Moon Landing... true or not?.. waht do you think?
 

I got the idea to post this thread last night when i was at a party. I overheard some guy talking about the moon landing and the whole fox thing that they aired saying that the landing didn't happen and all that stuff. I was asonished to hear what was being said. I have never seen this fox broadcast, but i have read a little bit about it.

I was just wondering what peoples opinions were on this topic. Do you think that man did land on the moon in 69, or was it just a scam pulled off by nasa to beat the russians.

I'll post my thoughts later. I just want to see what people think, before i go any further.

Thanks.

There are people who think the Earth is still flat too.
duh.

I don't believe they landed on the moon in '72. They definately did in '69 though.

Don't ask Buzz Aldren about it, he'll punch you right in your face, because he's a god damn ninja.

all I have to say is when your wasted, the fox broadcast makes a good case.

i think we did land on the moon...

if we hadnt i think there would be a lot more people saying we hadnt... ive only heard a very few people saying that we havnt...

im pretty sure we did, only one way to make sure though, and that is to go to the moon yourself, and look...

Sometimes I see/read/hear things that make me think we should start executing people for stupidity.

Thinking we didn't land on the moon is one of those things.

Hope I haven't offended anyone, but I'm pretty sure people at TFP are of a higher caliber of intelligence than those who would think it was a hoax.

heh.

I think it was Disney.

We better have landed on the moon, or I'm gonna be pissed, cause my baseball autographed by Buzz Aldrin and Neil Armstrong will be just a ball with two dudes' name on it, as opposed to two astronauts' names on it. In case you're curious, they used to give them out for free at Astros games occassionally.

Disney's head is on ice.

what the special did was take the evidence they had used to prove they went to the moon, and pointed out flaws.

In some pictures they had the shadows were going in different directions, when the only light source was supposed to be the sun.

There are also some iffy things found in the reflections of the peoples helmets.

Yeah, the "Lunar Sceptics" claim that they can see inappropriate reflections in the astronauts visors. Then again, the Virgin Mary makes frequent appearances on Cheesits and various vegetables all over the world, statues of Buddha start to weep milk (strangely this happens just after they've been washed with milk)... It's called seeing what you want to believe and some people seem to "need" to see a conspiracy behind every achievement.

Personally, I'm 99.999...% SURE that they did go. OK, I've heard all the arguments about the radiation exposure once they'd leave the protection of Earths magnetic field etc..., but on the other hand I've also heard of the frank and outright anger of the Apollo crews when it's suggested that the lunar missions were faked.

Strangely no-one ever suggests that Apollo VIII (I think - the one that orbited the Moon) was fake. In that one the crew did everything except actually land.

Anyway, It'll be resolved to most people's satisfaction in the next couple of years - I understand that the Japanese are building a telescope with sufficient resolution to pick out footprints on the lunar surface... But of course the Lunar Sceptice will simply shout "Fake" and "Liars" regardless of the evidence & testimony.:crazy:

Mike.

I read (or heard) somewhere a while back that the Japanese were going to attempt to land on the moon. I guess that can be the final 100% proof.

Unless of course they fake it.:crazy:

Brilliant.

I've seen a site that tries to claim it was all a hoax. I have to admit there are a lot of pics that are just plain wrong. I still believe they were there for at least some of it.

BTW, no one has mentioned that NASA actually has admitted to faking some still and movie shots. They say that it was necessary for the public because the originals were too poor a quality to be worth much. Hmmm.

Some might call me naive and perhaps stupid but I believe in my government and I believe what they say - knowing full well that at times they do not tell me everything - for which I am greatful and at times, it may err on its facts. I do not believe that the government intentionally attempts to deceive the people of the United States.

