dlish

Came across a question about what genes Jesus inherited and thought i'd pose it here. The only human genes he could have inherited is his mothers from the X chromosome, so the question is...

How did Jesus get his Y chromosome?

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Lucifer

the Holy Ghost?

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dlish

Thats my question..

i'm trying to get my head around it. The Holy Ghost is not human, neither is The Father.

can you get all your genes from your mother including your X & Y chromosome?

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Xerxys

Immaculate conception dude. How is this hard? A magical being came from outer space and one thing led to another ... BAM! She was fully engulfed with it's ectoplasm. Jesus's Y Gene is really more like Y-I-O which enables him to walk on water and move things with his mind.

/True story

The answer you might be looking for is no, you can't get all your genes from your mom.

Baraka_Guru

What is a chromosome?

If God created the Earth, he can create chromosomes. I'm pretty sure the archangel Gabriel put the Y in Mary.

How did God create Adam and Eve?

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FelixP

Come on bro...the dude allegedly rose from the dead. I think having a Y chromosome is the least of his accomplishments.

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noodle

Except your sex chromosomes. Which might be a little off topic, but X-O females have only one x chromosome Turner syndrome, which could have technically come from the mother only, depending on the deletion. Just a clarification.

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Interesting question, dlish. I am going to do more research...
Instead of writing my next paper.

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Lucifer

Well, if we are on the subject of how Jesus got his Y chromosome, Dlish, how exactly did Mohammad leap from a rock into heaven?

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rednelo03

Well, if Mary had a child by herself, from a science perspective in which there is an explanation, she must have been a hermaphrodite... and by the sex of the offspring, it was a development aberration from the Male XY base (Her nickname in high school was "Manly Mary"). Or... the immaculate conception theory is just a story told by the church to further separate Jesus from the general public. The word "Virgin" back then meant unmarried, not having hymen. This meaning is easily spun if you're trying to sell the no pre-marital sex rule (a strong social control mechanism for the church).

Rabbi:
" So Mary, how did you get pregnant if you're not married to this man?"
Mary:
"Oh, you know... It just happened."
Rabbi:
"Did you hear that? she said it just happened!!! go tell the entire population about this miracle!"
Mary:
"Um... wait, what?"

dlish

lucifer - he didnt leap from a rock..so i dont think he did. what i think you are referring to is the Isra wa Mi'raj, where Muhammad is taken on a steed to the 7th heaven and jerusalem and back. you can choose to believe it or not, because its a narration.

On the other hand however, the concept that i'm trying to get my head around is something that is tangible. jesus was a man of flesh and blood, therefore he was subject to the laws of science.

BG - the adam and eve question is a fair call. if the creator is able to create the world, the universe, the galaxies, adam and eve without parents and give them their X & Y chromosomes, then why can he not give Jesus a Y chromosome?

noodle, im waiting for your research.....

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Lucifer

Okay, so sorry to have offended, Dlish, not my intention, but the story of Jesus is just a narration as well, as told from people who apparently witnessed the events. So that being true, who is to say that the Holy Ghost didn't imbue Jesus with the Y chromosome?

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Lasereth

The moment this thread was about Jesus (religion) was the moment it wasn't subject to the laws of science. This thread has had be rofling though!! ha ha ha

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dlish

not like you can talk lazareth. you were brought from the dead.

lucifer - not offended at all dude. sorry if it came across like that. im subject to scrutiny as much as anyone else is here.

sometimes it just comes down to a question of belief, which is what happens when it comes to these sort of events that cannot be explained by science. its an interesting and thought provoking question. but if the immaculate conception is true, then how does science reconcile itself with these events other than to conclude as you said that the Holy Ghost imbued the Y chromosome into Mary

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Baraka_Guru

But, Lasereth, science is merely the decoding (and often encoding) of God's universe.

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Lucifer

I don't think that science can come into it at all. Faith and science have to exist side by side, especially in matters of religion. Do I believe in an all powerful God? Yes. Can I provide scientific proof that he/she/it exists? No. Does that alter my belief? No, because I have faith. Mainly that all things are not possible to understand scientifically.

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dlish

thats true of any religion, including my own. muslims believe in the immaculate conception as much as christians do. The belief that Jesus had no father and that god willed Mary into conception is a cornerstone to the islamic faith.

so if i was going to answer those same questions that you did then we'd have identical answers.

so where does science come into religion? only in non-miracle situations?

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biznatch

That's the thing. Science doesn't have to reconcile itself with events that a group of people said happened. For some, Science and Religion are mutually exclusive things, for others, they can coexist because (I'm assuming) God can do anything he wants, whether injecting Y chromosomes into Mary, putting Godsperm in her womb, or stuff that can't be explained by science.

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Lucifer

I would think so. At some point in any religion you've got to suspend rational and scientific thought in order to avoid conflict with faith. Therefore it's possible for me to simultaneously believe in Darwin's theory of evolution and the creation story. Do I believe that God created Adam from dust and Eve from Adam's rib? No. Do I believe that God created the world in 6 days? No. (Actually in college, we used to say that God fucked the dog for 5 days and then pulled an all-nighter.) Do I accept the story of Adam and Eve and the creation story as tenets of my religion? Yes.

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biznatch

I don't think there's a need for science in religion. Mythology always had its roots in explaining events people couldn't understand. Faith is the ability to believe that what a group of people told you is true, without submitting it to the criteria of the scientific method.

