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rsl12 · 12-10-2003, 01:52 AM

I will now prove to you that the God of my religion exists. In my religion:

* God has omnipotent powers
* God is omniscient
* God has a penis and is therefore male
* God does not use his omnipotency or omnisciency in any obvious way, but he still uses it in ways that are *subtle* and beyond observation. It is impossible to detect a miracle because god, being omnipontent, can make a miracle happen without making the majority of the people believe that it is anything other than coincidence. He makes miracles in this non-obvious way because he wants to. Why he wants to is a mystery--since we are not omniscient, there's no way for us to know. But still, he was there to make sure that most of the american soldiers in afghanistan came back home safe, he was there to make sure that the hutus didn't slaughter all of the tutsis in rwanda. Without god's intervention, we might have all died in a nuclear holocaust 30 years ago, so we should be grateful for his intervention.
* God is omniscient--if he wanted to, he could sit down at a poker table and clean everyone out. But the fact remains that he has no desire to do such thing. He's listens to prayers and help you lead a happy life. However, the way he guides your life is *subtle*, so that it would be hard to prove his thumbprint on any particular event in your life. He does this because he wants to do it this way. Why he wants to is a mystery.
* When you experience joy, it is because God wants you to be happy. When you experience trouble, it's because God wants you to learn. Everything on earth that you experience has a purpose determined by God, it's obvious. When you are bored, it's because God wants you to be bored.
* Here's the subtle point about my religion--it turns out that God is ME. It's me with the omnipotent powers, with the omniscient mind. When you are happy, it's because I want you to be happy. When you are sad, it's because I want you to learn from sorrow. When I make spelling mistakes, it's because my work is subtle, and I don't want the majority of people thinking that my rantings are anything more than the thousands of madmen typing away on the internet. Why I want to be subtle is, unfortunately, a secret that I cannot give away right now. However, I do have a penis, and if you like, I will show it to you. I am omnipotent, but I want to work in subtle ways, so I cannot demonstrate any of my powers, nor my omniscience. I will eventually die or be killed, but don't think it's any more than an illusion--another one of my subtleties. Everything that has happened on this earth and will happen on this earth is part of a grand design I have. I urge you to look around and notice how much purpose I have infused into everything around you. Just look and you will see it is obvious that I have done so much for you.

Yes, I am God, and I exist. Therefore, God exists. Please prove me wrong.

EDIT: AS EXPLAINED BELOW, my POINT is that, given the generally accepted traits of god today (omnipotent, omniscient, subtle, beyond grasp), it is very very difficult to come up with any method to prove/disprove existence, and that anyone can claim to be god using the current conventional definition of god. Even though a few centuries ago God was parting seas and turning bodies of water into rivers of blood, these days he's acting on a much more subtler scale. the definition of god today has gotten to the point where it's essentially useless.

SECOND EDIT: Check out KnifeMissile's response (1st one on page 2). He sums it up much better than I did.

Nefir · 12-10-2003, 07:09 AM

That is an interesting perspective, and I personally believe that the concept of God is something each one of us must harvest inside ourselves, on our own, and in our own ways. However, your proof is simply not definitive. It does not prove that God, as the popular concept, exists, not even close.

You make the following assumption which you (and anyone else, for that matter) are unable to prove: that you are indeed omniscient and omnipotent. You say it, but unless you can back it up with definitive proof, the rest of that does not contribute anything to strengthening your argument.

Humans' perspective is extremely limited, and they can be easily deceived by things like brain chemistry, mental capacity, and other factors, that is why it is impossible for ANYONE to prove or disprove the existance of God.

Nice try though!

sixate · 12-10-2003, 01:09 PM

You couldn't demostrate any powers to save your life. You cannot clean up at a poker table. Hell, you couldn't even tell me was gonna win at the table. You are not all knowing so it kinda kills your theory of being god.

Mantus · 12-10-2003, 01:12 PM

You have to prove that your axioms are valid and true.

In this case your axioms are:
God is me.
God is omniscient.
God is omnipotent.
God has a penis.

The penis argument is not valid. As you are the one with the penis and god would not have one unless he was you, but you did not prove this yet. If you define god as a being which is omniscient and omnipotent then your arguemnt would be like this:

I have a penis.
God is omniscient and omnipotent
I am omniscient and omnipotent therefore i am god with a penis.

