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cybersharp · 11-27-2003, 01:17 AM

Ok people i was just wondering about this.

If say somthing like a pin or even a rock or somthing with a huge mass hit a metal floor and made a huge bang or "sound".
And no one was around to here the sound will the sound even be achknowlaged? Will it even ever have really existed?
Sry if this seem's a bit odd but its been buggin me. Thanks for your output people.

lordjeebus · 11-27-2003, 01:21 AM

Surely you have heard the famous koan

"If a tree fell in a forest, and no one was there to hear it, did it make a sound?"

The answer is the same.

EDIT: I should have inserted an evil grin. Evil grin

cybersharp · 11-27-2003, 01:32 AM

thanks took a moment for me to remember what "koan" was but thanks i guess i just need a memory jogger

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lordjeebus · 11-27-2003, 01:34 AM

Seriously though,

"A huge bang" is a phenomenon created by the human mind in response to sound waves of high amplitude entering the ear.

Without someone there to hear it, "a huge bang" cannot be created.

cybersharp · 11-27-2003, 01:39 AM

You know you do have a pretty good point

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anti fishstick · 11-27-2003, 02:02 AM

i think koan is just a word for 'story' used in the east? from my understanding. ie buddhist koans...

lordjeebus · 11-27-2003, 02:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by anti fishstick
i think koan is just a word for 'story' used in the east? from my understanding. ie buddhist koans...

More like a riddle than a story, in that it poses a question. I don't think non-buddhist koans exist -- i believe they originate from a particular sect of zen buddhism.

anti fishstick · 11-27-2003, 02:40 AM

haha yes i don't know anything about it except have heard the term before. and have read a few myself. i was compelled to google it o_O

rogue49 · 11-27-2003, 05:18 AM

Considering there is a medium to transmit the sound (air or water, etc)
The "vibrations" that make a noise to us will always exist.
Although if there is no around to pick up these vibration then no "sound" will exist.

However, considering that there are thousands of things surrounding that area
(not just humans or animals, but insects, etc),
that can pick up those vibrations & interpret them, then you'll always have a "sound".

tecoyah · 11-27-2003, 07:25 AM

This is going into the realms of "schroedinger cat" and quantum physics.

cybersharp · 11-27-2003, 05:05 PM

Thanks for clearing this up for me you all.

11-27-2003, 01:17 AM	#1 (permalink)
cybersharp Insane	noise Ok people i was just wondering about this. If say somthing like a pin or even a rock or somthing with a huge mass hit a metal floor and made a huge bang or "sound". And no one was around to here the sound will the sound even be achknowlaged? Will it even ever have really existed? Sry if this seem's a bit odd but its been buggin me. Thanks for your output people. __________________ 0PtIcAl

11-27-2003, 01:21 AM	#2 (permalink)
lordjeebus ‚±‚Ìˆó˜U‚ª–Ú‚É“ü‚ç‚Ê‚© Location: College	Surely you have heard the famous koan "If a tree fell in a forest, and no one was there to hear it, did it make a sound?" The answer is the same. EDIT: I should have inserted an evil grin. Evil grin Last edited by lordjeebus; 11-27-2003 at 01:28 AM..

11-27-2003, 01:32 AM	#3 (permalink)
cybersharp Insane	thanks took a moment for me to remember what "koan" was but thanks i guess i just need a memory jogger . __________________ 0PtIcAl Last edited by cybersharp; 11-27-2003 at 02:24 AM..

11-27-2003, 01:39 AM	#5 (permalink)
cybersharp Insane	You know you do have a pretty good point .. __________________ 0PtIcAl

11-27-2003, 02:02 AM	#6 (permalink)
anti fishstick Post-modernism meets Individualism AKA the Clash Location: oregon	i think koan is just a word for 'story' used in the east? from my understanding. ie buddhist koans... __________________ And the day came when the risk to remain tight in a bud was more painful than the risk it took to blossom. ~Anais Nin

11-27-2003, 01:34 AM	#4 (permalink)
lordjeebus ‚±‚Ìˆó˜U‚ª–Ú‚É“ü‚ç‚Ê‚© Location: College	Seriously though, "A huge bang" is a phenomenon created by the human mind in response to sound waves of high amplitude entering the ear. Without someone there to hear it, "a huge bang" cannot be created.

11-27-2003, 02:40 AM	#8 (permalink)
anti fishstick Post-modernism meets Individualism AKA the Clash Location: oregon	haha yes i don't know anything about it except have heard the term before. and have read a few myself. i was compelled to google it o_O __________________ And the day came when the risk to remain tight in a bud was more painful than the risk it took to blossom. ~Anais Nin

11-27-2003, 05:18 AM	#9 (permalink)
rogue49 Loser	Considering there is a medium to transmit the sound (air or water, etc) The "vibrations" that make a noise to us will always exist. Although if there is no around to pick up these vibration then no "sound" will exist. However, considering that there are thousands of things surrounding that area (not just humans or animals, but insects, etc), that can pick up those vibrations & interpret them, then you'll always have a "sound". Last edited by rogue49; 11-27-2003 at 05:22 AM..

11-27-2003, 07:25 AM	#10 (permalink)
tecoyah Illusionary	This is going into the realms of "schroedinger cat" and quantum physics. __________________ Holding onto anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned. - Buddha

11-27-2003, 05:05 PM	#11 (permalink)
cybersharp Insane	Thanks for clearing this up for me you all. __________________ 0PtIcAl