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omnigod · 08-12-2003, 07:42 AM

Where do you think we came from? Are we just decendents of some mutated apes?

my theory:

Aliens. I think we are an "ant farm experiment" for aliens. I think we are an experiment for a race of scientists. Later when we are ready, those aliens will use us to create and unleash WMDs on other alien groups. There are probably other planets like ours except with ant farms of fighters and builders. Hell, maybe we are just outcasts of prisoners like Australia was to the british.

So what is your theory of how we got here?

Nizzle · 08-12-2003, 07:57 AM

Maybe we're not here. Maybe we're just in a bad movie.

/me looks suspiciously towards camera. Aliens laugh at dumb joke.

Beltruckus · 08-12-2003, 09:29 AM

I think we are the weapons, we invade a planet deplete all the resources and put the native aliens on smaller and smaller pieces of land...

Alchoholic Hero · 08-12-2003, 09:35 AM

You know, a friend of mine once said that the worst mistake a man can make is to think that he's alive...when really he's just asleep in life's waiting room.

CSflim · 08-12-2003, 10:28 AM

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Originally posted by omnigod
Where do you think we came from? Are we just decendents of some mutated apes?

my theory:

Aliens. I think we are an "ant farm experiment" for aliens. I think we are an experiment for a race of scientists. Later when we are ready, those aliens will use us to create and unleash WMDs on other alien groups. There are probably other planets like ours except with ant farms of fighters and builders. Hell, maybe we are just outcasts of prisoners like Australia was to the british.

So what is your theory of how we got here?

so...any plans to back up your "theory"?

Fibrosa · 08-12-2003, 10:54 AM

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Originally posted by omnigod
Where do you think we came from? Are we just decendents of some mutated apes?

my theory:

Aliens. I think we are an "ant farm experiment" for aliens. I think we are an experiment for a race of scientists. Later when we are ready, those aliens will use us to create and unleash WMDs on other alien groups. There are probably other planets like ours except with ant farms of fighters and builders. Hell, maybe we are just outcasts of prisoners like Australia was to the british.

So what is your theory of how we got here?

So why are our genes so close to apes then?

omnigod · 08-12-2003, 12:56 PM

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so...any plans to back up your "theory"?

Nope, its just one of my ideas. Like I asked, "So what is your theory of how we got here?"

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So why are our genes so close to apes then?

I also think that thats a major possibility, hence the "Are we just decendents of some mutated apes?" that i had said

Jdermit101 · 08-12-2003, 06:15 PM

Theory's have evidence though :\

aintyoboyfriend · 08-12-2003, 07:13 PM

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Originally posted by omnigod
Nope, its just one of my ideas. Like I asked, "So what is your theory of how we got here?"

I also think that thats a major possibility, hence the "Are we just decendents of some mutated apes?" that i had said

well, there is a band called alien ant farm. isn't that proof enough

My theory is similar. Some alien species discovered an otherwise lifeless planet, that was carbon based. Most other planets at least in this galaxy are not. they could not survive here, but created a creature that could, and we have multiplied and taken over from there. Slowly we are becoming smarter and smarter, and will eventually figure out all of this.

Its just a theory though, and it is much too in depth to get into all of the proof here.

Jonsgirl · 08-13-2003, 01:20 AM

Anyone ever read "Seven Views from Olduvai Gorge" by Mike Resnic? Real good. Makes you think. It's a story about mankind's rise from stone wielding "proto-human" to their dominance of the stars and thier eventuall downfall.
Here's the story if you want to read it: http://koapp.narod.ru/english/fantast/book48.htm

And for those who want some proof to back up the theroy that life started here, start here (see also Dr Richard Leaky):
http://emuseum.mankato.msus.edu/arch...vai_gorge.html

Markaz · 08-13-2003, 02:19 AM

I'm not one to believe in a god, but I find it hard to graps we all game into existance from a bang, or something else. I think we slowly evolved from apes, and theres plenty of bones to prove it.

sportsrule101 · 08-13-2003, 06:54 AM

which bones would those be,

/still no middle link

BullHazzer · 08-13-2003, 07:31 AM

No middle link or hard proof. To evolve wouldn't we have to gain genetic information? Our gnome would have to advance and gain material and information. But all valid and measurable data we have about mutations and 'current evolving' shows a degradation and loss of information. So how were we the 'special' ones that evolved up when things are only de-evolving?

