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cosmixmaster 08-11-2003 08:25 PM

Time Travel
 
Is it possible?

I've heard that travel forwards can work, but backwards isn't possible.

HeadyIncognito 08-11-2003 08:26 PM

I heard you need to not weigh anything and have to be going the speed of light.

So, yes. It's not just possible, it's easy!

Tonic 08-11-2003 08:27 PM

I think time travel could work backwards. You'd just change everything in the past. Bam.

cosmixmaster 08-11-2003 08:28 PM

like, the faster you go, the slower time is.

there was an experiment where an atomic clock was a few milliseconds slower after being in space

HeadyIncognito 08-11-2003 08:28 PM

Wait, no. Time trave is definitly not possible, cause if it were, somebody would have come from the future by now and given us the technolongy!

cosmixmaster 08-11-2003 08:29 PM

then again, mass would become infinite as you reach light speed

Tonic 08-11-2003 08:29 PM

Maybe only robots could withstand the terrible rigors of time travel? I wouldn't trust a robot to kill hitler.

cosmixmaster 08-11-2003 08:29 PM

maybe they aren't allowed to in the future

like in TimeCop

Tonic 08-11-2003 08:32 PM

Okay, I was just thinking about this and if you tried to go back in time to kill your grandfather before he could father your father, wouldn't that mean that you would never be born so you couldn't go back in time to kill your grandfather?

HeadyIncognito 08-11-2003 08:32 PM

Well, haven't you seen those Terminator movies? The robots kill everyone! maybe there is no future to visit, thanks to those robots.

cosmixmaster 08-11-2003 08:32 PM

Or what if you could only time-travel into like, gateways, so time-travel in the past isn't possible UNTIL we perfect it our era?

Speedster 08-11-2003 08:32 PM

I recall reading somewhere about the use of black holes to travel through time.

cosmixmaster 08-11-2003 08:33 PM

"Okay, I was just thinking about this and if you tried to go back in time to kill your grandfather before he could father your father, wouldn't that mean that you would never be born so you couldn't go back in time to kill your grandfather?"

What if there are alternate universes?

HeadyIncognito 08-11-2003 08:33 PM

Black holes are just theoretical. Nobody knows if they really exist.

Tonic 08-11-2003 08:33 PM

Are black holes the same thing as worm holes?

cosmixmaster 08-11-2003 08:33 PM

Oh, shit, yeah, black holes are crazy

Like, they distort reality

cosmixmaster 08-11-2003 08:34 PM

No, worm holes are tears in the interdimensional fabric,

black holes are collapsed stars

HeadyIncognito 08-11-2003 08:34 PM

Have you heard what those crazy scientists say? Black holes bend light? Please.

cosmixmaster 08-11-2003 08:35 PM

Black holes ABSORB light dude.

They bend TIME.

If you go the speed of light, time like, freezes

Tonic 08-11-2003 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by cosmixmaster
"Okay, I was just thinking about this and if you tried to go back in time to kill your grandfather before he could father your father, wouldn't that mean that you would never be born so you couldn't go back in time to kill your grandfather?"

What if there are alternate universes?

Assuming there were an infinite number of alt universes, and you could travel between them, wouldn't there be an infinite number of universes traveling to ours?

HeadyIncognito 08-11-2003 08:37 PM

If you go the speed of light, I think you just can't see anything. Like when you break the sound barrier, you can't hear anything? Its the light barrier.

cosmixmaster 08-11-2003 08:39 PM

well, tonic, maybe there are

or maybe there are a finite number of universes

HeadyIncognito 08-11-2003 08:40 PM

Maybe, there only is one universe, and life is just one big choose your own adventure.

Go to page 76.

titsmurf 08-11-2003 08:41 PM

I had this idea about time travel a while ago, which I think is a sensible way of finding out if it can ever be done.

We erect a huge monument that will forever remain standing, and we write the date of completion on it. We put the text: "here, on (date), the very first time travellers ever appeared" on it. Then, theoretically, as soon as the monument is complete, people should show up and prove once and for all that time travel is possible.

cosmixmaster 08-11-2003 08:41 PM

the problem is the faster you go, the more mass you have

thats why you need to use negative energy

HeadyIncognito 08-11-2003 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by titsmurf
I had this idea about time travel a while ago, which I think is a sensible way of finding out if it can ever be done.

