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Xiangsu 09-29-2003 01:41 PM

John Titor, Real Time Traveler
 
I just found about this guy from a link from Sledge. Apparently he is a real time traveler from the year 2036. This is really interesting and makes you wonder about some things. Although, he said some of this stuff about a civil war was going to start in 2004 and that sounds a little soon for me. Do you think he's for real? http://www.johntitor.com/

Eviltree 09-29-2003 05:58 PM

That is quite convincing, although I do have some doubts. I would've liked to talk to him.

orange monkeyee 09-29-2003 06:26 PM

indeed intriguing. I wont say whether i would believe it or not because i don't know really what to think. it is interesting to read though. either it's true or someone had a shitload of time on their hands. and i mean a LOT

Xiangsu 09-30-2003 02:47 AM

Here are some pictures of the time machine and schematics.


http://www.anomalies.net/time_travel/fetch2.jpg
http://www.anomalies.net/time_travel/PT2.jpg
http://www.anomalies.net/time_travel/PT3.jpg http://www.anomalies.net/time_travel/fetch6.jpg
http://www.anomalies.net/time_travel/fetch.jpg


That last one I found particularly strange. See how the laser bends? The beam is being bent by the gravitational field produced by the distortion unit. This picture is supposed to be from the year 2035 during John's training and the man in the picture is his instructor.

jwoody 09-30-2003 05:28 AM

Looks suspiciously similar to a flux capacitor.

Seriously though, I had a good read through the site and found it very entertaining. That guy seems to know what he's talking about.

Do I think he's for real? No.

bryan2766 09-30-2003 05:44 AM

He does seem to know what hes talking about but the part about where he could leave a message on the internet in this worldline and be able to recover it in another but not being able to remember making it didnt make much since

Psivage 09-30-2003 08:16 AM

Time Travel is possible, but not to your world. You go to different world Alternate reality, Parallel Worlds. It is common knowledge that, if you do somehow make to the world you lived in, it would cause such disruption that the Universe will begin to experience Time Shocks which is event happening out of order, such as dinosaurs walking the earth, civil war, W II, 9/11, and so forth and so forth. These events will keep on happening until the space-time continuum explodes. The only way to travel in to your own earth is with a Null Field. Which vibrates you out of synch with time continuum. As of yet though the Null Field hasn't been proven a success.

BentNotTwisted 09-30-2003 10:22 AM

This was supposed to be a quote by Titor:
"Your example of what people would do based on something I might say is accurate. However, my concern would be the potential actions of a single person, not the masses. In 1963, if I suggested that someone should watch the book depository windows as the President went by, the actions of a single person might have a huge impact on history. You also asked if I've visited my "past" family. That's where I am now."
Why did he use an analogy of Kennedy's assassination? He makes it seem as if he had very little education as a youth and when he was older history lessons were very limited. I know it's knitpicking, but is this really an example someone from his furture would use?

edit:
More contradictions. Our money is usable as currency in the future. This makes no sense. The federal government has fallen, the federal reserve bank is probably gone with as well. Money from today would be as valued as money from the Confederacy of the Civil War, only for it's historical or collector's value.
"Automobiles are used mostly for sport and some transportation." Would this agrarian civilization have the resources to refine petroleum for sporting purposes?
The new federal government is situated in Omaha Nebraska. Currently the U.S. Strategic Command (formerly Strategic Air Command) is at Offutt Air Base in Bellevue Nebraska located 10 miles from downtown Omaha. According to Titor, when the bombs start falling they take out all major cities and military installations. WTF, did the Russians forget to bomb one of the most important military sites in North America, or is the new Federal Government located in one of the most highly radioactive locations in the country?

Sad_Machine 09-30-2003 04:23 PM

Although quite entertaining, this guy doesn't convince me. He sure has put a lot of research into it though. We'll just have to wait and see...

Easytiger 09-30-2003 04:55 PM

"Wait and see" would probably be the most practical and easily performed method of travelling to the future anyway...

DownwardSpiral 09-30-2003 07:19 PM

As I said in the thread in the general discussion, I think he's a fake.

dragonhawk 10-01-2003 07:44 AM

Of course time travel is possible.

The problem is, we only know how to go forward right now :)

Mr. Spacemonkey 10-01-2003 12:12 PM

Probably a liar but anything is possible.

MSD 10-02-2003 01:14 PM

That bent laser seems suspiciously similar to a fiber optic tube that has a rough surface in order to allow the sides to light up.

micah67 10-02-2003 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by dragonhawk
Of course time travel is possible.

