tecoyah

This is a serious article, written by one in the know.......I don't know about you, but I am utterly convinced that 'ol T-Rex is waiting to gobble up my pooch.

Why I believe in Creation
Posted: December 17, 2004
1:00 a.m. Eastern

© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com

I was stunned the other day when I asked evolution-believing listeners to my nationally syndicated radio show to call in and tell me why they believed.

"Just give me one reason why you accept the theory," I said. "Just give me the strongest argument. You don't have to give me mountains of evidence. Just tell me why I should accept it."

Not one evolutionist called in.

Meanwhile, the phone banks lit up with dozens of evolution skeptics.

Go figure. For more than 40 years, evolution has been taught as fact in government schools to generations of children, yet there is still widespread skepticism, if not cynicism, about the theory across the country.

But, because of political correctness and the fear of ostracism, most people are afraid to admit what they believe about our origins. That's why I wrote my last column – "I believe in Creation."

The reaction to it has been unprecedented. While I expected mostly negative fallout, most letters have been quite positive.

So, I decided to take this issue a step further. Since the evolutionists don't want to tell me why they believe in their theory, I figured I would explain why I believe in mine.

The primary reason I believe, of course, is because the Bible tells me so. That's good enough for me, because I haven't found the Bible to be wrong about anything else.

But what about the worldly evidence?

The evolutionists insist the dinosaurs lived millions and millions of years ago and became extinct long before man walked the planet.

I don't believe that for a minute. I don't believe there is a shred of scientific evidence to suggest it. I am 100 percent certain man and dinosaurs walked the earth at the same time. In fact, I'm not at all sure dinosaurs are even extinct!

Think of all the world's legends about dragons. Look at those images. What were those folks seeing? They were clearly seeing dinosaurs. You can see them etched in cave drawings. You can see them in ancient literature. You can see them described in the Bible. You can see them in virtually every culture in every corner of the world.

Did the human race have a collective common nightmare? Or did these people actually see dragons? I believe they saw dragons – what we now call dinosaurs.

Furthermore, many of the dinosaur fossils discovered in various parts of the world were found right along human footprints and remains. How did that happen?

And what about the not-so-unusual sightings of contemporary sea monsters? Some of them have actually been captured.

There are also countless contemporary sightings of what appear to be pterodactyls in Asia and Africa.

You know what I think? I think we've been sold a bill of goods about the dinosaurs. I don't believe they died off millions and millions of years ago. In fact, I'm not at all convinced they've died off completely.

Evolutionists have put the cart before the horse. They start out with a theory, then ignore all the facts that contradict the theory. Any observation that might call into question their assumptions is discounted, ridiculed and covered up. That's not science.

How could all the thousands of historical records of dragons and behemoths throughout mankind's time on earth be ignored? Let's admit it. At least some of these observations and records indicate dinosaurs were walking the earth fairly recently – if not still walking it today.

If I'm right about that – which I am – then the whole evolutionary house of cards comes tumbling down.

This is the evidence about which the evolutionists dare not speak.

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=41977

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whocarz

This guy talks about evidence, then all he provides is hearsay and conjecture.

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GakFace

I see it more like this. See as things evolve they change in their name as they're not the same species as they were before. Look at human history... if you follow our ancestors back... we weren't always Homo Sapiens, yet we have other names from which our roots are from. (can't go into too much detail its going on 9AM and I have yet to sleep) Well bring this into dinosaurs. Dinos --> Dragons --> Lizards. Ignore the dragons if you want to.. whatever, just see my point. If you look at a lot of lizards, you can see dinosaur-esque looks in them, but you wouldn't call them a dinosaur.. just like you wouldn't call Homo Sapien an Australopithecus...

