wannabenakid247

I have heard a few people suggest that AIDS was invented by the government to wipe out gay men. Except that it got out of control and spread to straight people due to blood transfusions and some gay men sleeping with women (bisexuals).

Do you think that there could be any truth in this. If it is true its scary to think that they might already have a cure and wont tell us.

lordjeebus

There are viruses analagous to HIV in other species -- chimps, cats, etc. It's not strange that humans have one too.

And although the date of the first case of AIDS is not widely agreed upon, even in the late 1970s I don't think the government would have had the technology to achieve this. For that matter, I don't think the government could do it today.

papermachesatan

Nope, its pure bullshit.

Psivage

I heard the Government created AIDS to get rid of Black people. They injected it in cocaine or some other drug and sold it the poor areas. But soon rich white people start doing drugs and that how it spread. I think it is Bullshit though.

supersix2

AIDS started in Africa and the Virus originated in monkeys. It spread to humans because of monkey bites and people handling dead monkeys and getting its blood in open wouds and such.

Averett

I thought it was cause some guy fucked a monkey?

Wait, that's as lame as the idea of the government inventing AIDS....


Okay, I don't mean lame. That's harsh. Just a bit far fetched.

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grumpyolddude

Next comes the poster claiming that God sent AIDS to ravage the sodomizers and fornicators as punishment for their detestible sins! Good grief, people! "injected in cocaine"? "invented by the government to wipe out gay men"?

http://www.aegis.com/topics/timeline/default.asp

There is some real information out there.

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123123

Actually...rich white people were doing coke long before people in "poor areas" ever had access to it. Ever seen the movie Blow?

Unknown Poster

I heard one theory about scientists using monkeys to grow Polio vaccines, and accidently transferred S.I.V. (monkeye H.I.V.) to humans.

MSD

I was listening to a former DoD employee being interviewed on a radio show on WBAI. He claimed to have heard a speech to a Senate committee in which the speaker tol;d them that in 10 to 15 years, they would have a bio-weapon capable of destroying the human immune system. That was allegedly in 1969.

I can't find it anywhere, even on the Internet. I would expect at least one or two of the conspiracy nuts out there to have something about it if it had been said, but I can find nothing.

As for the Polio vaccine theory, it sounds much more plausible, but I would think it initially would have spread much more quickly and been more widespread if that had happened.

mb99usa

This is the way I understood the transfer started. It also had to do with the people eating the monkeys, a very common act in those countries. Poor hygiene and medical accomodations quickened and widened the spread to healthcare workers.

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WhoaitsZ

the disease wasn't created to kill gay people.

however, Reagan did turn down funding AIDs fighters due to his lack of concern. at the time the disease mostly killed gay people only.

from what i understand, a monkey species carried it. many tribes eat monkeys. it's rabies part 2.

jets

I think it's just population control. I mean think about it, if eveyone lived to 120 years old and never got sick earth would be a pretty crowded place.

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Jasmar

no

yellowgowild

Any group intelligent enough to develope the AIDS virus would also know that gays aren't strictly gay, and that the virus would migrate between social groups.

thumper69

If it were like that then i guess the U.S. Government also had control of the situation in Africa, where it all originated.... I dunno, it must be all part of their master plan

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Here is Snopes answer to the AIDS questions that have been passed around:
Rumors about AIDS includes the theory that it was "put in K-Y Jelly by the Centers for Disease Control to eliminate homosexuals."

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mb99usa

It's amazing soem of the rumors that get passed around so much they start to carry weight. AIDS being created on purpose is a rumor that should never have lived this long. We are talking about a killer that continues to take lives with no end in sight. To say that it was unleashed on the world knowingly and maliciously is just insane.

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raeanna74

You're right. As far as I know the HIV Virus cannot survive more than a few minutes in the open air. This kind of transmission would be nigh impossible.

