Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community  

Go Back   Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community > The Academy > Tilted Philosophy


 
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 05-11-2004, 11:16 PM   #1 (permalink)
At The Globe Showing Will How Its Done
 
MahlerIsGod's Avatar
 
Location: London/Elysium
Vacuum's and Aristotle

I have always heard the maxim, the Aristotelian maxim, that "nature abhors a vacuum." My question is: Why? What are the Aristotelian argurments against a vacuum and does someone know where in his writings I can find his objections? Thanks for any help, ideas, suggestions, etc.
__________________
"But a work of art is a conscious human effort that has to do with communication. It is that or its nothing. When an accident is applauded as a work of art, when a cult grows up around the deliciousness of inadvertent beauty, we are in the presence of the greatest decadence the West has known in its history."
MahlerIsGod is offline  
Old 05-12-2004, 07:32 AM   #2 (permalink)
Mad Philosopher
 
asaris's Avatar
 
Location: Washington, DC
I suspect that it's from observation; that, when there is a vacuum, nature rushes to fill it. As to where, I don't know for sure, but I would guess somewhere in the Physics.
__________________
"Die Deutschen meinen, daß die Kraft sich in Härte und Grausamkeit offenbaren müsse, sie unterwerfen sich dann gerne und mit Bewunderung:[...]. Daß es Kraft giebt in der Milde und Stille, das glauben sie nicht leicht."

"The Germans believe that power must reveal itself in hardness and cruelty and then submit themselves gladly and with admiration[...]. They do not believe readily that there is power in meekness and calm."

-- Friedrich Nietzsche
asaris is offline  
Old 05-12-2004, 04:29 PM   #3 (permalink)
Huzzah for Welcome Week, Much beer shall I imbibe.
 
Location: UCSB
Re: Vacuum's and Aristotle

Quote:
Originally posted by MahlerIsGod
I have always heard the maxim, the Aristotelian maxim, that "nature abhors a vacuum." My question is: Why? What are the Aristotelian argurments against a vacuum and does someone know where in his writings I can find his objections? Thanks for any help, ideas, suggestions, etc.
I have seen that phrase applied to political events with the phrase "power vaccum". The idea that if a country doesn't have leadership it will quickly find it in some form. This idea links into the reason with revolutions commonly have a military dictator as a result.
__________________
I'm leaving for the University of California: Santa Barbara in 5 hours, give me your best college advice - things I need, good ideas, bad ideas, nooky, ect.

Originally Posted by Norseman on another forum:
"Yeah, the problem with the world is the stupid people are all cocksure of themselves and the intellectuals are full of doubt."
nanofever is offline  
Old 05-13-2004, 08:52 AM   #4 (permalink)
MSD
The sky calls to us ...
 
MSD's Avatar
 
Super Moderator
Location: CT
In a true vacuum, no matter or energy exists, and to progress toward a vacuum is to progress toward a zero-entropy state.
MSD is offline  
Old 05-13-2004, 09:08 AM   #5 (permalink)
<Insert wise statement here>
 
MageB420666's Avatar
 
Location: Hell if I know
he was probably making a statement about politics, if there is seat of power open people will rush in to take it.
It is also observable in nature, If you clear a plot of land(and don't cover it in salt or some type of poison) then it won't be long before plants and whatnot are growing over it again.
The same idea that nature abhors a vacuum can be applied to space also. Space is not really empty, it is filled with dust, planets, stars, nubula, etc., and it's also filled with radiation and heat,(Yes space does contain minute amounts of heat). So MrSelfDestructs point is valid and supports this argument.
I can think of nowhere above the subatomic level that has a true vacuum.
__________________
Apathy: The best outlook this side of I don't give a damn.
MageB420666 is offline  
Old 05-13-2004, 09:12 AM   #6 (permalink)
Getting it.
 
Charlatan's Avatar
 
Super Moderator
Location: Lion City
I just want to know when Aristotle is coming over to do the vacuuming...
__________________
"My hands are on fire. Hands are on fire. Ain't got no more time for all you charlatans and liars."
- Old Man Luedecke
Charlatan is offline  
Old 05-13-2004, 09:57 AM   #7 (permalink)
Devoted
 
Redlemon's Avatar
 
Donor
Location: New England
Einstein's relatives, when they have the time, are coming to vacuum my place.
__________________
I can't read your signature. Sorry.
Redlemon is offline  
Old 05-13-2004, 01:28 PM   #8 (permalink)
Mad Philosopher
 
asaris's Avatar
 
Location: Washington, DC
Found it! It's in Book IV of his Physics. The main argument is in paragraph 8, 214b13-217b28. Looking over it quickly, his argument seems to be that if there were a void, an object falling in it would have an infinite velocity. This is impossible, therefore, there is no void. As far as I can tell, he never actually says "Nature abhors a vacuum," but that might be somewhere else.
__________________
"Die Deutschen meinen, daß die Kraft sich in Härte und Grausamkeit offenbaren müsse, sie unterwerfen sich dann gerne und mit Bewunderung:[...]. Daß es Kraft giebt in der Milde und Stille, das glauben sie nicht leicht."

"The Germans believe that power must reveal itself in hardness and cruelty and then submit themselves gladly and with admiration[...]. They do not believe readily that there is power in meekness and calm."

-- Friedrich Nietzsche
asaris is offline  
 

Tags
aristotle, vacuum


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 07:44 PM.

Tilted Forum Project

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0 PL2
© 2002-2012 Tilted Forum Project

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 140 141 142 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 150 151 152 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 161 162 163 164 165 166 167 168 169 170 171 172 173 174 175 176 177 178 179 180 181 182 183 184 185 186 187 188 189 190 191 192 193 194 195 196 197 198 199 200 201 202 203 204 205 206 207 208 209 210 211 212 213 214 215 216 217 218 219 220 221 222 223 224 225 226 227 228 229 230 231 232 233 234 235 236 237 238 239 240 241 242 243 244 245 246 247 248 249 250 251 252 253 254 255 256 257 258 259 260 261 262 263 264 265 266 267 268 269 270 271 272 273 274 275 276 277 278 279 280 281 282 283 284 285 286 287 288 289 290 291 292 293 294 295 296 297 298 299 300 301 302 303 304 305 306 307 308 309 310 311 312 313 314 315 316 317 318 319 320 321 322 323 324 325 326 327 328 329 330 331 332 333 334 335 336 337 338 339 340 341 342 343 344 345 346 347 348 349 350 351 352 353 354 355 356 357 358 359 360