Is jesus coming back?
 

There is this guy that walks around the mall in my area. His name is Jesus. He wears rags as cloths, doesn't shave, and lives at the homeless shelter. He is the nicest man you could ever meet and always has some kind advice. He says he has come back for his children.

Now, my question. If Jesus came back would the Christians know or would society shrug him off as a crazy homeless guy?

Discuss.

I would find it incredibly amusing if Jesus came back only to be locked away in a looney bin.

Going to go the way of the 'crazy homeless guy' side of things, with him either already locked away, or on his way there now. Gotta love it :thumbsup:


At any rate, who the hell says Jesus will be returning to any place but his "home" land? Of course with the way things are around there he's just as likely to be revered as he is to die from a suicide bombing.

ahh. So why the hell is he in my MALL!

jk.

I see your point though.

coming back to where? Isreal? America? The Planet Earth?

no I don't think so. it's be nice if he did... but odds are against it.

Well isn't he suppose to come back? I have not read the bible in 15 years or so but I thought he was suppose to come back agian. :)

i'd love to see it.

i bet the christians would dismiss him as fake

For this one brief moment in time, the "Is Jesus Coming Back?" thread is appearing contiguously with the "Was Jesus Black?" thread.

This can only lead to the one, true answer to both questions:

He's back, he's black, and he's bad!

According to the Bible, when he comes back, it'll be pretty damn obvious.

I'm pretty sure that if Jesus came back, he would be expecting not be be believed. Fling about a couple of miracles, and he'll be right as rain! :D

umm the guy died... Last I checked when people die they can't come back... especially after 2000 years or so.

Well, Christians believe differently. I was not looking for the opinion of non-Christians really. I am a non-Christian and I know how we feel about it. I was curious to what they think and believe.

*Muslims believe that Jesus is coming back too*

It depends... is he white? Cause christ wasn't... contrary to popular belief.

Who cares? He's not coming back at any rate.

if i remember correctly, the Bible does not say he will return physically, he will return spiritually and establish his kingdom and ultimately full reign on earth.

Asaris has it very right. The promise that Jesus will return in bodily form to Earth is cocurrant with the prophesy of the apocolypse...which by all accounts will certainly be noticable. So if you see seals being broken, Ned Flanders dissapearing in to thin air, and the armies of Gog and Magog assembling, it may not be the right time to get that new tatoo that everyone is getting....

Why would he come back?

To tell us how much we all are horrible excuses for living creatures and to bring about our eternal damnation... You know, same ol, same ol.

Well, if I was Jesus, and had a look at the world, I'd be back.
I'd be casting level 3 Fireball on a lot of people, like Jerry Falwell.

If this topic intrigues you, you should check out the book "The Return" by Joe De Mers. It's fiction and deals with this very same topic. Damn good read, even for the non-religious. Sorry, there are no pictures in it.

I dunno it's been what like 1,970 odd some years since he left. It would seem to me he's avoiding us like that crazy uncle nobody likes. Seriously though if he came back in physical form I'd imagine that in some way he would be known fairly well through the media but either no one would realize he was the son of God or those who followed him would be categorized as cultists by mainstream society.

I believe if he did come back it would cause too much of a stir and people wouldn't accept him. And it would make alot of people confused/crazy.

Today on Geraldo: Jesus.

If i understand correctly, he comes back with trumpets blowing, then all those who believe in Him go up to meet him in the sky.

"A lot of Christians wear crosses around their necks. You think when Jesus comes back he ever wants to see a fucking cross? It's like going up to Jackie Onassis wearing a rifle pendant."
-bill hicks

maybe he'll come back after we get rid of all these crosses!
;)

and man, is he pissed.
 

"Jesus is Coming. Everyone look busy."

I don't remember where I saw that for the first time, but it's still funny to me.

Modern "Christianity" is so far from what Yeshua ben Miriam actually taught his disciples that he'd be appalled at what has been done in his name.