The problem is, we only know how to go forward right now :)

And only at the rate of one second per second.

asudevil83 10-02-2003 08:05 PM

even though this guy is probably one of the best story tellers out there, he does seem pretty damn convincing. some of the stuff he has predicted has come true, or their is support right now in current events that could lead to some of his predictions coming true.

i was browsing around reading a message board that is pretty much dedicated to analyzing the "facts" that he provided. some of the stuff is pretty intriguing.

Quote:

Titor's story is compelling because of its plausibility. Maybe he was just a very good analyst, looking at trends and predicting outcomes. Nonetheless, it's undeniable that he was talking about elections being fraudulent long before the 2000 fiasco. He was talking about a war in the Middle East involving U.S. troops long before it happened. He said things like, "Do you think Iraq has nukes, or is that just BS to get you to support the next war?" long before the Iraq war was a blip on anyone's radar screen. He was saying things like, "The really interesting stuff is months or years away" months before 9/11 and years before (???). For me, the real mind blower was the front page of my *Times* on 9/11/01, which had an article about a microsingularity having been created at CERN, just about a year after Titor had said exactly that same thing would happen in about a year. It was also very weird to read my paper in the morning, go to work and see the day's other events unfold. That day definitely gave me pause, though I still sit on the fence as to "Boomer"'s credibility as a TT.
some of the things that i've read kinda get me second guessing if this guy is for real or not.

Orodinn 10-02-2003 08:19 PM

Well, there are just too many reasons (in my mind anyway) why this isnt possible. But still, I have to agree that that guy a pretty damn smart. I went through the entire site and he was pretty convicing. Maybe it was just a hobby of his to try to fool as many people as possible. The thing is, most people really WANT to believe it (wouldnt that be cool?) but deep down, I dont think anybody really does. I dont know if I really want 3 billions people to die in 2015, but I guess it would be sort of "cool" to know time traveling is possible. Anyway, that guy would make a great sect leader.

Nefir 10-02-2003 08:37 PM

I am not about judge this guy. I am skeptical, as I should be, but there's also one argument that could be made, which will halt any counter-argument, because neither side can be proved to be correct or incorrect.

Think about the obvious: If at any time in the future, someone invents a time machine that could go to a specific reality (and, since by definition the future holds infinite possibilities, this WILL happen, at some time, in some reality), they could visit any point in the past. This means that if NOW is the past for them, there could, and should, be an infinite number of visitors from the future hanging around, because the future itself is inifinte.

It boggles the mind, doesn't it?

liquid_dreams 10-02-2003 10:26 PM

man if that war thing is right then well shit.... i'm so fucked :(

something that i noticed and since i'm very tired after readin majority of the site is that, and i dont know if this has been noted yet, is that he come in 2000 right same year bush is elected then a war happens in 2004 next year the year bush could loose his power, so if bush is that power hungry why wouldent he put up a fight the other thing i noticed is that he points out, sry i cant quote this, is that he points out FL's state vote thingie, cant rember its name lol sry i havent voted yet lol, but any way i wanted to know what ya thing about that

Bill O'Rights 10-06-2003 09:22 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by BentNotTwisted
The new federal government is situated in Omaha Nebraska. Currently the U.S. Strategic Command (formerly Strategic Air Command) is at Offutt Air Base in Bellevue Nebraska located 10 miles from downtown Omaha.
Spoken like someone who was stationed there.

Mojo_PeiPei 10-07-2003 11:10 PM

Well he kept talking about time lines, there is no guarentee that this is the future for our time line, besides the time is to be dictated like an open book, if everything where pre-determined well... I dunno, guess we will have to wait two years to find out.

BentNotTwisted 10-08-2003 06:39 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bill O'Rights
Spoken like someone who was stationed there.
Nice guess, but nope. When I read Titor mentioned Omaha something clicked about the old movie Strategic Air Command and that base being located in Omaha. After a few minutes of Googling (and Mapquesting) I was able to come up with that tidbit. Granted the guy was very good, but if you look at his statement skeptically you can find holes in his logic.
Quote:

Originally posted by Nefir
I am not about judge this guy. I am skeptical, as I should be, but there's also one argument that could be made, which will halt any counter-argument, because neither side can be proved to be correct or incorrect.

Think about the obvious: If at any time in the future, someone invents a time machine that could go to a specific reality (and, since by definition the future holds infinite possibilities, this WILL happen, at some time, in some reality), they could visit any point in the past. This means that if NOW is the past for them, there could, and should, be an infinite number of visitors from the future hanging around, because the future itself is inifinte.

