Superstition, what do you believe - Page 2 - Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

Jonsgirl · 07-27-2003, 06:12 PM

I'm really picky about never closing a knife that you didn't open. When I spill salt I toss some over my left sohulder. I try to remember to knock on wood to un-jinx myself; and I never let a swing stop on it's own. I also kiss my wedding ring whenever I take it off, which isn't often. I don't think that's superstitious, just a preference.

bukaki22 · 07-28-2003, 09:57 AM

karma

Ralvek · 07-28-2003, 05:11 PM

I am very superstitious about sports. I always sit in the same spot during a winning streak and turn my tv to the same volume. During my Wild's Stanley Cup run this last spring I ate the same dinner every night they had a game and sat in the same spot. I kid you not that when they lost I was watching the game at a friggin' bar!

jeenyus · 07-29-2003, 07:27 AM

1.never ever runinto a car wearing a silvernecklace.
2.never jump off a 12 foot story building with a piece of cotton on.

snoop · 07-29-2003, 04:35 PM

I believe I'll have another beer . . . .

GakFace · 07-31-2003, 05:28 PM

Jeenyus: not to poke or anything... But isn't running into a car bad luck in and of itself?

if course your second one makes me want to think you're just joking anyways... as only a few people jump off building and its a GOOD thing (Stuntmen)

Mephisto2 · 07-31-2003, 06:32 PM

Nothing.

Superstitious people are stupid.

Life is as you see it.

There are no ghosts, no "superior beings" and probably no other life in the Universe.

Almost 99.9% of every single living human on the planet will be dead in 100 years.

Make what you can of life, as you're dead a long time.

Mr Mephisto

GakFace · 07-31-2003, 07:02 PM

are stupid? Becareful how you phrase this. You can debate what I think, and what other people think, but to name call will not be acceptable.

As for the debating part. Why don't you explain yourself more as to why there is NOTHING in this vast Galaxy except us. Also how about more reasons as to why Spirits do not exist.

Mephisto2 · 07-31-2003, 07:52 PM

That's a fair comment GakFace.

How about "I believe people who believe in ghosts and fairies and leprechauns are stupid"?

You are also using cyclical argument.

If you believe in ghosts, please prove their existence to me.

You cannot.

Basing one's belief (and this is a core tenet in Christianity also) upon faith raises alarm-bells; at least for me.

The onus is on you, or those who believe in "supernatural" phenomena to prove their existence. Not on me to prove they don't exist.

And, just to clarify, I was not calling names. Just telling it like I see it. I hope I didn't insult you.

Also, I did not say there "was NOTHING in this vast Galaxy" [sic] but us. I said extra-terrestrial life is unlikey to exist.

Are you familiar with Drake's Formula? Before you go plugging numbers into
N = R* x fp x ne x fl x fi x fc x L (see http://www.angelfire.com/on2/daviddarling/DrakeEq.htm for more info), you should consider Fermi's Paradox

Try the following sites:
http://www.etcontact.net/newsite/Top...sp?Topic=Fermi
http://xray.sai.msu.ru/~lipunov/text/ashkl/node3.html

And most especially:

http://www.space.com/searchforlife/s...ox_011024.html

Have fun and remember... Watch the skies!!!

LOL

Mr Mephisto

dellamag6 · 08-02-2003, 12:58 PM

I believe it's bad luck to sleep with a linebackers girlfriend.

Jasmar · 08-02-2003, 01:37 PM

I believe in karma and the fortunes I get in fortune cookies and my dreams tend to come true

wario · 08-02-2003, 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gebbinn

What got me thinking on this was that my Girlfriend got freaked out by a red moon tonight, and we had to turn around and come home, she wouldnt go out..(go out in this case entailed a little late night tryst in the middle of a corn field... im still horny) So blood on the moon means bad things will happen I am told.

Two horny kids going out for a late night tryst in the middle of a corn field with a blood red moon? That sounds like something right out of an 80s slasher flick.

Mephisto2 · 08-02-2003, 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by wario
Two horny kids going out for a late night tryst in the middle of a corn field with a blood red moon? That sounds like something right out of an 80s slasher flick.

LOL wario...

Mr Mephisto

GakFace · 08-03-2003, 04:13 PM

Well, You can't prove they don't, and me being able to see things, doesn't prove to you that they do.

Regardless, THIS is the paranoia boards.. to where the thought that they exist is reality. So on another board, my reasonings would be thee opposing thoughts, but on this board they are not.