Let's Review:

1) Jesus accepted a bunch of societal outcasts into his group. Lepers, prostitutes, tax collectors, people of all faiths and nationalities. Modern Christianity is all about making people conform to a "Moral Standard" that Christ himself never imposed on anyone.

2) Moneychangers in the temple / "Give to Caeser what is Caeser's. . ." I defy you to name a modern Christian organization that doesn't demand money from you when you attend one of their gatherings. In the ministry of one very famous "healer", a recent HBO special recently exposed that those who donate the most are the most likely to be called up onstage to "receive the spirit". :hmm:

3) The name and creed of Jesus Christ has been used to justify more torture, oppression, mutilation, and murder than any other factor in the years since he walked the earth. Jesus preached a doctrine (I am loathe to call it that, it was more a philosophy at the time) of inclusive, genuine peace and love. People who claimed to be following his lead have been reponsible for the decimation of entire populations during the European colonial period , the Inquisitions of the middle ages, the Crusades, and many other atrocities too numerous to list.

If Jesus is coming, I expect he'd be here to chew bubble gum and kick the collective ass of those who sought power and abused his name and teachings to gain it.

Hopefully, they're will be a shortage of Bazooka(r) when he arrives. . .

I read this thread and realize that a lot of people have been done wrong by religion, and people supposedly representing Jesus. First off, I point people to what Jesus himself said about his return in the book of Revelation (which, by the way is the english translation of the greek word apokolypsis, thus the concept of an apocalypse) He said that he would be coming back to earth in a physical form that would be recognizable in that he still bears the scars of his crusifixion, but he is coming back in power to gather up his people and to rule the nations with a rod of iron. He will cast satan into the pit for a thousand years, and all on their own the nations will rebel, and then he will judge all of creation, wipe out heaven and earth and create and place a new heaven and earth, and a new jerusalem, and will make his dwelling place with man for eternity. Read revelation for all of the cryptic details. He promised that this race (generation for a less than stellar translation) would not pass from the earth before his return. That means that no matter how hard we try to wipe ourselves out, he's coming before that. Alright, to all of those that are rightfully pissed off at money grubbing, misrepresenting, hateful, judgemental so-called christians, I don't blame you. Right now there is a huge movement all over the world that is drawing christians back to the original ideas that Jesus taught, without all of the man made trappings and requirements, and I would encourage anyone interested in finding out about it to email me. No, I am not looking for converts, and I have nothing to sell. Jesus always dealt with people personally, and ignored what others had to say about the situation. And that is where we have to meet him, so if people claiming to be christians are trying to tell you how to act, tell em to shut up and try reading the bible. If you want to know who Jesus is, read the bible yourself, don't ever just believe what you have been told.

so all it takes is the complete irradication of humanity to prove christianity wrong? i'll get to work!

ooohh oooooh...can I help? It'll give me something constructive to do over the summer months, before I start back into college, seeing as how I can't get a job.

good at chemistry? start working on a serum that'll render men sterile. I'll draw up plans for mass distribution :crazy:

Count me in! ;)

Jesus was a Jew and Jews are generally light skinned but Jesus was not an Anglo Saxon as many painting and such depict him. As for returning, yeah, I say he is returning. I doubt he will return in the way like alot of Southern Baptist in America say he will return. I have never read and direct or indirect reference to a Rapture that they think and lot of churches claim will Happen. But, one thing is for certain, we he does get here, lot of Bastards on Trinty Broadcast Network are going to have to answer for the crap they spit out to the entire friggin world.

Recognizing Jesus would probably have to do more with humility than anything else. Jesus mentioned in the Bible that whatever we do for those less fortunate than us, we do for him. I definitely think that even a lot of Christians would at least initially miss Jesus if he were to come back physically, I mean just look at what the religious experts of his day did to him! He fulfilled their prophecies and they tortured and killed him. If Jesus were to return physically and not spiritually as the Bible says, I think it would be in a form so lowly that the proud would never notice him.

