Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community  

Go Back   Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community > The Academy > Tilted Philosophy


 
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 08-12-2003, 07:42 AM   #1 (permalink)
Tilted
 
Where do humans come from mommy?

Where do you think we came from? Are we just decendents of some mutated apes?

my theory:

Aliens. I think we are an "ant farm experiment" for aliens. I think we are an experiment for a race of scientists. Later when we are ready, those aliens will use us to create and unleash WMDs on other alien groups. There are probably other planets like ours except with ant farms of fighters and builders. Hell, maybe we are just outcasts of prisoners like Australia was to the british.

So what is your theory of how we got here?
omnigod is offline  
Old 08-12-2003, 07:57 AM   #2 (permalink)
God-Hating Liberal
 
Location: Silicon Valley, CA
Maybe we're not here. Maybe we're just in a bad movie.

/me looks suspiciously towards camera. Aliens laugh at dumb joke.
__________________
Nizzle
Nizzle is offline  
Old 08-12-2003, 09:29 AM   #3 (permalink)
Psycho
 
Location: Salt Lake City
I think we are the weapons, we invade a planet deplete all the resources and put the native aliens on smaller and smaller pieces of land...
__________________
The most important things are the hardest things to say. They are the things you get ashamed of because words diminish your feelings. Words shrink things that seem timeless when they are in your head to no more than living size when they are brought out. -Stephen King
Beltruckus is offline  
Old 08-12-2003, 09:35 AM   #4 (permalink)
Upright
 
Location: Providence, RI
You know, a friend of mine once said that the worst mistake a man can make is to think that he's alive...when really he's just asleep in life's waiting room.
__________________
Suicide killed many...

Drink,
and the Devil,
did the rest.

-Hemmingway.
Alchoholic Hero is offline  
Old 08-12-2003, 10:28 AM   #5 (permalink)
Sky Piercer
 
CSflim's Avatar
 
Location: Ireland
Re: Where do humans come from mommy?

Quote:
Originally posted by omnigod
Where do you think we came from? Are we just decendents of some mutated apes?

my theory:

Aliens. I think we are an "ant farm experiment" for aliens. I think we are an experiment for a race of scientists. Later when we are ready, those aliens will use us to create and unleash WMDs on other alien groups. There are probably other planets like ours except with ant farms of fighters and builders. Hell, maybe we are just outcasts of prisoners like Australia was to the british.

So what is your theory of how we got here?
so...any plans to back up your "theory"?
__________________
CSflim is offline  
Old 08-12-2003, 10:54 AM   #6 (permalink)
Insane
 
Re: Where do humans come from mommy?

Quote:
Originally posted by omnigod
Where do you think we came from? Are we just decendents of some mutated apes?

my theory:

Aliens. I think we are an "ant farm experiment" for aliens. I think we are an experiment for a race of scientists. Later when we are ready, those aliens will use us to create and unleash WMDs on other alien groups. There are probably other planets like ours except with ant farms of fighters and builders. Hell, maybe we are just outcasts of prisoners like Australia was to the british.

So what is your theory of how we got here?
So why are our genes so close to apes then?
Fibrosa is offline  
Old 08-12-2003, 12:56 PM   #7 (permalink)
Tilted
 
Re: Re: Where do humans come from mommy?

Quote:
so...any plans to back up your "theory"?
Nope, its just one of my ideas. Like I asked, "So what is your theory of how we got here?"


Quote:
So why are our genes so close to apes then?
I also think that thats a major possibility, hence the "Are we just decendents of some mutated apes?" that i had said
omnigod is offline  
Old 08-12-2003, 06:15 PM   #8 (permalink)
Tilted
 
Theory's have evidence though :\
Jdermit101 is offline  
Old 08-12-2003, 07:13 PM   #9 (permalink)
Insane
 
Location: Arlington, VA
Re: Re: Re: Where do humans come from mommy?

Quote:
Originally posted by omnigod
Nope, its just one of my ideas. Like I asked, "So what is your theory of how we got here?"