And yes, I do believe in God as well. You cannot tell me I am wrong because I you don't see cold hard truth that he does exist, simply because you cannot give cold hard truth that he doesn't.

Mephisto2 · 08-04-2003, 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by GakFace
Well, You can't prove they don't, and me being able to see things, doesn't prove to you that they do.

So, by your reasoning, the fact that you can't prove 50ft tall women who have rocket launchers as legs and an elephant growing out of their ass don't exist, means that you believe they may?

I think you are showing a misunderstanding on how one proves anything. From an ontological point of view at least.

Quote:

Regardless, THIS is the paranoia boards.. to where the thought that they exist is reality.

Good point, but does that mean I can't "play?"

If I don't believe in fairies and leprechauns and ghosts and God, I'm not allowed to post alternative arguments here?

Quote:

So on another board, my reasonings would be thee opposing thoughts, but on this board they are not.

Again, good point. And again, vice versa.

Quote:

And yes, I do believe in God as well. You cannot tell me I am wrong because I you don't see cold hard truth that he does exist, simply because you cannot give cold hard truth that he doesn't.

I wouldn't dream of questioning your religious beliefs and respect them entirely. I just don't share them.

Mr Mephisto

GakFace · 08-04-2003, 04:07 PM

Sorry If i looked angry in that... None was intended AT ALL... When I come off that way, please point it out however you want.. Blatently on here.. or in a PM.. I don't care, just let me know, as I hate to come off in such a way. You can argue all you want, sorry for all that.

Personally, to me, anything is possible. No matter how SMALL the percent is... its still there. Also, According to Science, nothing is FACT.. its still a theory, as it is believed to be true, but there may be a time when its proven to be bogus. (

and no i'm not going to argue the spelling of "AND"

)

The proving thing wasn't quite meant like that. You were telling me that i COULDN'T prove to you that they existed. I was just pointing out that you can't prove that they don't, where as, my personal experience mean jack shit to you in the ways of proof. Kinda just showing how it kinda goes nuetral in the area.

Btw, your example.. you only said one side.. As I'm sure through Genetics, you could prove that they do not exist.. yet (with all the things going on.. ya never know anymore

) but again, this isn't where I was going with this. Sorry about that.

Feel free to play, I was merely pointing out that on these boards that they do exist, so it made more sense for your view to explain why they didn't. Again, what I can say on how they DO exist, will mean nothing to you, as it goes by personal experience.
Ya know its like if you heard someone say, "I know by personal experience that Rocks are the deadliest things known to man. I saw one kill somebody!".. that really won't mean much in the way of an arguement. Since this stuff is still unknown to so many people, it hard to sway on either side. As of right now, I think you either believe in it or you don't, as there just isn't enough studied know-how to sway everyone.

As for the religious thingy.. I wasn't saying anything about you judging my beliefs. I was merely just using another example. As the belief in God is still something where you either do or you don't. As the proof for either side just doesn't seem to translate correctly to the opposing side.

Again sorry for an misinterpretation.

Johnny Rotten · 08-04-2003, 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mr Mephisto
That's a fair comment GakFace.

How about "I believe people who believe in ghosts and fairies and leprechauns are stupid"?

You are also using cyclical argument.

If you believe in ghosts, please prove their existence to me.

You cannot.

Basing one's belief (and this is a core tenet in Christianity also) upon faith raises alarm-bells; at least for me.

The onus is on you, or those who believe in "supernatural" phenomena to prove their existence. Not on me to prove they don't exist.

And, just to clarify, I was not calling names. Just telling it like I see it. I hope I didn't insult you.

Also, I did not say there "was NOTHING in this vast Galaxy" [sic] but us. I said extra-terrestrial life is unlikey to exist.

Are you familiar with Drake's Formula? Before you go plugging numbers into
N = R* x fp x ne x fl x fi x fc x L (see http://www.angelfire.com/on2/daviddarling/DrakeEq.htm for more info), you should consider Fermi's Paradox

Try the following sites:
http://www.etcontact.net/newsite/Top...sp?Topic=Fermi
http://xray.sai.msu.ru/~lipunov/text/ashkl/node3.html

And most especially:

http://www.space.com/searchforlife/s...ox_011024.html

Have fun and remember... Watch the skies!!!

LOL

Mr Mephisto

Allow me to respond, if I may.