It boggles the mind, doesn't it?

Nefir uses great logic and it would be true if time travel became available to the average citizen. Suppose the technology to create the time travel device needed supporting technology which was beyond the capability of the average person? (Think nuclear bombs.) Then only governments or organizations with advanced enough research facilities would be able to create a time machine. This would severely limit the number of travellers going anywhere, including here and now. Sorry Nefir, just being my typically skeptical self.

BentNotTwisted 10-08-2003 06:45 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by liquid_dreams
then a war happens in 2004 next year the year bush could loose his power, so if bush is that power hungry why wouldent he put up a fight
Actually using the PATRIOT Act, Bush (along with Ashcroft) already has made a power grab. If you're not familiar with it, you should do some research. If you are familiar with it and you think it's a good idea, then God help you.
I don't mean to hijack the thread, but it had to be said.

insidious_machinae 10-14-2003 01:03 AM

I'd just like to say that I found this whole thread and the link really interesting. Thanks for poasting it.

bryan2766 10-17-2003 08:19 PM

Well now china is in space like he said and CERN http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2003/10/17/net_speed031017

opentocomments 10-18-2003 04:24 PM

i have 2 comments on this one.

1st the future is infinite and as the old addage goes an infinte number of munkies could write shakespear (or build a time machine)

2nd in all acutallity to build a time machine you would need a ungodly amount of Anti-Matter (imaginary matter) to go back wards and to go forwards thru time ud need about the mass of jupiter to go at a rate of 3:1 (3 years for every one year inside) and all of this would have to be situated around you at a proper distance of 2.6 meters (if im not mistaken)

scansinboy 10-21-2003 11:48 PM

Of course time travel is possible. Haven't any of you seen Donnie Darko?

/Sarcasm

Spinach_Indeed 11-01-2003 08:47 AM

In one post he says the civil war will start in 2004, and another he says 2005.

I guess this is extreme nitpicking... but.. EH.

He also said that Health Care in the Future is comparable to Western Films, where if you get a serious disease, you die. I find it.. hard to believe that they have technology to Time Travel and yet not to Cure Diseases that are Curable today.

I'm skeptical, but it's interesting.

Stare At The Sun 11-01-2003 12:23 PM

I guess only time will tell if this fellow is right...

hy_ 11-02-2003 07:43 PM

good entertainment. I do beleive it is possible. I have always been facinated by Time Travel and caught a lot of moments thinking about time itself.

Sunrise 11-02-2003 08:10 PM

It's fake, there was an article somewhere on the net about it, and that it's just another internet hoax - to no surprise. You gotta be pretty stupid to believe it.

Fearless_Hyena 11-03-2003 03:24 PM

hell i don't think he's for real, i don't believe it for a minute, but then again why did i just get really freaked while reading that website?

Darkeryet 11-05-2003 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sunrise
It's fake, there was an article somewhere on the net about it, and that it's just another internet hoax - to no surprise. You gotta be pretty stupid to believe it.
Kinda a lame reply.

I beleive it is possible and I beleive this until I see a reason not to beleive him.

Fearless_Hyena 11-05-2003 04:18 PM

I really encourage everyone just for a moment to stop debating on whether John Titor is actually a time traveller from 2036, and go through the site and read all his posts. It makes for a great read, and (hopefully) will freak you out like it did to me!!

The guy's brilliant. The physics may or may not be accurate but the social and political commentary he makes are amazing. Pay particular attention to his suggestions and recommendations, and his description of his future. Note his frustration with the hostility he sees from the other posters, and disgust with today's excessive, materialistic society and political events. And the commentary on the food we eat and trends in disease. I think that's the main point of story, not whether he's "for real" or not. Some of the things he describes don't sound like they'd be hard to predict if people can see the warning signs. To tell you the truth, I think that's the main reason I was freaked out.

He's obviously well trained in basic physics and is very sharp and insightful. Whether he's a time traveller or not he's created quite a stir and tells a great story -- he's very convincing.

Having said all that, I still don't believe that he's from 2036 but I'll never discount the possibility that something like this could actually be true. He told a very plausible story and was making a social comment on what the world might become. So hopefully the debate on whether he's "real" or not will not overshadow and blind people to the rest of what he's saying.

empu 11-05-2003 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nefir
Think about the obvious: If at any time in the future, someone invents a time machine that could go to a specific reality (and, since by definition the future holds infinite possibilities, this WILL happen, at some time, in some reality), they could visit any point in the past. This means that if NOW is the past for them, there could, and should, be an infinite number of visitors from the future hanging around, because the future itself is inifinte.