Now there is also the fact that Dino's still do exist.. but if they do, they don't live on land. There is quite the possibility that dinos that live in the water can still exist. There have been cases of completely isolated lakes containing VERY primitive species.. they've been untampered and thus unchanged.
There are also areas like the antarctic waters. Due to the very cold temperatures there are old species living there (which I believe are also a lot larger than they would normally be). The reason for this is that the animals in these regions reproduce slower than normal.. thus a greater time is needed to evolve. (I remember reading about that in the news a few months back. As waters warm, the species in these arctic waters are in severe threat of extinction because a minor heat up in the water would be lethal and they wouldn't have enough time to adapt (read: evolve) to the warmer water.
Also, let us not forget that there are animals in the deep sea that we rarely ever see. It seems that every now and then something washes ashore from the sea that we've never encountered before, and we've already seen some animals that are also primitive. (Primitive in anthropological terms doesn't mean inferior, it merely states that it is old instead of modern)
One more note about the deep sea. There are places where the deap sea is greatly heated... well some animals are able to live down with said heat...

So basically there are a lot of animals that either haven't been confirmed or we merely haven't even encountered yet, so the possibility that animals that we now call dinosaurs could still exist. But also when something adapts to any change... thats evolution.. evolving to its new surrounds no matter how minor it may seem. So they might still exist or they might now be called something else.. hard to say, but none the less its still very interesting.

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This other point I'm only briefly touching as it is better fit in Philosophy. The guy asked for Evolutionists and got Creationist Skeptics (Creationists who were skeptics of Evolution).. What about both? I mean couldn't it have started by creation but then evolved? To me that seems to make more sense. It had to start SOMEWHERE.. but it has since evolved to something else.

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Zeraph

If ignorance is bliss that guy must be in heaven.

MEatWad

Yeah, I believe that everyone has a right to believe in what they want to but, the bible also tells one how to buy and sell slaves, what to do if they commit a crime (Deuteronomy 23:15-16) , the degree to which they can be beaten (Exodus 21:20-21), and laws concerning sexual activity with female slaves (Leviticus 19:20-22). Keep in mind that this is all stuff from the old testament, but none-the-less it is still The Bible.

So whenever i hear someone say "becuase it said so"(regardless of what it pertains too) I pretty much just tune them out, unless if course there is solid evidence. People have to think for themselves and not just buy into every little peace of crap that is thrown out to them. All in all believe what you want just don't force it upon me.

shakran

plus, the argument that the bible is right because you've never found it to be wrong about anything else is disingenuous. What "facts" the bible puts forth happened on the order of 2 millenia ago. The bible says God parted the red sea through Moses. The bible says Jesus made water into wine. The bible says God created everything.

So how are you supposed to prove all that wrong? And of course, if asked, the creationist will say "I believe it when the bible tells me that God created everything because I didn't find it to be wrong about Jesus making water into wine, and I believe it when the bible tells me Jesus made water into wine because I didn't find it to be wrong about God creating everything."

In short, saying "because the bible says so" or "the bible is correct because I've never found any other inaccuracies in it" is nothing short of a circular argument.


As for the dinosaur/dragon theory. Well, OK, I'll accept that as soon as someone digs up a dinosaur with a gland that can create fire. Has this guy (btw, WHO is this "person in the know?") forgotten that dragons are supposed to have been able to breathe fire? Never heard of ol' T-Rex doing anything like that.

Footprints next to dinosaur bones are easy to explain: Dinosaur bones are uncovered through whatever means. Someone walks there. Presto! footprints next to dinosaur bones!

If people really lived with dinosaurs, we'd surely find human remains in dinosaur excrement. We've found all sorts of other stuff in there, but never any people.


The article postulates that dinosaurs are still living now with us. K, where's the T-Rex at the San Diego Zoo?

That leads the article to disprove itself. It can't say there are any T-Rex's around because there arent' any. That means the T-rex died off. It wasn't fit enough to survive in the changed environment. Only those animals that are fit to survive will.

Hey! that's exactly what evolution says!

MEatWad

Here's a link to the original article. link
As for him being "in the know", well it's a matter of opinion. I still think it's pretty sad that a lot people, in this day and age, form thier beliefs on what is primarily mythology. Oh well LOL.

El Kaz

In itself, christianism mostly promotes good values.
I mean, view the symbols in the Bible as what they are (symbols!), interpret the stuff said there as stuff written a few milleniums ago, try to transpose them by today's standards, and it's a pretty nice set of moral references, IMO.

On the other hand, purist christians who read everything in the Bible as its literal sense and apply them literaly in this day and age.. people like the guy who wrote this article.. these people scare me, big time.

