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chavos · 09-04-2003, 08:13 PM

i suppose...but it's not technically a statistic when the numbers involved are completely fictional...

Mael · 09-04-2003, 09:43 PM

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Originally posted by chavos
i suppose...but it's not technically a statistic when the numbers involved are completely fictional...

well, aren't all statistics fictional? the whole 9/10 thing that was said is really just a figure of speech meaning that most are like that. whether that's what was meant by it or not, i don't know. also, since i assume he did not have any hard evidence, i'm guessing that he said 9 out of 10 based on his experiances and what he's seen. obviously, that's not objective nor does it cover the whole realm of christian sects.

the thing with any statistics is that you could give me one set, and i could give you a contradictory set, and they'd both be right. and both be wrong. after all, how could 4 out of 5 dentists perfer crest and another 4/5 perfer colgate?

Easytiger · 09-04-2003, 09:57 PM

Mael is right- "nine out of ten" was a figure of speech. And despite the name of this thread, please note that my comment related to ALL religions- my own included- and not just Christianity.
Mael is also right about the nature of statistics, especially on sensitive subjects like religion. How accurate can they be and how honestly have they been applied?
My last post quoted Mark Twain, who was talking about the three different kinds of lie, and frankly, I think he was on to something.

jeenyus_one · 09-06-2003, 08:47 AM

thats why I don't beleive in religion. I beleive in myself, thats it. But sometimes I do find myself saying a prayer or something just because people around me are. Gotta fix that.

chavos · 09-06-2003, 09:05 AM

it wasn't twain. it was benjamin disraeli. But that's not the point. my overblown reaction to your figure of speech was to show just how meaningless and sneaky the use of such figures are. If you don't have data to back it, you have a completely unrepresentative sample size that means nothing. Using that statistic despite that is deceptive, pure and simple. And you dog religion for not caring about the Truth? Please...

papermachesatan · 09-06-2003, 05:54 PM

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Originally posted by Mojo_PeiPei
Unlike other religion's material the majority of the Bible is historical fact.

A primitive interpretation of current events at the time.

CSflim · 09-08-2003, 03:45 PM

...that reminds me...
Mojo_PeiPei I'm still waiting on Einstein's proof of the existence of a soul. After all, he believed in God right?

Mojo_PeiPei · 09-08-2003, 05:54 PM

Jeff GoldBlum said it in Powder!!!

Mojo_PeiPei · 09-08-2003, 06:07 PM

http://members.aol.com/Heraklit1/einstein.htm

Basically what that says and what I misinterpreted was that Einstein doesn't believe in a soul free from a body. The idea was that electricity is what operates our brains, electricity never degrades.

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In Berlin in February 1921 Einstein received from a woman in Vienna a letter imploring him to tell her if he had formed an opinion as to whether the soul exists and with it personal, individual development after death. There were other questions of a similar sort. On 5 February 1921 Einstein answered at some length. Here in part is what he said:

The mystical trend of our time, which shows itself particularly in the rampant growth of the so-called Theosophy and Spiritualism, is for me no more than a symptom of weakness and confusion.

Since our inner experiences consist of reproductions and combinations of sensory impressions, the concept of a soul without a body seems to me to be empty and devoid of meaning.

CSflim · 09-10-2003, 03:03 PM

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Originally posted by Mojo_PeiPei
http://members.aol.com/Heraklit1/einstein.htm

Basically what that says and what I misinterpreted was that Einstein doesn't believe in a soul free from a body. The idea was that electricity is what operates our brains, electricity never degrades.

That's precisely meaningless. Does your computer have a soul? What about your toaster?

Mojo_PeiPei · 09-10-2003, 08:10 PM

Are you questioning the almighty Jeff Goldblum???

09-06-2003, 08:47 AM	#164 (permalink)
jeenyus_one Upright	thats why I don't beleive in religion. I beleive in myself, thats it. But sometimes I do find myself saying a prayer or something just because people around me are. Gotta fix that. __________________ I can resist everything except temptation

09-08-2003, 03:45 PM	#167 (permalink)
CSflim Sky Piercer Location: Ireland	...that reminds me... Mojo_PeiPei I'm still waiting on Einstein's proof of the existence of a soul. After all, he believed in God right? __________________

09-08-2003, 05:54 PM	#168 (permalink)
Mojo_PeiPei Kiss of Death Location: Perpetual wind and sorrow	Jeff GoldBlum said it in Powder!!! __________________ To win a war you must serve no master but your ambition.

09-10-2003, 08:10 PM	#171 (permalink)
Mojo_PeiPei Kiss of Death Location: Perpetual wind and sorrow	Are you questioning the almighty Jeff Goldblum??? __________________ To win a war you must serve no master but your ambition.

09-04-2003, 08:13 PM	#161 (permalink)
chavos Banned Location: St. Paul, MN	i suppose...but it's not technically a statistic when the numbers involved are completely fictional...

09-04-2003, 09:57 PM	#163 (permalink)
Easytiger Insane Location: Tigerland	Mael is right- "nine out of ten" was a figure of speech. And despite the name of this thread, please note that my comment related to ALL religions- my own included- and not just Christianity. Mael is also right about the nature of statistics, especially on sensitive subjects like religion. How accurate can they be and how honestly have they been applied? My last post quoted Mark Twain, who was talking about the three different kinds of lie, and frankly, I think he was on to something.

09-06-2003, 09:05 AM	#165 (permalink)
chavos Banned Location: St. Paul, MN	it wasn't twain. it was benjamin disraeli. But that's not the point. my overblown reaction to your figure of speech was to show just how meaningless and sneaky the use of such figures are. If you don't have data to back it, you have a completely unrepresentative sample size that means nothing. Using that statistic despite that is deceptive, pure and simple. And you dog religion for not caring about the Truth? Please...