Purely from a sense of fairness...

http://batesmotel.8m.com/

and

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2001/ast23feb_2.htm

I am sure we did. If you look at anything long enough, you will be able to make something out of nothing. If any one wants to find discrepancies, then they will eventually.

you can also check out Phil Plait's BadAstronomy.com

Fox TV and the Apollo Moon Hoax
(February 13, 2001)



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On Thursday, February 15th 2001 (and replayed on March 19), the Fox TV network aired a program called ``Conspiracy Theory: Did We Land on the Moon?'', hosted by X-Files actor Mitch Pileggi. The program was an hour long, and featured interviews with a series of people who believe that NASA faked the Apollo Moon landings in the 1960s and 1970s. The biggest voice in this is Bill Kaysing, who claims to have all sorts of hoax evidence, including pictures taken by the astronauts, engineering details, discussions of physics and even some testimony by astronauts themselves. The program's conclusion was that the whole thing was faked in the Nevada desert (in Area 51, of course!). According to them, NASA did not have the technical capability of going to the Moon, but pressure due to the Cold War with the Soviet Union forced them to fake it.

Sound ridiculous? Of course it does! It is. So let me get this straight right from the start: this program is an hour long piece of junk.

From the very first moment to the very last, the program is loaded with bad thinking, ridiculous suppositions and utterly wrong science. I was able to get a copy of the show in advance, and although I was expecting it to be bad, I was still surprised and how awful it was. I took four pages of notes. I won't subject you to all of that here; it would take hours to write. I'll only go over some of the major points of the show, and explain briefly why they are wrong. In the near future, hopefully by the end of the summer, I will have a much more detailed series of pages taking on each of the points made by the Hoax Believers (whom I will call HBs).

So let's take a look at the ``evidence'' brought out by the show. To make this easier, below is a table with links to the specific arguments.


Disclaimer 20% believe in the hoax? The Capricorn 1 tie-in
No stars in pictures No blast crater Dust around the lander
Deep, dark shadows Non-parallel shadows Identical backgrounds
More identical backgrounds Lander unable to balance itself No flames from lunar launch
Astronauts footage shot in slow-motion The waving flag Why was every picture perfect?
Missing crosshairs in photos The deadly radiation of space Did NASA murder its astronauts?
CONCLUSION LINKS FALLOUT



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Bad: Right at the beginning, they have a disclaimer:

The following program deals with a controversial subject. The theories expressed are not the only possible explanation. Viewers are invited to make a judgment based on all available information.
Good: The last thing the writers of this program want the viewers to do is make an informed decision. If they did, they would have given equal time to both sides of this controversy. Instead, the vast majority of the time is given to the HBs, with only scattered (and very vague) dismissive statements by skeptics. So the available information is really only what they tell you. Of course, there are a lot of websites talking about this. I have a list of them on my own site.



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Bad: The show claims that 20% of Americans have doubts that we went to the Moon.

Good: That number is a bit misleading. A 1999 Gallup poll showed it was more like 6%, a number which agrees with a poll taken in 1995 by Time/CNN. The Gallup website also says:

Although, if taken literally, 6% translates into millions of individuals, it is not unusual to find about that many people in the typical poll agreeing with almost any question that is asked of them -- so the best interpretation is that this particular conspiracy theory is not widespread.
It also depends on what you mean by ``doubts''. Does that mean someone who truly doesn't believe man ever went to the Moon, or just that it's remotely possible that NASA faked it? Those are very different things. Not only does the program not say, but they don't say where they found the statistic they quote either.

read the rest...

sorry... 69



anyway.. the reason why i posted this is because the guy at the party believed that the moon landing was a hoax... i couldn't believe that people would actually think this!!!

imagine you are Buzz Aldrin or Neil Armstrong and you heard that some people think the moon landing was fake. I would want to shoot someone. That would piss me off so much. Then some of these people supporting the hoax said that nasa actually killed people who were going to let this whole scam get out or some shit like that.

It just boggles my mind that some people actually believe this crap.

I was actually arguing for the moon landing at this party and i ended up coming up with some pretty good common sense arguments that are basically explained the exact same way on this page.. http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/foxapollo.html

Basically the best argument you can come up with is.. have you been on the moon? Have any of these people that are creating these bullshit hoax stories been on the moon? It's an alien world to us and physics on the moon isn't the same as it is on earth. Things work very differently.

