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John Titor, Real Time Traveler
I just found about this guy from a link from Sledge. Apparently he is a real time traveler from the year 2036. This is really interesting and makes you wonder about some things. Although, he said some of this stuff about a civil war was going to start in 2004 and that sounds a little soon for me. Do you think he's for real? http://www.johntitor.com/
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That is quite convincing, although I do have some doubts. I would've liked to talk to him.
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indeed intriguing. I wont say whether i would believe it or not because i don't know really what to think. it is interesting to read though. either it's true or someone had a shitload of time on their hands. and i mean a LOT
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Here are some pictures of the time machine and schematics.
http://www.anomalies.net/time_travel/fetch2.jpg http://www.anomalies.net/time_travel/PT2.jpg http://www.anomalies.net/time_travel/PT3.jpg http://www.anomalies.net/time_travel/fetch6.jpg http://www.anomalies.net/time_travel/fetch.jpg That last one I found particularly strange. See how the laser bends? The beam is being bent by the gravitational field produced by the distortion unit. This picture is supposed to be from the year 2035 during John's training and the man in the picture is his instructor. |
Looks suspiciously similar to a flux capacitor.
Seriously though, I had a good read through the site and found it very entertaining. That guy seems to know what he's talking about. Do I think he's for real? No. |
He does seem to know what hes talking about but the part about where he could leave a message on the internet in this worldline and be able to recover it in another but not being able to remember making it didnt make much since
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Time Travel is possible, but not to your world. You go to different world Alternate reality, Parallel Worlds. It is common knowledge that, if you do somehow make to the world you lived in, it would cause such disruption that the Universe will begin to experience Time Shocks which is event happening out of order, such as dinosaurs walking the earth, civil war, W II, 9/11, and so forth and so forth. These events will keep on happening until the space-time continuum explodes. The only way to travel in to your own earth is with a Null Field. Which vibrates you out of synch with time continuum. As of yet though the Null Field hasn't been proven a success.
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This was supposed to be a quote by Titor:
"Your example of what people would do based on something I might say is accurate. However, my concern would be the potential actions of a single person, not the masses. In 1963, if I suggested that someone should watch the book depository windows as the President went by, the actions of a single person might have a huge impact on history. You also asked if I've visited my "past" family. That's where I am now." Why did he use an analogy of Kennedy's assassination? He makes it seem as if he had very little education as a youth and when he was older history lessons were very limited. I know it's knitpicking, but is this really an example someone from his furture would use? edit: More contradictions. Our money is usable as currency in the future. This makes no sense. The federal government has fallen, the federal reserve bank is probably gone with as well. Money from today would be as valued as money from the Confederacy of the Civil War, only for it's historical or collector's value. "Automobiles are used mostly for sport and some transportation." Would this agrarian civilization have the resources to refine petroleum for sporting purposes? The new federal government is situated in Omaha Nebraska. Currently the U.S. Strategic Command (formerly Strategic Air Command) is at Offutt Air Base in Bellevue Nebraska located 10 miles from downtown Omaha. According to Titor, when the bombs start falling they take out all major cities and military installations. WTF, did the Russians forget to bomb one of the most important military sites in North America, or is the new Federal Government located in one of the most highly radioactive locations in the country? |
Although quite entertaining, this guy doesn't convince me. He sure has put a lot of research into it though. We'll just have to wait and see...
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"Wait and see" would probably be the most practical and easily performed method of travelling to the future anyway...
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As I said in the thread in the general discussion, I think he's a fake.
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Of course time travel is possible.
The problem is, we only know how to go forward right now :) |
Probably a liar but anything is possible.
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That bent laser seems suspiciously similar to a fiber optic tube that has a rough surface in order to allow the sides to light up.