Hell, I'll even go out on a limb and say there is a slim-to-none possibility that Darkblack hangs out with Jesus at his mall.

Yeah, He's coming back.


(though, if you're up for destructive plans, styrofoam and gasoline make great napalm...........so I've heard ;) )

Maybe he already came back and everyone was too busy playing EQ to realize it. Boy, wouldn't that suck if we all missed out on eternal salvation because we were obbsessed with the glowing phosphors in our computer/TV screens.

The guy looks just like the pictures!!! It could be him!

Here's the answer according to Islam, taken from islam-online.net - Personally I think it's a bunch of bullshit.

[question] - What are the signs of the coming of the Antichrist Dajjal? Are there any signs whatsoever of the coming of the Prophet Jesus, peace and blessings be upon him? If so, what are those signs? Name of Mufti Islam Online Fatwa Committee Content of Reply
Wa`laykum As-Salaamu Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh.

[reply] - In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.

All praise and thanks are due to Allah, and peace and blessings be upon His Messenger.

Dear sister in Islam, thank you very much for having confidence in us and we implore Allah to guide you to the straight path and to strengthen your steps along the path of truth, Amen.

Answering a similar question on the characteristics of the Antichrist, Sheikh Muhammad `Ali Al-Hanooti, member of the Fiqh council, states the following:

“The appearance of Al-Massih Ad-Dajjal or Antichrist is part of big trials that would herald the end of the world. All of the Prophets of Allah, may Allah be pleased with them all, gave warning to their peoples against the Antichrist. He is called Dajjal because he is a liar and called Massiah because he happens to be one-eyed. He will claim Lordship (Rububiyyah) by performing many miraculous acts to attract people.

The Dajjal has a writing on his face between his eyes that reads “Kafir” or disbeliever. Also, he can travel very fast and will have with him something that looks similar to heaven and similar to hell. The Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, says, "His fire is a Paradise and his Paradise is a Hell-Fire.". It stands to reason that the Antichrist will seek help from the Satans.

Part of the trials that will follow the appearance of the Antichrist is that by ordering for rain, it’ll rains, by ordering for the earth to be covered by plantation and plants, it will be, he will make all the beasts to follow him; by ordering the buried treasures to be uncovered, they will be brought forth to the surface.”

Shedding more light on the issue, we would like to cite for you this Fatwa, which we find relevant to this point:

“Indeed, the appearance of Antichrist is confirmed by authentic Hadiths from the Prophetic Sunnah, but no one knows the exact time of his appearance as it is part of the Unseen and knowing the Unseen is something related to Allah alone.

A Muslim should seek refuge with Allah from the tribulations in general, and from the torments of the Antichrist in particular; he should pray to Allah, openly and in secret, to help him remain steadfast both in this world and in the Hereafter.

Here are some few facts about the Antichrist:

1. “We believe that every Prophet has warned his people about this person.


2. The Prophet Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him, stated that mankind will never experience a greater trial than that of the trial of the Antichrist.

3. He will make his emergence from Iran or its precincts.

4. A large number of his followers will be the Jews.

5. When he comes, he will come at a time when there is famine and starvation and war, and he will amplify his authority by manipulating people because of the great need of food and peace on the earth at that time.

6. Before he arrives, the earth will suffer from an unprecedented drought that will cause vegetables and cattle to die off. At this time, he will come with huge amounts of food and water and other means.

7. He will first declare that he is a prophet, and then eventually claim Divinity. Those who accept him as their lord, he will cause rain to fall on their land and supply with food and other essentials. Those who reject him, he will forbid rain from falling on their land and will prevent food and other means from being supplied to them.

8. His powers will be so great that he will rule the earth for a few years. Then when he gathers an army together to fight against those that reject him, Jesus, peace and blessings be upon him, will descend and eventually destroy him.