First, there is no onus to prove anything. None of us are attempting to convince you of anything. Your beliefs are your own, and I'll thank you to let my beliefs to be my own.

Second, you have to be willing to believe. You are not a skeptic, Mephisto. You are a cynic. So what are you doing in this forum, save for irritating other people?

Third, when you "tell it like I see it," I would humbly offer a few handy phrases, such as:

In my opinion...

I think that...

It seems to me that...

You see where this is going? Do you see the difference between, "You, sir, are a tool," and "In my opinion, you are a tool"? Don't claim to be stating an opinion when you are, in fact, not using any of the qualifying phrases as provided above.

Fourth, Fermi's Paradox is not a proof or even suggestion of humanity as the sole container of life in this universe. It is a paradox. "Given x facts, why y result?" A paradox cannot really be used to support a belief, only to confound one.

Lastly (fifth, if you're still counting) go ahead and spend a night in a haunted hotel room. Spend a few nights. You have nothing to be afraid of, and I have nothing to prove, so it's a win-win situation.

anti fishstick · 08-04-2003, 11:54 PM

people can have personal superstitions for themselves. much like people have their own little rituals or routines for comfort, goodluck, whatever.

heh. it's silly but i notice patterns in my life that are freakishly coincedental.. and milk it. like.. the FOUR people i've had more-than-friends relations with were 1) youngest child 2) lived w/ parents and all other siblings moved out 3) lived in a cul-de-sac. 4) have played candyland with me the first time they come to my house. it's initiation dammit :P

Mephisto2 · 08-05-2003, 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Johnny Rotten
Allow me to respond, if I may.

First, there is no onus to prove anything. None of us are attempting to convince you of anything. Your beliefs are your own, and I'll thank you to let my beliefs to be my own.

Who said I wouldn't let you hold your own beliefs?

The fact that you are not trying to convince me is noted. I didn't think you were, but it's a fair point to raise.

Quote:

Second, you have to be willing to believe. You are not a skeptic, Mephisto. You are a cynic.

No. I am simply a non-believer. I may use logical arguments based upon the current Socratic method of scientific "proof", or I may occasionally make cynical remarks.

However, you should be careful in labeling me.

Quote:

So what are you doing in this forum, save for irritating other people?

Now, that's a bit childish, isn't it?

I'm here debating the issues and contributing to the TFP community.

To be perfectly honest, if I'm "irritating" you, then leave or don't read my posts.

Quote:

Don't claim to be stating an opinion when you are, in fact, not using any of the qualifying phrases as provided above.

Now, that's just a silly remark. Should everyone, everywhere predicate every phrase with "In my opinion..."?

Because, using your own argument, it's just your opinion that supernatural events are real; or for that matter, that my arguments are not 100% correct.

Be consistent if you want to be pedantic.

Quote:

Fourth, Fermi's Paradox is not a proof or even suggestion of humanity as the sole container of life in this universe. It is a paradox. "Given x facts, why y result?" A paradox cannot really be used to support a belief, only to confound one.

You misunderstand the tenet.

In plain English terms, the paradox states "IF Intelligent life outside the solar system exists, it would be here by now. It has not arrived. Ergo, it does not exist."

Quote:

Lastly (fifth, if you're still counting) go ahead and spend a night in a haunted hotel room. Spend a few nights. You have nothing to be afraid of, and I have nothing to prove, so it's a win-win situation.

"fifth, if [I'm] still counting"?

Isn't that just a little bit petty?

LOL

With regards to finding a "haunted hotel" room, I believe no such thing exisits. So, finding one would be difficult to start with. But even if I could find an alledged one, why would I do this? I'm not seeking reaffirmation here.

I was enjoying the debate, until you entered the fray with your personal insults and childish comments.

It's interesting to note the difference in tone and quality between the arguments of the other board-members and you, who seem rather defensive.

Mr Mephisto

GakFace · 08-05-2003, 08:44 PM

Quote:

In plain English terms, the paradox states "IF Intelligent life outside the solar system exists, it would be here by now. It has not arrived. Ergo, it does not exist."

Since you and I are debating for what its worth

... heres one for ya. Now.. Seeing how we humans can only see a small spectrum of the colors that exist. Then couldn't it be possible that they 'slipped' through our defenses and are actually here observing us? I mean we would be unable to see them with our current five senses, and if they aren't making themselves known, I'm sure they'd evade anything that would show them visible to us. This being said.. I'll go back to the Paradox's meaning.