You want to know where we came from, go read Genesis. It has a real good description of it.

Stiltzkin · 08-13-2003, 07:50 AM

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Originally posted by BullHazzer
No middle link or hard proof. To evolve wouldn't we have to gain genetic information? Our gnome would have to advance and gain material and information. But all valid and measurable data we have about mutations and 'current evolving' shows a degradation and loss of information. So how were we the 'special' ones that evolved up when things are only de-evolving?

You want to know where we came from, go read Genesis. It has a real good description of it.

"One man's theology is another man's belly laugh." - Excerpts from the Notebooks of Lazarus Long ("Time Enough for Love" by Robert A. Heinlein)

We're not proud of our ancestry but...

omnigod · 08-13-2003, 08:59 AM

Hey, thanks for the links Jonsgirl

omnigod · 08-13-2003, 09:09 AM

This is an older article, still is interesting though.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/2278733.stm

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Chimpanzees may be the closest relation to humans among animals, but we may not share as much DNA as previously thought.
Most studies suggest that 98.5% of our genetic code can also be found in the chimp.

However, a study published in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences says the true difference may be much larger.

In fact, say the researchers, only 95% of our DNA may be the same as the chimpanzee's.

Professor Roy Britten, of the California Institute of Technology, US, said that most studies did not take into account large sections of DNA which are not found on the genome of both man and chimp.

These are "insertions" - where a whole section of genetic code appears in one species but not another, and deletions, in which a chunk is missing.

Professor Britten suspected that these "indels" could be far more significant than the difference revealed by calculating single "base substitutions".

Comparison

He took DNA sequences from the chimp and compared them with the corresponding sections from the human genome.

In these samples, while simply calculating base substitutions revealed a difference of 1.4%, "indels" accounted for a further divergence of 3.9%.

The total difference between humans and chimps in these sequences would therefore be approximately 5.4%.

While it is possible that the chosen sequences - one million bases against a total of three billion - are not accurately representative of the genomes as a whole, Professor Britten believes that 95% sharing would be a "better estimate" overall.

Genome call

The fact that chimps appear resistant to various human diseases such as HIV/Aids and malaria has been used to support calls to work on the complete sequencing of the chimp genome.

This would be a task as demanding as the sequencing of the human genome - which has yet to be completed.

It was claimed that the relatively small difference between human and chimp genomes would offer insights into the gene differences that might render humans more vulnerable to disease.

However, should humans only share 19 out of every 20 base pairs with chimps, as opposed to almost 99 out of every 100, it would make spotting the key genes far more difficult.

hiredgun · 08-13-2003, 10:48 AM

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Originally posted by Alchoholic Hero
You know, a friend of mine once said that the worst mistake a man can make is to think that he's alive...when really he's just asleep in life's waiting room.

If you're going to quote Waking Life, at least fix your sig... it was Stevenson, not Hemingway.

CSflim · 08-13-2003, 02:27 PM

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Originally posted by omnigod
Nope, its just one of my ideas. Like I asked, "So what is your theory of how we got here?"

not a theory. just blind stupidity.

Jonsgirl · 08-13-2003, 03:07 PM

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Originally posted by BullHazzer
No middle link or hard proof. To evolve wouldn't we have to gain genetic information? Our gnome would have to advance and gain material and information. But all valid and measurable data we have about mutations and 'current evolving' shows a degradation and loss of information. So how were we the 'special' ones that evolved up when things are only de-evolving?