Fascinating. By the same logic, someone in the infinite future will invent a history eraser and will have erased us all by the time you

Snakebyt 11-06-2003 12:43 AM

i dont belive it, but it is very interesting to read and think about

joesmith 11-12-2003 10:19 PM

i think hes just crazy or joking, but i loved reading his site

jujueye 11-13-2003 05:04 PM

Oh. You said John TITOR. I thought you said John RITTER. Never mind.

Sledge 11-13-2003 10:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fearless_Hyena
I really encourage everyone just for a moment to stop debating on whether John Titor is actually a time traveller from 2036, and go through the site and read all his posts. It makes for a great read, and (hopefully) will freak you out like it did to me!!

The guy's brilliant. The physics may or may not be accurate but the social and political commentary he makes are amazing. Pay particular attention to his suggestions and recommendations, and his description of his future. Note his frustration with the hostility he sees from the other posters, and disgust with today's excessive, materialistic society and political events. And the commentary on the food we eat and trends in disease. I think that's the main point of story, not whether he's "for real" or not. Some of the things he describes don't sound like they'd be hard to predict if people can see the warning signs. To tell you the truth, I think that's the main reason I was freaked out.

He's obviously well trained in basic physics and is very sharp and insightful. Whether he's a time traveller or not he's created quite a stir and tells a great story -- he's very convincing.

Having said all that, I still don't believe that he's from 2036 but I'll never discount the possibility that something like this could actually be true. He told a very plausible story and was making a social comment on what the world might become. So hopefully the debate on whether he's "real" or not will not overshadow and blind people to the rest of what he's saying.

Well said. Arguing back and forth over whether or not he's real kind of misses the point.

It's a fun read. It'll make you think. If you read it at 4 AM like I did, it might creep you the fuck out. I have nothing but admiration for the writer for being able to spark such a lasting, intelligent Internet legend.

gnort 11-15-2003 04:15 PM

I think i remember reading somewhere that the story Titor tells is almost identical to the book "Alas, Babylon" just in the way the world is at the time Titor says he's from. Plus the book takes place in almost the same location in florida Titor claims to be from plus there are to many identical events to the book to even think that Titor is telling the truth. It may/maynot be true, but it's still a good read.

hahaha 11-15-2003 09:01 PM

Heh, I was hoping the time machine wouldn't look like it was made in the 80's.

itchy93 11-17-2003 02:25 PM

While some of his social/political commentary is spot-on, I don't buy it. Much of what he says is vague, and the kind of thing you would expect in thirty years. <- Let me explain.

Break any given century down in thirds, and jump from one-third to the next. Would-- could you possibly imagine half the technologies that exist? Though I didn't read all of his posts, the ones that I did were just too generic. And a lot of the stuff he talks about are just buzz-wordy. While I'm not a physicist, the explanations for actual time travel seem very vague, and the technologies/future issues just talk about implementing what was "hot" in 2000 (VoIP, Mad Cow Disease, UNIX having a Y2K-ish problem in 2038, etc.).

So, while it is cool, and entertaining the theory of an anonymous time-traveler come back to warn us of our self-destructive path is a bit creepy, I don't buy it.

Actually, the whole thing reminds me of the "What's the frequency, Kenneth?" incident.

Itchy93

__________
That's just my opinion; I could be wrong.

hy_ 11-17-2003 08:06 PM

very entertaining indeed.

Frowning Budah 11-21-2003 04:36 PM

Well if he is a fake, he is certainly an intelligent fake. I guess will just have to stick around for another year or so to find out. Interesting reading anyway.

auswegian 11-22-2003 11:13 PM

Hmm. There's no way to tell. Firstly, he was vague. Secondly, we no longer occupy the same 'worldline' as he does, which suggests we have diverged and now have the oppurtunity to change our future. Thirdly, his intervention means that butterfly effects are sweeping across the world, changing everything. Thats why vague and somewhat inevitable predictions like the Chinese space launch have come true. Every time someone new hears about John Titor, their lives change and the worldlines diverge further.

So, maybe its a hoax, maybe he really is from the future. Now, its no longer possible to tell.

Fearless_Hyena 03-01-2004 04:22 PM

Hope y'all don't mind the *BUMP*. I've recommended this thread to a few folks recently and most thought it was just as interesting as I did.

http://www.johntitor.com
is the site to check out (since we're on page 2 now).

The guy tells a good story, and I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on his social/political commentary. The guy started posting in 2000 and people are still talking about him. There's plenty of discussions on the net trying to debunk his story but to this day there is still no solid evidence/information that has done so.

