Sun Tzu

For those that are interested here is the new Jones documentary. It has some clips from his previous films, but a lot of new material as well. If you're not in the mood to feel angry don't watch it.

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SecretMethod70

Funny how the only people convinced by Alex Jones and his ilk are those who already thought that way in the first place. Videos like this one are freely available everywhere on the web... if they made any sense, they'd be converting a lot more people than they actually are.

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Baraka_Guru

I have a problem with the premise. It's about the fall of the republic and yet it appears to focus on Barack Obama.

If the republic falls, it's not due to much of anything that Obama does or does not do. It would be a result of actions and events that have been taking place over the past 100 years or more.

If time weren't an issue, I'd watch the whole thing. But I only reserve so much time for fear-mongering and propaganda.

If it's actually happening, Barack Obama is not destroying America. America is destroying itself. Obama is a convenient scapegoat.

Jean Baudrillard put it well in America: "What you have to do is enter the fiction of America, enter America as fiction. It is, indeed, on this fictive basis that it dominates the world."

Who exactly is this Alex Jones guy anyway?

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Sun Tzu

Where are you getting that information you seem to present as fact secretmethod? Or is that your opinion? I guess there will be a number of similiar comments probable 5 or six more from other people. As long as you feel you've done a good deed for the day in warding off anyone potentially thinking about watching it such constructive commentary suits its purpose.

The irony is you obviously won't watch it (to each their own) but it would have been intersting to hear what aspect you think is a lie.

Baraka, Alex tore into GB as well. You'd have to watch the information to understand.

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ASU2003

Alex Jones lost a lot of credibility with me when I listened to him while at the Inauguration. What he described was going on was nothing like what actually was happening. He made it seem like he was on the streets of Tehran in a police state, when there was an understandable level of security, but nothing like he was saying.

And you can say that Obama hasn't changed too much, or that he is owned/controlled like the other politicians but blaming Obama for the current state of America is a stretch.

Baraka_Guru

I think the source of the problem here is that many overlook the impact of outside influences, i.e., the powers and influences out of America's control.

America has a difficult time being unable to control something that matters to them, and this will only get worse over the next while.

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Sun Tzu

Someone else formulating an opinion on the film without watching it. You guys call Alex whatever you see fit, but you are summarizing something you havent seen.

what was he saying at the inauguration?

who does have credibility with you?

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Thats the focus of the film the outside influences. I think it comes down to whether a person believes there is a ruthless international banking cartel, or they think its conspiracy theory.

Even if some may think this is propaganda or sensationalism, what piece of information presented is a lie?

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Stare At The Sun

I've seen/read a decent number of these videos, and while I don't doubt the malicious nature of the government, I don't see Alex Jones having any realistic solutions.

Simply put, society will continue. Even if the ruling elite did exist, and do control things, why would they want a new world order? If they already dominate everything, they are already in control. Why be visible? Same results with no accountability in the current system.

It'll be business as usual for some time methinks.

Sun Tzu

A reasonable point. Where does it all possibly lead?

*See georgia guidestones

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Stare At The Sun

I looked up the Georgia Guidestones. I wasn't very impressed. I don't see those as being anything more than a single persons ideas, or at best a small group.

I highly doubt a world-wide conspiracy, whos members are among the social, financial, and intellectual elite would write such guidelines for their new world order.

Conspiracy exist for sure, but a conspiracy can't be as wide reaching as people think. The real conspiracies that you should worry about are the small ones within the government and corporations that you'll never even hear about.

*shrugs* Conspiracy theories are interesting, and make for entertaining reading, but I really doubt their claims.

Sun Tzu

My goal wasnt to impress. So to you this is straightforward honest, and clear

Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System

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SecretMethod70

Sun Tzu:I'm not sure what information you think I've presented in the first place. I merely pointed out that Alex Jones' videos and ideas have been freely available on the internet for some time, and that despite being posted all over the place and reaching so many people (the video you linked has over 1 million views alone) there is still no revolt against the conspiracies he claims are taking place.

I don't need to watch this video because I've seen plenty of others just like it, some also by Alex Jones. It was painful enough forcing myself to sit through previous videos of his, I don't need to subject myself to that suffering again to know he's still crazy.

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Wes Mantooth

I plan on watching this one later when I have a more time but I have little faith that this doc will be any better then his others. I appreciate that he's trying to get people thinking freedom and the govt role in our daily lives but I detest the way he goes about doing it.

His movies already assume that the conspiracies involved in them are based in fact when actually he's done very little to prove that any of the theories have a basis in reality. Wheres the real documentation? The smoking gun? Rather he bases his assumptions on gut feelings and circumstantial evidence to project sinister intentions onto the subject he wants to address. In the end he winds up with a loosely strung together scenario based on random things he pieces together (using other theories just as loosely strung together) and then asks us to accept it as indisputable fact. His audience (outside of other conspiracy theorists) are alienated from the very beginning, it kills his credibility and weakens every argument he makes from that point forward no matter how valid they may be.

Anyway I'll give this one a shot and see what he has to offer. At the very least his movies always make me think about the world around me, it can't be all bad I guess. I only wish he had something more substantial to offer so I don't feel like I've wasted 2 hours watching a wild fantasy.

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Sun Tzu

Do you think he's crazy, a liar, or both?

Perceptions are formulated from the information we receive around us. Whether it be the internet, tv, periodicals, or witnessing something live its personal choice what a person will view as being factual. That even includes history itself. Where do you go for information to base your world views?

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Wes Mantooth

Oh I agree but that also doesn't mean you just string together anything you want and call it factual because you feel like it without any real substance. There has to be some kind of standard in place before I accept information as being even remotely factual and I prefer that standard to be very high. Otherwise I might listen and even take some time to think about it but in the end if the evidence isn't rock solid I'll ultimately discard it and move on.

With the dire subject matter at hand and the passion for which Alex Jones speaks of it you'd think he'd take the time and care to present it with a stronger foundation at the risk of loosing his audience entirely. Preaching to the choir isn't all that helpful.

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Stare At The Sun

As I said before, I don't exactly trust the government, but it is in their own self interest to keep society both running and happy.

I don't see why they would want to change things, it'd be shooting themselves in the foot

Iliftrocks

So if we can't trust any of the official sources for information, what would make Alex Jones and his guestimations a better source? What makes him and his kind more trustworthy? Why aren't these very powerful people not silencing him for all his great knowledge?

I mean what if he's part of the larger conspiracy to keep our attentions facing the wrong way, so that the real powers-that-be can pick our pockets, while we are distracted????

The truth is that him and his kind are getting very rich pulling the strings of people who already believe that the world is out to get them.

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