Talking of which, Jack Chick is the extreme example of the extreme. I mean whoa.. just.. I cannot even define how HORRIBLE this is.. horrible

GakFace

Dragon/Dino - Breathe fire? blah... but there is also how we like to make those "little white lies"... A knight could have gotton his ass kicked in the dark ages and then declared that it was some huge beast with wings, claws and could even breathe fire and he was lucky that he wasn't burnt to a crisp. Now the people don't need to know that some peasant just gave him a good lickin'. News travels... others buy into, even more use said excuse or a variation... then you have a local myth about fire breathing dragons.

Pure story idea there, but hey.. I can easily see it happening... if you can blame the dog when you're younger as to why the goldfish died, you could probably make up a story about a dragon.

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Mobo123

The guy who wrote this is joseph farah, the king prince of far right wing christian ideology. Worldnetdaily.com This site, along with Fox news, are two of the main news media allies of george shrub. I go this site every once in a while so he can shrink my scrotum out of pure fear.

Ace_O_Spades

"Evolutionists have put the cart before the horse. They start out with a theory, then ignore all the facts that contradict the theory. Any observation that might call into question their assumptions is discounted, ridiculed and covered up. That's not science."

Ummmmmm I don't even know where to start with this statement. It is such a slap in the face of science that, in contrast to the static nature of pseudoscience, actually modifies, evolves, and grows over time.

I just... ARGH... What do you even say to someone who says something that stupid?

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Radio Monk33

I think we're all stupider just for reading it.

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Ace_O_Spades

so much stupider that we're using the word stupider

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http://www.anomalist.com/reports/mokele.html
Supposedly, a mokele mbembe was killed in Africa a few decades ago.
http://www.mokelembembe.com/
Here's the website dedicated to mokele mbembe
Mokele mbembe is described by African Pygmies as what is essentially a living dinosaur. I remember seeing a segment on it during a TLC crptozoology show. A few anthropologists showed the tribesmen pictures of various animals, both living, extinct, and ficitonal. Some of the men talked quitely during the showing of most pictures, but when a drawing of a brontosaurus was shown, they all started shouting "mokele mbembe" in excited, nervous voices.

I'm not sure what they have seen, but if anything were to survive long past the accepted evolutionary period during which it is thought to have existed, the jungles of central Africa are a good candidate for a location.

GakFace

I vote to say otherwise. I think it makes us more well-informed. If we're going to have our beliefs regardless on whether or not we're going to argue it, we'd be no better off than that guy if we don't take an honest look at the other spectrum. If anything we were 'stupider' before we read it.

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CoachAlan

To answer the writer's question, I believe in evolutin because more evidence points to it than points to other theories. I don't even know that creationism can rightly be considered a theory. And another thing, this guy writes of the antiquity of dinosaurs, "I don't believe that for a minute. I don't believe there is a shred of scientific evidence to suggest it."

What about the stratification of the fossil record? What about the dating of bones? Do these things not count as evidence?

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Zephyr66

hear hear!

Coppertop

Wow. As FngKestrel would say, I'm fucking flabbergasted.

That science, it's all so silly! We all know the bible is infallible, because it says it is.

Willravel

I can understand that there is a coincedence that dragons are giant lizards, but this coincidence seems to stand alone. I think this guy wants to be sensational, and there is nothing wrong with that (according to the contemporary example in media). The only thing he touched on that had my attention for a moment was when he said "...many of the dinosaur fossils discovered in various parts of the world were found right along human footprints and remains". If there is evidence to support this, then I see it as possibly being worth looking into. Otherwise, this is just another article that is full of half truths, baseless conjectures, and incomplete thoughts.

mac03

full sized dinosaur = Lochness monster.

dinosaur of evolution = komodo dragon.

Undercover_Man

Dinosaurs DO exist. They're called turtles, alligators, crocodiles, komodo dragons, etc... Just because they're small doesn't mean they aren't dinosaurs...dinos are lizards and so are the ones that survived whatever it was that they survived.

holymoly

Even if there are isolated cases of "dinosaurs" still in existance, say in isolated lakes, or wherever else there are conditions that allow ancient species to continue as they were/are, that doesn't disprove evolution at all. All it shows is that in certain isolated areas the conditions are such that these ancient species are very well suited to their environments. It is logical for species to be stagnant in an isolated lake because it is isolated, and thus the conditions will stay more or less the same.