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even though this guy is probably one of the best story tellers out there, he does seem pretty damn convincing. some of the stuff he has predicted has come true, or their is support right now in current events that could lead to some of his predictions coming true.
i was browsing around reading a message board that is pretty much dedicated to analyzing the "facts" that he provided. some of the stuff is pretty intriguing. Quote:
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Well, there are just too many reasons (in my mind anyway) why this isnt possible. But still, I have to agree that that guy a pretty damn smart. I went through the entire site and he was pretty convicing. Maybe it was just a hobby of his to try to fool as many people as possible. The thing is, most people really WANT to believe it (wouldnt that be cool?) but deep down, I dont think anybody really does. I dont know if I really want 3 billions people to die in 2015, but I guess it would be sort of "cool" to know time traveling is possible. Anyway, that guy would make a great sect leader.
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I am not about judge this guy. I am skeptical, as I should be, but there's also one argument that could be made, which will halt any counter-argument, because neither side can be proved to be correct or incorrect.
Think about the obvious: If at any time in the future, someone invents a time machine that could go to a specific reality (and, since by definition the future holds infinite possibilities, this WILL happen, at some time, in some reality), they could visit any point in the past. This means that if NOW is the past for them, there could, and should, be an infinite number of visitors from the future hanging around, because the future itself is inifinte. It boggles the mind, doesn't it? |
man if that war thing is right then well shit.... i'm so fucked :(
something that i noticed and since i'm very tired after readin majority of the site is that, and i dont know if this has been noted yet, is that he come in 2000 right same year bush is elected then a war happens in 2004 next year the year bush could loose his power, so if bush is that power hungry why wouldent he put up a fight the other thing i noticed is that he points out, sry i cant quote this, is that he points out FL's state vote thingie, cant rember its name lol sry i havent voted yet lol, but any way i wanted to know what ya thing about that |
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Well he kept talking about time lines, there is no guarentee that this is the future for our time line, besides the time is to be dictated like an open book, if everything where pre-determined well... I dunno, guess we will have to wait two years to find out.
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I don't mean to hijack the thread, but it had to be said. |
I'd just like to say that I found this whole thread and the link really interesting. Thanks for poasting it.
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Well now china is in space like he said and CERN http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2003/10/17/net_speed031017
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i have 2 comments on this one.
1st the future is infinite and as the old addage goes an infinte number of munkies could write shakespear (or build a time machine) 2nd in all acutallity to build a time machine you would need a ungodly amount of Anti-Matter (imaginary matter) to go back wards and to go forwards thru time ud need about the mass of jupiter to go at a rate of 3:1 (3 years for every one year inside) and all of this would have to be situated around you at a proper distance of 2.6 meters (if im not mistaken) |
Of course time travel is possible. Haven't any of you seen Donnie Darko?
/Sarcasm |
In one post he says the civil war will start in 2004, and another he says 2005.
I guess this is extreme nitpicking... but.. EH. He also said that Health Care in the Future is comparable to Western Films, where if you get a serious disease, you die. I find it.. hard to believe that they have technology to Time Travel and yet not to Cure Diseases that are Curable today. I'm skeptical, but it's interesting. |
I guess only time will tell if this fellow is right...
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good entertainment. I do beleive it is possible. I have always been facinated by Time Travel and caught a lot of moments thinking about time itself.
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It's fake, there was an article somewhere on the net about it, and that it's just another internet hoax - to no surprise. You gotta be pretty stupid to believe it.
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hell i don't think he's for real, i don't believe it for a minute, but then again why did i just get really freaked while reading that website?
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I beleive it is possible and I beleive this until I see a reason not to beleive him. |
I really encourage everyone just for a moment to stop debating on whether John Titor is actually a time traveller from 2036, and go through the site and read all his posts. It makes for a great read, and (hopefully) will freak you out like it did to me!!
The guy's brilliant. The physics may or may not be accurate but the social and political commentary he makes are amazing. Pay particular attention to his suggestions and recommendations, and his description of his future. Note his frustration with the hostility he sees from the other posters, and disgust with today's excessive, materialistic society and political events. And the commentary on the food we eat and trends in disease. I think that's the main point of story, not whether he's "for real" or not. Some of the things he describes don't sound like they'd be hard to predict if people can see the warning signs. To tell you the truth, I think that's the main reason I was freaked out. He's obviously well trained in basic physics and is very sharp and insightful. Whether he's a time traveller or not he's created quite a stir and tells a great story -- he's very convincing. Having said all that, I still don't believe that he's from 2036 but I'll never discount the possibility that something like this could actually be true. He told a very plausible story and was making a social comment on what the world might become. So hopefully the debate on whether he's "real" or not will not overshadow and blind people to the rest of what he's saying. |
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i dont belive it, but it is very interesting to read and think about
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i think hes just crazy or joking, but i loved reading his site
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Oh. You said John TITOR. I thought you said John RITTER. Never mind.