Another thing to support the landing on the moon was the lunar vehicle (i don't remember the name of it). If you watch the video of this thing you will notice that the pieces of dust and sand that fly off the wheels fly off in a perfect parabolic arc. Can we do this on earth? Sure, if you had billions of dollars to create a huge vaccuum for that thing. It would have had to be way more technologically advanced than what they used to go to the moon. We still can't build a vacuum that big. We just dont' have the technology to do it right now!

Anyway.. if someone reads this and believes that the moon landing was a hoax, please do some research and come up to a conclusion on your own. I provided a link to a lot of answers to the hoax arguments and the last poster provided a similar link, and also a link to a site that argues that it is a hoax.

http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/foxapollo.html

I saw the show, and was conviced for the longest time. Then I looked into it. I came across that website, read the entire document, and changed my mind. The Fox show was such trash, filled with really bad science.

I emplor you to read that link.

I believe they landed.

But it took a few goes to get it right.

VIDEO LINK

arghs....
FOX is trash...

and YES, they did land on the moon. You would think that the Soviets would have made a much bigger fuss if we had faked our landing.

I'm quite frustrated at all the bad science that's on TV nowadays, and why even normally respectable TV stations choose to give such programs (fake moon landings, huge government coverups) so much attention.

i saw that fox broadcast and i'm one of those skeptics now.

the thing that got me was that there was radiation or some shit between earth and the moon.

and the thin panels on the craft could not protect the astronauts. that's why the russians didnt do it.

anyway, i voted prolly not, but maybe. i give it the benefit of the doubt.

i heard that the jap's are sending an unmanned craft around the moon and it'll pass the place where the US craft landed.

*shakes head in disbelief*

Wut's that? You got a bridge to sell me? Here, hold my turnips.

We know exactly what Buzz would do. He punched a guy in the face for telling him to put his hand on a bible and swear he never went to the moon. And that guy got punched for good reason, you go through the most terrifying experience in your life which turns out to be one of the greatest acheivements of mankind and some tard claims it never happened.

At least we can rest easy in the knowledge these people were beat up in school, and are continually beat up as adults.

The fact that the question is asked is sufficient to weaken my faith in humanity.

Seriously, I am deeply distrubed when I see this question.

This race of backwards-ass apes-with-little-hair is never going to make much progress. It really bothers me.

That is #$%@ing cool!!!

I find it funny the bringer of the news that we didn't land on the moon is the Fox network. Known for their prestige and reliability. If we didn't land on the moon I'm sure Russia would have at least had an inkling this way true and would then spread the news to unroot our morale as a nation.

When I first saw the fox special it raised my eyebrows; but reading the debunking convinced me otherwise. Although I dont think the physics explanation behind the lack of having a crater sums that up too well. Im also going to assume that the pictures they showed of the moon surface maps that were identical to the section of Area 51 known as the moon are fabricated.

One thing that was never mentioned is how could the view of Earth rising have been faked? Special Efx, it doesnt appear so.

In any event Japan is going to be launching an unmanned flight to the moon for research next year. They will be flying directly over where the flag. moon lander, landing module are (or should be) this will silence allot of people.

Now do a poll on whether I thought Oswald shot Kennedy.

I think we did.

BTW, Buzz and Neil were astronauts whether or not they actually landed on the moon, that much would still be true.

At first I thought this was kinda funny and was going to reply with some lame Sam Waterston/O.J. Simpson joke, but having read the Badastronomy website, I'm getting pissed off.

From Badastronomy:

"Very, very Bad: Kaysing says that the Apollo 1 fire that killed Roger Chaffee, Ed White and Gus Grissom was no accident. Grissom was ready to talk to the press about the Moon hoax, so NASA killed him. Kaysing says NASA also killed other people who were about to blow the whistle as well.