You want to know where we came from, go read Genesis. It has a real good description of it.

Wait. Hold on. Wait. You want proof for evolution, but you take the word of a book that was written when mankind didn't even know what sciene was? Where's the proof from Genisis anyway, I can't get by on a "reall good description"?

omnigod · 08-13-2003, 03:10 PM

CSFlim, would you be happier if i called it a hypothesis? This is supposed to be a discussion, not a bashing.

kw42 · 08-13-2003, 03:24 PM

I guess if you just ignore all the genetic evidence, that is plausible. But our DNA can be traced back all the way to prokaryotic organisms, like bacteria and algae. There are similarties and a lot of research has been done even to map the evolutionary tree, so to speak. So no, I don't believe we are an alien experiment, unless of course, the aliens started with the single celled organisms.

kw42 · 08-13-2003, 03:29 PM

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Originally posted by BullHazzer
To evolve wouldn't we have to gain genetic information? Our gnome would have to advance and gain material and information. But all valid and measurable data we have about mutations and 'current evolving' shows a degradation and loss of information.

The amount of material in the genome is not indicitive of the complexity of the organism. A human has an average of 2,900mil base pairs of DNA. A frog, 6,900mil bp. A fruit fly, 180mil. An amoeba, 620,000mil bp.

So I'm not really following the argument that less information in the genome and 'advancement' have anything in common.

http://pga.lbl.gov/Workshop/Nov2002/...es/Nobrega.pdf for more information

scoobydugan · 08-13-2003, 10:53 PM

I definitely don't believe in anything some book says. I think the book was written by someone that wanted some money...It is the most sold book in the world i believe....Evolution is my theory, prove me wrong, or prove yourself right....then I'll be happy

ObieX · 08-15-2003, 01:25 AM

The deletion and addition of DNA/RNA sequences is not a difficult thing for nature to do, it is done every single day, millions of times a day. This is the way many (if not all) virii reproduce. They inject their sequence into a cell, that DNA/RNA would then alter and/or replace strands of DNA in the cell and the cell will then be used for whatever purpose the virus has in mind. In the case of HIV the infected white blood cell is turned into an HIV factory of sorts. Virii ("viruses") alone could be a/the major cause for the loss of certain DNA sequences in the human genome as compaired to the chimp. Then factor in evolution, and natural selection and the changes are explained away rather easily. All DNA is, is a "complex" acid structure, one that can be easily altered. Our DNA is also not much different from mice, which is why they are often used for experiments. Scientists have even been able to grow a human ear out of the back of a mouse. Our evolution from apes is not a far-fetched idea to any extent what-so-ever.

The possibility of other life in the universe (or atleast our solar system) is WAY more extensive than most people would like to believe. Microscopic "bacteria" fossils have already been discovered from meteorites. There are multiple moons in our solar system alone that would possibly be able to support forms of life, not to mention Mars. Callisto, Ganymede and Europa are thought to have water/ice/icy slush beneath their crusts. The *thin* crust of Europa, in fact, is made up of cracked ice. The surface could, at one point, have been entirely liquid water - an ocean world. Where there is water there is an extremely strong possibility for life, and very difererse life.. look at the oceans of earth, some of the stuff that comes outa there is freaky as hell.

The surface of Mars is thought to be covered with ancient (now dry) rivers, lakes and oceans. In fact the "pyramids" on mars are thought to have been built directly on the shore.. "lake-front property", with the "face" sitting just off-shore to give a nice view. I'm pretty sure i also heard that either a planet moon or the sun would rise up out of the face at a certain time of the year (actually i believe it was earth) while viewed from the location of the pyramids. Food for thought.

BullHazzer · 08-15-2003, 10:45 AM

Just FYI.
A more recent picture of the "Mars Face" reveals it isn't even a face only a mother could love, because it isn't even a face.