"IF Intelligent life outside the solar system exists, it would be here by now. It has not arrived. Ergo, it does not exist."

Now, from my hypothetical situtation... How could we know they have not arrived? Perhaps they have, but we are unable to notice them. I know this is about to sound REALLY Geeky, and on the verge of Dorkish, but think like Star Trek. They would monitor groups, but they would either blend in, or use holograms to "cloak" thier observation base.

And on a side note: This can also be reflected back to ghosts and spirits as well. The normal 5 senses don't notice them, but perhaps there are other senses that we have that can.

Mephisto2 · 08-05-2003, 09:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by GakFace
Since you and I are debating for what its worth ... heres one for ya. Now.. Seeing how we humans can only see a small spectrum of the colors that exist. Then couldn't it be possible that they 'slipped' through our defenses and are actually here observing us? I mean we would be unable to see them with our current five senses, and if they aren't making themselves known, I'm sure they'd evade anything that would show them visible to us. This being said.. I'll go back to the Paradox's meaning.

I'm reminded of Arthur C Clarke's famous saying that "technology of a high enough level would seem to us to be indistinguishable from magic".

I believe most people who "study" (or theorize about) ET life tend to believe that if an advanced civilization reached us it would make contact.

Believing otherwise is certainly an option, but a little paranoid and "Plan B from Outer Space"-like...

Quote:

"IF Intelligent life outside the solar system exists, it would be here by now. It has not arrived. Ergo, it does not exist."

Now, from my hypothetical situtation... How could we know they have not arrived? Perhaps they have, but we are unable to notice them. I know this is about to sound REALLY Geeky, and on the verge of Dorkish, but think like Star Trek. They would monitor groups, but they would either blend in, or use holograms to "cloak" thier observation base.[/b]

We don't know they haven't arrived. It's just assumed that if they got here, they would make contact.

Fermi's Paradox is not meant to prove anything, but is a thought experiment. And a very good one at that.

Like all statements, theories and "laws", it is based upon assumptions. One of those core assumptions is that intelligent life would not hide itself from us after taking the extraordinary effort of travelling through inter-stellar space. I hate to break it to you, but in the "real world" there is no "warp drive" etc. The speed of light is as fast as it gets.

Quote:

And on a side note: This can also be reflected back to ghosts and spirits as well. The normal 5 senses don't notice them, but perhaps there are other senses that we have that can.

Well, ghosts are another kettle of fish entirely. A belief in them posits a belief in the after-life. Something I don't have. It's a bummer really, because I'm not looking forward to dying. But there you go.

And now, finally, for the clincher...

For the record, I personally believe that there IS intelligent life somewhere "out there" in the Universe. I just don't think they're capturing wayward motorists in West Virginia and performing anal probes on them.

Like us, they are doomed to die out in their small, trivial solar system when their sun goes nova.

Isn't the Universe a wonderfully positive place?!

Mr Mephisto

GakFace · 08-05-2003, 11:26 PM

i gotta sleep, but I just thought I'd add, that I'm rather enjoying our debate..

Blazin · 08-06-2003, 06:11 AM

the only superstition i really believe in is the one about breaking a mirror. 7 years of bad luck is a long time...

almostaugust · 08-07-2003, 03:45 AM

Im not sure if its superstition, but i generally have this belief about things turning up for a reason. So for instance if i happen across a cool interesting looking book while shopping for something else, ill buy it (without flinching).
I have stumbled across some really cool things this way.

Mephisto2 · 08-07-2003, 03:50 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by almostaugust
Im not sure if its superstition, but i generally have this belief about things turning up for a reason. So for instance if i happen across a cool interesting looking book while shopping for something else, ill buy it (without flinching).
I have stumbled across some really cool things this way.

Erm...

What exactly does this MEAN?

If you come across a good book you will buy it? There may be a reason for it?

I'm lost...

Mr Mephisto (who, it appears, is the Paranormal Board's resident sceptic; or so I'm told)

GakFace · 08-10-2003, 01:46 PM

not sure If i'm catchin' it either..

Just sounds like if you buy a lot of stuff impulse-wise, you'll end up with some freaky cool stuff... (no offense, thats just what i got)

lola218 · 08-10-2003, 04:26 PM

OMG! I believe in so many superstions: the salt thing, black cats( I once cancelled a trip because of an ebony feline), ladders, umbrellas, No shoes on the table, hats on a bed, purse on the floor, knocking on wood, have someone spit on you if you touch maternity clothes if you don't want to become pregnant, and many more. I was brought w/ Polish/Italian /Irish family ( all very superstitious people).