We erect a huge monument that will forever remain standing, and we write the date of completion on it. We put the text: "here, on (date), the very first time travellers ever appeared" on it. Then, theoretically, as soon as the monument is complete, people should show up and prove once and for all that time travel is possible.

But, what if fate doesn't exist? Does that mean time travel is impossible without fate?

cosmixmaster 08-11-2003 08:43 PM

"We erect a huge monument that will forever remain standing, and we write the date of completion on it. We put the text: "here, on (date), the very first time travellers ever appeared" on it. Then, theoretically, as soon as the monument is complete, people should show up and prove once and for all that time travel is possible."

BUT WHAT IF you require like a teleporter to go back in time.

We would need a gateway for them to come back

HeadyIncognito 08-11-2003 08:46 PM

A teleporter, comixmater? I don't know what you mean by that.

cosmixmaster 08-11-2003 08:48 PM

Hmm... perhaps

cosmixmaster 08-11-2003 08:49 PM

^^about fate

a teleporter

think about this:

time travel could need 2 doors

they have one in the future
we don't have one in the present

until we build a door or gateway, they can't visit us and we can't visit them

HeadyIncognito 08-11-2003 08:50 PM

Oh, I see. Yeah, but by the time we make a portal... uh... that means that we could travel in time ourselves. IT'S A CATCH 22!

Anywho... Maybe time travel IS fate, in a sense. Maybe everything we do is fate, and any deviation is time travel!

Tonic 08-11-2003 08:51 PM

Technically, as we observe time going forward right now, aren't we time traveling FORWARD?

HeadyIncognito 08-11-2003 08:53 PM

So, everyone can time travel, we just can't control it. Or maybe we can, thats why childhood seems longer, than the rest of your life! Maybe, people will learn to master the very flow of time...

cosmixmaster 08-11-2003 08:54 PM

I doubt it.

You can't always rely on fate

Tonic 08-11-2003 08:55 PM

Okay that's just crazy because if it's fate, isn't it bound to happen? Like destiny? So of course you can count on it.

HeadyIncognito 08-11-2003 08:56 PM

Thats very profound... A good argument against fate. Maybe time is the counter to free will.

Tonic 08-11-2003 09:01 PM

Assuming you went beyond the speed of light, wouldn't you become god?

cosmixmaster 08-11-2003 09:01 PM

destiny = fate

maybe like aliens can travel in time

cosmixmaster 08-11-2003 09:04 PM

why would be be god?


just cause you're going fast doesn't make you omnipotent

HeadyIncognito 08-11-2003 09:04 PM

That is an interesting analogy tonic. If you could go beyond the speed of light, and reap the time traveling rewards that that entails, you could reshape the world and essentially be a god!

Tonic 08-11-2003 09:04 PM

But aliens abduct humans to experiment on. Don't you think that they would travel to an earlier period of time when humans were less harmful? Like, the 60's or something?

HeadyIncognito 08-11-2003 09:08 PM

Man, I don't even know if the 60s were less harmful. More drugs, I guess, but I mean, we were in the middle of a war and stuff.

cosmixmaster 08-11-2003 09:11 PM

well, you'd be a demigod, not a real god

cosmixmaster 08-11-2003 09:11 PM

there might be like good aliens and bad aliens

Tonic 08-11-2003 09:12 PM

You'd still be omnipotent, omnipresent, all that, right?

cosmixmaster 08-11-2003 09:14 PM

You wouldn't have god powers!

You would just know what could happen

HeadyIncognito 08-11-2003 09:14 PM

Yes. I mean, In like every religion, omnipotence = big pimpin, and to a lesser extent, spendin cheese.

cosmixmaster 08-11-2003 09:15 PM

aliens could have built the pyramids

HeadyIncognito 08-11-2003 09:16 PM

No, cos. If you could time travel, you could change stuff too. Just use your imagination.