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here's some interesting reading
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K-Wise

It's Green monkeys to be precise and I believe it was contracted because of the ingestion of raw monkey brains from that species. Also the idea that someone invented a VIRUS yes it's a virus which cannot be controlled, tracked, cured, etc. to rid the world of gays or minorities & junkies is just ignorant.....because the it's a virus it is unpredictable you couldn't control it like that....the rich racist white man would give the virus to blacks because he hated them and next thing ya know his daughter slept with a black man and got it from him. So to think that they would be as stupid to think a plan like that could possibly work is foolish unless.....they sent the virus to another country as a form of biological warfare and it circled back and came here to America like on the movie Outbreak. Not only gay people use ky jelly, not only black people use cocaine, etc. Now the theory that they actually have a cure for the disease and refuse to give it so they can capitalize on the money used to buy medicines is somewhat logical but it also costs a lot of money to make the medicines as well as test them to make sure they won't kill the patients, etc.

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Coolidge

aids is spread more rapidly through heterosexual relationships than homosexual. I think they'd realize that to take out the gays, they'd be taking out some straights too...and not all the gays.

Brad1989

That is just something that ignorant homophobic people (who are almost always closeted gays) came up with. I can't believe anyone would be dumb enough to even come up with it or even believe it. Why should anyone even care if a dude or chic is gay? Thats unless they have those feelings themselves and are afraid of it. And don't give me its a sin cause a man (not god) wrote it in the bible. If people went by that then so is masturbation and there isn't a man on this planet that has never at least done that once. One of my best friends is gay and you'll never find a better man on this earth and i can't imaginethat anyone would come up with a virus that would cause a cruel death like that to anyone much less him just because he prefers something else sexually then the majority!

sweet release

right.



totally agree with you

i swear some people do make up crap sometimes



gay men have just as much as a right as straight to be on this earth.

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Strange Famous

It is widely known that AIDS is man made, but I dont believe it was deliberately used to kill any social group or ethnic group... it was simply an agent of biological warfare that went horribly out of control.

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The_Dunedan

Then providing a source for this claim won't be hard, will it? And if it's "widely known," then the details shouldn't be too hard either: where it was constructed, possibly who was involved...?

I love a good conspiracy theory as much as the next guy, but the idea that an extremely fast-evolving organism, with many analogues in other species (FIV for one), was created by humans with the limited technology of the late 1970s just makes me laugh. So please, prove me wrong. Show me a remotely reputable source that says "AIDS is man-made." Not "AIDS might be man-made" or "is AIDS man-made?" but "AIDS is man-made." Something with some internal support (citations, etc) would be nice.

This is Tilted Paranoia, granted, but even here you don't get to make claims like "It's widely known that..." without providing at least some evidence to prove that what you claim is widely held is, in fact, widely held.

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Pearl Trade

Yeah, I've never heard of AIDS being man-made.

The craziest AIDS origin I've heard of is "it started in humans when a man fucked a monkey." Maybe true, maybe not, I don't know.

I'd like to know how AIDS started. I've always thought it's been around just like anything else.

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Knock yourself out:
OPV AIDS hypothesis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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The_Dunedan

From your source:

Strange Famous: I did not ask for sources supporting the theory that AIDS in man-made. What I asked for was a source for your assertion that such a theory is widely held. Since you are in the habit of claiming things are "common knowledge" or "widely known" when they are in fact nothing of the kind, it stuck me as a pertinent question. However, I will now address the irrelevant source you supplied to answer a question I did not ask.

From your source:

And what is this "real story?" How do we know it is, in fact, "the real story?"

There is no such thing as a "Black heterosexual disease" or "white male homosexual disease." Disease is simply disease. AIDS migrated from hetero- to homosexual persons and back again the same way all such illnesses do: sexual contact between bisexual persons.

Unsourced, but hardly unsurprising. Scientists work with scientists all the time.

Likewise the Soviet accusations of the US Gov't poisoning the water supply in Afghanistan, along with many other equally ridiculous accusations made by the Soviet Gov't during the Cold War years. The sudden disappearance of a piece of propaganda is not evidence.