If nothing else it's an entertaining read and might very well freak you out ;)

fillips 03-04-2004 11:18 PM

A world war in 2015 killed nearly three
billion people.

we'll have to see about that :D

theburner 03-05-2004 09:09 AM

Excellent "fiction". I have to admit it sucked me in. I started off only wanting to read the first month, and ended up reading the entire history of the posts!
His knowledge of physics and engineering, as well as his social commentary are very compelling. Someone either went to elaborate lengths so fool us, or............................

hulk 03-05-2004 09:18 PM

That's it =) The unknown. I guess we'll see if he's right by next year, and if he is, I'm so fucking off with a gun into the mountains it's not funny.

Astrocloud 03-05-2004 09:51 PM

His timeline had Y2K and ours did not.

Zander 03-07-2004 02:05 AM

Time travel would not work because of the butterfly effect:

John Titor comes back in time, and all his predictions are untrue due to the "butterfly effect" that his presence here has changed the future.

But if he changed the future, then the future would be different and he would have never come back in the time machine in the first place.

So hah.

hulk 03-07-2004 06:37 AM

Did you even read his theory? He is not from _our_ future, he comes from an alternate timeline. Infinite parallel universes. For every choice that's able to be made, there's a universe where each outcome happened.

opackfan 03-07-2004 08:48 PM

When I read this a few months back, I too was freaked out, but then I also heard somewhere that he was proven to be fake, unfortunately I don't have the link with me that disproves him.

Ustwo 03-07-2004 09:28 PM

Oh boy Robert Heinlein!
Or Sliders if thats more your thing!

The guy makes these predictions and then gives himself an out with 'alternate universes'. I wouldn't be surprised if we were bombed in 2015 thanks to some asshat who gave China a lot of missle tech in the 90's but even if it happened I wouldn't think this guy was real.

hulk 03-08-2004 12:03 AM

Even if he isn't real, he does make some good points about what a shithouse world we live in. And how to be prepared for a nuke strike =)

Xenomorph 03-08-2004 06:54 AM

I need more Sliders in my life. Why, oh why, did it have to leave us.

At least John Rhys-Davies lives on in Gimli.

I had also heard somewhere that he'd started the shtick again elsewhere and someone traced his IP and revealed him. Not that I really care, or need any 'proof' to debunk this kind of thing.

ngdawg 03-27-2004 10:19 PM

In the 7th grade english classes where I worked, one of the required books to read was 'The Giver' a furturistic novel. Just glancing over the site featured, there are similarities in way of cummunity set-up, manner of dress, etc. Also, if he is from 2036, couldn't he have used a more recent car than one obviously from the 1960's??? If you want to be enthralled by the possibiltiy of seeing the future-read the writings of Nostradamus-at least we know he was from the distant past.

hulk 03-28-2004 07:06 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ngdawg
c. Also, if he is from 2036, couldn't he have used a more recent car than one obviously from the 1960's???
Read his site =) A modern car wouldn't have fit in very well in the 1960's, would it? =P

synic213 03-30-2004 04:32 PM

Very interesting. I enjoyed the read.

shakran 03-30-2004 05:27 PM

one of his first quotes is "I have nothing to sell."

Yeah? Then what's that banner ad at the top of the page selling the Titor story all about?

Sheesh, the guy perpetrated a hoax and now he's actuallygetting money for a book.

Dude's more full of shit than a stable.

yotta 03-30-2004 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by micah67
And only at the rate of one second per second.
This is false, we can travel forward in time faster then this due to that fact that time is relative.

http://archive.ncsa.uiuc.edu/Cyberia...elativity.html

silverback 04-01-2004 08:34 PM

That is some pretty wierd stuff. Its kinda cool to think time travel possible but I have doubts this guy is for real.

macmanmike6100 04-03-2004 01:43 AM

i think it's possible but clearly this guy's a fake. i think it wouldn't even be a question if he were serious.

cait987 04-03-2004 04:09 PM

Hes a fake, It was proven a while back I wish I kept the link to the board that did it but this sums it up:

Pretty much he vanished then he comes back under another name as another prophesizer and then pretty much the person on the original board he posted on tracked his location and so on and then he finally cracked under a private message, the screenshot was posted after that.

He got all the stuff from some time machine game made in 1998, the name slips my mind.