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It's a fun read. It'll make you think. If you read it at 4 AM like I did, it might creep you the fuck out. I have nothing but admiration for the writer for being able to spark such a lasting, intelligent Internet legend. |
I think i remember reading somewhere that the story Titor tells is almost identical to the book "Alas, Babylon" just in the way the world is at the time Titor says he's from. Plus the book takes place in almost the same location in florida Titor claims to be from plus there are to many identical events to the book to even think that Titor is telling the truth. It may/maynot be true, but it's still a good read.
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Heh, I was hoping the time machine wouldn't look like it was made in the 80's.
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While some of his social/political commentary is spot-on, I don't buy it. Much of what he says is vague, and the kind of thing you would expect in thirty years. <- Let me explain.
Break any given century down in thirds, and jump from one-third to the next. Would-- could you possibly imagine half the technologies that exist? Though I didn't read all of his posts, the ones that I did were just too generic. And a lot of the stuff he talks about are just buzz-wordy. While I'm not a physicist, the explanations for actual time travel seem very vague, and the technologies/future issues just talk about implementing what was "hot" in 2000 (VoIP, Mad Cow Disease, UNIX having a Y2K-ish problem in 2038, etc.). So, while it is cool, and entertaining the theory of an anonymous time-traveler come back to warn us of our self-destructive path is a bit creepy, I don't buy it. Actually, the whole thing reminds me of the "What's the frequency, Kenneth?" incident. Itchy93 __________ That's just my opinion; I could be wrong. |
very entertaining indeed.
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Well if he is a fake, he is certainly an intelligent fake. I guess will just have to stick around for another year or so to find out. Interesting reading anyway.
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Hmm. There's no way to tell. Firstly, he was vague. Secondly, we no longer occupy the same 'worldline' as he does, which suggests we have diverged and now have the oppurtunity to change our future. Thirdly, his intervention means that butterfly effects are sweeping across the world, changing everything. Thats why vague and somewhat inevitable predictions like the Chinese space launch have come true. Every time someone new hears about John Titor, their lives change and the worldlines diverge further.
So, maybe its a hoax, maybe he really is from the future. Now, its no longer possible to tell. |
Hope y'all don't mind the *BUMP*. I've recommended this thread to a few folks recently and most thought it was just as interesting as I did.
http://www.johntitor.com is the site to check out (since we're on page 2 now). The guy tells a good story, and I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on his social/political commentary. The guy started posting in 2000 and people are still talking about him. There's plenty of discussions on the net trying to debunk his story but to this day there is still no solid evidence/information that has done so. If nothing else it's an entertaining read and might very well freak you out ;) |
A world war in 2015 killed nearly three
billion people. we'll have to see about that :D |
Excellent "fiction". I have to admit it sucked me in. I started off only wanting to read the first month, and ended up reading the entire history of the posts!
His knowledge of physics and engineering, as well as his social commentary are very compelling. Someone either went to elaborate lengths so fool us, or............................ |
That's it =) The unknown. I guess we'll see if he's right by next year, and if he is, I'm so fucking off with a gun into the mountains it's not funny.
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His timeline had Y2K and ours did not.
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Time travel would not work because of the butterfly effect:
John Titor comes back in time, and all his predictions are untrue due to the "butterfly effect" that his presence here has changed the future. But if he changed the future, then the future would be different and he would have never come back in the time machine in the first place. So hah. |
Did you even read his theory? He is not from _our_ future, he comes from an alternate timeline. Infinite parallel universes. For every choice that's able to be made, there's a universe where each outcome happened.
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When I read this a few months back, I too was freaked out, but then I also heard somewhere that he was proven to be fake, unfortunately I don't have the link with me that disproves him.