TwistedFate · 08-11-2003, 02:39 AM

We are getting a little off the superstition topic, but anyway.

Quote:

Originally posted by Mr Mephisto
In plain English terms, the paradox states "IF Intelligent life outside the solar system exists, it would be here by now. It has not arrived. Ergo, it does not exist."

Correct me if I'm wrong, cause I've just recently heard of this paradox but wouldn't the actual paradox be "If intelligent, starfaring, colonizing life outside the solar system exists, it would be here by now"? Because we are intelligent (I assume we rate as intelligent) life and we haven't gotten anybody past the moon, yet. We can't put the race in the paradox on the same level as us or it falls apart, because we aren't going anywhere. We are just starting to get unmanned probes to the 4th rock from the sun. That said, they would also have to be able to colonize, the paradox only works for a self replicating society.
i.e Planet 1 sends out 2 colonies: 10 and 11.
10 sends out 100 and 101 while 11 sends out 110 and 111
100->1000, 1001. 101->1010, 1011 110->1100, 1101. 111->1110, 1111.
Eventually we can't help but be hit that way. but if they are just sending probes from 1 planet it may take billions and billions and billions of years before they get around to our little sector of the sky.

Next, why should we expect some other intelligent civilization to be more advanced than us? Who is to say that we aren't the pinnacle of intra/extragalactic evolution right now? That our nearest neighbors aren't just learning to harness the power of steam, looking up at the stars and waiting for us to stop by and say 'Howdy'?

anti fishstick · 08-11-2003, 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by almostaugust
Im not sure if its superstition, but i generally have this belief about things turning up for a reason. So for instance if i happen across a cool interesting looking book while shopping for something else, ill buy it (without flinching).
I have stumbled across some really cool things this way.

i dont know if this is the same thing but a friend of mine told me to check out this book called zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance. its a really good book but kind of a hard read, etc and everyone he's recommended it to hasn't ever finished it but he thinks i could.. so one day i was going to portland with a friend when we randomly decided to stay in town for awhile at the little downtown area there.. and i'm like... hmmmm used bookstore, we should check it out! i'd never been in there ever before and have always noticed it but its one of those old used book stores in the corner by an alley that everyone always overlooks... but for some reason i felt compelled to go in. so we browse around for awhile, and when i got to the metaphysical/religion section..what do i see but zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance for only $3.50. so i bought it. one of my favorite books. read it twice. life changing :-D to put a twist on things, i told this friend i had gotten the book and the -very- same day, he said he was at the bookstore trying to decide if he should buy zen... for me. but decided not to.

macmanmike6100 · 08-11-2003, 11:25 PM

non-believer

Steffi · 08-15-2003, 09:19 PM

The main superstition that i have is making sure that i touch glass when going over railroad tracks. Occasionally i will get weird looks, but i've grown up doing this, so it's stuck with me. When i was younger i used to hold my breath while passing a cemetary, but then when i would have to visit a cemetary, i wondered if i should hold my breath while there. I decided that i didn't need to, and i stopped holding my breath when passing them from that day on.

Munku · 09-13-2003, 11:57 AM

I have NO Supserstitions whatsoever. Nothing freaks me out like that. No black cats, ladders, broken mirrors, knives, moons. Blah I say. I will never believe it.

hunnychile · 09-13-2003, 02:50 PM

Karma is real.

Superstitions are not.

I've found that people who are superstitious are generally not very well educated or well read. That is a sociological fact determined by region and cultural background. College anyone?

Do it for them.

meff · 09-14-2003, 05:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kaos
I don't really believe in much superstition, but I am a firm believer in Karma.

Same here. superstition's don't really make sense for me, but I believe if I do good things than good things will happen to me sometime in my life when I need them to.

harhar · 09-15-2003, 03:29 PM

karma, do unto others

Pheatius · 09-17-2003, 12:46 PM

If I see a penny face down, I flip it over and leave it. If I see a penny face up, I pick it up and walk away. Not really a superstition, more like a habit.

nightwatcher · 09-22-2003, 05:18 AM

Firstly, hand washing is obsessive compulsive, not superstition. However, superstition can be obsessive compulsive behaviour. It is just a game that bored people made up to amuse themselves with before they got all fancy and invented religion! As soon as anything changes the way you live your life..it's a problem! Make the black cat take a different path, I say! Walking under ladders and opening umbrellas inside are safety instructions that have made their way into folklore, not recipes for disaster.