This is so disgusting I have a hard time writing a coherent reply. Kaysing has no grasp of basic physics, photography or even common sense, but he accuses NASA of killing people to shut them up. That is a particularly loathsome accusation. "

To suggest that NASA killed three astronauts and to sully the reputations of brave men like Neil Armstrong, Jim Lovell, Buzz Aldren and the numerous other guys that made it to the moon, makes me physically sick.

Catch a clue non-believers, and then shut the fuck up.

Ehh, but not as cool of astronauts. Then again, they're not baseball players either, yet their name is on a baseball. The mysteries never cease.

Best point I've heard. Damn straight they would. I'm surprised that didn't do it anyway.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Someone's been watching the Daily Show too...

Ha. Yea, I saw the fox show a while back, and while I found a few of their points interesting, I still believe we landed on the moon. One thing that I thought was hilarious, if I am remembering it correctly, is they tried to have a NASA Public Relations person try to refute these claims. Come on, listenting to some PR person trying to scientifically refute their false claims would make anyone think NASA is up to no good.

But the badastronomy.com like someone posted earlier lays the whole thing out. Bad science on the part of fox.

why would there be any reason to fake, i definatly believe it happened....

Don't you mean China?

I believe that we did. There would have to be to many people involved for it not to have really happened. Somebody would have decided to cash in before now.

No such thing as *really bad science.* Part of the Merriam- Webster definition of science is *knowlege covering general truths...as obtained and tested through the scientific method.*

Something can be unscientific or even science fiction (tho' science fiction can be based on science.)

I believe the Fox show was unscientific in it's claims.

if you do some research you will find out that there is only a given time when one can land on the moon. Yes, you are correct, there is a lot of radiation in space produced by the sun and pushed across along with the solar wind, which can easily kill someone who isn't protected. You are very right on this, but have you ever thought that maybe NASA thought of this and planned to land on the moon when there was minimal radiation on the moon.

Earth sucks up a lot of the radiation and solar wind with it's magnetic fields. There was a blackout in montreal not too long ago because of the solar wind or something similar. The reason why we get the northern/southern lights is because of the exact same thing. NASA would have been smart to use the earth to sheild the moon from this radiation. I would bet you all of the money i will ever make in my life that they took this into consideration, and if you do the math, the earth probably blocked a pretty damn hight percentage of that radiation.

I do know this however. Any person or thing that goes into space at any given time is subject to die of some type of radiation produced from the sun. The solar flairs that the sun produces are huge and sometimes sends a crazy huge amount of radiation or different types of deadly rays and particles towards us in the solar wind. If something were to skip off and come near any spacecraft it could do serious damage. That is simply a risk that these brave men have taken.

Actually... read this...

http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/f...html#radiation

Also, like i said before, here is the best 'proof' that we landed on the moon in 69.

Watch the lunar space module thing (or whatever it's called... the little golf cart type motor vehicle thing) and tell me how they could have done something like that on earth. It's impossible for them to do something like that on earth. That should be proof enough.




perfect!






Even still though. 7.something % of the TFP believes that we did not land on the moon in 69, and this place seems like a place of knowledgable people who don't buy into bullshit. To me, this is a very surprising amount of people who are so gullable.

did you know that that word isn't in the dictionary?

you are so gullable!!!!

anyway... to all those who doubt the moon landing

BELIEVE IT OR YOU WILL DIE A HORRIBLE DEATH.. I WILL COME OVER AND SHOOT YOU IN THE HEAD WITH MY B-B GUN (since i am in canada, and i don't even know if that's what that gun is called, cause i don't even have one of those) UNTIL YOU DIE!!!!

"We landed on the moon!?! WE LANDED ON THE MOON!!!" -Jim Carey in Dumb and Dumber. (Sorry, I couldn't resist not quoting that.)

Look. We did land on the moon. It was the greatest achievement of Mankind! It demonstrates how far we've come technologically, and is just the tip of the iceberg of mankind's potential!

