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Did the shot really come from the grassy knoll? Was he assasinated by the same people that faked the moon landing? Is it possible that he is still alive but imprisoned in Cuba by Fidel? I would like some answers here, or at least good guesses.

grumpyolddude

The shot came from the knoll, totally unrelated to lunar fakery, and Fidel can't even fake a decent economy let alone forge a good cover-up.

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liquid_dreams

yea he got shot from the knoll.... i wonder what well when/if what well happen when we catch him.

limited

what if all of cuba's revenue was going to keep jfk a secret?

pkeigs

I did a research project on this this year and i must say i think the shot came from the knoll. it really amazing how many people that were directly related to the trial thing died in non natural causes. Umbrella man and all the other characters really intrested me.

Pkeigs

xman

good topic keep it going

MSD

I heard on a TLC special that all but 1 person who was within 30 feet of the car died within 10 years of unnatural causes.

A recent study of police radio recordings by a British group concluded that there is a 95% certainty that at no less than 2, and as many as 5 shots were fired. Combined wiht testimony of Mafia hit men who were approached about taking the job, I'd say that there's a good chance that it was more than a lone gunman.

miked10270

OK... Here's MY theory:

All the conspiracy theories put out so sar, and all the little bits of "new" information that are still surfacing 40+ years after the event are ALL part of a massive conspiracy theory to hide the fact that Lee-Harvey Oswald got lucky and made the Secret Service look like a bunch of French Girl-Scouts!

In suport of this theory I'll reveal this startling new information.

I used to shoot, and generally it was accepted that anyone I may shoot at would be reasonably safe as long as I didn't start aiming at something else. I recently got onto a range after a 25+ year break. There I was with a .303" No.4 Bolt-action rifle, WWII vintage even!

Anyway, at 400 yards, light steady wind, from 10 rounds I shot 2 outers to sight the weapon and then 8 bulls! Yeah!!!! 8 holes in the little white bit in the centre of the man sized target. AT 400 F'ing YARDS!!!

I am therefore a superb marksman? NO!! I was F'ing lucky. shot off those 10, got up, said "So, I can still do that", and quit while I was ahead.

Couldn't LHO have got lucky? Do we really need Elvis & the aliens behind the grassy knoll? Do we really need Fidel Castro in the trunk of the car wearing one of J Edgar Hoover's dresses?

Is "Elvis & the Aliens" a cool name for a rock 'n' roll band?

Mike.

dy156

For what it's worth, a friend of a friend of a... dying old man in South Texas said it was actually a conspiracy between LBJ and the family behind Brown and Root, a big governmental contractor that during the Vietnam war became a huge company. They were then bought by Halliburton(formerly run by Dick Cheney), and continue to get giant contracts from the military, most recently for rebuilding Iraqi infrastructure. Brown and Root got lots of $$$, LBJ got to be pres. Supposedly, Brown and Root just hired some guys, no CIA involvement, but they covered their tracks well, and LBJ steered investigation away.

Not sure I believe it, but an interesting theory.

miked10270

Err.. So... In short JFK was assassinated in 1963 so that Dick Cheney could make money out of rebuilding post invasion Iraq in 2003

Suddenly Castro in drag wearin one of J. Edgar Hoovers dresses and singing along to a CD of "Elvis and the Aliens" starts to look sensible.

Mike.

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MrSelfDestruct-
If that one guy who was near the car didn't die unnaturally, one would think that he is somehow involved, his life being spared...

BentNotTwisted

On a completely different angle... I saw a show on The Discovery Channel a while back about the life of Aristotle Onassis. He was one of, if not the richest man in the world at the time JFK was assasinated. It is known he had met Jackie K just a few months before the assasination and was enamoured with her. I don't think it's inconceivable that he wanted Jackie for himself. I mean, Onassis knew she would never divorce John and he wanted her so badly he hired someone to whack Johnnie.

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dragonhawk

Here's a little part of US history which makes you go h-m-m-m-m-m.


Abraham Lincoln was elected to Congress in 1846.

John F. Kennedy was elected to Congress in 1946.

Abraham Lincoln was elected President in 1860.

John F. Kennedy was elected President in 1960.

The names Lincoln and Kennedy each contain seven letters.

Both were particularly concerned with civil rights.

Both wives lost their children while living in the White House.

Both Presidents were shot on a Friday.

Both Presidents were shot in the head.

Lincoln's secretary was named Kennedy.

Kennedy's secretary was named Lincoln.

Both were assassinated by Southerners.

Both were succeeded by Southerners.

Both successors were named Johnson.

Andrew Johnson, who succeeded Lincoln, was born in 1808.

Lyndon Johnson, who succeeded Kennedy, was born in 1908.

John Wilkes Booth, who assassinated Lincoln, was born in 1839.

Lee Harvey Oswald, who assassinated Kennedy, was born in 1939.

Both assassins were known by their three names.