However, Sub-Zero is correct when he reminds us of the boogyman being real.

bobw · 09-22-2003, 05:31 AM

I do some pretty goofy things at the BlackJack table ....

fuzzix · 09-24-2003, 06:44 AM

I guess the only superstition I have is about not making up nasty stories about people being in nasty accidents or dying - in case something DOES happen to them.

battlemouth · 09-25-2003, 04:54 PM

i believe that the last bite of food always tastes the best

07-27-2003, 06:12 PM	#41 (permalink)
Jonsgirl Semi-Atomic Location: Home.	I'm really picky about never closing a knife that you didn't open. When I spill salt I toss some over my left sohulder. I try to remember to knock on wood to un-jinx myself; and I never let a swing stop on it's own. I also kiss my wedding ring whenever I take it off, which isn't often. I don't think that's superstitious, just a preference. __________________ Someday, someone will best me. But it won't be today, and it won't be you.

07-28-2003, 05:11 PM	#43 (permalink)
Ralvek Crazy Location: MN	I am very superstitious about sports. I always sit in the same spot during a winning streak and turn my tv to the same volume. During my Wild's Stanley Cup run this last spring I ate the same dinner every night they had a game and sat in the same spot. I kid you not that when they lost I was watching the game at a friggin' bar! __________________ Ban country music, it promotes inbreeding.

07-29-2003, 07:27 AM	#44 (permalink)
jeenyus Banned	234234 1.never ever runinto a car wearing a silvernecklace. 2.never jump off a 12 foot story building with a piece of cotton on.

07-29-2003, 04:35 PM	#45 (permalink)
snoop Insane	I believe I'll have another beer . . . . __________________ ------------------------------------------------ Insert Witty Slogan Here . . . . .

07-31-2003, 05:28 PM	#46 (permalink)
GakFace Go Ninja, Go Ninja Go!! Location: IN, USA	Jeenyus: not to poke or anything... But isn't running into a car bad luck in and of itself? if course your second one makes me want to think you're just joking anyways... as only a few people jump off building and its a GOOD thing (Stuntmen) __________________ RoboBlaster: Welcome to the club! Not that I'm in the club. And there really isn'a a club in the first place. But if there was a club and if I was in it, I would definitely welcome you to it.

07-28-2003, 09:57 AM	#42 (permalink)
bukaki22 Tilted	karma

07-31-2003, 06:32 PM	#47 (permalink)
Mephisto2 Junkie	Nothing. Superstitious people are stupid. Life is as you see it. There are no ghosts, no "superior beings" and probably no other life in the Universe. Almost 99.9% of every single living human on the planet will be dead in 100 years. Make what you can of life, as you're dead a long time. Mr Mephisto

07-31-2003, 07:02 PM	#48 (permalink)
GakFace Go Ninja, Go Ninja Go!! Location: IN, USA	are stupid? Becareful how you phrase this. You can debate what I think, and what other people think, but to name call will not be acceptable. As for the debating part. Why don't you explain yourself more as to why there is NOTHING in this vast Galaxy except us. Also how about more reasons as to why Spirits do not exist. __________________ RoboBlaster: Welcome to the club! Not that I'm in the club. And there really isn'a a club in the first place. But if there was a club and if I was in it, I would definitely welcome you to it.

07-31-2003, 07:52 PM	#49 (permalink)
Mephisto2 Junkie	That's a fair comment GakFace. How about "I believe people who believe in ghosts and fairies and leprechauns are stupid"? You are also using cyclical argument. If you believe in ghosts, please prove their existence to me. You cannot. Basing one's belief (and this is a core tenet in Christianity also) upon faith raises alarm-bells; at least for me. The onus is on you, or those who believe in "supernatural" phenomena to prove their existence. Not on me to prove they don't exist. And, just to clarify, I was not calling names. Just telling it like I see it. I hope I didn't insult you. Also, I did not say there "was NOTHING in this vast Galaxy" [sic] but us. I said extra-terrestrial life is unlikey to exist. Are you familiar with Drake's Formula? Before you go plugging numbers into N = R x fp x ne x fl x fi x fc x L* (see http://www.angelfire.com/on2/daviddarling/DrakeEq.htm for more info), you should consider Fermi's Paradox Try the following sites: http://www.etcontact.net/newsite/Top...sp?Topic=Fermi http://xray.sai.msu.ru/~lipunov/text/ashkl/node3.html And most especially: http://www.space.com/searchforlife/s...ox_011024.html Have fun and remember... Watch the skies!!! LOL Mr Mephisto

08-02-2003, 12:58 PM	#50 (permalink)
dellamag6 Upright	I believe it's bad luck to sleep with a linebackers girlfriend.