Viking orbiter picture in late 1976:

Mars Global Surveyor in 1997:

Science and theories are always changing as new things are discovered and learned. It is hard to argue or discuss something that in the end will have an absolute answer when our science does not yet have absolute fact. We see data and trends in data that point one direction for a while and then another. How can we base an absolute answer on theories?

My God is an unchanging God. He is the same today, tomorrow and forever. That is from whom I came from and to whom I will return.

ObieX · 08-15-2003, 07:27 PM

The area is still very symetrical. Erosion can take its toll over tens/hundreds of thousands.. possibly millions of years. And it still looks like a face in that picture as well, granted a very eroded one.

08-12-2003, 07:42 AM	#1 (permalink)
omnigod Tilted	Where do humans come from mommy? Where do you think we came from? Are we just decendents of some mutated apes? my theory: Aliens. I think we are an "ant farm experiment" for aliens. I think we are an experiment for a race of scientists. Later when we are ready, those aliens will use us to create and unleash WMDs on other alien groups. There are probably other planets like ours except with ant farms of fighters and builders. Hell, maybe we are just outcasts of prisoners like Australia was to the british. So what is your theory of how we got here?

08-12-2003, 07:57 AM	#2 (permalink)
Nizzle God-Hating Liberal Location: Silicon Valley, CA	Maybe we're not here. Maybe we're just in a bad movie. /me looks suspiciously towards camera. Aliens laugh at dumb joke. __________________ Nizzle

08-12-2003, 09:29 AM	#3 (permalink)
Beltruckus Psycho Location: Salt Lake City	I think we are the weapons, we invade a planet deplete all the resources and put the native aliens on smaller and smaller pieces of land... __________________ The most important things are the hardest things to say. They are the things you get ashamed of because words diminish your feelings. Words shrink things that seem timeless when they are in your head to no more than living size when they are brought out. -Stephen King

08-12-2003, 09:35 AM	#4 (permalink)
Alchoholic Hero Upright Location: Providence, RI	You know, a friend of mine once said that the worst mistake a man can make is to think that he's alive...when really he's just asleep in life's waiting room. __________________ Suicide killed many... Drink, and the Devil, did the rest. -Hemmingway.

08-13-2003, 01:20 AM	#10 (permalink)
Jonsgirl Semi-Atomic Location: Home.	Anyone ever read "Seven Views from Olduvai Gorge" by Mike Resnic? Real good. Makes you think. It's a story about mankind's rise from stone wielding "proto-human" to their dominance of the stars and thier eventuall downfall. Here's the story if you want to read it: http://koapp.narod.ru/english/fantast/book48.htm And for those who want some proof to back up the theroy that life started here, start here (see also Dr Richard Leaky): http://emuseum.mankato.msus.edu/arch...vai_gorge.html __________________ Someday, someone will best me. But it won't be today, and it won't be you.

08-12-2003, 06:15 PM	#8 (permalink)
Jdermit101 Tilted	Theory's have evidence though :\

08-13-2003, 02:19 AM	#11 (permalink)
Markaz Tilted	I'm not one to believe in a god, but I find it hard to graps we all game into existance from a bang, or something else. I think we slowly evolved from apes, and theres plenty of bones to prove it. __________________ Tu madre está muy sabrosa

08-13-2003, 06:54 AM	#12 (permalink)
sportsrule101 Insane	which bones would those be, /still no middle link __________________ winning isn't everything but losing isn't anything

08-13-2003, 07:31 AM	#13 (permalink)
BullHazzer Crazy Location: The land between the two rivers	No middle link or hard proof. To evolve wouldn't we have to gain genetic information? Our gnome would have to advance and gain material and information. But all valid and measurable data we have about mutations and 'current evolving' shows a degradation and loss of information. So how were we the 'special' ones that evolved up when things are only de-evolving? You want to know where we came from, go read Genesis. It has a real good description of it.

