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mjollnir · 08-15-2003, 07:07 AM

study anthropology, that'll do it for ya.

Sledge · 08-16-2003, 12:33 PM

Christian arguments they equipped me with during my church days:

1 - If [pick one of the following: "the kindness of man," "this wonderful world," "the Bible"] doesn't convince you that there is a God, then miracles won't, either. The Israelites didn't even believe in Jesus when he was walking around healing the dead: what makes you think you would be any different?

You'll get to hear this chestnut if you assert that a world with God and a world without God wouldn't be very different because God doesn't seem to be doing anything that's not explainable by nature. What makes me think I'd be different? Well, if a dude came and turned my Gatorade into wine, I think I'd listen to what he has to say. But anecdotal miracle stories, near-death experiences, and people telling me how much THE LORD has changed their lives aren't as believable.

2 - Life without God is meaningless! If there's no afterlife, why don't you just go and kill youself?

You learn, after turning your back on God, to make your own meaning... there's no escaping death, but there is such a thing as having lived a full, regretless life.

MacGnG · 08-16-2003, 06:30 PM

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Originally posted by Sledge
Christian arguments they equipped me with during my church days: ...The Israelites didn't even believe in Jesus when he was walking around healing the dead...

im sorry they told you that, because it's a lie; Jews do not believe Jesus was the Messiah, we believe the Messiah has not come yet (the entire universe is not at peace is it?), Jesus was just a man as any of us are. I believe in him as i believe any other man/person/thing exists.

CSflim · 08-17-2003, 10:25 AM

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Originally posted by MacGnG
im sorry they told you that, because it's a lie; Jews do not believe Jesus was the Messiah, we believe the Messiah has not come yet (the entire universe is not at peace is it?), Jesus was just a man as any of us are. I believe in him as i believe any other man/person/thing exists.

But did he have a cure for leporacy?

MacGnG · 08-17-2003, 09:28 PM

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Originally posted by CSflim
But did he have a cure for leporacy?

i dunnno

sub zero · 08-17-2003, 10:44 PM

It would take deep thinking, several (a whole lot) valid fucking points, and a willingness to 'change my mind'.

GakFace · 12-30-2003, 10:22 AM

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Originally posted by Xiangsu
What would it take for you to believe there is no god?

I suppose for me it would take what a lot of athiests say. A lot of proof. As of right now.. its rather hard to give some good hard proof for EITHER direction. I originally didn't give a shit about god.. no matter what my parents said.. I only went to church because they finally woke me up. On my own I came to the rationalization of God. I've seen a lot and experienced so much that it cannot be natural. Enough that even chemical that could produce visions... can't work... Just too many. I can't ignore the possibility, but at this point in my life it would take a lot.

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If you found out there was no god how would it change your life? What would you do differently?

Honestly? It wouldn't change a thing. I don't live my life the way I do because of God, its just that my life style fits with God. Don't take this to think I believe in him for Security. Its simply that I like how I'm living my life. If God didn't exist.. I'd probably "give props" to whoever started up the whole God thing, laugh a little, then go on living my life.

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Originally posted by mjollnir
study anthropology, that'll do it for ya.

Not really. I find anthropology awesome. Probably going to take a minor in it. God can still exist even by looking at history and science.

chavos · 12-30-2003, 04:27 PM

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Not really. I find anthropology awesome. Probably going to take a minor in it. God can still exist even by looking at history and science.

Bravo, gak. Took me a long time to find out that academic curiousity and faith were not mutually exlusive. A few of my friends are anthro majors...and their project on the protestant student group at my college taught me a great deal about the ways in which i related to the community and to God. Knowledge can do great things for a relationship with the divine.

nanofever · 12-30-2003, 08:50 PM

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Originally posted by BullHazzer
In short, yes! Go read Ecclesiastes written by Solomon, the wisest man to ever live. His conclusion of "everything under the sun" (everything not of God) was: "Vanity of vanities, all is vanity."