08-02-2003, 01:37 PM	#51 (permalink)
Jasmar Crazy	I believe in karma and the fortunes I get in fortune cookies and my dreams tend to come true

08-03-2003, 04:13 PM	#54 (permalink)
GakFace Go Ninja, Go Ninja Go!! Location: IN, USA	Well, You can't prove they don't, and me being able to see things, doesn't prove to you that they do. Regardless, THIS is the paranoia boards.. to where the thought that they exist is reality. So on another board, my reasonings would be thee opposing thoughts, but on this board they are not. And yes, I do believe in God as well. You cannot tell me I am wrong because I you don't see cold hard truth that he does exist, simply because you cannot give cold hard truth that he doesn't. __________________ RoboBlaster: Welcome to the club! Not that I'm in the club. And there really isn'a a club in the first place. But if there was a club and if I was in it, I would definitely welcome you to it.

08-04-2003, 04:07 PM	#56 (permalink)
GakFace Go Ninja, Go Ninja Go!! Location: IN, USA	Sorry If i looked angry in that... None was intended AT ALL... When I come off that way, please point it out however you want.. Blatently on here.. or in a PM.. I don't care, just let me know, as I hate to come off in such a way. You can argue all you want, sorry for all that. Personally, to me, anything is possible. No matter how SMALL the percent is... its still there. Also, According to Science, nothing is FACT.. its still a theory, as it is believed to be true, but there may be a time when its proven to be bogus. ( and no i'm not going to argue the spelling of "AND" ) The proving thing wasn't quite meant like that. You were telling me that i COULDN'T prove to you that they existed. I was just pointing out that you can't prove that they don't, where as, my personal experience mean jack shit to you in the ways of proof. Kinda just showing how it kinda goes nuetral in the area. Btw, your example.. you only said one side.. As I'm sure through Genetics, you could prove that they do not exist.. yet (with all the things going on.. ya never know anymore ) but again, this isn't where I was going with this. Sorry about that. Feel free to play, I was merely pointing out that on these boards that they do exist, so it made more sense for your view to explain why they didn't. Again, what I can say on how they DO exist, will mean nothing to you, as it goes by personal experience. Ya know its like if you heard someone say, "I know by personal experience that Rocks are the deadliest things known to man. I saw one kill somebody!".. that really won't mean much in the way of an arguement. Since this stuff is still unknown to so many people, it hard to sway on either side. As of right now, I think you either believe in it or you don't, as there just isn't enough studied know-how to sway everyone. As for the religious thingy.. I wasn't saying anything about you judging my beliefs. I was merely just using another example. As the belief in God is still something where you either do or you don't. As the proof for either side just doesn't seem to translate correctly to the opposing side. Again sorry for an misinterpretation. __________________ RoboBlaster: Welcome to the club! Not that I'm in the club. And there really isn'a a club in the first place. But if there was a club and if I was in it, I would definitely welcome you to it.

08-04-2003, 11:54 PM	#58 (permalink)
anti fishstick Post-modernism meets Individualism AKA the Clash Location: oregon	people can have personal superstitions for themselves. much like people have their own little rituals or routines for comfort, goodluck, whatever. heh. it's silly but i notice patterns in my life that are freakishly coincedental.. and milk it. like.. the FOUR people i've had more-than-friends relations with were 1) youngest child 2) lived w/ parents and all other siblings moved out 3) lived in a cul-de-sac. 4) have played candyland with me the first time they come to my house. it's initiation dammit :P __________________ And the day came when the risk to remain tight in a bud was more painful than the risk it took to blossom. ~Anais Nin

08-05-2003, 11:26 PM	#62 (permalink)
GakFace Go Ninja, Go Ninja Go!! Location: IN, USA	i gotta sleep, but I just thought I'd add, that I'm rather enjoying our debate.. __________________ RoboBlaster: Welcome to the club! Not that I'm in the club. And there really isn'a a club in the first place. But if there was a club and if I was in it, I would definitely welcome you to it.

