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ARTelevision · 06-08-2004, 10:06 AM

Absolutely.
I figure as a part of the universe, I participate in all aspects of the universe.
I do mean "all" - whatever they may be.

That's good enough for me.
Perfect, actually.

tecoyah · 06-08-2004, 11:47 AM

I usually use the term "Gaia", as in the living world theory. I know....I can hear the granola/bran flake comments before you even say them. What can I say....I'm Pagan.

noahfor · 06-08-2004, 01:58 PM

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Originally posted by SecretMethod70
Actually, I agree. Truth is, just as we have all had experiences where, when we try to describe it to someone else, words escape us and all we can say is "you had to be there," the experience of what many refer to as God and the divine is like this. Language is inadequate in describing it in the first place, and the words which we have grown accustomed to using, such as God and divine, have a certain connotation and stigma different from what we are coming to experience God and the divine to be.

In other words, sometimes the greatest barrier to experiencing God to many people is the word "God" itself. It's something that, truthfully, language cannot project and the best way to share it with someone else is to be their experience of it in this life - through deep, profound, and caring relationships - and I don't just mean in the significant other sense. Hence the teaching that people will know you by the life you live, not by the words you say.

If you can't describe it in words then I'm assuming, and correct me if I'm wrong, that you understand your theory of God with feelings. If that is true, and I'm just going by assumption, how do you know to trust your feelings. What if you look at a hamburger and feel this incredible energy or spirit or mystical force. That doesn't mean it has energy; it just means you feel like it does. Feeling might seem to have meaning when they don't.

filtherton · 06-08-2004, 04:24 PM

I like the concept of the afterlife from "Stranger in a Strange Land". I don't know why, but i think it is appealing. Probably because it seems to imply that everything has a purpose and, such being the case, god makes no distinction between good and evil. Maybe i just misinterpreted it, it's been a while.

In any case, it is unprovable either way, and is a pointless debate. None of us could prove conclusively that rob lowe exists at this very moment, much less a diety.

06-09-2004, 01:17 PM

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Originally posted by noahfor
What is the point of calling energy God? Can't it just be energy?

God as a person is a solid explanation for how and why the universe and people exist. Saying that God is just the source of being doesn't really explain anything. Maybe the universe just is. Maybe everything that can exist does exist, and we are just in this one universe. I will never understand the nature of existance, so I don't know, but saying that God is some source of being just confuses the question. Also, I don't understand that chain you made. How does the source of being take form through motion? I mean why is something in motion the source of being taking a form? How do thoughts put things into motion? How does energy create thoughts?

Doing everything takes energy, that is the nature of doing. One can't build anything without matter. That doesn't mean matter is magic or God, or the saint of building, it's just the nature of building.

God is the well-known old age term. It's what's been known, conceived of, and taught for thousands of years. As humans have evolved over the centuries, especially those spiritual and even scientific, have discovered the power and infinite presence of Energy. Old and New don't mix with many. But as we continue on, humanity will become less able to deny that energy is everything and everywhere. But removing an old concept about a "higher being" called God (or Allah, etc.) will be merely impossible. The fact is that the new age concepts and scientific facts will only transcend into people's already-conceived beliefs.

noahfor · 06-09-2004, 01:22 PM

I don't think anyone is denying the fact that energy is everywhere, but that doesn't mean it is divine.

Also, can you explain that chain for me?

06-09-2004, 02:20 PM

well, who says we aren't divine ourselves?
when we hear the word God- people associate it with "divine being". And that we as humans, well, we think it's impossible for us to be divine. Only "God" is Divine...........
Well what if God is actually not a "divine being" per say, but energy? And if energy makes up every single thing in existance, we would be the same as energy- just manifested in different forms............so can we not say that ALL is DIVINE?

What chain are you referring to?

Nafter · 07-07-2004, 09:56 PM

Can we not also say all isnt divine, why the need to have a god, as Douglas Adams said

Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?

I dont believe there is a god. a god being a omnipotent being or force that controls or creates with free will.

sjsufer · 07-20-2004, 03:10 PM

hm... just a suggestion because god is such a hard topic to discuss and frankly i dont have the capacity to but if anybody is interested in actually reading something about this read mere christianity by cs lewis...its just a great book the guy is smart and right to the point...he doesnt shoove all that religious bullshit down your throat he takes a laid back think about it yourself kinda view..but i high recommend it for reading.

06-08-2004, 10:06 AM	#41 (permalink)
ARTelevision I change Location: USA	Absolutely. I figure as a part of the universe, I participate in all aspects of the universe. I do mean "all" - whatever they may be. That's good enough for me. Perfect, actually. __________________ create evolution

06-08-2004, 11:47 AM	#42 (permalink)
tecoyah Illusionary	I usually use the term "Gaia", as in the living world theory. I know....I can hear the granola/bran flake comments before you even say them. What can I say....I'm Pagan. __________________ Holding onto anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned. - Buddha

06-09-2004, 01:22 PM	#46 (permalink)
noahfor Addict	I don't think anyone is denying the fact that energy is everywhere, but that doesn't mean it is divine. Also, can you explain that chain for me? Last edited by noahfor; 06-09-2004 at 01:25 PM..

07-07-2004, 09:56 PM	#48 (permalink)
Nafter Insane Location: The Eng	Can we not also say all isnt divine, why the need to have a god, as Douglas Adams said Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too? I dont believe there is a god. a god being a omnipotent being or force that controls or creates with free will. __________________ I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain."

06-08-2004, 04:24 PM	#44 (permalink)
filtherton Junkie Location: In the land of ice and snow.	I like the concept of the afterlife from "Stranger in a Strange Land". I don't know why, but i think it is appealing. Probably because it seems to imply that everything has a purpose and, such being the case, god makes no distinction between good and evil. Maybe i just misinterpreted it, it's been a while. In any case, it is unprovable either way, and is a pointless debate. None of us could prove conclusively that rob lowe exists at this very moment, much less a diety.

06-09-2004, 02:20 PM	#47 (permalink)
:::OshnSoul::: Guest	well, who says we aren't divine ourselves? when we hear the word God- people associate it with "divine being". And that we as humans, well, we think it's impossible for us to be divine. Only "God" is Divine........... Well what if God is actually not a "divine being" per say, but energy? And if energy makes up every single thing in existance, we would be the same as energy- just manifested in different forms............so can we not say that ALL is DIVINE? What chain are you referring to?

07-20-2004, 03:10 PM	#49 (permalink)
sjsufer Upright Location: jersey	hm... just a suggestion because god is such a hard topic to discuss and frankly i dont have the capacity to but if anybody is interested in actually reading something about this read mere christianity by cs lewis...its just a great book the guy is smart and right to the point...he doesnt shoove all that religious bullshit down your throat he takes a laid back think about it yourself kinda view..but i high recommend it for reading.