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Yakk · 06-06-2005, 09:37 AM

However, MU does simplify the concepts.

From Feynman "sum over all paths" -- want to find out the chance an electrion will hit your bullseye? Sum the electron's chance to hit the bullseye over all possible paths it could take from the source to the destination. In other words, 'pretend' that the electron took all paths. Or, being able to grasp intuitively where quantum computation gets it's computation (via communication through non-orthoginal quantum duplicates of the quantum computer), to avoiding a quantum-mechanical "non-information information faster-than-light subway" (by removing the need), to explaining what appears to be "quantum wave collapse".

There seems to be a blatant requirement:

Either you remove locality, and allow for a "quantum non-information information subway" that transmits just the right amount of non-information to keep the universe in sync at faster than light speeds in a non-causal manner (bye bye causality!), or you go with M-U.

Take two photons. Arrange it so they are entangled, say with polarization -- they are 90 degrees to each other, but their polarization is not determined and has not collapsed..

Seperate the two photons without observing them by 1 billion light years.

Examine each photon "at the same time". The two photons will be 90 degrees to each other.

The problem is, there is no order that makes any sense to which photon you examined first. The pair of events (the photons collapsing into one orientation or another) are not causally conntected, but the 'non-information information' that keeps then at 90 degrees to each other was somehow communicated.

So now you have time travelling packets of information that magically never make real information (to avoid contradiction) keeping the universe consistent.

Or, multiple universes. When you looked at one photon, you locally rotated yourself. You cannot see the universes in which the other photon is inconsistent, not because they don't exist, but because you are orthogonal to them and they cast little to no shadow on your reality.

MU gives us locallity of effect, explains what "quantum wave collapse" is, and changes the laws of QM from arbitrary things to a structure that comes from a whole.

Now, I'm not convinved MU is real. But it has alot of advantages over competing theories.

cellophanedeity · 06-06-2005, 11:38 AM

Ack. I was assigned to write a report on a book that dealt with this sort of thing in the physics class I foolishly took for my science distribution credit.

I got 70% for good writing and trying hard.

Needless to say, I have no idea of what any of this means or actually implies, and it hurts to think about it beyond the "simplified" explainations.

aa1037 · 06-07-2005, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Stompy

I actually discovered this theory on my own... thought it up for myself before I ever knew it was an actual theory. I find that quite strange.

Not that I actually believe in it to the point where I'm convinced, but the thought crosses my mind ALL the time. Like when I get a headache, I'll think, "In some other dimension, I died from an aneurysm just then."

Stompy, the same exact thing happened to me. I thought it up and thought it was some new idea, then I randomly found it on Wikipedia

Johnny Pyro · 07-07-2005, 05:48 AM

Uhmmmm.... Is this Tilted Entertainment? I think I'm lost. Quantum Leap was a cool show. Uhmmmmm..........?

Stompy · 07-07-2005, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by aa1037

Stompy, the same exact thing happened to me. I thought it up and thought it was some new idea, then I randomly found it on Wikipedia

Yeah! That's exactly where I saw it, too

And I believe in this theory more and more... especially after my throat incident.

I made posts on it in the past about my tonsils getting removed, but long story short, something happened during the healing and my throat was gushing blood.

Rushed to the ER, I lost a TON of blood. Right before I went unconscious, I was puking up blood and it was incredibly hard to breathe. Next thing I know, I'm waking up after the operation was over.

So I'm convinced I did die and ... what I'm experiencing now is just a split or continuation of my own observation of my life.

With as much blood as I lost, I find it hard to believe I just walked outta that the very next day..

Another time recently.. got very drunk and just randomly went unconscious. According to my friends that were there, I stopped breathing for 2 mins.. then just woke up like nothing happend.

Another time where I possibly died? Could be.

This theory drives me nuts and I'm reminded about it every day... especially now that there are tons of articles explaining how in 30-40 years, nanotechnology, as well as the advances in medicine and science, will possibly allow us to cheat death... aka actually become immortal.