So if god has omniscience and omnipotence then you would have to demonstrate one of those powers in order to become god. You say that you cannot demonstrate such powers therefore you cannot prove that you are god.

You could be god, yet as long as no proof of your powers exists the idea remains hypothetical. So you are putting the carriage before the horse, it is not for us to disprove you are god, it is for you to prove that you are god.

rsl12 · 12-10-2003, 01:33 PM

au contraire--who is to say that the null hypothesis has to be that I am not god? why isn't it equally reasonable to make the null hypothesis that I am god?

sixate: i am all-knowing, i am all-powerful, i just choose not to be a show-off. that's called modesty and it's a very godly trait.

anyways, my point is: the way that God is defined these days (omnipotente, omniscient, subtle, beyond grasp), it is very very difficult to come up with any method to prove/disprove existence, and that anyone can claim to be god using the current conventional definition of god.

The question of WHY the definition of God has evolved in such a way as to make such a proof continually elusive, I leave to cynics and skeptics.

also: i think the penis argument is quite valid. i will get my digital camera out to prove it next time. god is male.

rsl12 · 12-10-2003, 01:38 PM

Footnote: I would like to point out that, the "subtle" and "beyond grasp" traits of god are a fairly recent occurence--old testament god was angry and showed off his stuff all the time. Buddha and New testament jesus performed miracles, though on a less spectacular scale. Muhommad and Joseph Smith did little more than have visions. Bahaullah and the Bab also did little more than a little divining of the future, and this divining was quite subtle. As time marches on, god becomes less concrete and more abstract and untouchable, and therefore less prone to arguments attacking his existence.

rsl12 · 12-10-2003, 01:47 PM

I would also note that the "sublte" and "beyond grasp" traits of God are not universally accepted today. there are people who believe that jesus shows his force in the blood that drips from statues in guatemala, in the visions of modern prophets, and in patriotic support to religiously correct countries. If you believe in this type of God, I salute you and please ignore this stoopid thought experiment.

Mantus · 12-10-2003, 03:41 PM

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Originally posted by rsl12
anyways, my point is: the way that God is defined these days (omnipotente, omniscient, subtle, beyond grasp), it is very very difficult to come up with any method to prove/disprove existence, and that anyone can claim to be god using the current conventional definition of god.

The question of WHY the definition of God has evolved in such a way as to make such a proof continually elusive, I leave to cynics and skeptics.

also: i think the penis argument is quite valid. i will get my digital camera out to prove it next time. god is male.

I am sorry, I did not understand what you were trying to say in your original post. You are correct, any concept is possible but not all are probable.

sixate · 12-10-2003, 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by rsl12
sixate: i am all-knowing, i am all-powerful, i just choose not to be a show-off. that's called modesty and it's a very godly trait

I was gonna respond, but I'm sure you know what I was gonna say anyway. So why would I waste my time....

macro · 12-14-2003, 11:55 PM

If I have all of those traits (and yes I do have a penis) am I God too?

rsl12 · 12-15-2003, 05:54 AM

no macro, you are not, because i am already god, and there is only one.

thingstodo · 12-15-2003, 11:33 AM

Wait a minute.... who says there is only one God? Greek mythology had many Gods, some even with penises - and some without.

What say you?

SiphonX · 12-15-2003, 12:46 PM

k, it's quite simple the way i see, Energy = God, always been there, is here, always will be here. neither created nor can be destroyed, and is in everything. E=God.

rsl12 · 12-15-2003, 01:47 PM

I am god, and being omnipotent, i happen to know that there is only one god. and that god is me, so clearly you can't also be god. you can be my lackey if you like, however.

rsl12 · 12-15-2003, 01:52 PM

SiphonX: if energy = god, then what's your definition of god? it seems like you think he's an omnipresent being that pervades the entire universe. I would like to know if you think god is omnipotent? omniscient? the creator of the universe? a sentinent being? if the answer to these questions is no, then saying energy = god is as useful as saying that your lover is the ultraviolet radiation from the sun, and that your lover is one mean sunovabitch to most people.

SiphonX · 12-15-2003, 05:46 PM

you would need to subscribe to my newsletter rsl to find out all these answers and more! but all joking aside, my lover wouldn't fit the characteristics of ultraviolet radiation =/ but god fits all the main characteristics of e. you can't define what you don't understand, so i can't really label a certain job to god, such as, creator of the universe, we can only make allusions to things we already understand. thinking about this stuff is really a waste of time, we'll never find out in our lifetime, so just kick back and shoot the shit.

papermachesatan · 12-26-2003, 11:46 PM

hmm.. can omniscence and omnipotence exist at the same time?