9. Jesus will unite the world under one Government, one religion.(Of course we Muslims believe that he will unite the world under the banner of Islam).

10. Jesus will live on the earth for a time, marry, have children and then eventually die a natural death.”

The above ten facts are excerpted with slight modifications from this URL:

http://www.unsolvedmysteries.com/usm172058.html

As for the issue of the second coming of Jesus, peace and blessings be upon him, as well as the signs that coincide with his return, we would like to cite for you the following fatwa issued by Dr. Muzzamil Siddiqui, president of the Islamic Society of North America. The Fatwa goes as follows:

“Imam Al-Bukhari and Imam Muslim quoted the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, as saying: “Soon the Son of Mary will descend among you as a just judge. He will break the cross, kill the pig, remove the Jizyah and the wealth will overflow to the extent that people will get disinterested in it, and until the prostration (al-Sajdah) will be better than the world and whatever is in it. Then Abu Hurayrah said, 'Read if you wish, 'And there is none of the People of the Book but must believe in him before his death and on the Day of Judgment he will be a witness on them." (An-Nisa' 4:159)

The second coming of Jesus is clearly a well- established fact, according to the Qur'an and authentic Sunnah. We Muslims should not have any doubt about this matter. The Hadiths make it very clear that:

1. Jesus' coming will be "a sign of the approaching Day of Judgment". If any one makes a claim of being the Messi`ah during the approach of the Day of Judgment, neither in his life nor soon after him, then it is proved that he was a false pretender and not a true Messi`ah.

2. Jesus will not come to add or subtract anything from Islam. He will not claim himself to be a new Prophet or Messenger. He will not even lead a prayer of Muslims, he will follow in prayers the Imam of Muslims.

3. Jesus will fight the Dajjal and will kill him near Jerusalem.
We do not know when Jesus will come, but he will surely come. It is important to believe whatever Allah has said in the Qur'an and whatever is explained in the authentic Sunnah of the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him.”

Dearest sister, Do keep in touch!

May Allah guide you to the straight path and direct you to that which pleases Him, Amen.

Allah Almighty knows best.

"Modern Christianity"
 

As a Christian, I believe Christ is returning.

But, I just read this thread and was frustrated by what it revealed. One of the posts refered to "Modern Christianity" and some perceived negative opinions about Christianity. I will not deny that in SOME Christian circles a lot of what was written had a grain of truth, but it does not define the entire religion.

Comments:

1) "Modern Christianity is all about making people conform to a "Moral Standard" that Christ himself never imposed on anyone."

> Christ may never have imposed it as condemningly as some churches, but he definately taught the "Moral Standard" as asked His followers to strive toward it. But he knew we would all fail. It's the journey and heart that matters. Many churches live by this. I attend a conservative pentacostal church, but everyone is welcome and we have curious gang members, retired bikers, and more disfunctional families than you can shake a stick at. The difference is they are striving for the goal and lives are changing with the Word.

2) Moneychangers in the temple and "Give to Caesar what is Caesars" have absolutely nothing to do with giving to your church. The moneychangers were selling "offerings" to the people and cutting profit and the Caesar scripture was Jesus teaching the people that they had to submit to their governing authorities by paying taxes to Caesar. Most churches do not do the pulpit pounding, shame filled, giving and my experience has been that those churches a) don't last long, b) become extremely unhealthy, materialistic and human focused.

3) I have not disagreement with the fact that many attrocities have been done in the name of religion...whether it is the crusades and slavery in the name of Christianity, the invasions and conquests of Mohammad in the name of Allah, or genocide of a race of people in the name of some other religion. Human-nature sucks but it is definately not solely a characteristic of Modern Christianity...