Both names are comprised of fifteen letters.

Lincoln was shot at the theater named 'Kennedy.'

Kennedy was shot in a car called 'Lincoln.'

Booth ran from the theater and was caught in a warehouse.

Oswald ran from a warehouse and was caught in a theater.

Booth and Oswald were assassinated before their trials.

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Have you ever seen the video of Oswald getting shot?
This guy walks right up in broad daylight, within a couple of feet of him, and shoots. Guards all around...

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miked10270

Hi BentNotTwisted,

Interesting point on the Jackie Bouvier / Ari Onassis thing.

Maybe we've all been looking at too big a picture with the Mafia, the Russians, J.Edgar Hoover, Etc...

Who gains most imediately on JKF's death?

Here's a scenario...

Jackie Bouvier, high class WASP marries JFK, High class WASP & he becomes president. A happy faithful marriage ensues, except we all know that JFK was anything BUT faithful. Jackie is alone, ignored and trapped in her marriage. She can't divorce him & he's ignoring her & shagging anything with a skirt & a pulse. She meets Onassis, who's attentive and rich & would marry her if she were free.

The words "'Til Death do you part" starts to loom large.

They argue in the car & she shoots him (The loving wife of the president wouldn't be searched). Initially the only thing the Secret Service are aware of is shots fired & dead President so the car takes off.

Once the dust settles can Jackie be prosecuted? No. The trial would blow apart both the presidency AND the upper reaches of American Society.

Jackie disappears into obscurity, marries her millionaire and the rest, as they say, is history.

Just a thought,

Mike.

Latch

That Lincoln-Kennedy stuff is not exactly true... (although there are a couple real coincidences in there).

http://www.snopes.com/history/american/linckenn.htm

Jonsgirl

Regardless of the "coincidences," (altough the Monroe one was funny) there always was something fishy about the whole thing...

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TRPF

A friend of mine, who is a retired special forces sniper, tells me that assassination looked to carried out by at least 3 shooters from 3 different angles. It's way to fishy to just have been Booth.

Perhaps in another 60 years when all the Fed documents go public, so light will be shed...

TM875

As for the Jackie O thing...

Before she died, Jackie wrote several personal accounts of her life down, and had them sealed in a safe deposit box. Conditions: they can't be opened until her grandkids have passed away (meaning Caroline's children). Then, and only then, will we know the truth.

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348Dav

If thats true, then you know the government will intervene and cover that up too.

muckluck

Look at the video in slow motion. You see the shot hit him in the FRONT of his head and the exit wound in the BACK.

BTW, the book depository was behing him and the grassy knoll was in front.

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Yeah... And Jackie B's gun hand was also in front...

Jonsgirl

In the video, you can also see Kennedy stop waving, look to his right, grab his throat, then you can see the first shot that hit him in the front of the head, and then a shot that took his skull off, from a different angle.

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warrrreagl

I was in the 7th grade in 1972. At that time, our assistant principal was a HUGE JFK conspiracy nut, and we had a special assembly that year just so he could lay out all of his evidence that there was a conspiracy and cover-up. It was damned freaky. None of us had ever heard of anything like that before (remember, this is before Watergate broke).

As best as I can determine, he was part of the first wave of private citizens to get going on the whole conspiracy theory stuff about JFK, so he was way ahead of most everybody else on the subject.

He died the next year in a boating accident.

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finningham

Just recently on British television; a detailed programme was aired for the approach of the 40th anniversary of the JFK assasination. It appears that with modern computer graphics and in general modern science the JFK shooting was re-enacted to see if any avidence supported the conspiracy theories. I was a firm believer that a conspiracy was involved but having watched the programme I am now sad to admit that I was wrong. It does now appear that Lee Harvey Oswald was acting alone and it was proved that the shots were fired from the book depository, using computer graphics and mathematical measurements.
Basicly NO conspiracy and the world's reluctance to see the awful truth that Oswald acted alone and Jack Ruby was also acting alone. ( Ruby) being the key to the very start of the theories.
I would now be interested to see how many will continue to hold onto the conspiracy theories despite the overwhelming scientific evidence.

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pan6467

Good ideas a couple of holes.... one Jackie and JFK were not WASP's (White Anglo-Saxon Protestants), they were Catholic and Jackie was French and from a dying rich family.

Secondly, she didn't just run off and marry Ari, it was actually AFTER Bobby's assassination in '68. She did so and said she would never return to the States because they were killing Kennedys here.

I think what happened was described above a rich Texas family and LBJ developed a plan hired a hitman and did the job. Then LBJ and his pal J. Edgar and the government machine let out some rumors and innuendoes and allowed it to blow up into what it is today. I think it was quite possibly one of the greatest conspiracies ever because few people knew, disinformation made everyone look a different way and the people responsible got away with it and got all they wanted.

Except LBJ who became a very disliked and hated president in his time.