Ill look a bit but this was a good 6 months ago so I doubt I can find it ><

To the pictures: IIRC, they are pictures of a machine in WWII that didnt work or some crap like that I really wish I payed more attention to this stuff but I figured no one would ever care again ^^

(I may sound like Im making this up since I have no sources Im just telling you what ive found Ide like to give a link but well the internets pretty big ><)

asudevil83 04-04-2004 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ngdawg
In the 7th grade english classes where I worked, one of the required books to read was 'The Giver' a furturistic novel. Just glancing over the site featured, there are similarities in way of cummunity set-up, manner of dress, etc. Also, if he is from 2036, couldn't he have used a more recent car than one obviously from the 1960's??? If you want to be enthralled by the possibiltiy of seeing the future-read the writings of Nostradamus-at least we know he was from the distant past.
thats a pretty amazing book. i had to read it way back in 7th grade (almost 9 years ago).

CamaroRS1967 04-04-2004 06:57 PM

One thing is for sure...this guy is brilliant! The more that I read the more I started to believe it. I do think time travel is possible, but it's one of those vociferous cycles that screws with your brain. It definately freaked me out, but now I am excited to see if it will be true...just to see if it is conceivable. Wow, good read.

Giltwist 04-24-2004 09:05 AM

I dunno, the way things are looking over in the politics board, if bush were to win again, especially if it was a close race, I could see civil unrest leading to a civil war.

Although, the only future date I am keeping an eye on is December 21, 2012.

Dostoevsky 04-26-2004 07:18 PM

Man, I got sucked into that sight BIG-TIME. I read for like 2 hours and then followed links to other scientific sights about string theory and different dimensions and.... I'm not sure if any of that stuff is true but I'll tell you what, he made some really good points about government being our enemy. Trading freedom for protection is a very bad idea. If government talks us out of our right to bear arms than we have no way to resist its complete control.

00111000 04-27-2004 10:12 AM

Whoa...weird stuff. Although I don't believe it, Im gonna go buy a gun.

merkerguitars 04-28-2004 09:22 PM

It is a very facsinating website and like most of you said...only time will tell......

Plus if he was the real deal...the government would of had him locked up him up so fast.....and then questioned his ass....

Also as a side note...
Why the hell would General Electric made the time traveling device....i know they are a big company, but I would think other companies would come closer to making this technology......

d3f1 04-28-2004 11:56 PM

The whole time travel idea is possible. I mean the faster matter is projected, the slower time is around it. So, In theory if he developed some way of going the "speed of light" ( very damn fast ) or even faster, he could have slowed time down so much that he went in reverse?

assilem 04-30-2004 09:23 AM

I found JohnTitor.com about a year ago. I read the whole thing five times over. It is very disturbing. It is hard to believe, but if you look at the events taking place in our world right now, it is not hard to imagine what he talks about taking place.

Quote:

Originally posted by 00111000
Whoa...weird stuff. Although I don't believe it, Im gonna go buy a gun.
I'm with you 00111000. I told my wife after reading the site that just to be safe we were going to move to Nebraska and buy all of the guns I could get my hands on.

MR_WALLACE 04-30-2004 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by d3f1
The whole time travel idea is possible. I mean the faster matter is projected, the slower time is around it. So, In theory if he developed some way of going the "speed of light" ( very damn fast ) or even faster, he could have slowed time down so much that he went in reverse?

You can't go faster then the lightspeed. Or maybe Einstein was wrong........ then you can.

hulk 05-01-2004 04:32 AM

There was a group of scientists who made a beam of light travel faster than the speed of light =) They accelerated it, so it entered the special chamber they used after it left =D Wheee, spacetime!

MR_WALLACE 05-01-2004 05:27 AM

According to Einstein's theory of relativity, nothing with mass -- like people or things -- can ever go faster than light. But something with no mass, like a packet of light waves known as a pulse, can.

nickt 05-04-2004 08:29 PM

You cant help but think there is some merit in such an elaborate story...he had me glued to my monitor for a few hours reading all the posts and commentary on the web about him.

Rationality says that it is just a very clever stroy...but you always have that thought in the back of your mind...you know the one..."what if it is true?"

I gues we'll find out later this year!

Piston Honda 05-05-2004 08:15 AM

I also read somewhere that he had taken the whole story-line about the future from some online RPG or something.

I did a bunch of poking around about this guy a few months back. I found some crazy website where a few (maybe 3) crackpots were still mesmorized by the thing. One of them claimed to have seen Titor in dreams and thought he was actively involved in her life.

I also saw a similar thing somewhere where a guy started posting on a message board claiming to be an alien and was taking questions. A lot of people seemed to think it was the same guy.

nate_dawg 05-05-2004 08:15 PM

reminds me of this.......

www.zetatalk.org

woman claimed she could predict future events because she was being channelled by a group of aliens called "zetas"

she pulled from the sitchin theories, but claimed that the earth would experience a pole shift in may or some such shit......