EDIT: my more eloquently stated reply to a similiar thread has been cut'n'pasted in substitution to the orginial reply.

Omniscence would suggest that the future is pre-determined. If the future is pre-determined, then God cannot change it and is consequently not ominpotent.

Omnipotence would suggest that the future is not set in stone because God can modify it at will. If the future is changeable, then it cannot be known uphead of time meaning that God is not omniscent.

rogue49 · 12-27-2003, 06:52 AM

Your only problem with your arguement is this...

I am God

Sorry to tell you this.
And no need to prove it, I have faith in myself.

Rodney · 12-27-2003, 11:45 AM

Wait, you have to prove that you exist before we make any conclusions about what you are. How do we know you exist at all, whether as deity _or_ as pimple-backed geek?

12-29-2003, 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SiphonX
k, it's quite simple the way i see, Energy = God, always been there, is here, always will be here. neither created nor can be destroyed, and is in everything. E=God.

bermuDa · 12-30-2003, 03:27 AM

looks like trolling to me....

you purport to prove the existence of god by claiming the title yourself?

MSD · 12-30-2003, 08:05 AM

I think this is going to take a trip to the nonsense board very soon ...

GakFace · 12-30-2003, 08:17 AM

Rogue, you kick ass with that statement!

Hmm... I have a penis, and I always know what I'm doing and what I'm thinking... so I still by technicality fit the category to be God. You say you're god RSL, BUT... I knew what I was doing before you did.. and by that, I was God first, so you cannot be God but merely thinking you were. Personally though, if there were anyone of these boards to be a God, I'd put my vote in for Art. He can make fun of you, and you will reply "thanks!"... heh. He can also help you out with one simple statement. Nothing huge, just a subtle comment which can speak many words.

Also, the Null Hypothesis is that you are not God. Why? Because its more likely. We don't need to prove you are not God.. because by every other God... you don't fit the description. As you have seen, others have taken what you said and turned themselves into God, myself included. You could even prove that we're not god, but that still doesn't prove that you are. So it would be harder to prove that you are God than to prove that we are not. Also... You say there is but ONE god. if this is so, then the probability of someone on this earth being god, its one in what.. a few billion? Then assuming there is a heaven and a hell, you had many more billion, then assuming there is life outside of this planet you add even more Billons of life forms who could hold the title of God. so 1:10000000000000000000000000 ratio? Yeah you NOT being God would be the Null Hypothesis. The Alternative Hypothesis is that you would be God. So, Prove that you are of the other population, that you are God. Until then, we'll just make a mockery of your rules only to point out others that fit your category. Oh, and anyone that is older than you and fhe category automatically eliminates your chances to be God, because they were there before you....

We want proof, not just reasons. We lived through the 90's and that is what is expected nowadays. Definative proof not ideas. I could right now say i'm a super hero. I can fly, but I won't because I didn't bring my costume with me. I can melt people into piles of puke, but I won't because its not subtle and would give me away to the public at large. Does this prove I'm a superhero? Most certainly not! Prove the Alternative Hypothesis here.

BTW, you go saying there is only ONE God, but not every religion has had ONE and ONLY ONE God. Further more, not every belief has a MAN for the sole god. In fact in many religions where there is ONE God, it does not state male or female. You say god is male and has a penis.. I have yet to EVER read that. For your first assignment to prove to me that you have the possibility of being God, show me in a written document where God is a Male and that God has a Penis. I want both statements, as you stated both. Sure to be male he should have a Penis, but you made a point to say BOTH things.. thus I want proof of BOTH. I wait for your reply.

seretogis · 12-30-2003, 09:13 AM

I think that all of you need to prove that you have penises.

*points to other forums*

tiberry · 01-11-2004, 05:35 AM

Are you also omnipresent? Everywhere and everything?

I'll suppose that you are, so that means you're me. And if you're god, and you're me - then I'm god too.

Prove ME wrong!

tecoyah · 01-11-2004, 02:15 PM

rsl12,
"7"

I am sure you know what that means.

rsl12 · 01-12-2004, 05:13 AM

i do actually. thanks for believing.

