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that nietzsche quote is always taken a bit out of context.
he never stated that God existed and now he's dead, it was a general statement about the (forseen) death of organized religion which will usher in the new age of morality (overman). |
That's true and it's not; it's true that it's usually taken out of context as you say, but what Nietzsche meant was that the concept 'God' was no longer relevant to society, and that society didn't realize it yet. If you'll excuse a lengthy quote (I really like this passage). (Bugger, it's in German. Translation is mine, quote is at vol. 3, pp 480-2 of the Kritische Studienausgabe).
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Thanks for the translation.
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RedBeard, thanks, can you provide me with a nutshell explanation of 'slippage'? |
I think that the misconception here is that nihlism is a permanent philosophy. It's not, it's a temporary condition, a passing phase. If you reject authority, and their belief systems, and architecture, and social customs, etc...because you see there is no worth to those things, is that wrong? However, once you've rejected and destroyed everything, you have to choose either to destroy yourself, or to create something. That tearing down is a precursor to building anew.
As some people have suggested, nihlism is the adolescant's philosophy, seeing the holes and the errors and the flaws in established things, and wanting to tear them down, and anything that's been built up on the back of them. As the article that Jynx linked to said, Nietzsche was worried about there being a growing trend for these kind of tendencies in the world's societies - and He may be right, perhaps it is time for our civilisation to go through its own adolescance - tearing down the things its built itself on to either find nothing, or some nub of truth on which to build itself afresh. Isn't that the same process as growing up? As kids we reject our family's ideals, we rebel, we think it's all so much bs, but, if we don't end up killing ourselves in the process, we do, after time, get an appreciation of the truth behind those ideals. And so the cycle continues. I think nihlism (adolescance) is a valid (if transitory) philosophy in that it helps weed-out weaker ideas, or those that really do have no merit, leaving behind the fitter survivors that really do have grains of truth buried within them. |
[QUOTE=Yakk]You can value nothing, believe nothing, and be happy. You just have to believe dispair is nothing. =)
[QUOTE] and Hence the conundrum. If you believe that dispair is nothing, then you are basing a dicision on a belief - the beliefe that dispair is nothing, and therefore this in not a true nihilist notion. For that to work, you have to beleive that there is nothing that you could believe that would cause your to dispair and so dispair does not exist because nothing can cause it to exist. Nihilism - the beleif system that makes you play seamntics without the fun of believing that you've actually accomplished the mental gymnastics that you actually did perform. My belief system? I believe that nihilism is nothing. Ouch. Pierre |
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