BlueGoose 05-09-2004 09:30 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by hulk
There was a group of scientists who made a beam of light travel faster than the speed of light =) They accelerated it, so it entered the special chamber they used after it left =D Wheee, spacetime!
Do you have a link? As far as I've known no one has ever moved something faster than the speed of light. Well, 'cept Gamma rays and stuff like that.

gondath 05-10-2004 01:12 AM

The debate over whether or not he is telling is truth reminds me of the plot of Kpax. A man comes to earth and claims to be a visitor from a faraway planet. Despite some accurate information he provides, it's impossible to tell whether he is really who he says he is or insane.

Jesus Malverde 05-10-2004 01:21 AM

Wow I read this story a long time ago, it's cool to see that a lot of other people found it as interesting as I did. I don't believe it, but I have to admit it was a very unnerving thing to read. If something like that would ever happen, now or 100 years from now, it would be terrible.

I told a bunch of people about the site, and some of them actually think some of it is real.

roadkill 05-11-2004 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by merkerguitars

Also as a side note...
Why the hell would General Electric made the time traveling device....i know they are a big company, but I would think other companies would come closer to making this technology......


Because $$$ they got the money and the man power to fuck up and not care about the first or fiftyth guy they send there that doesnt come back, also they are leading in a lot of computing stuff, or were a few years back, they could be closer then WE know :S

blahblah454 05-22-2004 12:00 AM

the thing that pisses me off is that there no NO EXACT DATES to anything with these guys.. they say civil war in 2004, why the hell dont thay say that North Calgary is going to go into a civil war with south Calgary to take over the oil business and thus control alberta in such a such way. they are always very vuage so as soon as anything remotely similar happens people jump and support it.

Stompy 05-22-2004 05:27 PM

This was proved wrong a long time ago.

His story came from some "do it yourself" pen & paper RPG made back in 1981 that had to do with time travel.

I can't believe the guy got this many people actually question whether or not he's telling the truth :lol:

blahblah454 05-22-2004 07:46 PM

hey stompy i dont think its real but could you please go more in depth to what you said

hulk 05-23-2004 03:12 AM

Yeah, a couple of people have posted that it's fake and not backed it up. Please do =)

Stompy 05-23-2004 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by hulk
Yeah, a couple of people have posted that it's fake and not backed it up. Please do =)
Back it up? Hahaha, you're telling me to back up my claim that this man isn't a time traveler? :lol:

Take a minute to think about what you just said.

I'll take a look around when I have more time and will post the link. I read the article sometime last summer in which it explained the RPG. Even had a picture of the box. I don't remember what it was called, but it was an RPG geared toward people who wanted to make their own. It gave you the basis of the storyline which was a post-apocalyptic scenario. All the person had to do was fill in gaps.

Trust me, the man is NOT from the future. Believing this is like believing David Blane can actually do real magic. It's an illusion and I'm shocked at the amount of people that do question whether or not it's real.

Asking someone to disprove it is like asking to disprove that the events in Star Wars actually took place a long time ago in a galaxy far far away. Sure, George Lucas made the story, but... what's to say an alien that keeps universal history didn't deliver it to him? Well, the reason most people wouldn't believe it because it's too far fetched. Trust me, we won't have the technology in 30 years to travel back in time.

Doesn't mean it's not a good read, but yes, it's fake. I promise.

[edit]

Just do a search on Google for it. First few results returned this: http://www.anomalies.net/cgi-bin/bbs...c;f=9;t=000040

and this:

http://www.spearweasel.com/rpg/twheel/darkfutr.htm


braindamage351 05-23-2004 05:47 PM

How could they tell if it moved faster than light if nothing can see it?

Willravel 08-28-2004 11:15 PM

I've checked several times some of the physics based time travel information he has listed.

Now, before I present my findings I have to say that I pride myself on being as knowledgable as a civilian can be about time travel. I read H.G. Wells at age 7 and never looked back. I hold several degrees in advanced mathmatics.


From what most theories about time travel and gravity control state, this guy is right on the money. I mean right on the money. According to theory. Assuming he has complete control over the environment inside the field, it could work. The problem is that Earths magnetic field is not 100% consistant. The only place that this could work is in an environment that is unnefected by gravity, radiation, and what I call string flux. This place could only theoretically exist in a very specific area of space. I suppose several of the theories I am basing my conclusions on could be completly wrong. To be honest, I don't think we are very close to time travel with this type of device.