European Son · 01-24-2004, 07:29 AM

Why do you need proof of Gods existance? The essence of faith is to manage to believe without proof (I can't).

Jizzosh · 01-24-2004, 05:33 PM

It always bothers me that all the Philosophical proofs for God begin from unfounded grounds.

i.e. God has omnipotent powers.

i.e. God is a being with all perfections.

i.e. God is the first efficient cause.

It always starts from shaky ground, how can anyone expect it to stand on it's own?

cj2112 · 01-24-2004, 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SiphonX
k, it's quite simple the way i see, Energy = God, always been there, is here, always will be here. neither created nor can be destroyed, and is in everything. E=God.

so does that meanthat God=MC² ?

89transam · 01-28-2004, 07:23 PM

Your conclusion that you are god is Valid (based on that if your premises are true your conclusion follows), but your statement is unsound because you in fact do not have omnipotent powers and you are not omniscient.

If we follow your logic we can prove anything.

Anything that can fly is a bird
Dogs can fly
therefore

Dogs are birds

Same structure as your argument. If you assume my rediclious premises to be true the conclusion follows. But, Like yours the premises are not true and we cannot make a real conclusion based on these false premises.

Ogre840 · 01-28-2004, 11:48 PM

Nothing to see here move on.

There is no god, religion is a tool to control the masses.

Also god is just an idea to help you deal with death. When your dead, your perspective on 'life' is over.

Go out, live YOUR life and be happy, cause once its over, its over.

rsl12 · 02-12-2004, 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 89transam
Your conclusion that you are god is Valid (based on that if your premises are true your conclusion follows), but your statement is unsound because you in fact do not have omnipotent powers and you are not omniscient.

prove it.

Halx · 02-12-2004, 05:10 PM

this is all moot because

a) it's silly
b) there is no *reason* to argue
c) whatever you may be, at the end of the day, I don't think you can affect my life in the slightest

rsl12 · 02-13-2004, 06:40 AM

halx, you're wrong. i can affect your life in any way i please. i got you to respond to this thread, didn't i?

the extent to which i want to affect your life is a question up for debate...

ps. i put a postscript on my original post. seems like people think i'm trolling and i wanted to explain that i'm not.

titsmurf · 02-13-2004, 04:56 PM

I can prove that you're not God.

- From this thread's topic, it's clear that your intention was to prove that you are God, and that you exist
- You have failed to convince me that you're God. Hence, you've failed your mission.
- This proves that you're not God, as god is perfect and would have succeeded.

hannukah harry · 02-13-2004, 06:22 PM

^^^ maybe god doesn't want YOU to believe. after all, without some dissent, life would be much less entertaining!

rsl12 · 02-13-2004, 10:13 PM

thank you harry. some people get it, some people don't.

Halx · 02-13-2004, 11:45 PM

ok.. thank you for pointing out the absurdity of arguing with a religious person about God. We all knew it was there, we just couldn't see it until you made a thread about it.

DownwardSpiral · 02-14-2004, 11:36 AM

I seriously hope you don't really think you're God. You're most likely doing this to piss the Christians off. I mean seriously, you aren't perfect, you aren't all knowing, yaya etc, how can you be God?