I also think that thats a major possibility, hence the "Are we just decendents of some mutated apes?" that i had said

well, there is a band called alien ant farm. isn't that proof enough

My theory is similar. Some alien species discovered an otherwise lifeless planet, that was carbon based. Most other planets at least in this galaxy are not. they could not survive here, but created a creature that could, and we have multiplied and taken over from there. Slowly we are becoming smarter and smarter, and will eventually figure out all of this.

Its just a theory though, and it is much too in depth to get into all of the proof here.
aintyoboyfriend is offline  
Old 08-13-2003, 01:20 AM   #10 (permalink)
Semi-Atomic
 
Location: Home.
Anyone ever read "Seven Views from Olduvai Gorge" by Mike Resnic? Real good. Makes you think. It's a story about mankind's rise from stone wielding "proto-human" to their dominance of the stars and thier eventuall downfall.
Here's the story if you want to read it: http://koapp.narod.ru/english/fantast/book48.htm

And for those who want some proof to back up the theroy that life started here, start here (see also Dr Richard Leaky):
http://emuseum.mankato.msus.edu/arch...vai_gorge.html
__________________
Someday, someone will best me.
But it won't be today, and it won't be you.
Jonsgirl is offline  
Old 08-13-2003, 02:19 AM   #11 (permalink)
Tilted
 
I'm not one to believe in a god, but I find it hard to graps we all game into existance from a bang, or something else. I think we slowly evolved from apes, and theres plenty of bones to prove it.
__________________
Tu madre está muy sabrosa

Markaz is offline  
Old 08-13-2003, 06:54 AM   #12 (permalink)
Insane
 
which bones would those be,

/still no middle link
__________________
winning isn't everything but
losing isn't anything
sportsrule101 is offline  
Old 08-13-2003, 07:31 AM   #13 (permalink)
Crazy
 
Location: The land between the two rivers
No middle link or hard proof. To evolve wouldn't we have to gain genetic information? Our gnome would have to advance and gain material and information. But all valid and measurable data we have about mutations and 'current evolving' shows a degradation and loss of information. So how were we the 'special' ones that evolved up when things are only de-evolving?

You want to know where we came from, go read Genesis. It has a real good description of it.
BullHazzer is offline  
Old 08-13-2003, 07:50 AM   #14 (permalink)
Junkie
 
Stiltzkin's Avatar
 
Quote:
Originally posted by BullHazzer
No middle link or hard proof. To evolve wouldn't we have to gain genetic information? Our gnome would have to advance and gain material and information. But all valid and measurable data we have about mutations and 'current evolving' shows a degradation and loss of information. So how were we the 'special' ones that evolved up when things are only de-evolving?

You want to know where we came from, go read Genesis. It has a real good description of it.
"One man's theology is another man's belly laugh." - Excerpts from the Notebooks of Lazarus Long ("Time Enough for Love" by Robert A. Heinlein)

We're not proud of our ancestry but...


__________________
The most important thing in this world is love.
Stiltzkin is offline  
Old 08-13-2003, 08:59 AM   #15 (permalink)
Tilted
 
Hey, thanks for the links Jonsgirl
omnigod is offline  
Old 08-13-2003, 09:09 AM   #16 (permalink)
Tilted
 
This is an older article, still is interesting though.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/2278733.stm

Quote:
Chimpanzees may be the closest relation to humans among animals, but we may not share as much DNA as previously thought.
Most studies suggest that 98.5% of our genetic code can also be found in the chimp.

However, a study published in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences says the true difference may be much larger.

In fact, say the researchers, only 95% of our DNA may be the same as the chimpanzee's.

Professor Roy Britten, of the California Institute of Technology, US, said that most studies did not take into account large sections of DNA which are not found on the genome of both man and chimp.

These are "insertions" - where a whole section of genetic code appears in one species but not another, and deletions, in which a chunk is missing.

Professor Britten suspected that these "indels" could be far more significant than the difference revealed by calculating single "base substitutions".

Comparison

He took DNA sequences from the chimp and compared them with the corresponding sections from the human genome.

In these samples, while simply calculating base substitutions revealed a difference of 1.4%, "indels" accounted for a further divergence of 3.9%.

The total difference between humans and chimps in these sequences would therefore be approximately 5.4%.