There are a few issues I need to address. Some of these are also addressed in the link posted by Cynthetiq.
First of all, there was no visible flame from the Lunar Lander: Of Course Not! The flame we see in rockets leaving the ground is a result of the atmosphere around the exhaust. If you ever watch the complete takeoff of a rocket, you will see that as soon as the atmosphere is thin enough, the flame disappears.
Second, no blast craters on the moon: The Lunar Lander did not blast the moon's surface with enough propellant to leave a crater.
Third, to address mike10270's "Apollo VIII (I think - the one that orbited the Moon) was fake" statement: If you read the mission log reports, then you will know that the whole reason for that mission was to orbit the moon while testing everything. They tested every little peace they could of both the spacecraft and the Lunar Lander to make sure it all worked in space before actually sending it down to the moon. That way they wouldn't be sending their astronauts to die on the moon due to something not working.
Fourth, the radiation: I believe that Toag and Cynthetiq covered this well enough.
Fifth: The reason the Russians never landed on the moon: We beat them, so that part of the program lost the funding from the Russian Government. They switched gears from moon landing to space stations.
Fun Fact: Russia’s original timeline would have had them land on the moon two days before we landed. That timeline was modified after the rocket they were going to use to launch their capsule blew up on the launch pad during it’s first test.:lol:

We landed on the moon.

Here's some evidence to add to NiceGuy's post.

Consider the time we went to the moon. 1969. The United States and Russia were in the midst of a space race and at the same time both countries were watching eachother like hawks because of the fear of nuclear strike.

Now at the dawn of ICBM technology. The Russians were watching everything the United States did in space and the United States was watching everything the Russians did in space. So if we didn't really land on the moon, the Russians would have known it and they would have used the opportunity to humiliate the United States in front of the world.

So we definatly landed on the moon. Just ask the Russians.

Hey Niceguy,

If you're gonna quote me:

Third, to address mike10270's "Apollo VIII (I think - the one that orbited the Moon) was fake" statement

Then PLEASE use the WHOLE quote:

Strangely no-one ever suggests that Apollo VIII (I think - the one that orbited the Moon) was fake

And please DON'T lump me in with the"Lunar Hoaxers".

Thanx,

Mike.

Fox will do anything to make a buck. :D

Sorry, Mike.

I didn't mean to mix you in with the "Lunar Hoaxers." It was just one more thing on the list that needed addressed.

I have a hard time believing they had success on the first attempt yet haven't been able to return 30+ years later.

People were more apt to believe it back then. If the government told you it was so then so it was. Can the current space program land men on the moon?

No, but that's actually a funding issue. During the 60's, 4 cents of every tax dollar went into the space program, and that was before the inflation ridden 70's so the dollar was worth more.

Today 1 cent of every tax dollar goes to the space program. And the dollar is worth less than it was then.

They might get paid a lot of money to fake it...

I think you will find that most americans believe they did, and most of the rest of us don't.

For the record, i don't.

No, because the camera is free standing of the lander. It's a camera on a movie set.

Who says they haven't returned? Do you think that 69 was the only time that man landed on the moon? 69 was the only time it was broadcasted internationally because it was such a huge thing at the time. Have you ever seen the movie apollo 13? Remember when they are all talking on tv and they think they are being broadcasted on national television, but in fact they weren't. People weren't interested in it at the time, and i can assure you that we have landed on the moon since then. Here is a link you can check out.

http://www.lpi.usra.edu/expmoon/apollo_landings.html




I KNOW they landed on the moon, and i am not american. Ask the russians, like someone suggested. They also KNOW that the landing happened. You are just too gullable and ignorant to believe the truth and too many people in this world think that there is something else behind everything that anything associated with the government does. Give me one good reason why you don't believe that we landed on the moon. One solid fact. I'll give you mine.

Try to mimic the lunar rovers movement and the perfect parabolic arcs taht the sand flying off the wheels take before they hit the ground on earth. It's impossible to do without being in a vacuum with minimal gravity. Now, try creating a vacuum that massive (big enough to hold the entire area that the lunar rover covered in one of the video footages.