Amen to GrumpyCoder!

very well written grumpycoder. Its the best written response i have seen in awhile

Isn't it predicted that in 50 years or so, all the coral reefs will be dead and the heat from global warming will have wiped out all the plankton and algae that produce 60% of the world's oxygen? If that is so, that is when Jesus should be coming back. We'll see.

ha when i read that i thought you were implying that usama "bin" laden was the reincarnation of jesus and i was like....
sketch nobody would say that lemme read that again

so i did and i realize that i should lay off the crack :D

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hey, you brothers and sisters! let's get on track!

1. first, the color of the Jesus skin was not what he was about! to know his color is not to know the superior love of him! so don't worry about the color, it's ok!

2. if the Jesus come back or not, you still have to be the good one! is this yes? hello Jesus or no Jesus, you have to be responsible to you to be the good man or lady.

by this i mean, be nice whether or not Jesus comes.

3. have some love for you and me and it will all be ok!

that is what i mean.

Grumpy Coder....you are right.....He is coming back...EVERYONE will know it too. Not just Jews but everyone.

I think Air45 provided the most convincing argument of them all.

We should all follow in him, and learn from him. For he.. is truely the most spirtual of us all.

Have some love for you and me and it will all be okay!

if God or Moses or anyone like that came back as a crazy homeless man, i dont think anyone would care, much less listen to him.

it's sad sad world we live in.

except christ won't nessicarily take the exact same form he did 2000 years ago. i mean, he might, but you never know.

and on a side note, i just tried explaining to my brother why the white guy with the blowdried hair in those mass-mailed jesus videos <i>wasn't</i> perfect for the role..

… but would Jesus wear a Rolex on his television show?

The Jesus of Nazareth who was became the foundation of the Christian religions was a carpenter. While working, he was out in the sun. Guess what color he was? *BROWN* just like everyone else who works in the sun consistently. Specific shade of brown? Anyone who cares hasn't listen to a word that's been attributed to Jesus.

The Third Commandment from Exodus 20 states (KJV), "Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain". This includes not only cursing using "the Lord's name", but also televangelism, the Crusades, and any other item were someone uses either Jesus's or Jehovah's name to justify their own power grab. If Jehovah/Allah/<insert one of the Nine Billion Names of God here> does exist, there are a shitload of 'Holy' people shocked to find themselves in Hell.

The Moral Standard in Christianity is stated in Matthew 23:37-40 (KJV):All the atrocites cited to Christianity have been due to the "Christian" leadership falling away from the Moral Standard.

Will Jesus be back? By some accounts, He's back every time someone accepts Him on faith. While it's not exactly the thing that split the sky for everyone, for those who believe it's still very powerful. Reigning a thousand years on Earth? Umm, well, not all Christians believe that.

I almost got thrown out of church when I was 11 for bringing this idea forward. In hindsight, it looks so far like I was right. The reverend's theory was that every 2000 years something significant: Creation, The Flood, Christ's birth, Christ's return. He was certain that it would be before 2000 AD, "like a thief in the night". I pointed out that a thief
won't come if they think someone is watching, and that therefore Jesus won't return until there are no longer any believers. Well, it looks like so far I was right, although the reverend was livid with anger at the time.

Will He be back? If He exists and if His actions are consistent with the words that have been attributed to Him, He will return. Otherwise, He won't. From here forward it's all a matter of what you have faith in.

jesus wasnt black. he looked jewish, darker skin, style of hair in his area was short slightly curly, dark hair. bigish nose. close cropped beard more than likely.

Another "Well Said" for grumpycoder.

And I'm truly sorry to those of you that have been hurt by religion.

dead people don't come alive again...it just won't happen, and Jesus was nothing but a man glorified in a book...keep the faith

I think the ultimate question DarkBlack asked was not really ,"Is he coming back" but "Would he be accepted or shunned?"

The answer is "Both." But I think a lot of people who know Jesus (or think they know him) will be very disappointed if he did come back. Why?