Using the fact that nobody called into his show to argue for evolution as "proof" that evolution is all a lie pretty much shows that this guy is just pushing whatever agenda he may have instead of actually trying to inform people.

thubpt

I saw the mentioned article a few weeks ago on fark - My boyfriend and I almost fell off our chairs laughing so hard (didn't help that we'd had a few drinks that night . . .)

The author of that article must live in a neat little fantasy world. You might as well say that there are a horde of gnomes living in your yard, pixies in your garden, and Rumplestiltskin is living in your attic waiting to take your first born. Fairie tales are wonderful stories, and I'd be lying if I said I didn't believe in magic, but dragons? Still existing? Sheesh.

I believe in evolution. There have been too many discoveries to back up the theory to discount it. I also believe that bits of creation may be true. If you take the two hand in hand, and walk with them for a while, you can almost see how they complement each other, and fill in the holes that one or the other is lacking. However, besides this little rant to voice my feeble opinion, I would never feel comfortable arguing these theories to anyone with even half a brain. It all boils down to what you feel deep down inside.

If anybody has tickets to the author's little world o' "Dragons and Behemoths" - let me know, I'd like to take a trip . . . .

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Slavakion

I think a little piece of me just died.

He probably got no pro-evolutionists calling in because if he is a hard-core right-wing extreme Christian, no evolutionists would listen to his show. And any that were are probably tired of trying to convince people otherwise.

"Look at this scientific evidence!"
"No, you read this bible, bitch! Don't make me get Old Testament on your ass!"

McDuffie

I'm slow, so help me out here. This is sarcasm, right?

Joseph Farah is absolutely not 'in the know' with regards to evolutionary biology. In fact, his credentials as a journalist are questionable.

That article is the most ridiculous piece of trash I have ever read on the subject of human origins.

tecoyah, please tell me you're joking.

pan6467

Are there pictures of this dead "dinosaur".

I maybe wrong but I always believed part of evolution theory was that an animal evolved out of need to acclimate itself to the changes in the environment. Therefore if the environment doesn't change, the species would not have to. An example is the Great White Shark that has been pretty much the same since the beginning.

So if the forests of Africa and the Amazon or the Asian Himalayas have not changed, the animals would then not have to evolve to acclimate to a new change.

It is therefore possible, that there are Dinos out there because they haven't had to and mankind has not been that deep into the woods. But with exploration and now satelites that can see almost anything, anywhere, we will be able to see what these deep woods and high mountains hide that man was before unable to travel to.

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BlitzkriegKommt

So...Tooth Fariy is real because there are many images of angels in bibel and other literature?

*Nikki*

I have never ever doubted the exsistance of dinosaurs. How is it possible to doubt it when we have actually proof??

I dont understand.

bad jane

everyone is entitled to their own beliefs, but unless you believe the bible contains facts the creationist theory doesn't exactly hold water.

while i respect that there are plenty of people in this world who do believe everything in the bible, there are plenty of us who don't as well. and unless someone can provide me with proof that there is an omnipotent being and that this being created earth and all that is on it--i choose not to believe it.

and unless this article is 20 years old, evolution is not taught as fact in government schools. i attended public school for 12 years and not once was i told that evolution was fact, it was presented to me as a theory. i have however, attended plenty of church services that presented creationism as fact with the only thing to back it up being the bible and faith.

if someone wants to believe that the earth is only about 6000 years old--more power to them. personally, i'll put my faith in science. hell, even the christians can't agree on creationism--how can they expect the rest of the world to accept it?

cyrnel

I'm surprised, too, considering this guy must have a huge following of reasonable, intelligent, and well educated listeners. What a nutball.

tellumFS

Well, it's good that they didn't tell you it was fact. It's not. Evolution *is* a theory. However, so is gravity. And much in the same way that I'm pretty darn sure that if I shove a stapler from my desk, it'll fall, I'm pretty darn sure that dinosaurs evolved into birds and/or reptiles, and that hominids evolved from other primates.