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Oh boy Robert Heinlein!
Or Sliders if thats more your thing! The guy makes these predictions and then gives himself an out with 'alternate universes'. I wouldn't be surprised if we were bombed in 2015 thanks to some asshat who gave China a lot of missle tech in the 90's but even if it happened I wouldn't think this guy was real. |
Even if he isn't real, he does make some good points about what a shithouse world we live in. And how to be prepared for a nuke strike =)
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I need more Sliders in my life. Why, oh why, did it have to leave us.
At least John Rhys-Davies lives on in Gimli. I had also heard somewhere that he'd started the shtick again elsewhere and someone traced his IP and revealed him. Not that I really care, or need any 'proof' to debunk this kind of thing. |
In the 7th grade english classes where I worked, one of the required books to read was 'The Giver' a furturistic novel. Just glancing over the site featured, there are similarities in way of cummunity set-up, manner of dress, etc. Also, if he is from 2036, couldn't he have used a more recent car than one obviously from the 1960's??? If you want to be enthralled by the possibiltiy of seeing the future-read the writings of Nostradamus-at least we know he was from the distant past.
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Very interesting. I enjoyed the read.
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one of his first quotes is "I have nothing to sell."
Yeah? Then what's that banner ad at the top of the page selling the Titor story all about? Sheesh, the guy perpetrated a hoax and now he's actuallygetting money for a book. Dude's more full of shit than a stable. |
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That is some pretty wierd stuff. Its kinda cool to think time travel possible but I have doubts this guy is for real.
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i think it's possible but clearly this guy's a fake. i think it wouldn't even be a question if he were serious.
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Hes a fake, It was proven a while back I wish I kept the link to the board that did it but this sums it up:
Pretty much he vanished then he comes back under another name as another prophesizer and then pretty much the person on the original board he posted on tracked his location and so on and then he finally cracked under a private message, the screenshot was posted after that. He got all the stuff from some time machine game made in 1998, the name slips my mind. Ill look a bit but this was a good 6 months ago so I doubt I can find it >< To the pictures: IIRC, they are pictures of a machine in WWII that didnt work or some crap like that I really wish I payed more attention to this stuff but I figured no one would ever care again ^^ (I may sound like Im making this up since I have no sources Im just telling you what ive found Ide like to give a link but well the internets pretty big ><) |
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One thing is for sure...this guy is brilliant! The more that I read the more I started to believe it. I do think time travel is possible, but it's one of those vociferous cycles that screws with your brain. It definately freaked me out, but now I am excited to see if it will be true...just to see if it is conceivable. Wow, good read.
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I dunno, the way things are looking over in the politics board, if bush were to win again, especially if it was a close race, I could see civil unrest leading to a civil war.
Although, the only future date I am keeping an eye on is December 21, 2012. |
Man, I got sucked into that sight BIG-TIME. I read for like 2 hours and then followed links to other scientific sights about string theory and different dimensions and.... I'm not sure if any of that stuff is true but I'll tell you what, he made some really good points about government being our enemy. Trading freedom for protection is a very bad idea. If government talks us out of our right to bear arms than we have no way to resist its complete control.
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Whoa...weird stuff. Although I don't believe it, Im gonna go buy a gun.
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It is a very facsinating website and like most of you said...only time will tell......
Plus if he was the real deal...the government would of had him locked up him up so fast.....and then questioned his ass.... Also as a side note... Why the hell would General Electric made the time traveling device....i know they are a big company, but I would think other companies would come closer to making this technology...... |
The whole time travel idea is possible. I mean the faster matter is projected, the slower time is around it. So, In theory if he developed some way of going the "speed of light" ( very damn fast ) or even faster, he could have slowed time down so much that he went in reverse?
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I found JohnTitor.com about a year ago. I read the whole thing five times over. It is very disturbing. It is hard to believe, but if you look at the events taking place in our world right now, it is not hard to imagine what he talks about taking place.
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You can't go faster then the lightspeed. Or maybe Einstein was wrong........ then you can. |
There was a group of scientists who made a beam of light travel faster than the speed of light =) They accelerated it, so it entered the special chamber they used after it left =D Wheee, spacetime!