1. If he came back and was accepted, he would only be accepted by a number of people. I think we all can agree that there are a lot of people out there who would not sign on with Jesus, even if he was doing great things. There are a lot of christians out there today that the bible refers to as "lukewarm christians". In this day and age lukewarm christians are practically deists. They operate their lives with very little devotion to God or Jesus. They deny God in their personal lives and are spiritually malnourished. Since they do not have the time, or make the time for God in their lives I do not think that they would go the length to really sign on with Jesus.

Jesus made it clear that following him was not an easy thing to do, and it required many people to give up the things that they wished to cling to so closely. Even in Jesus' time there were men and women who followed him because they wanted something from him. Very few followed him for the sake of actually "bringing God's kingdom to earth." I think that would be the way it is today, many would follow him asking for miracles, signs, or even food (remember the feeding of the 5000 men?). Jesus, being who He is, would certainly have compassion for these people and would even pity them for their short-sightedness, but his true business would be with those few who are actually interested and devoted to God.

2. Of course he would be denied and shunned as well. I'm not just talking about those atheists who wish to prove that God does not exist. I'm talking about his own people! Local churches who are not living as they should might even be the ones to shun him. Lukewarm Christians who come to church sundays and maybe wednesdays, but are afraid to give up the sin in their lives would be the ones to shun him.

Let us remember that Jesus was denied by his own people! The people who had been looking for the messiah for thousands of years. So of course if he came back there would be many christians who would accuse him of heresy in the church, just like then.

Those who are truely waiting and watching for his return will know when he returns. Those who are busy with other things will continue to be busy with other things when he returns. I guess it comes down to a personal question at a very personal level, which is my question for you reading this: Are you truely waiting and watching for him? If so, why? If not, why not?

The question as to whether Jesus would be treated differently this time is a good one. Probably not. Miracles or otherwise, he was a rabblerouser. He told the power structure that they were full of it. They dealt with him. Why would this time be different? They might not crucify him in the flesh, but they'd crucify him in the media-- the death of a million phosphor dots. Cruel. Like Bill Clinton, only cubed.

The question as to whether Jesus is coming back is not worth worrying about, even if you're a biblical literalist. If his teachings actually work for you, you don't need him to be there. Nor do you need to dwell on the end times as a release from the frustrations of the day. Just live.

Technically, the question is not vallid. if you follow the christian docterine, then the Christians will most definatly know Jesus when he comes back. If you follow a more liberal viewpoint, then it can go so many ways and has no guidelines. *shrugs*

Ok, this is a topic that is of special interest to me. The physical appearance of Jesus will come at the end of the seven year tribulation that will happen to the Earth. The first thing that will happen immediately before the Tribulation will be the Rapture in which the dead Christians will rise up first and then the alive Christians will be taken up to heaven via Jacob's Ladder (because Satan controls the atmosphere and J'sL protects those that go up to heaven). The first three and a half years of Tribulation shall be allright, however, Christians will seriously have their rights infringed upon with the Antichrist basically establishing a one world government and furthering an international religion that welcomes all religions and accepts their words as truth. At the 3.5 years mark, that's when all hell breaks loose, because the Antichrist will be "killed" and he will return from the grave three days later and proclaim that he is indeed God. The punishments brought by God the Father will continue worsen for the non-Christians, until the final battle on the hills of Megiddo (many scholars think) in which Christ will come back with all the Christians and will defeat the armies of Satan. Christ will then set up a judgment throne to judge the Christians based upon how many people they shared the word of Christ with and how many people they brought into the Kingdom and he will proclaim those as "Good and faithful servants" those that were saved but didn't even try will still have a place in His Kingdom, just not one that was greater earned by those Christians that showed the Word of God to people. A reign of a thousand years shall take place, and Earth shall be like it was in the Garden of Eden, the way that God wished it to be. Then God the Father shall judge Satan and his minions and cast them into the Lake of Fire forever, Earth as we know it shall be destroyed and The City of Heaven shall be open to all believers in Christ and peace shall reign throughout the land. That's the short version that I have memorized, I could go into so much more details about the Return of Christ. See, my point of view is, throw away all the Dogma, all the other extra stuff, and look at Christ specifically, His message for all those that had ears, and His message was that no one got through the Father except through Him, and whoever shall confess with his mouth that Christ is the savior and whoever believe in Him, that they shall have everlasting life. That's my take on it, that's the meat and potatoes right there, no matter what you do, so long as you repent and say hey, I messed up, but will you still take me, and Christ's response will always be "Yes my child." Unless it is too late and you have continually rejected Him and did not follow that one simple request, then it's bad news my friends. I am deeply sorry for those of you that have been hurt by religion, but as someone said on another thread "There's religion and then there is faith" I choose faith and my faith is that Christ is my personal Lord and Savior and that He will return for me.