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About 4 years back they did a special and on part of the special they interviewed 2 of the best snipers our country has. They both said that with today's rifles it is hard to shoot that many shots, that accuratly that fast. Then they tested with the rifle he supposdly used and they could'nt do it. But I guess he was just the best there ever was huh. Also I'm sure most of you have seen the footage from that day. Slow motion shows that 1 of the bullets come from a completely diffrent angle; obvious.



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dy156

If there was a conspiracy, I think the LBJ story makes the most sense. Does anyone have any good jfk conspiracy links? there are volumes out there, but I was hoping someone had sifted through much of it and could point to a good site or two.
Thanks in advance.

bravoroads

just signed up today, last night saw a show on tlc about the assasination, and they had a pic taken of the grassy knoll seconds after the shot was taken, and showing a man in a cop uniform, but it looked like there were two guys standing behind the wall. anybody know more bout this.

Willravel

There is enough information online to get the whole story. my thread http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthread.php?t=71886 is a nice introduction to what I consider the truth. Be careful visiting JFK conspiracy websites.

ravenradiodj

Noone has ever been able to duplicate Oswald's alleged marksmanship. If you don't buy the magic bullet theory, then there has to be a second gunman, and therefore, a conspiracy of at least two. I've read many books on this subject, some ok, some from the lunatic fringe, some from those who buy the government story, and a few that are truly excellent. If you read one book on this case, read Jim Marr's CROSSFIRE. Your local library should have it.

MSD

There was a show on The Discovery Channel a few days ago, and two things stood out. First, an expert analyzed the grassy knoll photo, and determined that the "people" there would have either been two feet tall, or on a ladder 30 feet behind the knoll.

A marksman also duplicated the shot almost exactly. They made an autopsy report of the marksman's shot, took it to a foreign forensic doctor, and the doctor concluded that there were almost definitely two shots, but admitted after seeing the video that it was entirely possible that there was only one.

abscondo

Au contraire, several people did it -- hit a target moving at the same speed and distance, within the time of the actual event -- in a 1975 TV special by CBS News, when they were a real news organization. JFK was only 85 yards away, and in the army LHO was accomplished at hitting targets 200 yards away.

But there was nothing magic about that bullet. The way JFK and Connally were actually sitting in the car -- Connally inboard and turned at an angle -- their wounds line up perfectly with the sixth floor window. Plus the bullet's not really in "pristine" condition.

Then read "Case Closed" by Gerald Posner. He methodically demolishes a lot of the distortions and falsehoods that everybody "knows" about the case, and comes to a shocking conclusion: the Warren Commission was basically right, except for mixing up the order of the shots.

Let's face it, there's a cottage industry dedicated to perpetuating the conspiracy myth. Given that it's given them a good livelihood (and an undeserved career boost, in the case of Jim Garrison), some people will argue long and hard.

And DON'T get me started about Oliver Stone...

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dX927

my high school senior English teacher told us a whole big story that i won't go into right now for fear of my life and because it goes back around 20 years before Kennedy was even elected. at the end of the story, he told us that a few years earlier, he told the same story to another class of students. one approached him afterwards and told him that he intended on working for the government and that if he ever found out anything, that he would somehow let him know. he then said that he had the kid's younger brother in a class a few years later. the kid came up to him one day after class and told him "hey Mr. Smith [names changed to protect the innocent lol], my brother called me up the other night and told me that he had a message for you but all he said was to tell you that you were right but didn't say what he was talking about."

really freaky stuff.

bal8664

Anyone played the game JFK Reloaded? its whole purpose is to re-enact the Kennedy Assasination as accuratly as possible. You play as Oswald.

http://www.jfkreloaded.com/

You can watch replays of your shots from any of the famous angles, Zapruder, Knoll, Etc.

Dyze

I played the demo of this game, but it's not worth for me buying it. The strange thing is the purpose of this game: if you manage to duplicate the shots, prove the theory of the lone gunman, you get the chance to win $ 100,000. I bet a lot of people will spend their nights on that.
Besides that, nice game, nice graphics, try it.

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ObieX

The umbrella man is the thing that always stands out for me. The timing, the fact that it wasn't raining (?) and the placement of the man is just way too fishy to ignore.

Does anyone have a place to get the video online? I'd be interested in seeing his reaction during/after the event. The higher the quality the better, i have a cable modem, no worries on size (i just dont trust links off search engines anymore )

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ObieX:

These frames are probably best resolution you are going to find, the infamous Frame 313 is especially gory.

<img src="http://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z226.jpg">

See the rest here: http://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/

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ObieX

Thank you

I like what seems to be a giant question mark in the top right corner, rather fitting i think.

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fastom

But, but, but... that Zapruder tape has been fiddled with. The original would be more revealing. You know in that evenings newpaper the stories said several shots fired and as many as seven from several witnesses. This of course was before the "official" story was concocted.

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