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According to Einstein's theory of relativity, nothing with mass -- like people or things -- can ever go faster than light. But something with no mass, like a packet of light waves known as a pulse, can.
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You cant help but think there is some merit in such an elaborate story...he had me glued to my monitor for a few hours reading all the posts and commentary on the web about him.
Rationality says that it is just a very clever stroy...but you always have that thought in the back of your mind...you know the one..."what if it is true?" I gues we'll find out later this year! |
I also read somewhere that he had taken the whole story-line about the future from some online RPG or something.
I did a bunch of poking around about this guy a few months back. I found some crazy website where a few (maybe 3) crackpots were still mesmorized by the thing. One of them claimed to have seen Titor in dreams and thought he was actively involved in her life. I also saw a similar thing somewhere where a guy started posting on a message board claiming to be an alien and was taking questions. A lot of people seemed to think it was the same guy. |
reminds me of this.......
www.zetatalk.org woman claimed she could predict future events because she was being channelled by a group of aliens called "zetas" she pulled from the sitchin theories, but claimed that the earth would experience a pole shift in may or some such shit...... |
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The debate over whether or not he is telling is truth reminds me of the plot of Kpax. A man comes to earth and claims to be a visitor from a faraway planet. Despite some accurate information he provides, it's impossible to tell whether he is really who he says he is or insane.
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Wow I read this story a long time ago, it's cool to see that a lot of other people found it as interesting as I did. I don't believe it, but I have to admit it was a very unnerving thing to read. If something like that would ever happen, now or 100 years from now, it would be terrible.
I told a bunch of people about the site, and some of them actually think some of it is real. |
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Because $$$ they got the money and the man power to fuck up and not care about the first or fiftyth guy they send there that doesnt come back, also they are leading in a lot of computing stuff, or were a few years back, they could be closer then WE know :S |
the thing that pisses me off is that there no NO EXACT DATES to anything with these guys.. they say civil war in 2004, why the hell dont thay say that North Calgary is going to go into a civil war with south Calgary to take over the oil business and thus control alberta in such a such way. they are always very vuage so as soon as anything remotely similar happens people jump and support it.
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This was proved wrong a long time ago.
His story came from some "do it yourself" pen & paper RPG made back in 1981 that had to do with time travel. I can't believe the guy got this many people actually question whether or not he's telling the truth :lol: |
hey stompy i dont think its real but could you please go more in depth to what you said
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Yeah, a couple of people have posted that it's fake and not backed it up. Please do =)
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Take a minute to think about what you just said. I'll take a look around when I have more time and will post the link. I read the article sometime last summer in which it explained the RPG. Even had a picture of the box. I don't remember what it was called, but it was an RPG geared toward people who wanted to make their own. It gave you the basis of the storyline which was a post-apocalyptic scenario. All the person had to do was fill in gaps. Trust me, the man is NOT from the future. Believing this is like believing David Blane can actually do real magic. It's an illusion and I'm shocked at the amount of people that do question whether or not it's real. Asking someone to disprove it is like asking to disprove that the events in Star Wars actually took place a long time ago in a galaxy far far away. Sure, George Lucas made the story, but... what's to say an alien that keeps universal history didn't deliver it to him? Well, the reason most people wouldn't believe it because it's too far fetched. Trust me, we won't have the technology in 30 years to travel back in time. Doesn't mean it's not a good read, but yes, it's fake. I promise. [edit] Just do a search on Google for it. First few results returned this: http://www.anomalies.net/cgi-bin/bbs...c;f=9;t=000040 and this: http://www.spearweasel.com/rpg/twheel/darkfutr.htm |
How could they tell if it moved faster than light if nothing can see it?
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I've checked several times some of the physics based time travel information he has listed.