Tonic 08-11-2003 09:18 PM

I was just watching X-Files and the japanese were trying to create a race of alien human hybrids.

HeadyIncognito 08-11-2003 09:19 PM

Crazy Japanese. Where'd they get the alien parts?

titsmurf 08-11-2003 09:20 PM

I don't actually think we'll ever travel back in time. Scientists today definately wouldn't go back in time if they had a time machine, because they'd be afraid of changing things back here in the present. There's no reason to believe they'll get more stupid in the future.

I've heard so much about those insane worm-holes these days that I don't really attach much value to that whole thing. It seems a bit too convenient to be true. I'll have to actually see one of those things, and see it do all the nifty things science tells us it might do, before I'll believe it.

I mean... people nowadays laugh when they hear doctors once thought leeches were the cure to all diseases. I have a feeling that in 400 years, people might be laughing at our wormholes too.

Tex 08-11-2003 09:23 PM

Aliens don't exist.

See Fermi's Paradox

cosmixmaster 08-11-2003 09:23 PM

Was it Japanese or Alien japanese?

Tonic 08-11-2003 09:26 PM

It looked like an alien. I couldn't tell if it was japanese or anything. Maybe it was.

HeadyIncognito 08-11-2003 09:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tex
Aliens don't exist.

See Fermi's Paradox

Maybe we are the aliens destined to colonize the galaxy.

cosmixmaster 08-11-2003 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tex
Aliens don't exist.

See Fermi's Paradox

what if alens are coming now to enslave us?

HeadyIncognito 08-11-2003 09:31 PM

Maybe, the aliens are microscopic. Or maybe, WE'RE microscopic.

Tonic 08-11-2003 09:37 PM

What if planets were like aliens, and we were germs. But we didn't realize it because we didn't have the persepective.

cosmixmaster 08-11-2003 09:39 PM

well size is all relative man

HeadyIncognito 08-11-2003 09:39 PM

Ooh. That's neat. But, what exactly is the aliens/planed thing? The rocks and stuff? Maybe, the sum of all life on the planet is essentially one being that we live off of.

Tonic 08-11-2003 09:41 PM

And the motion of the planets sets the 'beat' of the relative ammount of time that passes. So all we have to do to time travel is speed up the planet. I dunno, maybe rockets or something?

HeadyIncognito 08-11-2003 09:44 PM

You know whats funny? That like makes complete sense. If we sped the planet up, then we'd have sped up time itself! OMG WHAT IF TIME IS SEASONAL! WHAT IF WE LEAVE THE ORBIT!

cosmixmaster 08-11-2003 09:45 PM

Why would aliens want to enslave us anyways?

Tonic 08-11-2003 09:46 PM

I don't think man is ready for this kind of responsibility. Being flawed and all.

HeadyIncognito 08-11-2003 09:46 PM

Get on topic cos. Jeez. We're talking about speeding up the planet.

Tonic 08-11-2003 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by cosmixmaster
Why would aliens want to enslave us anyways?
We'd be like pets to them. They would make us do tricks and stuff

HeadyIncognito 08-11-2003 09:48 PM

Maybe they'd enslave us for the same reasons that mankind is enslaved in the matrix. Maybe they need our bodies for power!

cosmixmaster 08-11-2003 09:49 PM

well the planet is going 1000 mph

Tonic 08-11-2003 09:49 PM

Couldn't they like, use cows or something?

HeadyIncognito 08-11-2003 09:52 PM

I guess that we'd know if aliens have enslaved us... Cause of the massive cow shortages.

cosmixmaster 08-11-2003 09:54 PM

they do multilate cows

Tonic 08-11-2003 09:56 PM

You'd think that they could like, scan the cow or something instead of dissect it. Shouldn't they have tricorders if they're super advancecd?

HeadyIncognito 08-11-2003 09:56 PM

Can aliens time travel? Maybe thats how they've avoided us for so long.

Tonic 08-11-2003 10:01 PM

Probably. Maybe those 'grey' aliens are more evolved humans!

cosmixmaster 08-11-2003 10:02 PM

Aliens ahve super technology, I bet they can time travel

HeadyIncognito 08-11-2003 10:02 PM

It would make perfect sense! If I was more evolved, I sure wouldn't want to spend time with you losers. I'd use my evolutionary powers to hide... In time!