08-06-2003, 06:11 AM	#63 (permalink)
Blazin Upright	the only superstition i really believe in is the one about breaking a mirror. 7 years of bad luck is a long time... __________________ Curiosity didnt kill the cat, curiosity made the kittens.

08-07-2003, 03:45 AM	#64 (permalink)
almostaugust Junkie Location: Oz	Im not sure if its superstition, but i generally have this belief about things turning up for a reason. So for instance if i happen across a cool interesting looking book while shopping for something else, ill buy it (without flinching). I have stumbled across some really cool things this way. __________________ 'And it's been a long December and there's reason to believe Maybe this year will be better than the last I can't remember all the times I tried to tell my myself To hold on to these moments as they pass'

08-10-2003, 01:46 PM	#66 (permalink)
GakFace Go Ninja, Go Ninja Go!! Location: IN, USA	not sure If i'm catchin' it either.. Just sounds like if you buy a lot of stuff impulse-wise, you'll end up with some freaky cool stuff... (no offense, thats just what i got) __________________ RoboBlaster: Welcome to the club! Not that I'm in the club. And there really isn'a a club in the first place. But if there was a club and if I was in it, I would definitely welcome you to it.

08-10-2003, 04:26 PM	#67 (permalink)
lola218 Tilted Location: beverly hills,fl	OMG! I believe in so many superstions: the salt thing, black cats( I once cancelled a trip because of an ebony feline), ladders, umbrellas, No shoes on the table, hats on a bed, purse on the floor, knocking on wood, have someone spit on you if you touch maternity clothes if you don't want to become pregnant, and many more. I was brought w/ Polish/Italian /Irish family ( all very superstitious people).

08-11-2003, 11:25 PM	#70 (permalink)
macmanmike6100 High Honorary Junkie Location: Tri-state.	non-believer

08-15-2003, 09:19 PM	#71 (permalink)
Steffi Tilted Location: Somewhere in the middle	The main superstition that i have is making sure that i touch glass when going over railroad tracks. Occasionally i will get weird looks, but i've grown up doing this, so it's stuck with me. When i was younger i used to hold my breath while passing a cemetary, but then when i would have to visit a cemetary, i wondered if i should hold my breath while there. I decided that i didn't need to, and i stopped holding my breath when passing them from that day on.

09-13-2003, 11:57 AM	#72 (permalink)
Munku Lost Location: Florida	I have NO Supserstitions whatsoever. Nothing freaks me out like that. No black cats, ladders, broken mirrors, knives, moons. Blah I say. I will never believe it.

09-13-2003, 02:50 PM	#73 (permalink)
hunnychile Alien Anthropologist Location: Between Boredom and Nirvana	Karma is real. Superstitions are not. I've found that people who are superstitious are generally not very well educated or well read. That is a sociological fact determined by region and cultural background. College anyone? Do it for them. __________________ "I need compassion, understanding and chocolate." - NJB

09-15-2003, 03:29 PM	#75 (permalink)
harhar Upright	karma, do unto others

09-17-2003, 12:46 PM	#76 (permalink)
Pheatius Insane Location: The South	If I see a penny face down, I flip it over and leave it. If I see a penny face up, I pick it up and walk away. Not really a superstition, more like a habit.

09-22-2003, 05:18 AM	#77 (permalink)
nightwatcher Upright	Firstly, hand washing is obsessive compulsive, not superstition. However, superstition can be obsessive compulsive behaviour. It is just a game that bored people made up to amuse themselves with before they got all fancy and invented religion! As soon as anything changes the way you live your life..it's a problem! Make the black cat take a different path, I say! Walking under ladders and opening umbrellas inside are safety instructions that have made their way into folklore, not recipes for disaster. However, Sub-Zero is correct when he reminds us of the boogyman being real.

09-22-2003, 05:31 AM	#78 (permalink)
bobw Psycho Location: somewhere....	I do some pretty goofy things at the BlackJack table ....

09-24-2003, 06:44 AM	#79 (permalink)
fuzzix Psycho Location: Australia	I guess the only superstition I have is about not making up nasty stories about people being in nasty accidents or dying - in case something DOES happen to them. __________________ I'm most definately not 'lovin' it'.

09-25-2003, 04:54 PM	#80 (permalink)
battlemouth Robot Lovin' Location: Boston	i believe that the last bite of food always tastes the best __________________ like a bullet through a flock of doves