That said, I'll stick my head out there and say that I like to believe that God put evolution in motion. Not with a goal in mind, but more like a "what happens if...". But maybe I like to think that so I don't worry about death. Who knows.

raeanna74

I looked at the site and couldn't find what kind of stations he was being broadcast on. I'm guessing most likely the stations on which you could hear him were of the conservative religious sort mostly. That would explain the type of callers he got because the listeners were by and large conservative creationists or at least evolutionary sceptics. He implies that evolutionists did not call because they could not answer. I would suggest they didn't even HEAR of his challenge because they weren't listening.

As for the footprints that were mentioned next to bones. I am guessing that the homo sapien footprints found next to dinosaur prints and found in a dry riverbed were those that were being referred to. In that case the human AND Dinosaur prints were BOTH in stone which would have had to been turned to stone fairly quickly for both prints to be as clear as they are.

As for the Bible. If you look at it only as a historical book you can find a lot of it is archeologically accurate. Try reading "The Bible Was my Treasure Map". It is written by a NON-creationist and takes the Bible solely as a historical book. There is some value in studying the Bible from that perspective at least. Don't just completely ignore it because of it's religious associations.

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zen_tom

Some of the things the guy uses as argument suggests he doesn't have any understanding of what evolutionary theory is all about.

The notion of humans and dinosaurs living together at around the same time is of no consequence to evolutionists, palentologists maybe, but the evolutionary theory doesn't rest on it. Where in the bible is there mention of people and dragons walking side by side? Where in the bible does it say man stood next to a Stegasaurus? How does he account for the geological and radiological records that show dinosaur bones dating back over 6 million years, while the bible would suggest the earth is only 6000 years old? If people were around (and presumably writing things in the bible) during the age of the dinosaurs, how come they failed to document the massive meteor impact that severely changed the climate of the earth for an entire generation?

Sorry, but it's a bad argument, poorly made, by someone who clearly doesn't know what they are talking about.

I'm happy to accept someone's belief in the Creationist view, and will consider some valid criticism of the current evolutionary model, but this is nothing more than a case of bad writing by someone who had evidently run out of ideas.

mike059

While I agree that evolution is only theory, I believe it to be the most likely scenario. The bible is a great moral guide, at least if you exclude the stoning and stuff, it does provide some good, simple truths to live by, but, it is only a book and in many ways only theory. The writings have been translated many times and by many people.... I think the bible is a prime example of evolution in action......seems to change to meet the need....slow and subtle, but change it has.

hulk

If you want concrete proof of evolution, look at viruses. Penicillin now is far less effective then it was when first discovered, due to the fact that the strains of viruses most resilient to it have survived better. The same thing happens with all life, those that have certain features which enable them to live better generally do better.

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tellumFS

Typically Creationists blow this off as micro-evolution, and say that there is no proof of it on a macro level. That's kinda like saying a semi truck engine can't work 'cause it's so big, but a diesel car would work allright. Doesn't make sense to me, but it does to some.

Fourtyrulz

What about the Creation argument "Do you really believe that (insert complicated body part, function, land mass, etc) was created just by chance?" I find this depressing, who are they to put a limit on nature? The same people who can place great faith in an unseen deity yet have no faith in nature or humanity to create it's own beauty out of chance and change. I don't mean to thread-jack...just that tellumFS's response reminded me of a conversation I had with my own parents.

Are you referring to the tracks found at the Paluxy River in Texas? In a class I took last semester we spent about a week discussing the Paluxy River tracks, and we ended up finding out that most of them were just dinosaur tracks side by side with dinosaur tracks and the rest were faked. Researchers went in one day and found toes added to some tracks that weren't there during the previous afternoon of studying. Seems like people will go to quite some trouble to "prove" and affirm their religious beliefs.

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Tralls

The bible makes no mention of dinosaurs...maybe scientists are just making them up as well!!! Or maybe Noah didn't find them important enough to include on the ark

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zen_tom

I've seen the bones of a dinosaur in the National History Museum in London, and they looked pretty real to me. I've also found fossils on the beach and seen the cliffs where they came from. If the 'scientists' are making them up, they've done a very thorough job.

Isn't one of the creationist arguments about the fossil record that God put it there to test our faith?