Tonic 08-11-2003 10:04 PM

Maybe part of their super evolution is coming back in time to dissect us. Like in Bill and Ted, where they come back in time to help themselves all the time.

cosmixmaster 08-11-2003 10:07 PM

speaking of evolution, maybe we can get like telekniesis or telepathy

they say the aliens communicate with telepathy

HeadyIncognito 08-11-2003 10:07 PM

Why would they want to dissect us? Maybe, the only way to evolve is to assimilate other humans!

cosmixmaster 08-11-2003 10:15 PM

I do believe there are several groups of aliens, some good some bad

Tonic 08-11-2003 10:17 PM

Do they fight? Why havn't we witnessed their epic battles through the hubble?

HeadyIncognito 08-11-2003 10:17 PM

What do you mean by 'good' and 'bad'? Some aliens want to enslave us, perhaps? Maybe the other ones are trying to help us do the whole evolving thing?

cosmixmaster 08-11-2003 10:20 PM

I mean there are two forces of aliens

Maybe 1 for esnalvement, maybe 1 against it

like the civil war

HeadyIncognito 08-11-2003 10:22 PM

Makes sense, because history does repeat itself... The question is, which side is winning...

cosmixmaster 08-11-2003 10:23 PM

well, are we enslaved yet?

go blue aliens

Tonic 08-11-2003 10:28 PM

How do you know that they're blue, huh? Are you in league with them? Are you the Harriet Tubman of the good aliens? Where is your underground railroad???

micah67 08-12-2003 12:03 AM

Right. Time travel is possible at plus one second per second.

ObieX 08-15-2003 03:00 AM

*nerd mode.. ACTIVATE!!*

I would lke to know how infinite mass is defined. What would you have if you had "infinite mass".

Every particle (proton, for example) has an existing anti particle (anti-proton, in this case). a Photon (light), i believe, is defined as a particle that exists as both its particle and anti-particle state at the same time. They are also said to have no mass. So the closer you come to "infinite mass" the closer you would come to this state (energy... i think)? when a particle and anti-aprticle of its type come into contact they annihilate each other. So in theory you'd either blink out of existance or turn into energy. Most likely you would turn into a form of energy, if this is the case you would need a way to change back into a form of matter.. preferrably the form you began as, anything else would be undesireable. And the alternative to turning into energy, not existing at all, would also be undesireable (to me anyway).

Black holes are collapsed giant stars. They arent holes but extremely super-dense and compacted matter. Matter is mostly comprised of empty space, if all that empty space is condensed and subatomic particles condensed (which you'd think would be possible by a massive star collapsing in upon itself) you get a "black 'hole'" (dont take my word on that last part, thats just how i understand it). And yea, black holes can bend light as well as absorb it.. lots of celestial bodies bend light though. Astronomers use the effect of bent light by gravity to view distant galaxies, its called a gravity lense.

***this section is actually on topic***
I can see how time travel forward would be possible, but i think it would be distortion of time, like in the TV show Andromeda. Surrounding time/space can be slowed down in a pocket of sorts, like that created by a black hole, but time outside that pocket would move at it's "normal" rate. Intense gravity would probably destroy any life form though if left uprotected.

I can also see the possibility of existing in a state "outside" of time/space where you would literally be everywhere and at every time at once, where/or (you) can slip in and out of any point in space/time. .....talk about playing God.

So to answer your question: Yes.
***end on topic section***

What i would like to know is.. can gravity be used to slow light? If you can slow down light by gravity, could you then speed up light by gravity? much the way planetary gravity is used by NASA to accellerate/fling spacecraft etc out to mars and beyond? If so "the speed of light" is moot, and my brain hurts.

I would go into this field and do work on Einstein's "Unified Field Theory" and other stuff if i didn't HATE DOING MATH WITH EVERY FIBER OF MY BEING!@! Not to menton fear of being killed by the government or being abducted by aliens... weEEeEEeeEE!!

*powering down nerd mode... it is now safe to shut off your computer.*


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