12-10-2003, 01:52 AM	#1 (permalink)
rsl12 On the lam Location: northern va	Proof that god exists, continued I will now prove to you that the God of my religion exists. In my religion: * God has omnipotent powers * God is omniscient * God has a penis and is therefore male * God does not use his omnipotency or omnisciency in any obvious way, but he still uses it in ways that are subtle and beyond observation. It is impossible to detect a miracle because god, being omnipontent, can make a miracle happen without making the majority of the people believe that it is anything other than coincidence. He makes miracles in this non-obvious way because he wants to. Why he wants to is a mystery--since we are not omniscient, there's no way for us to know. But still, he was there to make sure that most of the american soldiers in afghanistan came back home safe, he was there to make sure that the hutus didn't slaughter all of the tutsis in rwanda. Without god's intervention, we might have all died in a nuclear holocaust 30 years ago, so we should be grateful for his intervention. * God is omniscient--if he wanted to, he could sit down at a poker table and clean everyone out. But the fact remains that he has no desire to do such thing. He's listens to prayers and help you lead a happy life. However, the way he guides your life is subtle, so that it would be hard to prove his thumbprint on any particular event in your life. He does this because he wants to do it this way. Why he wants to is a mystery. * When you experience joy, it is because God wants you to be happy. When you experience trouble, it's because God wants you to learn. Everything on earth that you experience has a purpose determined by God, it's obvious. When you are bored, it's because God wants you to be bored. * Here's the subtle point about my religion--it turns out that God is ME. It's me with the omnipotent powers, with the omniscient mind. When you are happy, it's because I want you to be happy. When you are sad, it's because I want you to learn from sorrow. When I make spelling mistakes, it's because my work is subtle, and I don't want the majority of people thinking that my rantings are anything more than the thousands of madmen typing away on the internet. Why I want to be subtle is, unfortunately, a secret that I cannot give away right now. However, I do have a penis, and if you like, I will show it to you. I am omnipotent, but I want to work in subtle ways, so I cannot demonstrate any of my powers, nor my omniscience. I will eventually die or be killed, but don't think it's any more than an illusion--another one of my subtleties. Everything that has happened on this earth and will happen on this earth is part of a grand design I have. I urge you to look around and notice how much purpose I have infused into everything around you. Just look and you will see it is obvious that I have done so much for you. Yes, I am God, and I exist. Therefore, God exists. Please prove me wrong. EDIT: AS EXPLAINED BELOW, my POINT is that, given the generally accepted traits of god today (omnipotent, omniscient, subtle, beyond grasp), it is very very difficult to come up with any method to prove/disprove existence, and that anyone can claim to be god using the current conventional definition of god. Even though a few centuries ago God was parting seas and turning bodies of water into rivers of blood, these days he's acting on a much more subtler scale. the definition of god today has gotten to the point where it's essentially useless. SECOND EDIT: Check out KnifeMissile's response (1st one on page 2). He sums it up much better than I did. __________________ oh baby oh baby, i like gravy. Last edited by rsl12; 02-20-2004 at 10:54 AM..

12-10-2003, 07:09 AM	#2 (permalink)
Nefir Junkie Location: Louisville, KY	That is an interesting perspective, and I personally believe that the concept of God is something each one of us must harvest inside ourselves, on our own, and in our own ways. However, your proof is simply not definitive. It does not prove that God, as the popular concept, exists, not even close. You make the following assumption which you (and anyone else, for that matter) are unable to prove: that you are indeed omniscient and omnipotent. You say it, but unless you can back it up with definitive proof, the rest of that does not contribute anything to strengthening your argument. Humans' perspective is extremely limited, and they can be easily deceived by things like brain chemistry, mental capacity, and other factors, that is why it is impossible for ANYONE to prove or disprove the existance of God. Nice try though! __________________ You do not use a Macintosh, instead you use a Tandy Kompressor break your glowstick, Kompressor eat your candy Kompressor open jaws, Kompressor release ants Kompressor watch you scream, Because Kompressor does not dance

12-10-2003, 01:12 PM	#4 (permalink)
Mantus lascivious	You have to prove that your axioms are valid and true. In this case your axioms are: God is me. God is omniscient. God is omnipotent. God has a penis. The penis argument is not valid. As you are the one with the penis and god would not have one unless he was you, but you did not prove this yet. If you define god as a being which is omniscient and omnipotent then your arguemnt would be like this: I have a penis. God is omniscient and omnipotent I am omniscient and omnipotent therefore i am god with a penis. So if god has omniscience and omnipotence then you would have to demonstrate one of those powers in order to become god. You say that you cannot demonstrate such powers therefore you cannot prove that you are god. You could be god, yet as long as no proof of your powers exists the idea remains hypothetical. So you are putting the carriage before the horse, it is not for us to disprove you are god, it is for you to prove that you are god. Last edited by Mantus; 12-10-2003 at 01:18 PM..

12-10-2003, 01:33 PM	#5 (permalink)
rsl12 On the lam Location: northern va	au contraire--who is to say that the null hypothesis has to be that I am not god? why isn't it equally reasonable to make the null hypothesis that I am god? sixate: i am all-knowing, i am all-powerful, i just choose not to be a show-off. that's called modesty and it's a very godly trait. anyways, my point is: the way that God is defined these days (omnipotente, omniscient, subtle, beyond grasp), it is very very difficult to come up with any method to prove/disprove existence, and that anyone can claim to be god using the current conventional definition of god. The question of WHY the definition of God has evolved in such a way as to make such a proof continually elusive, I leave to cynics and skeptics. also: i think the penis argument is quite valid. i will get my digital camera out to prove it next time. god is male. __________________ oh baby oh baby, i like gravy.