If anyone believes in the hoax, explain that and give me good scientific reason why it's true.

If Germany wasn't the first country to make it to the moon, then its pure bullshit. Now let's review the "facts". The USA was the first to make it to the moon-- is the USA also known as "Germany"? Nope. Its pure bullshit. Only way I figure that the USA could have done it is if all the engineers were Japanese, Hindu, and German... or at least not American. Maybe around 90% of the engineers at my college are from out of the country. I've seen pictures of students from MIT and a lot of them look Asian or of Arabic descent. Who knows. All I know is that it wasn't American ingenuity that made it to the moon, if such a feat has ever been accomplished.

why would u say it isn't. there no reason for the government to make it up, it's NOT some kinda conspiracy.

they went to the moon, realized it was borin, took some rocks, and havent been back :p

I can't believe what I'm seeing. I mean how could we not have landed on the moon. I mean we can send people into outerspace so why deny the fact that we have landed on the moon. I almost find it hilarious that things like this can even be considered!! Basically saying we never landed on the moon is practically disregarding everything that is related to any countries space program ever.

If we never went to the moon...explain the MOON ROCKS?? Yeah I know you could say that they are just regular/fake rocks. Its also true that if we really intended to fake a moon landing the number of people involved would be staggering. The whole idea that we never did is absurd and anyone who doubts it should have Buzz Aldrin come over to your house and woop your ass.

Another claim that gets used as a method of saying it didn't happen is that all missions, despite being horrendously complex, went flawlessly. Here's how 'flawlessly' the Apollo missions went.

VII (First manned Earth orbit test of the Command Module) - Hardware fine, but the crew gets head colds early on and became so argumentative and rebellious against Mission Control that the controllers are half-ready to have them splash down in the middle of a typhoon! The mission commander had announced his retirement before the flight, so he could not really be reprimanded effectively, but the other two crew members were never allowed to fly in space again.

VIII (First lunar orbit flight) - Mission commander Borman comes down with a 24-hour flu early in the flight. Mission Control seriously considers aborting the mission - although this still would have meant looping around the Moon to get back to Earth.

IX (First manned test of the Lunar Module in Earth orbit) - Due to Lunar Module Pilot Schweickart coming down with motion sickness, flight test of the Lunar Module is almost abandoned.

X (Dress rehearsal for the landing - Lunar Module flies to within fifty thousand feet of the lunar surface) - Due to astronaut error in setting a switch in the Lunar Module, the LM goes into wild gyrations just before dropping the descent stage in lunar orbit, placing the crew at real risk of crashing into the Moon.

XI (The Big One!) - Communications problems immediately before descent make things very difficult for Mission Control to decide whether or not to continue. During descent to the surface, a mis-set switch causes a computer overload, almost aborting the landing.

XII (First precision landing) - The giant Saturn V booster gets struck by lightning not once, but TWICE, within the first minute after lift-off from Cape Kennedy. If that isn't potentially a serious problem, then frankly I don't know WHAT is! NASA seriously tightens up weather restrictions for all future manned launches.

XIII (The only actual Apollo abort) - 'Nuff said.

XIV - Crew almost unable to dock with the Lunar Module and extract it from the third stage of the Saturn rocket on the way to the Moon. Just before the landing attempt, Mission Control detects the Lunar Module computer reading a faulty abort signal, which would cause the landing to be automatically aborted by the computer as soon as the engine starts to brake them out of orbit towards a landing. MIT rewrites the software on the spot just in time for the landing to proceed. Landing radar fails to lock on to the lunar surface until very late in the landing sequence, almost at the stage at which mission rules would require an abort. Radar locks on with about a minute to spare.

XV (First use of the "moon buggy") - No major problems.

XVI - A problem with a backup engine control system on the Service Module delays the landing by six hours and almost causes it to be scrubbed.

XVII - A failure of a cheap electrical component in the launch control equipment causes a $450 million mission to be held on the launch pad over two hours past the scheduled launch time (the only Apollo launch delay). Otherwise, the most successful mission of all.