While it is possible that the chosen sequences - one million bases against a total of three billion - are not accurately representative of the genomes as a whole, Professor Britten believes that 95% sharing would be a "better estimate" overall.

Genome call

The fact that chimps appear resistant to various human diseases such as HIV/Aids and malaria has been used to support calls to work on the complete sequencing of the chimp genome.

This would be a task as demanding as the sequencing of the human genome - which has yet to be completed.

It was claimed that the relatively small difference between human and chimp genomes would offer insights into the gene differences that might render humans more vulnerable to disease.

However, should humans only share 19 out of every 20 base pairs with chimps, as opposed to almost 99 out of every 100, it would make spotting the key genes far more difficult.
omnigod is offline  
Old 08-13-2003, 10:48 AM   #17 (permalink)
Addict
 
hiredgun's Avatar
 
Quote:
Originally posted by Alchoholic Hero
You know, a friend of mine once said that the worst mistake a man can make is to think that he's alive...when really he's just asleep in life's waiting room.
If you're going to quote Waking Life, at least fix your sig... it was Stevenson, not Hemingway.
hiredgun is offline  
Old 08-13-2003, 02:27 PM   #18 (permalink)
Sky Piercer
 
CSflim's Avatar
 
Location: Ireland
Re: Re: Re: Where do humans come from mommy?

Quote:
Originally posted by omnigod
Nope, its just one of my ideas. Like I asked, "So what is your theory of how we got here?"
not a theory. just blind stupidity.
__________________
CSflim is offline  
Old 08-13-2003, 03:07 PM   #19 (permalink)
Semi-Atomic
 
Location: Home.
Quote:
Originally posted by BullHazzer
No middle link or hard proof. To evolve wouldn't we have to gain genetic information? Our gnome would have to advance and gain material and information. But all valid and measurable data we have about mutations and 'current evolving' shows a degradation and loss of information. So how were we the 'special' ones that evolved up when things are only de-evolving?

You want to know where we came from, go read Genesis. It has a real good description of it.
Wait. Hold on. Wait. You want proof for evolution, but you take the word of a book that was written when mankind didn't even know what sciene was? Where's the proof from Genisis anyway, I can't get by on a "reall good description"?
__________________
Someday, someone will best me.
But it won't be today, and it won't be you.
Jonsgirl is offline  
Old 08-13-2003, 03:10 PM   #20 (permalink)
Tilted
 
CSFlim, would you be happier if i called it a hypothesis? This is supposed to be a discussion, not a bashing.
omnigod is offline  
Old 08-13-2003, 03:24 PM   #21 (permalink)
Insane
 
I guess if you just ignore all the genetic evidence, that is plausible. But our DNA can be traced back all the way to prokaryotic organisms, like bacteria and algae. There are similarties and a lot of research has been done even to map the evolutionary tree, so to speak. So no, I don't believe we are an alien experiment, unless of course, the aliens started with the single celled organisms.
kw42 is offline  
Old 08-13-2003, 03:29 PM   #22 (permalink)
Insane
 
Quote:
Originally posted by BullHazzer
To evolve wouldn't we have to gain genetic information? Our gnome would have to advance and gain material and information. But all valid and measurable data we have about mutations and 'current evolving' shows a degradation and loss of information.
The amount of material in the genome is not indicitive of the complexity of the organism. A human has an average of 2,900mil base pairs of DNA. A frog, 6,900mil bp. A fruit fly, 180mil. An amoeba, 620,000mil bp.

So I'm not really following the argument that less information in the genome and 'advancement' have anything in common.

http://pga.lbl.gov/Workshop/Nov2002/...es/Nobrega.pdf for more information
kw42 is offline  
Old 08-13-2003, 10:53 PM   #23 (permalink)
Crazy
 
I definitely don't believe in anything some book says. I think the book was written by someone that wanted some money...It is the most sold book in the world i believe....Evolution is my theory, prove me wrong, or prove yourself right....then I'll be happy
scoobydugan is offline  
Old 08-15-2003, 01:25 AM   #24 (permalink)
Pickles
 