As an aside, I think faith, and the way the human mind is wired in terms of belief, has a lot more to do with nurture than nature.

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Daniel_

If you accept that God created the world, and all life in it, then ultimately, Jesus got his Y chromosome from the same place everyone else did; just we got hand-me-downs and he got a new one.

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biznatch

Interesting, because if you phrase it that way, you could have another take on why Jesus was Godly/Godlike/supernatural, and you'd have a way to assimilate genetic science to religion. Imagine: the chromosomes we inherited had been passed down and altered for thousands of years, thus allowing for many mutations to take place. You could blame humanity's many evils and sins for that.

The chromosome given to him was "handcrafted" by God, and "perfect."
Hmmm.

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Master_Shake

Obviously Jesus was a clone of his mother. Mary then pretended Jesus was male to give her a better chance in life as women were routinely stoned to death in that male dominated culture. Jesus lived the rest of her life as a man, which further explains her never having sex with a woman but preferring to have large groups of men follow her around.

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Xerxys

Completely unrelated:

When to siblings produce an offspring, the child has a 66% chance of developing issues tied to genetic disorders because the parents both have half of each others sets of chromosomes. Determining which set they do have however, is the problem.

Mary is made out of 46 chromosomes. Mary is only responsible for cintributing half of the genes neccessary for baby Heysus. This particular half can be picked out of any of the 46 that exist. The other half, can only be Mary herself so her impregnating herself would produce a clone, ruling out the gross hermaphrodite theory.

Carry On.

How do you explain the lack of boobs and the Cynthetiq like beard? Wasn't using steroids at that age was illegal? BTW, I'm 100% sure steroids existed those days cause have you seen the sculptures of the men with the tiny dongs? They couldn't have made that up at the time!!

Willravel

God and Jesus are the same entity.
God impregnated Mary.
Mary gave birth to Jesus.
Therefore, Jesus impregnated his own mother.

It's kinda like if Back to the Future took it one step too far.

telekinetic

This thread is pegging my Poe meter.

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Vigilante

Oh please. Really? When are we going to move away from literal translations of a book that has been edited a thousand times and was written by people with very little understanding of the world/universe around them?

Darwin figured it out, that's how. IMO of course.

Sorry if that came out strongly. I'm just so sick of the same rhetoric and mythology.

That's a more interesting take on the topic. I obviously don't believe a word of creationism, but I do believe God exists in some form and that God could have played a role in pushing things along to get where we are and where we are going.

Every major monotheistic religion seems to have a leader of some form. Buddha, Muhammad, Jesus. They may not agree on details, but they seem to teach people to be good to others, and to themselves. So to that, did Jesus really come from God, in the literal sense? Could have. Does it matter? Could we ever really know, for sure, in a scientific manner? Nope. I feel comfortable saying we will never know in that way.

For that matter, did he really die on the cross, and was resurrected? Who knows, we will never know for sure. Could he have not gone to heaven, but actually married Mary Magdalene and fathered what would later be the Merovingian dynasty? Again, who knows. It's out there, but could it be?*

*based on a hoax. I know. Just saying.

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Crack

pretty sure a wizard did it.

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Vigilante

Merlin. Duh.

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biznatch

I'm not christian, or religious in any way. I don't really believe in the supernatural in any way. But I'm trying to make sense of how christians view the world, and how they could inject some scientific sense in some of their more supernatural beliefs.
Needless to say, the mix of science and religion often doesn't work, but in some cases they can be somewhat compatible.

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inBOIL

The H in Jesus H. Christ stands for haploid.

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noodle

So I did some research, dlish. Had to have either come from God as suggested by some or a man, as suggested by others. There is a rare syndrome XX male but it initially involves a Y-chromosome in the first place. There is no genetic explanation or documented occurence of spontaneous Y creation or of human women having a Y chromosome. XXYs are male as well. Unless Mary was part-bird... female birds are XY, the males XX.

I wish I had an answer for you.

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Xerxys

^^ Explains a bit seeing as Jesus did in fact fly into heaven.

dlish

noodle, thanks for that.. i think you need to go finish your paper now...

stop procrastinating dammit!

biznatch and Lucifer, ok lets say that someone follows Religion ABC.

In some cases you use science to prove a theory. In other cases there are theories that cannot be explained, and you use rationale, reason and your own judgement to justify the concept and its position within your faith.

where does it stop? what stopped Heavens Gate cult from drumming up an aplocolypse and justifying it through an end of the world scenario? where does the line get drawn? if a concept is not in line with science, is faith enough?

i know there are some things in the islamic faith that i cannot explain and must take on faith. it doesnt absolve my faith in the concept though. This concept includes the belief that Jesus was born of a virgin. The islamic belief that god is able to create all things just by willing it is essential to the abrahamic faiths. if science can not be reconciled with religion on this topic, who is to say that some day something may be discovered in the same way that sheep clones would never have been envisaged 50 years ago.

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Crack

It's actually Harold

heh

actually



The haploid thing is the funniest if you are a nerd like me though

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Vigilante

LMAO. Yes, haploid DNA....all over her face.

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genuinegirly

Are we sure that Jesus had DNA?


If this were the case, they wouldn't have needed to flee to Egypt to escape the massacre of every male child led by Harod.

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keep your ghost stories to yourselves

SSJTWIZTA

When god magically manifested the teensie fetus into Marys body it already had the necessary chromosomes.

psshh, duh.
use logic.

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