12-10-2003, 01:38 PM	#6 (permalink)
rsl12 On the lam Location: northern va	Footnote: I would like to point out that, the "subtle" and "beyond grasp" traits of god are a fairly recent occurence--old testament god was angry and showed off his stuff all the time. Buddha and New testament jesus performed miracles, though on a less spectacular scale. Muhommad and Joseph Smith did little more than have visions. Bahaullah and the Bab also did little more than a little divining of the future, and this divining was quite subtle. As time marches on, god becomes less concrete and more abstract and untouchable, and therefore less prone to arguments attacking his existence. __________________ oh baby oh baby, i like gravy.

12-10-2003, 01:09 PM	#3 (permalink)
sixate Registered User Location: Somewhere in Ohio	You couldn't demostrate any powers to save your life. You cannot clean up at a poker table. Hell, you couldn't even tell me was gonna win at the table. You are not all knowing so it kinda kills your theory of being god.

12-10-2003, 01:47 PM	#7 (permalink)
rsl12 On the lam Location: northern va	I would also note that the "sublte" and "beyond grasp" traits of God are not universally accepted today. there are people who believe that jesus shows his force in the blood that drips from statues in guatemala, in the visions of modern prophets, and in patriotic support to religiously correct countries. If you believe in this type of God, I salute you and please ignore this stoopid thought experiment. __________________ oh baby oh baby, i like gravy.

12-14-2003, 11:55 PM	#10 (permalink)
macro Crazy Location: where you live	If I have all of those traits (and yes I do have a penis) am I God too?

12-15-2003, 05:54 AM	#11 (permalink)
rsl12 On the lam Location: northern va	no macro, you are not, because i am already god, and there is only one. __________________ oh baby oh baby, i like gravy.

12-15-2003, 11:33 AM	#12 (permalink)
thingstodo A Storm Is Coming Location: The Great White North	Wait a minute.... who says there is only one God? Greek mythology had many Gods, some even with penises - and some without. What say you? __________________ If you're wringing your hands you can't roll up your shirt sleeves. Stangers have the best candy.

12-15-2003, 12:46 PM	#13 (permalink)
SiphonX Crazy Location: Miami Beach, Fl	k, it's quite simple the way i see, Energy = God, always been there, is here, always will be here. neither created nor can be destroyed, and is in everything. E=God. __________________ /Knowledge is Power/

12-15-2003, 01:47 PM	#14 (permalink)
rsl12 On the lam Location: northern va	I am god, and being omnipotent, i happen to know that there is only one god. and that god is me, so clearly you can't also be god. you can be my lackey if you like, however. __________________ oh baby oh baby, i like gravy.

12-15-2003, 01:52 PM	#15 (permalink)
rsl12 On the lam Location: northern va	SiphonX: if energy = god, then what's your definition of god? it seems like you think he's an omnipresent being that pervades the entire universe. I would like to know if you think god is omnipotent? omniscient? the creator of the universe? a sentinent being? if the answer to these questions is no, then saying energy = god is as useful as saying that your lover is the ultraviolet radiation from the sun, and that your lover is one mean sunovabitch to most people. __________________ oh baby oh baby, i like gravy.

12-15-2003, 05:46 PM	#16 (permalink)
SiphonX Crazy Location: Miami Beach, Fl	you would need to subscribe to my newsletter rsl to find out all these answers and more! but all joking aside, my lover wouldn't fit the characteristics of ultraviolet radiation =/ but god fits all the main characteristics of e. you can't define what you don't understand, so i can't really label a certain job to god, such as, creator of the universe, we can only make allusions to things we already understand. thinking about this stuff is really a waste of time, we'll never find out in our lifetime, so just kick back and shoot the shit. __________________ /Knowledge is Power/

12-26-2003, 11:46 PM	#17 (permalink)
papermachesatan Psycho Location: Texas	hmm.. can omniscence and omnipotence exist at the same time? EDIT: my more eloquently stated reply to a similiar thread has been cut'n'pasted in substitution to the orginial reply. Omniscence would suggest that the future is pre-determined. If the future is pre-determined, then God cannot change it and is consequently not ominpotent. Omnipotence would suggest that the future is not set in stone because God can modify it at will. If the future is changeable, then it cannot be known uphead of time meaning that God is not omniscent. Last edited by papermachesatan; 12-26-2003 at 11:59 PM..