That's the key for this theory to work: eventually you will need to be presented with some type of catalyst for immortality. Otherwise.. what, you're just gonna be the oldest living person on the planet and generation after generation will sit there in awe with no explanation whatsoever as to why you can't die.

Merlocke · 07-07-2005, 06:54 PM

Even if it were true, and you couldn't die, how long would you really want to "live"? If even after the million coin tosses, eventually all cells will slowly age and degrade... Of course naturally there's the possibility that it never happens - but after going through that many generations as the "old" guy that just won't kick the bucket, I'd probably go insane.

/wishes I paid more attention in physics.

06-06-2005, 09:37 AM	#41 (permalink)
Yakk Wehret Den Anfängen! Location: Ontario, Canada	However, MU does simplify the concepts. From Feynman "sum over all paths" -- want to find out the chance an electrion will hit your bullseye? Sum the electron's chance to hit the bullseye over all possible paths it could take from the source to the destination. In other words, 'pretend' that the electron took all paths. Or, being able to grasp intuitively where quantum computation gets it's computation (via communication through non-orthoginal quantum duplicates of the quantum computer), to avoiding a quantum-mechanical "non-information information faster-than-light subway" (by removing the need), to explaining what appears to be "quantum wave collapse". There seems to be a blatant requirement: Either you remove locality, and allow for a "quantum non-information information subway" that transmits just the right amount of non-information to keep the universe in sync at faster than light speeds in a non-causal manner (bye bye causality!), or you go with M-U. Take two photons. Arrange it so they are entangled, say with polarization -- they are 90 degrees to each other, but their polarization is not determined and has not collapsed.. Seperate the two photons without observing them by 1 billion light years. Examine each photon "at the same time". The two photons will be 90 degrees to each other. The problem is, there is no order that makes any sense to which photon you examined first. The pair of events (the photons collapsing into one orientation or another) are not causally conntected, but the 'non-information information' that keeps then at 90 degrees to each other was somehow communicated. So now you have time travelling packets of information that magically never make real information (to avoid contradiction) keeping the universe consistent. Or, multiple universes. When you looked at one photon, you locally rotated yourself. You cannot see the universes in which the other photon is inconsistent, not because they don't exist, but because you are orthogonal to them and they cast little to no shadow on your reality. MU gives us locallity of effect, explains what "quantum wave collapse" is, and changes the laws of QM from arbitrary things to a structure that comes from a whole. Now, I'm not convinved MU is real. But it has alot of advantages over competing theories. __________________ Last edited by JHVH : 10-29-4004 BC at 09:00 PM. Reason: Time for a rest.

07-07-2005, 05:48 AM	#44 (permalink)
Johnny Pyro Hey Now! Location: Massachusetts (Redneck, white boy town. I hate it here.)	Uhmmmm.... Is this Tilted Entertainment? I think I'm lost. Quantum Leap was a cool show. Uhmmmmm..........? __________________ "From delusion lead me to truth, from darkness lead me to light, from death lead me to eternal life. - Sheriff John Wydell

07-07-2005, 06:54 PM	#46 (permalink)
Merlocke Location: Canada	Even if it were true, and you couldn't die, how long would you really want to "live"? If even after the million coin tosses, eventually all cells will slowly age and degrade... Of course naturally there's the possibility that it never happens - but after going through that many generations as the "old" guy that just won't kick the bucket, I'd probably go insane. /wishes I paid more attention in physics. __________________ -=[ Merlocke ]=-

06-06-2005, 11:38 AM	#42 (permalink)
cellophanedeity Heliotrope Location: A warm room	Ack. I was assigned to write a report on a book that dealt with this sort of thing in the physics class I foolishly took for my science distribution credit. I got 70% for good writing and trying hard. Needless to say, I have no idea of what any of this means or actually implies, and it hurts to think about it beyond the "simplified" explainations.