What evidence? Evidence which is frequently alluded to, but never revealed or sourced, is also known as bullshit.

Recorded where? What lab?

Unsourced and unverifiable.

Unsourced and unverifiable. If FIV was created in a laboratory, as the author alleges to know, where was it? When? "The mid-1970s" is not workable here: he's claiming detailed knowledge of this.

Assumes a foregone conclusion: that AIDS was introduced. Unproven, unsourced, and unverifiable.

I could go on, Strange, but this "source" of yours is a joke, besides being irrelevant to the question I asked in the first place. It keeps insisting that certain things happened simply as a matter of course, without providing any evidence that they did. Put bluntly, this source states that the sky is brown because a meteorite destroyed Madagascar in 1996, but without any further elaboration or proof of any of the alleged facts. As a lawyer would say, this entire source is an exercise in assuming facts not in evidence.

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--Strange Famous, advocating the use of falsified charges in order to shut people up.

Baraka_Guru

A good portion (well over half) of the sources for that article comes from the published works of Dr. Alan Cantwell, Jr. From his Wikipedia entry:

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The_Dunedan

Actually, BG, the article -itself- is one of Cantwell's works, and as you point out seems to draw most of its' source material from the author's own previous works. Circular logic.

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--Strange Famous, advocating the use of falsified charges in order to shut people up.

Baraka_Guru

Oh, I missed that. Regardless, it appears his theory has been actively dismissed by at least one medical practitioner/researcher. A guy who specializes in vaccines, no less.

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Strange Famous

Lets talk about the facts.

Do you deny that the US and the Soviet Union both were doing WIDESPREAD research into biological weapons in the 1970's and 1980's?

Or do you accept as I do and most people do that both "superpowers" did research biological weapons?

This the first question...does the suspect have form?

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And when I say that it is widely held that AIDS is man made, I do not mean that is in some way an "artificial" or "manufactured" virus... I mean that the circumstances that lead to the AIDS epidemic were in fact testing in biological weaponary which got massively out of control. This was an animal virus which was communicated to humans as a result of US military testing.

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Pearl Trade

"Man-made" quite clearly means that humans created it.

You're saying isolated military testing created a sweeping disease epidemic?

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Baraka_Guru

If it's widely held that it came as a result of military testing, then why isn't it widely held?

Do you mean it is widely held amongst conspiracy theorists?

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The_Dunedan

You're moving the goalposts, Strange. I asked you to support your contention that:

ie; Lots of people know something for a fact...

Your contention was that lots of people know for a fact that AIDS was man-made. The how/why of that "making" are irrelevant to the question at hand: "Is it 'widely known' that AIDS is man-made?"

You also create a false dichotomy here with this statement:

If the virus was not manufactured in some way, it was not man-made. If it -was- man-made, it would by definition have to be manufactured. Now, if you meant that the -context- of the beginning of the AIDS epidemic was man-made: ie that HIV may have been a naturally-occurring pathogen which was accidentally released into a non-native habitat (similar to Africanized bees in the 1950s), this passage might make some sense.

You have not answered my original question, Strange, so I'll ask again:

Please provide some source to back up your contention that it is widely known that AIDS/HIV was man-made.

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--Strange Famous, advocating the use of falsified charges in order to shut people up.

hunnychile

It's not out of the "realm of possibility" that our Military Industrial Complex would secretly monitor the tracking, testing & sampling of the AIDS Virus. C'mon now... Let's not be too naive. I met an ex military medical staffer back in the early 80s who absolutely swore that it was tested & controlled by the US Military. I will not say who they were targeting, because it is so negative and against everything I believe in and I have no real proof to support theat "medical professional's story".

Suffice to say this information is way beyond sad and totally deplorable and I hope that ex military medical C.O. was totally wrong.

If you never hear from me again, then you'll know that guy was correct.

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