asudevil83

i've heard of this being mentioned a little bit hear and there in different threads, but it really hasnt been discussed very much. and i'd like to hear people's opinions of whether or not they think it exists or not, and just any information they've read about it.
and also, what kind of ramifications do you think MIGHT happen IF they were to find that it exists.?
what geological changes would you think would happen, and what would the rest of society do about it?
for those of you who believe it does exist, what do you think the government knows, and what are they covering up?

i personally think that its a very interesting topic to talk about. i've done a little research on the topic, and i would really like to think that this thing exists.

for those of you who have little knowledge of it, i've got a link that gives some pretty good overall backround info.

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SaltPork

I've heard that there was potentially a 10th planet, but there was no conclusive evidence of any until recently.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/space/0...net.discovery/

The debate is whether this is something that could be considered a planet. At 2000 KM in diameter it's smaller than Pluto, and some would debate that given it's size that Pluto isn't a planet either.

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tecoyah

The primary reason for belief in PlanetX are unexplained variances in the orbits of the outer planets. Should there actually be a large body, outside the orbit of Pluto, it will have no effect on the current geology of Earth.
If the government knew of this planet, they would have no logical reason to hide it. The planet would be dead biologically, and likely quiet geologically as well due to the lack of solar radiation, and the frigid temperatures this entails.

Outside the orbit of Pluto, we enter into the Oort cloud. this enormous group of comets and asteroids stretches millions of miles beyond Pluto, and would make a full blown planet virtually impossible in this area. Beyond the Oort cloud.....Who knows.

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Date the Banana

Uh.......whether or not we know about something has no effect on its effect on us. Undetected or not, if there is another planet, it's always been there, and thus we are still dealing with the status quo.

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bond007

Planet X (if it exists) should actually be called Comet X.

riptide4070

if an object in space orbits a planet or sun, isn't it considered a planet? I don't know much about space, just a thought.

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primal

Comets orbit the sun but are not considered planets. I don't know what the criteria is.

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tecoyah

Generally, Size and stability define the difference between a planet, and another body.

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AlrightyThen

I just recently started investigating this thing after seeing Zecharia Sitchin do a segment on a UFO Diaries video; talking about illustrations written by ancient Sumerians (Sumeria existed in the same spot as modern-day Iraq) detailing the planets in our solar system accurately thousands of years before we "officially" discovered them. In their illustrations is another planet which they call Nibiru, on a very long orbit around our Sun.. so long in fact that it only comes around once every 3600 of our years.
There are gravitational anomolies in Pluto's orbit suggesting another influence which modern science may have found.
Still looking into that, but if modern science had found something with their high-powered telescopes, it's not something that they would rush out and cheerfully present to the public.

Sun Tzu

Perhaps; do you think the general public would be informed if the crossing would cause a polar shift? A majority of the theories Ive read states that is not a planet or a comet, but a brown dwarf (a dead star) making it extremely difficult to view. Binary solar systems are common.

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Moobie

http://andykoom.tripod.com/nibiru.html

You can google for brown dwarf and planet x for more pages. Most of the sites I found reference this happening in 2003. Which is funny because I don't remember the cataclysmic event that this was supposed to bring. I'll admit I was pretty busy in 2003, so I may have just not been paying attention.

All joking aside, this is actually a kinda cool idea. More science fiction, I think than anything else. Here's a site I found with alot of cool reading: http://www.crawford2000.co.uk/mark1.htm

Although this sounds suspiciously like the novel Nightfall by Asimov.

http://search-barnesandnoble.com/sub...mov/Nightfall/

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balderdash111

FYI

http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/misc/planetx/index.html

Planet X - as in the mysterious planet discovered by Sumerians that will pass us (actually - was supposed to have passed us a year ago) and cause planetwide ecological disaster - is a myth propogated by a woman claiming to channel a group of aliens.

The above link is to a site run by an astronomer who - quite conclusively - debunks this hoax.

Moobie

Wasn't Planet X supposed to have already been named "dave"? Atleast I'm pretty sure that's what the Melmacian's call it.

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AlrightyThen

not talking about some channelling woman. There is a guy named Zecharia Sitchin who has studied this stuff for 30 years and can read Sumerian texts. All the evidence points to beings from this other planet or whatever it is having a hand in origin of our species. Mr Sitchin NEVER MADE ANY SUCH CLAIM about 'Planet X' returning in 2003, nor does he offer any suggestion of when it will return. I bet he has an idea, but doesn't want to release it.
understandably.

balderdash111

Ok, this isn't really my debate, since I don't know anything about this, but I'd point you to two places that at least claim to prove Sitchin was wrong (regardless of whether he thinks Planet X is/was about to return):

First, the Bad Astronomer (who I point to not because he is an expert in Sumerian writings, but because (a) he is really smart, and (b) he sums up the counter arguments in a couple of paragraphs, unlike the next link):

http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/misc.../nutshell.html


Second, an actual Sumerian expert says Sitchin is wrong because he misinterprets the symbol on a tablet as the sun when it is actually a star (and yes, the Sumerians distinguished between the two, even though we know that the Sun is a star):

http://www.facadenovel.com/va_243%20page.htm


Again, not my debate, but here is some information for you to consider.

ironman

If i recall it right, the name of the planet is ALVIN, at least that's what ALF said was it's name (kidding). I've been hearing about this planet since middle 80's and haven't had a definitive answer yet. Guess those boys at NASA are playing to much Quake.

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queedo

I think it is a stron possibility due to the stange orbit of Pluto and other objects.

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ManWithAPlan

planet x is so called because it's the X-factor which is alloted to solve and explain certain behaviors of planets.

the planet might not be dead biologically because it might very well be a gas giant and might be radioactive. (self-heating).

you don't know what reasonable circumstances the government might have to hide it, it could be the same reason the US uses the 'standard' system.

ManWithAPlan

if the planet orbits once every 3600 then these anamalies wouldn't have occured more than once in recorded history, considering we're only in the year 2004. This would not constitute them as anamalies.

ie if pluto was between the earth and X when its orbit elongated, then you could say that X pulls pluto off course, but this would be as rare as an eclipse (analogically speaking).

riptide4070

thanks so much for the site links! I do not know what to think yet and am still reading up on planet x. I think I've found a new hobby!

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