12-27-2003, 06:52 AM	#18 (permalink)
rogue49 Loser	Your only problem with your arguement is this... *I am God* Sorry to tell you this. And no need to prove it, I have faith in myself. Last edited by rogue49; 12-27-2003 at 06:55 AM..

12-27-2003, 11:45 AM	#19 (permalink)
Rodney Observant Ruminant Location: Rich Wannabe Hippie Town	Wait, you have to prove that you exist before we make any conclusions about what you are. How do we know you exist at all, whether as deity _or_ as pimple-backed geek?

12-30-2003, 03:27 AM	#21 (permalink)
bermuDa don't ignore this--> Location: CA	looks like trolling to me.... you purport to prove the existence of god by claiming the title yourself? __________________ I am the very model of a moderator gentleman.

12-30-2003, 08:05 AM	#22 (permalink)
MSD The sky calls to us ... Super Moderator Location: CT	I think this is going to take a trip to the nonsense board very soon ...

12-30-2003, 08:17 AM	#23 (permalink)
GakFace Go Ninja, Go Ninja Go!! Location: IN, USA	Rogue, you kick ass with that statement! Hmm... I have a penis, and I always know what I'm doing and what I'm thinking... so I still by technicality fit the category to be God. You say you're god RSL, BUT... I knew what I was doing before you did.. and by that, I was God first, so you cannot be God but merely thinking you were. Personally though, if there were anyone of these boards to be a God, I'd put my vote in for Art. He can make fun of you, and you will reply "thanks!"... heh. He can also help you out with one simple statement. Nothing huge, just a subtle comment which can speak many words. Also, the Null Hypothesis is that you are not God. Why? Because its more likely. We don't need to prove you are not God.. because by every other God... you don't fit the description. As you have seen, others have taken what you said and turned themselves into God, myself included. You could even prove that we're not god, but that still doesn't prove that you are. So it would be harder to prove that you are God than to prove that we are not. Also... You say there is but ONE god. if this is so, then the probability of someone on this earth being god, its one in what.. a few billion? Then assuming there is a heaven and a hell, you had many more billion, then assuming there is life outside of this planet you add even more Billons of life forms who could hold the title of God. so 1:10000000000000000000000000 ratio? Yeah you NOT being God would be the Null Hypothesis. The Alternative Hypothesis is that you would be God. So, Prove that you are of the other population, that you are God. Until then, we'll just make a mockery of your rules only to point out others that fit your category. Oh, and anyone that is older than you and fhe category automatically eliminates your chances to be God, because they were there before you.... We want proof, not just reasons. We lived through the 90's and that is what is expected nowadays. Definative proof not ideas. I could right now say i'm a super hero. I can fly, but I won't because I didn't bring my costume with me. I can melt people into piles of puke, but I won't because its not subtle and would give me away to the public at large. Does this prove I'm a superhero? Most certainly not! Prove the Alternative Hypothesis here. BTW, you go saying there is only ONE God, but not every religion has had ONE and ONLY ONE God. Further more, not every belief has a MAN for the sole god. In fact in many religions where there is ONE God, it does not state male or female. You say god is male and has a penis.. I have yet to EVER read that. For your first assignment to prove to me that you have the possibility of being God, show me in a written document where God is a Male and that God has a Penis. I want both statements, as you stated both. Sure to be male he should have a Penis, but you made a point to say BOTH things.. thus I want proof of BOTH. I wait for your reply. __________________ RoboBlaster: Welcome to the club! Not that I'm in the club. And there really isn'a a club in the first place. But if there was a club and if I was in it, I would definitely welcome you to it.

12-30-2003, 09:13 AM	#24 (permalink)
seretogis Huggles, sir? Location: Seattle	I think that all of you need to prove that you have penises. points to other forums __________________ seretogis - sieg heil perfect little dream the kind that hurts the most, forgot how it feels well almost no one to blame always the same, open my eyes wake up in flames

01-11-2004, 05:35 AM	#25 (permalink)
tiberry Insane Location: Location, Location!	Are you also omnipresent? Everywhere and everything? I'll suppose that you are, so that means you're me. And if you're god, and you're me - then I'm god too. Prove ME wrong! __________________ My life's work is to bridge the gap between that which is perceived by the mind and that which is quantifiable by words and numbers.