ObieX's Avatar
 
Location: Shirt and Pants (NJ)
The deletion and addition of DNA/RNA sequences is not a difficult thing for nature to do, it is done every single day, millions of times a day. This is the way many (if not all) virii reproduce. They inject their sequence into a cell, that DNA/RNA would then alter and/or replace strands of DNA in the cell and the cell will then be used for whatever purpose the virus has in mind. In the case of HIV the infected white blood cell is turned into an HIV factory of sorts. Virii ("viruses") alone could be a/the major cause for the loss of certain DNA sequences in the human genome as compaired to the chimp. Then factor in evolution, and natural selection and the changes are explained away rather easily. All DNA is, is a "complex" acid structure, one that can be easily altered. Our DNA is also not much different from mice, which is why they are often used for experiments. Scientists have even been able to grow a human ear out of the back of a mouse. Our evolution from apes is not a far-fetched idea to any extent what-so-ever.


The possibility of other life in the universe (or atleast our solar system) is WAY more extensive than most people would like to believe. Microscopic "bacteria" fossils have already been discovered from meteorites. There are multiple moons in our solar system alone that would possibly be able to support forms of life, not to mention Mars. Callisto, Ganymede and Europa are thought to have water/ice/icy slush beneath their crusts. The *thin* crust of Europa, in fact, is made up of cracked ice. The surface could, at one point, have been entirely liquid water - an ocean world. Where there is water there is an extremely strong possibility for life, and very difererse life.. look at the oceans of earth, some of the stuff that comes outa there is freaky as hell.

The surface of Mars is thought to be covered with ancient (now dry) rivers, lakes and oceans. In fact the "pyramids" on mars are thought to have been built directly on the shore.. "lake-front property", with the "face" sitting just off-shore to give a nice view. I'm pretty sure i also heard that either a planet moon or the sun would rise up out of the face at a certain time of the year (actually i believe it was earth) while viewed from the location of the pyramids. Food for thought.
__________________
We Must Dissent.

Last edited by ObieX; 08-15-2003 at 01:30 AM..
ObieX is offline  
Old 08-15-2003, 10:45 AM   #25 (permalink)
Crazy
 
Location: The land between the two rivers
Just FYI.
A more recent picture of the "Mars Face" reveals it isn't even a face only a mother could love, because it isn't even a face.

Viking orbiter picture in late 1976:

Mars Global Surveyor in 1997:


Science and theories are always changing as new things are discovered and learned. It is hard to argue or discuss something that in the end will have an absolute answer when our science does not yet have absolute fact. We see data and trends in data that point one direction for a while and then another. How can we base an absolute answer on theories?

My God is an unchanging God. He is the same today, tomorrow and forever. That is from whom I came from and to whom I will return.
BullHazzer is offline  
Old 08-15-2003, 07:27 PM   #26 (permalink)
Pickles
 
ObieX's Avatar
 
Location: Shirt and Pants (NJ)
The area is still very symetrical. Erosion can take its toll over tens/hundreds of thousands.. possibly millions of years. And it still looks like a face in that picture as well, granted a very eroded one.
__________________
We Must Dissent.
ObieX is offline  
 

Tags
humans, mommy

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 11:10 AM.

Tilted Forum Project

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0 PL2
© 2002-2012 Tilted Forum Project

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 140 141 142 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 150 151 152 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 161 162 163 164 165 166 167 168 169 170 171 172 173 174 175 176 177 178 179 180 181 182 183 184 185 186 187 188 189 190 191 192 193 194 195 196 197 198 199 200 201 202 203 204 205 206 207 208 209 210 211 212 213 214 215 216 217 218 219 220 221 222 223 224 225 226 227 228 229 230 231 232 233 234 235 236 237 238 239 240 241 242 243 244 245 246 247 248 249 250 251 252 253 254 255 256 257 258 259 260 261 262 263 264 265 266 267 268 269 270 271 272 273 274 275 276 277 278 279 280 281 282 283 284 285 286 287 288 289 290 291 292 293 294 295 296 297 298 299 300 301 302 303 304 305 306 307 308 309 310 311 312 313 314 315 316 317 318 319 320 321 322 323 324 325 326 327 328 329 330 331 332 333 334 335 336 337 338 339 340 341 342 343 344 345 346 347 348 349 350 351 352 353 354 355 356 357 358 359 360