The engineers who built and flew Apollo KNEW that they were building a massively complex system, so they subjected it to MASSIVE amounts of testing, which accounted for a large part of the $20 billion (in 1972 US dollars) pricetag of Apollo. For instance, they had a test stand which could hold a complete Saturn V rocket, with the two Apollo spacecraft, and SHAKE THE WHOLE THING to see how it would hold up to the vibrations of launch. They did things like tune the engine exhaust nozzles to vibrate at different frequencies to avoid resonance - i.e. the vibrations of two or more engines adding to shake the whole vehicle to pieces, the same reason the military gets troops to break step when crossing a bridge.

In comparison, the Russians spent only about a tenth of this amount on their lunar landing program. The only occasions that all of the engines in the first stage of their rocket, the N1, were fired at the same time were when it flew - and none of the four test flights reached Earth orbit, let alone the Moon.

Did we really land on the moon?
 

well what do you think, did Americans really land on the moon, did anyone really walk on the moon, etc?

I think we did, but i would just like to hear some reasons why people think we may not have, I have heard some pretty silly ones, like "How could we land on the moon in something covered in tin foil?"

I think that man has made it to the moon and back. If we can send probes to Mars, we can go to the moon.

SM70....did you get a chance to see the special on it? I did and it certainly put a whole lot of doubt in my head. They analyzed the screen shots and made comments on many things that give reason to believe it was indeed a hoax. I saw it about 2 years ago so the details escape me at this particular moment, but it left me thinking that it was a well planned hoax that technology caught up to when it came down to the finer details.

fox moon special explained

I had looked into this awhile back, and this seemed to me to be the most thoroughly researched and cogent explanation.

Just thought I'd share it if anyone was interested.

*sigh* i can't believe people are only reading the last couple of comments on a very well worked thread...

read the thread.... it's all there.

if man did not take his rocket ship to the moon, then we would not have tang, the delicious orange breakfast drink.

we have tang. so moon, yes!

Although the argument is amusing, I think it is beyond stupidity to think that we could get into space and not be able to land on the moon. But, you know... to each his/her own.

Ive read allot from both sides. I saw the special and have seen the explanations debunking it. Some of them explain it well others dont. WHen I think that it would be impossible for the government to pull something like that I think about everything else its pulled and gotten away with.

The shot of the Earth rising in the background seem compelling proof to me. I do question why we havent went back. To say they have enough data and theres no reason seems weak to me. It would seem that having a lunar base would be just as; if not more beneficial that a space station.

I keep hearing about Japan doind an orbit around the moon, nut nothing concrete. That will silence any doubt or any lies.

yes because if they didn't then the REAL man on the moon would have been more hyped up... if they've done it afterwards then they obviously had to have done it at a time when it wasn't done before... yeah.. < confusing

I think they did land on the moon, although I wouldn't put it past them to trick us either :P

yes, but not in the year that they claim to land in the moon, years later....

Yeah, my bad Cynthetiq.

Awww, you beat me to it. Anyone who reads this article and still thinks the moon landing never happened is beyond hope.

The people who don't believe we landed on the Moon and love to speak highly about it are just looking for some form of attention and that's exactly what they get too. And there are some kinds of people who will never believe what you tell them despite insurmountable evidence proving so. They could probably see the flag up there on the Moon themselves and they still wouldn't want to believe it.

those are the same people whose family lineage can be traced to those same people who thought the earth was flat and the center of the universe.

In fact, I'm sure that some producer out there could come up with some compelling evidence showing that the earth still is the center of the universe and that all science proving otherwise is flawed. I'd even bet my bottom dollar that if such a show existed we'd have thread here on it and several people who would actually believe the show's viewpoint.

I saw this broadcast a couple years ago...it was convincing at the time...but a bit ridiculous, now that I look back on it...

Had to be true.

Technology back in 1969 wasn't good enough to fake it.

Thanks for listening.