If the wisest man to ever live came to the conclusion that everything apart from God was vanity, I'm guessing he was right. If there was no God, first of all we wouldn't be here and secondly life would have no purpose since our only purpose in life is to bring glory and honor to Him.

You know if I had written that it would be worded the same but would be entirely sarcasm...

The wisest man on earth believes that the only purpose to life is honoring an invisible sky wizard. In essence, the smartest thing to do is to use a very finite amount of time worshipping a wizard who promises eterenal life. The only catch is that you have no way of knowing if the diety exists or not.

Yeah, real smart guy...

GakFace · 12-30-2003, 10:40 PM

Invisible Sky Wizard

STOP USING THIS FUCKING PHRASE!

He is no invisible man in the clouds, I don't give a flying fuck what Carlin says. GOD IS NOT IN THE FUCKING CLOUDS! its called Heaven, then there is in space known as the heavens.. and then there is above the clouds which is portrayed as serene place where the sun shines brightly.. even though we know its filled with turbulence and stuffs... please stop with this cloud shit, it gets annoying. Sorry but thats a pet peeve.

Actually. I do know he exists. I don't look for him to hand me a car and think SEE HE EXISTS! I see how he works through things.. I see how he speaks to me... how he performs his works. That is certainly enough for me.

nanofever · 12-31-2003, 07:01 AM

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Originally posted by GakFace
Invisible Sky Wizard

STOP USING THIS FUCKING PHRASE!

He is no invisible man in the clouds, I don't give a flying fuck what Carlin says. GOD IS NOT IN THE FUCKING CLOUDS! its called Heaven, then there is in space known as the heavens.. and then there is above the clouds which is portrayed as serene place where the sun shines brightly.. even though we know its filled with turbulence and stuffs... please stop with this cloud shit, it gets annoying. Sorry but thats a pet peeve.

Actually. I do know he exists. I don't look for him to hand me a car and think SEE HE EXISTS! I see how he works through things.. I see how he speaks to me... how he performs his works. That is certainly enough for me.

So you object to the "sky" part but not "invisible wizard" ? Would you be equally offended by the phrase "above the clouds, turbulance defying invisible wizard" ?

papermachesatan · 12-31-2003, 12:38 PM

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Originally posted by ellipsys
being able to prove there is no god is just as easy as proving that there is a God, except people might get really angry with you for disproving the basis of their lifestyle.

Actually, it's quite impossible to prove that God doesn't exist. Fortunately, it's not our responsibility to do so. The burden of proof lies on those who claims he DOES exist.

papermachesatan · 12-31-2003, 12:47 PM

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Originally posted by Moonduck
Fascinating. Nowhere near the response rate of the atheist thread. Wonder why? Are atheists more willing to concieve of a world with God than Christians concieving of a world without.

Maybe this thread is a statement on its' own.

Well, they're already being irrational in the first place...

tecoyah · 12-31-2003, 06:49 PM

The wisest man to ever live....quite an assumtion on your part, interesting though. I was raised christian, and at the age of 18 realized the "god", I had believed in was fabricated. It did change my life. True sorrow at first. 20 years later, I realize my life actually began when my mind opened. We all believe that which our intellect will allow, and no one is wrong in the way they direct such faith as they have.

GakFace · 12-31-2003, 10:40 PM

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Originally posted by nanofever
So you object to the "sky" part but not "invisible wizard" ? Would you be equally offended by the phrase "above the clouds, turbulance defying invisible wizard" ?

hahahahaha. That makes me laugh. I do assume you're just arguing, to just argue.. and from that I'm able to laugh at what you just said.

GakFace · 12-31-2003, 10:44 PM

Delete This Post.

BentNotTwisted · 01-02-2004, 11:31 AM

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Originally posted by Beltruckus
I honestly think I would be sad, I have a hard time believing there is Nothing after this life, what would be the point? I don't think there would be a point. Whee lets live for an extremely short period of time in human history have relatively no impact on the world then die... Just doesn't sit well.