01-11-2004, 02:15 PM	#26 (permalink)
tecoyah Illusionary	rsl12, "7" I am sure you know what that means. __________________ Holding onto anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned. - Buddha

01-12-2004, 05:13 AM	#27 (permalink)
rsl12 On the lam Location: northern va	i do actually. thanks for believing. __________________ oh baby oh baby, i like gravy.

01-24-2004, 07:29 AM	#28 (permalink)
European Son Banned Location: Norway	Why do you need proof of Gods existance? The essence of faith is to manage to believe without proof (I can't).

01-24-2004, 05:33 PM	#29 (permalink)
Jizzosh Insane Location: Beijing, China	It always bothers me that all the Philosophical proofs for God begin from unfounded grounds. i.e. God has omnipotent powers. i.e. God is a being with all perfections. i.e. God is the first efficient cause. It always starts from shaky ground, how can anyone expect it to stand on it's own? __________________ I'm never gonna know you now... but I'm gonna love you anyhow -Elliott Smith

01-28-2004, 07:23 PM	#31 (permalink)
89transam Psycho Location: Central California	Your conclusion that you are god is Valid (based on that if your premises are true your conclusion follows), but your statement is unsound because you in fact do not have omnipotent powers and you are not omniscient. If we follow your logic we can prove anything. Anything that can fly is a bird Dogs can fly therefore Dogs are birds Same structure as your argument. If you assume my rediclious premises to be true the conclusion follows. But, Like yours the premises are not true and we cannot make a real conclusion based on these false premises. __________________ I'd rather be rich than stupid.

01-28-2004, 11:48 PM	#32 (permalink)
Ogre840 Banned Location: OlyWa	Nothing to see here move on. There is no god, religion is a tool to control the masses. Also god is just an idea to help you deal with death. When your dead, your perspective on 'life' is over. Go out, live YOUR life and be happy, cause once its over, its over.

02-12-2004, 05:10 PM	#34 (permalink)
Halx Please touch this. Owner/Admin Location: Manhattan	this is all moot because a) it's silly b) there is no reason to argue c) whatever you may be, at the end of the day, I don't think you can affect my life in the slightest __________________ You have found this post informative. -The Administrator [Don't Feed The Animals]

02-13-2004, 06:40 AM	#35 (permalink)
rsl12 On the lam Location: northern va	halx, you're wrong. i can affect your life in any way i please. i got you to respond to this thread, didn't i? the extent to which i want to affect your life is a question up for debate... ps. i put a postscript on my original post. seems like people think i'm trolling and i wanted to explain that i'm not. __________________ oh baby oh baby, i like gravy. Last edited by rsl12; 02-13-2004 at 07:12 AM..

02-13-2004, 04:56 PM	#36 (permalink)
titsmurf Crazy Location: Belgium	I can prove that you're not God. - From this thread's topic, it's clear that your intention was to prove that you are God, and that you exist - You have failed to convince me that you're God. Hence, you've failed your mission. - This proves that you're not God, as god is perfect and would have succeeded.

02-13-2004, 06:22 PM	#37 (permalink)
hannukah harry Junkie	^^^ maybe god doesn't want YOU to believe. after all, without some dissent, life would be much less entertaining! __________________ shabbat shalom, mother fucker! - the hebrew hammer

02-13-2004, 10:13 PM	#38 (permalink)
rsl12 On the lam Location: northern va	thank you harry. some people get it, some people don't. __________________ oh baby oh baby, i like gravy.

02-13-2004, 11:45 PM	#39 (permalink)
Halx Please touch this. Owner/Admin Location: Manhattan	ok.. thank you for pointing out the absurdity of arguing with a religious person about God. We all knew it was there, we just couldn't see it until you made a thread about it. __________________ You have found this post informative. -The Administrator [Don't Feed The Animals]

02-14-2004, 11:36 AM	#40 (permalink)
DownwardSpiral The Funeral of Hearts Location: Trapped inside my mind. . .	I seriously hope you don't really think you're God. You're most likely doing this to piss the Christians off. I mean seriously, you aren't perfect, you aren't all knowing, yaya etc, how can you be God? __________________ "So Keep on Pretending. Our Heavens Worth the Waiting. Keep on Pretending. It's Alright." -- H.I.M., "Pretending"