Now, before I present my findings I have to say that I pride myself on being as knowledgable as a civilian can be about time travel. I read H.G. Wells at age 7 and never looked back. I hold several degrees in advanced mathmatics. From what most theories about time travel and gravity control state, this guy is right on the money. I mean right on the money. According to theory. Assuming he has complete control over the environment inside the field, it could work. The problem is that Earths magnetic field is not 100% consistant. The only place that this could work is in an environment that is unnefected by gravity, radiation, and what I call string flux. This place could only theoretically exist in a very specific area of space. I suppose several of the theories I am basing my conclusions on could be completly wrong. To be honest, I don't think we are very close to time travel with this type of device. I don't want to get into great detail, but if you want to ask me questions, please do. I think what really gets my attention about this isn't the science. It isn't the civil war. It isn't even the massive World War III. What really gets my attention is the social state he described. I was amazed as I sat in my chair reading about what I still consider a possible time stream. The family/community/localization state of what he was talking about it facinating. I've often wondered what would happen if 'all this crap' ended. Every day things DO get worse. We are fooled and tricked and lied to so often that an end seems more than just possible; it seems likely. It's okay to be scared by a loss of rights. Remember that this discussion was going on between November 2000 and January 2001. This predates the September 11 attacks. He also mentioned a president in 2004 who was like Abe Lincoln, in that he tried to reunite the US. Could that have been Kerry? Sounds damned close to me. I mean the guy even looks like Lincoln. I have a lot to think about. Even if this is a different or non existant timestream, just the fact that it could happen should scare people. I know I have a lot to think about. |
Because the future has an infinite number of possibilities, therefore many people from the future would be here.
Yet they are not, so that means three things: 1) The world is about to end, therefore there are no humans left to figure out time travel. 2) Time travel is impossible. At least in a backwards way. 3) There are people here from the future, they are just not revealing themselves --> a) There are no major wars in the future for us to be warned about b) The future-people are afraid of affecting our world, since their own existance can be terminated if they do the wrong thing (I remember somewhere on the TFP about if someone went back in time and asked an Austrian farmer for directions to a village, the farmer would not have met a woman and would not have had Hitler. Then WWII would not happen, so no baby boomers, so no technical revolution, so a more primitive world would exist, so time travel wouldnt exist at the time of the time travelers departure.. That raises some questions..) ^^^ Does that mean that the time traveler would simply 'not exist' if he tapped that Austrian farmer's shoulder? Or would he still exist, but unable to go forward in time again? Very confusing. Makes me wonder....why do we even care? |
Real or not, I just crapped my pants.
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Are the Olympics still being played in the future?
60. As a result of the many conflicts, no, there were no official Olympics after 2004. However, it appears they may be revived in 2040. We shall see about that one, fairly soon. |
Interesting reading, entertaining anyhow. I'm buying more ammo just in case.
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who knows? lots of it seems totally logical. if bush and cronies do jack the election, (and you can bet they will if they think they´re gonna lose) i myself would be ready for a little civil disobedience. could it lead to civil war? given the state of affairs of the world its not too far fetched. fear and war keep these elite assholes in their positions of power. regardless, the guy had his finger on the pulse and was a very astute judge of where current events may soon take us.
do i believe it. Hell no. But whoever the fuck he is, was or shall be, he´s a pretty sharp cookie. well planned and executed hoax. |
That = Load of Crap.
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To the people who say a lot of stuff he says is logical: You're crazy. He does not back up a single statement he made.
Why would they need Shit old computers to interpret new APL and BASIC code? Come'on! And Unix stops working in 2038? Why? What a load of crap. "And I am sure some UNIX engineer can confirm this" Yeah Im sure. This is a load of bollocks. |
Ok come on! They can timetravel, but they can't write a translator for BASIC and APL code? PUUUUUUUUUUUUUHLEAAASE.
he acts like this "feature" is unique to the 5100 series computers, which is nonsense, since they would not build a compiler into the the hardware, but into software. |
I have just found the site about john titor and wanted to publish it here... Well, it seems i was defeated...
Anyway, I also feel that I need some answers. For instance: how come humanity has developed a time machine so early (2036)? why did he chose the internet to make his predictions public? Why didn't he go to the government or something? I am intrigued. :crazy: |
I read this site several months ago and recall him saying America will have a civil war in 2005, correct? If so, we will find out if he is the real deal come next year.
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