There are thousands of people who are dead who had a major impact on the world irregardless of weather God exists. If everyone took your view Beltrukus we would still be living in caves or in nomadic tribes constantly warring with others. If you're saying those without political power have no impact, just consider what kid of future your children will have with such a defeatist attitude.
IMHO, even without God or some higher being the point of this life is to enjoy yourself, help others when possible (if that brings you enjoyment), and leave this world in better shape than it was given to you so future generations of humans can enjoy their existance here.

tecoyah · 01-02-2004, 12:55 PM

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Originally posted by GakFace
Invisible Sky Wizard

STOP USING THIS FUCKING PHRASE!

He is no invisible man in the clouds, I don't give a flying fuck what Carlin says. GOD IS NOT IN THE FUCKING CLOUDS! its called Heaven, then there is in space known as the heavens.. and then there is above the clouds which is portrayed as serene place where the sun shines brightly.. even though we know its filled with turbulence and stuffs... please stop with this cloud shit, it gets annoying. Sorry but thats a pet peeve.

Actually. I do know he exists. I don't look for him to hand me a car and think SEE HE EXISTS! I see how he works through things.. I see how he speaks to me... how he performs his works. That is certainly enough for me.

that must be one hellova peeve

08-15-2003, 07:07 AM	#41 (permalink)
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08-17-2003, 10:44 PM	#46 (permalink)
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12-30-2003, 10:40 PM	#50 (permalink)
GakFace Go Ninja, Go Ninja Go!! Location: IN, USA	Invisible Sky Wizard STOP USING THIS FUCKING PHRASE! He is no invisible man in the clouds, I don't give a flying fuck what Carlin says. GOD IS NOT IN THE FUCKING CLOUDS! its called Heaven, then there is in space known as the heavens.. and then there is above the clouds which is portrayed as serene place where the sun shines brightly.. even though we know its filled with turbulence and stuffs... please stop with this cloud shit, it gets annoying. Sorry but thats a pet peeve. Actually. I do know he exists. I don't look for him to hand me a car and think SEE HE EXISTS! I see how he works through things.. I see how he speaks to me... how he performs his works. That is certainly enough for me. __________________ RoboBlaster: Welcome to the club! Not that I'm in the club. And there really isn'a a club in the first place. But if there was a club and if I was in it, I would definitely welcome you to it.

12-31-2003, 06:49 PM	#54 (permalink)
tecoyah Illusionary	The wisest man to ever live....quite an assumtion on your part, interesting though. I was raised christian, and at the age of 18 realized the "god", I had believed in was fabricated. It did change my life. True sorrow at first. 20 years later, I realize my life actually began when my mind opened. We all believe that which our intellect will allow, and no one is wrong in the way they direct such faith as they have. __________________ Holding onto anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned. - Buddha

12-31-2003, 10:44 PM	#56 (permalink)
GakFace Go Ninja, Go Ninja Go!! Location: IN, USA	Delete This Post. __________________ RoboBlaster: Welcome to the club! Not that I'm in the club. And there really isn'a a club in the first place. But if there was a club and if I was in it, I would definitely welcome you to it. Last edited by GakFace; 12-31-2003 at 11:05 PM..

08-16-2003, 12:33 PM	#42 (permalink)
Sledge Pasture Bedtime	Christian arguments they equipped me with during my church days: 1 - If [pick one of the following: "the kindness of man," "this wonderful world," "the Bible"] doesn't convince you that there is a God, then miracles won't, either. The Israelites didn't even believe in Jesus when he was walking around healing the dead: what makes you think you would be any different? You'll get to hear this chestnut if you assert that a world with God and a world without God wouldn't be very different because God doesn't seem to be doing anything that's not explainable by nature. What makes me think I'd be different? Well, if a dude came and turned my Gatorade into wine, I think I'd listen to what he has to say. But anecdotal miracle stories, near-death experiences, and people telling me how much THE LORD has changed their lives aren't as believable. 2 - Life without God is meaningless! If there's no afterlife, why don't you just go and kill youself? You learn, after turning your back on God, to make your own meaning... there's no escaping death, but there is such a thing as having lived a full, regretless life.