lost22coast

"you must learn the unity of opposites. Be mobile and stationary. Be defensive and offensive. it is not about anger, it is about peace. it is not about power, it is about grace. it is not about knowing your enemy, it is about knowing yourself."

Monk: "you treat the air the same way, you step on is as you would a stone. You swim through it as you would a sea. And all you have to do is believe."

Kid: "believe what." "the laws of gravity don't exist."

Monk: " If you truely believe they don't exist, then they don't."


He's mostly full of shit. but rich manure can fetilize fields.


water which is too pure has no fish

why do hot dog's come in packages of 10 while hot dog buns come in backages of just 8

Tell me, Deep down inside, in the very bottom of your soul. Who would you rather be? The one about to be shoot or the one about to do the shooting?

KellyC

It all depends on the situation I'm in, what you're giving is really vague. I definitly don't want to get shot, that's for sure.

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Him: Ok, I have to ask, what do you believe?
Me: Shit happens.

CSflim

"you may feel welcome to demonstrate, at any time, that the law of gravity is a mere social construction from the window of my fourth storey apartment" - Martin Gardner, Did Adam and Eve have Navels?
(quoted from memory, so probably way off)

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lost22coast

ya, i don't want to get shoot either and would probably be the shooter. but if death is nothing but a door, then maybe being the peaceful monk might be better.
and besides your going to die sometime anyway. if you don't beilieve in another world why does it really matter if you die now or sometime later. your stilll dead. but if death is just a door then there are multiple things that could happen involving your decision to be the shooter or the one being shoot.



the problem with actually testing the whole gravity thing is that you have to truely believe 100 percent sure that you can fly or walk on air. Usually that involves a prior experience where it was successful and was learned. like learning to swim. a lot of people just thrown in the pool for the 1st time would drown. walking on air could involve part of the 80 percent of our unused brain. but once figured out and taught, flying or walking on air might be possible. maybe there are monks or super karate dudes who can do that stuff. but i guess everything is possible or questionable depending on your own reality.

sapiens

The idea that we only use 20% of our brain. I've heard this before. It is a serious misunderstanding of neuroscience.

Huh? I don't understand.

Excellent quote. Thanks.

CSflim

Arghh!!

http://www.snopes.com/science/stats/10percnt.htm

...sorry. Pet hate of mine.

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repeater

I'm glad to hear that the 10% myth is bullshit. I always knew it was, but never had any proof.

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CSflim

Easy!
Because you say to yourself one day, that you would really love a hot dog.

So you wander into your local supermarket and end up buying 10 hot dogs and 8 buns: you only really wanted one, but hey: you’re really hungry.
After a short period of eating hotdogs you have eaten eight of them and have two left over, but no buns! What to do! A dilly of a pickle, if ever there was one! Then it dawns on you! Another packet of buns.
Next day you realise that you have 6 bread buns, but nothing to put in them. Another conundrum. Soon you figure out a way around this impasse: another pack of hot dogs! Down to the local supermarket, and a few minutes later you are the proud owner of 10 shiny new hot dogs.
Six ketchup and mustard smothered snacks later, you run out of buns, with 4 hot dogs to go! This time it doesn't take you long to figure out the solution!
Another trip to the supermarket and four hot dogs later, you find yourself with a surplus of 4 buns.
Another pack of ten hot dogs. Another four delicious meals later. Another six left-over hot dogs.
To the supermarket! A pack of 8 bread rolls! Six tasty bread covered sausages! Two lonely bread rolls!
Back once more to the supermarket for another packet of hot dogs. Two quickly devoured hot dogs, and a remainder of eight naked frankfurters. One last pack of hot dogs rolls, and the job is complete.

So, next time you feel like having a hot dog, you must realise that you are getting yourself into a lot more than you bargained for. You are committing yourself to the eventual purchase of forty times what you had originally planned for! In short; it’s all a conspiracy to take your money and make you fat.

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ratbastid

Not true! Newborn babies swim like olympic champions. Throw 'em right in the pool and they instinctively hold their breath and start paddling. So what's the difference between a newborn and a drowning victim? The drowning victim knows he can't swim. The baby doesn't know he can't swim.

We have to LEARN that we can fail before failure is possible for us.

That's all for today, grasshopper.

CSflim

In that case, lets see a newborn baby taking up Martin Gardner's challenge.

After all if the baby doesn't know that the law of gravity requires him to be splattered against the pavement, surely that means he won't.

I know which outcome my money is on.

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ratbastid

It's said that highly enlightened Buddhist monks can, in fact, bodily defy gravity. Some of them are said to be able to be in two places at once.

Maybe more really is possible in this world than our reality-bound minds can conceive?

CSflim

"Ah! Hi there, Mr. Highly-Enlightened Buddhist Monk; that's right, Mr. Gardner's Appartment is down that street, next left...what's that? Yes that's right. Forth floor."

Best of all, this can apparently be done without him even having to leave the comfort of his own home.

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Poloboy

Having been a lifeguard for many years, I can tell you confidently that newborn babies cannot swim like olympians. Their heavy heads, poorly developed muscles, and lack of muscle coordination and proprioception result in the sinking like boulders if unattended.

orphen

yeah, it's nice to think "mind over matter". it really brings a feeling of empowerment to our own intellect. it goes along with the idea "if i think hard enough, anything is possible". I neither claim to the know the "truth" nor am i accusing you to be wrong. but you have to realize, often the buddist's ideal of mind over matter or belieef over matter is in the form of self conquering. it is more of a "mind over body" kind of thing. in another word, it's an existantial struggle with oneself. a buddist monk may not be able to fly, but he will never feel the urge to fly or that not being able to fly a limitation for within his intellect, he is satisfy with the condition of the mind not the body. thus it's not mind over matter in the literal sense but more of abandoning the material world for a world of the mind... at least this is what i think fundenmental of zen buddism is.. i can be way off too you decide it's your own mind, and your own world within your intellect

By the way:::: nice webpage

CoachAlan

Orphen, that's certainly the take I get from Vietnamese Buddhism (my preferred path). The Vietnamese tradition has virtually no supernatural aspect.

If you wanted to make a cloud disappear from the sky, the Vitenamese Buddhist would recommend that you simply remove it from your thoughts. The key here is that you need to have the awareness to realize that the cloud is simply removed from your thoughts, and didn't actually magically disappear.

I would say that is neither mind over matter or mind over body. It's mind over perception.

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orphen

you put it in better words than me. yes, i'm actually quite sure that is the underlining ideals of zen buddism::: in another word, buddism dealing with self. there is off course other types such as buddism dealing with spreading its religion to peoplle or buddist belief regarding politics with monks who fight physically not mentally. but from what i understand, buddism dealing with oneself is as CoachAlan put it mind over perception