If he was Christ this would be the second coming. Out of the 100,000 plus spots in heaven, most of us are going to hell. Especially all those so called Christians who celebrate the
Shabbat on Sunday when Christ was a Jew who says it's Saturday.

Proof, and what does race have to do with anything?

I personally have a hard time believing this guy is what the bible says he is, because if i were back in those times, and found my self in a position of a monk or whatever who would be writting things that would one day become the bible i would've chosen to right stories with the same morals behind them as they did. I see it as guidelines for a successful society.

And wow relegion is amazing. Makes people follow the rules for a successful society, and if they don't eternal damnation :D They don't even need proof they just need to know that its a possiblity, and make that possiblity so horrible that it would never be worth it to even question it.

Relgion also makes people very forgiving. Karma is a great idea that way people will just sit by and have some resolve if say sombody stole your car you'd be able to rest knowing that they will be punished on a grander scale :D

I tell you what whoever did contribute these scriptures was very intelligent, as its stood the test of time.

Jesus (as the bible depcits him) is a possibitly, but the chances are low. less than 5%

You might notice him coming back, iwth the sky being rent apart and a large portion of the world on fire. If you do miss the "signs" of his returning, you might want to start hanging out with some christians so they can point it out to you.

He promised his apostles he would come back in their lifetimes, not once but four times, and failed to do so. So why would I think he would come back at all? I mean he broke his word to his best buddies.

Are you referring to the Rapture? The Rapture is when all Jesus believing individuals are taken directly to heaven. Then, after the Rapture, chaos ensues and the events of the book Revelation occur.

If you're a Christian, I highly suggest you read the Left Behind series. It's a 12 book series (only 8 or 9 written thus far), that deals with the events described in the book of Revelations as if they were literal. From the Rapture, to the lotus, to the brief reign of the devil, to the final establishment of God's kingdom on Earth.

It's an amazing book series. Great reading.

To paraphrase Mark Twain, if Jesus did come back, the one thing we can safely assume he wouldn't be is Christian. Feh!

I am not refering to the Rapture, I am referening to the references in Luke, and Mathew were Jesus states in plain language that he will return in the lifetime of his apostles.

Was this before he was crucified or after FEL? Cuz if it was before, then he did come back in their lifetimes (3 days after the Resurrection) and stayed for 40 days and then left to Heaven via Mt. Olive.

He was talking about his return. Mark 13:30, Matthew 10:23, 16:28, 24:34, Luke 21:32

He actually did come back if you believe the bible and walked down a road with two of his apostles after the crucifiction. They didn't know it was Jesus until after he left them.

So that was the second comming? Pretty anti climatic...

ok if jesus came back... EVERYONE would know it.. not just christians and catholics alone..

but before he returns.... hell will break loose.. and the false prophet will roam rampid pretending to be Jesus... this prophets name is.. Satan..

THEN, jesus will return.. kick satans ass.. and seperate the world into 2 parties.. the saved and the fallen...

and if Jesus was to be tossed into the loonie bin.. he'd get out... he's God...

I doubt that anybody would notice, unfortunately. To have a human being return from death would be fascinating!