My biggest issue with this and other conspiracy theories is that people just don't keep secrets this well. While Clinton was the most powerful man on the planet he was unable to keep secret his dalliance with an intern

There are many other examples; Iran-contra, Watergate, Enron. To fake the moon landing would require the cooperation of thousands for decades. NASA janitors and the heads of state would be involved and someone would be talking about it.

Yes I think we landed on the moon. There is a great website that debunks the fox program; I can't find the link right now though. I'll return when I find it.

Eh, I missed the second page where i was linked! Doh, sorry.

http://www.moonmovie.com/

I didn't read the whole thread because I could care less what others think on the matter, just personal preference.

I believed it was true up until I watched this movie and did some research. Not that this one movie changed my whole outlook, but if you watch it, you will second-guess yourself and the footage they have at the end, of them staging the half circle of the earth is just insane. If ANYONE is interested in this stuff watch this movie, it changed my whole outlook on the landing.

I don't want to start an arguement, so thats why I am not really reading this thread :) but some of BadAstronomy.com's arguements are totally bunk and arrogant. "The astronaughts wanted the flag to wave, it seems it worked to well!" Good scientific proof there buddy.

Who's totally bunk and arrogant?

What does your name mean in Korean? Is that what you were going for? I believe you spelled it wrong if you were.

If you wouldn't have cut out half my message you would have saw I didn't want to read others opinions because I didn't want to start any arguements. Arguements can be good mm kay? But that is not the message I am trying to convey.

Korean? Hehehe...wrong again! What are you...0 for 2 now?

Of course you didn't want to start an argument, you just wanted to claim someone was arrogant while stating you didn't care what anyone else thinks. Pretty much the definition of arrogance, eh?.

Sorry, I just couldn't pass up the irony in your post.

and if you bothered to read the thread you would have seen the messages that other people have tried to convey, and not just your single biased point of view. I read your message from top to bottom and the fact remains that since you didn't bother to respect other's opinions how do you expect them to respect yours?

Sipsakei or something similiar in korean is swearing something, I have a korean friend from school that always says something similar.

No problem, I'm vain too.

Would you care to provide a link to verify your claim? I don't mean to sound like an arse, but it does not seem entirely implausible and therefore warrants the attention.

omg people think we landed on the moon, lol thats funny stuff

I think we did.

lol my roomie belives no one has landed on the moon ever, but then she is partially blind in one eye from doing a acid tab in it,

go figure

"The astronaughts wanted the flag to wave, it seems it worked to well!" wasn't the argument. The argument was that because they knew a regular flag would just stay limp, they added another pole that extended horizontally from the top of the vertical pole. This horizontal pole supported the flag, and if it is not extended all the way, then the flag will be ruffled, and look like it is waving.

Hell yes we did....like others said...the russians would of exposed it a long time ago and make a big fuss about it if we didn't....

It would have come out by now in a more mainstream way if any part of the adventure had been manipulated, methinks.

I've been suprised by the number of conspiracy theorists who believe it was faked.

Then where did the Moon Rocks come from???


hehehe


I believe it did happen, but it does make for a funny idea though.

Geez, I've seen the moonrocks. I'd hate to think I'm that naive...

Its hard to form an opinion on this, because everytime you think you have figured it out, something new comes along that changes your perception.

after seeing this poll i was reminded of jim carey as loyd in dumb and dumber when he reads the article on the wall and yells " WE LANDED ON THE MOON!!!"

I belive it did happen. But some of the movies look really fake. Like craters and mountains in the background look to be made of cardboard. And the flag looking like its waving in the wind, and the reflectons in the visor.

We landed on the moon, conspiracy theories aside, we landed. Of course that is just my opinion.

I just ate a moon pie so they had to have been there :P

j/k i didn't but I do think they landed on the moon. And if I were one of the Astronauts i would be pissed that people think otherwise.

My, My...WE WERE ON THE MOON....

honest i have no idea if they Did land cuz people have been saying that it was staged and shit, but i mean behind every lie theres a bit of truth so maybe they did not land after all