08-13-2003, 08:59 AM	#15 (permalink)
omnigod Tilted	Hey, thanks for the links Jonsgirl

08-13-2003, 03:10 PM	#20 (permalink)
omnigod Tilted	CSFlim, would you be happier if i called it a hypothesis? This is supposed to be a discussion, not a bashing.

08-13-2003, 03:24 PM	#21 (permalink)
kw42 Insane	I guess if you just ignore all the genetic evidence, that is plausible. But our DNA can be traced back all the way to prokaryotic organisms, like bacteria and algae. There are similarties and a lot of research has been done even to map the evolutionary tree, so to speak. So no, I don't believe we are an alien experiment, unless of course, the aliens started with the single celled organisms.

08-13-2003, 10:53 PM	#23 (permalink)
scoobydugan Crazy	I definitely don't believe in anything some book says. I think the book was written by someone that wanted some money...It is the most sold book in the world i believe....Evolution is my theory, prove me wrong, or prove yourself right....then I'll be happy

08-15-2003, 01:25 AM	#24 (permalink)
ObieX Pickles Location: Shirt and Pants (NJ)	The deletion and addition of DNA/RNA sequences is not a difficult thing for nature to do, it is done every single day, millions of times a day. This is the way many (if not all) virii reproduce. They inject their sequence into a cell, that DNA/RNA would then alter and/or replace strands of DNA in the cell and the cell will then be used for whatever purpose the virus has in mind. In the case of HIV the infected white blood cell is turned into an HIV factory of sorts. Virii ("viruses") alone could be a/the major cause for the loss of certain DNA sequences in the human genome as compaired to the chimp. Then factor in evolution, and natural selection and the changes are explained away rather easily. All DNA is, is a "complex" acid structure, one that can be easily altered. Our DNA is also not much different from mice, which is why they are often used for experiments. Scientists have even been able to grow a human ear out of the back of a mouse. Our evolution from apes is not a far-fetched idea to any extent what-so-ever. The possibility of other life in the universe (or atleast our solar system) is WAY more extensive than most people would like to believe. Microscopic "bacteria" fossils have already been discovered from meteorites. There are multiple moons in our solar system alone that would possibly be able to support forms of life, not to mention Mars. Callisto, Ganymede and Europa are thought to have water/ice/icy slush beneath their crusts. The thin crust of Europa, in fact, is made up of cracked ice. The surface could, at one point, have been entirely liquid water - an ocean world. Where there is water there is an extremely strong possibility for life, and very difererse life.. look at the oceans of earth, some of the stuff that comes outa there is freaky as hell. The surface of Mars is thought to be covered with ancient (now dry) rivers, lakes and oceans. In fact the "pyramids" on mars are thought to have been built directly on the shore.. "lake-front property", with the "face" sitting just off-shore to give a nice view. I'm pretty sure i also heard that either a planet moon or the sun would rise up out of the face at a certain time of the year (actually i believe it was earth) while viewed from the location of the pyramids. Food for thought. __________________ We Must Dissent. Last edited by ObieX; 08-15-2003 at 01:30 AM..

08-15-2003, 10:45 AM	#25 (permalink)
BullHazzer Crazy Location: The land between the two rivers	Just FYI. A more recent picture of the "Mars Face" reveals it isn't even a face only a mother could love, because it isn't even a face. Viking orbiter picture in late 1976: Mars Global Surveyor in 1997: Science and theories are always changing as new things are discovered and learned. It is hard to argue or discuss something that in the end will have an absolute answer when our science does not yet have absolute fact. We see data and trends in data that point one direction for a while and then another. How can we base an absolute answer on theories? My God is an unchanging God. He is the same today, tomorrow and forever. That is from whom I came from and to whom I will return.

08-15-2003, 07:27 PM	#26 (permalink)
ObieX Pickles Location: Shirt and Pants (NJ)	The area is still very symetrical. Erosion can take its toll over tens/hundreds of thousands.. possibly millions of years. And it still looks like a face in that picture as well, granted a very eroded one. __________________ We Must Dissent.