I don't want to get into great detail, but if you want to ask me questions, please do.

I think what really gets my attention about this isn't the science. It isn't the civil war. It isn't even the massive World War III. What really gets my attention is the social state he described. I was amazed as I sat in my chair reading about what I still consider a possible time stream. The family/community/localization state of what he was talking about it facinating. I've often wondered what would happen if 'all this crap' ended. Every day things DO get worse. We are fooled and tricked and lied to so often that an end seems more than just possible; it seems likely. It's okay to be scared by a loss of rights. Remember that this discussion was going on between November 2000 and January 2001. This predates the September 11 attacks. He also mentioned a president in 2004 who was like Abe Lincoln, in that he tried to reunite the US. Could that have been Kerry? Sounds damned close to me. I mean the guy even looks like Lincoln. I have a lot to think about. Even if this is a different or non existant timestream, just the fact that it could happen should scare people. I know I have a lot to think about.

redarrow 08-29-2004 07:31 PM

Because the future has an infinite number of possibilities, therefore many people from the future would be here.

Yet they are not, so that means three things:

1) The world is about to end, therefore there are no humans left to figure out time travel.

2) Time travel is impossible. At least in a backwards way.

3) There are people here from the future, they are just not revealing themselves -->
a) There are no major wars in the future for us to be warned about
b) The future-people are afraid of affecting our world, since their own existance can be terminated if they do the wrong thing (I remember somewhere on the TFP about if someone went back in time and asked an Austrian farmer for directions to a village, the farmer would not have met a woman and would not have had Hitler. Then WWII would not happen, so no baby boomers, so no technical revolution, so a more primitive world would exist, so time travel wouldnt exist at the time of the time travelers departure.. That raises some questions..)
^^^
Does that mean that the time traveler would simply 'not exist' if he tapped that Austrian farmer's shoulder? Or would he still exist, but unable to go forward in time again?

Very confusing. Makes me wonder....why do we even care?

Kid_Karysma 08-29-2004 11:22 PM

Real or not, I just crapped my pants.

Stare At The Sun 08-30-2004 01:09 AM

Are the Olympics still being played in the future?

60. As a result of the many conflicts, no, there were no official Olympics after 2004. However, it appears they may be revived in 2040.

We shall see about that one, fairly soon.

08-30-2004 01:54 AM

Interesting reading, entertaining anyhow. I'm buying more ammo just in case.

pedro padilla 09-06-2004 11:25 PM

who knows? lots of it seems totally logical. if bush and cronies do jack the election, (and you can bet they will if they think they´re gonna lose) i myself would be ready for a little civil disobedience. could it lead to civil war? given the state of affairs of the world its not too far fetched. fear and war keep these elite assholes in their positions of power. regardless, the guy had his finger on the pulse and was a very astute judge of where current events may soon take us.
do i believe it. Hell no. But whoever the fuck he is, was or shall be, he´s a pretty sharp cookie. well planned and executed hoax.

The Phenomenon 09-07-2004 03:40 AM

That = Load of Crap.

The Phenomenon 09-07-2004 03:47 AM

To the people who say a lot of stuff he says is logical: You're crazy. He does not back up a single statement he made.

Why would they need Shit old computers to interpret new APL and BASIC code? Come'on!

And Unix stops working in 2038? Why? What a load of crap. "And I am sure some UNIX engineer can confirm this"

Yeah Im sure.

This is a load of bollocks.

The Phenomenon 09-07-2004 03:55 AM

Ok come on! They can timetravel, but they can't write a translator for BASIC and APL code? PUUUUUUUUUUUUUHLEAAASE.

he acts like this "feature" is unique to the 5100 series computers, which is nonsense, since they would not build a compiler into the the hardware, but into software.

Bustello 10-29-2004 08:14 PM

I have just found the site about john titor and wanted to publish it here... Well, it seems i was defeated...

Anyway, I also feel that I need some answers. For instance: how come humanity has developed a time machine so early (2036)? why did he chose the internet to make his predictions public? Why didn't he go to the government or something? I am intrigued. :crazy:

Rdr4evr 10-29-2004 08:40 PM

I read this site several months ago and recall him saying America will have a civil war in 2005, correct? If so, we will find out if he is the real deal come next year.

asudevil83 10-30-2004 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rdr4evr
I read this site several months ago and recall him saying America will have a civil war in 2005, correct? If so, we will find out if he is the real deal come next year.

it'll be over this election...or the results of the election and what people think it will mean for out foreign policy and domestic safety..............IF WE HAVE ONE.


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