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Strange Famous 10-06-2009 12:00 PM

Are vampires scared of Islamic imagery?
 
In the same way as they are of crucifix's or holy water?

In all of the media I have seen it is only Christian icons that repell them, but surely a - for example - star and crescent banner should have the same effect on them?

Xerxys 10-06-2009 12:10 PM

Strange, I always thought the same thing too. I felt that if you couldn't see their image in the mirror because of their undead nature having no essence to be replicated then you couldn't photograph them then, or make a video either. But they have distorted all vampire lore and brought on so many versions and myths about them the only mythical creature that remains intact is Santa Claus.

I still prefer the vampire from count Dracula.

ratbastid 10-06-2009 12:16 PM

http://www.toplessrobot.com/iH0w68dP...6Qh0o1_500.jpg

The_Jazz 10-06-2009 12:18 PM

mmmmm, sparkly.

Strange, that's a very interesting idea. You'd think that one would translate to the other, but what about Bhuddism and animism?

kutulu 10-06-2009 01:32 PM

My guess would be that in the land of vampires Christianity is the 'true and correct' religion. Therefore Islamic, Bhuddist, etc. symbols would have the same effect as a paper clip since they are not tied to 'real religions'

hunnychile 10-06-2009 02:59 PM

Just goes to show that they (Vampires) don't really exist except in the movies made by Christians or Goys.

Plan9 10-06-2009 03:18 PM

Pfft, this only proves that there is One True God.

inBOIL 10-06-2009 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kutulu (Post 2713030)
My guess would be that in the land of vampires Christianity is the 'true and correct' religion. Therefore Islamic, Bhuddist, etc. symbols would have the same effect as a paper clip since they are not tied to 'real religions'

This is probably it. I've heard that genies can be trapped in ther bottles by the seal of Muhammad, or somthing like that. My guess is that they would be unaffected by Christian imagery.

Reese 10-06-2009 10:47 PM

I think it has more to do with the item being blessed than it has to do with the validity of a religion in the vampire world. Water for instance is just water until it's blessed by a priest and becomes holy water.

Daniel_ 10-06-2009 10:58 PM

WHat about Chinese vampire mythology? I don't know much about it, but I did once have a flatmate that loved 70's horror films, and he used to go on about how Chinese vampires needed different techniques to kill them.

I vaguely recall watching Christopher Lee and/or Vincent Price in a Chinese vampire film from the late 70s.

dlish 10-07-2009 01:50 AM

theres no such thing as islamic imagery. pictures of icons, symbolism and statues are not permitted in islam for various reasons

i guess that makes vampires scared of islam?

i personally carry around silver bullets with me anywhere i go. i'd hate to think i'd get killed by a vampire or werewolf without having a backup plan if i chose the wrong religion.

Leto 10-07-2009 02:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hunnychile (Post 2713063)
Just goes to show that they (Vampires) don't really exist except in the movies made by Christians or Goys.

what are goys?

Xerxys 10-07-2009 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by dlish (Post 2713184)
theres no such thing as islamic imagery. pictures of icons, symbolism and statues are not permitted in islam for various reasons

i guess that makes vampires scared of islam?

i personally carry around silver bullets with me anywhere i go. i'd hate to think i'd get killed by a vampire or werewolf without having a backup plan if i chose the wrong religion.

Do you throw them at the vampires? Or does your keychain assemble to form that plastic gun I saw at the movies used to get passed metal detectors?

Baraka_Guru 10-07-2009 03:57 AM

It's not whether the vampire is "scared" so much as what repels them.

Plant matter such as hawthorne and oak have been used for such purposes. And garlic of course.

Then there is the restriction preventing vampires from entering sacred ground. I'm sure this would include mosques as well as churches.

It all comes down to the "power" that does the repelling. If you consider Islam, it is a religion that taps into the same deity. If you look at the things that repel vampires, they are tools from "God's universe" used to repel or otherwise fight evil.

Redlemon 10-07-2009 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Leto (Post 2713186)
what are goys?

"Goy" usually means anyone who is not Jewish. Not sure how it applies to hunnychile's statement.

Plan9 10-07-2009 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Baraka_Guru (Post 2713220)
It's not whether the vampire is "scared" so much as what repels them.

Plant matter such as hawthorne and oak have been used for such purposes. And garlic of course.

Then there is the restriction preventing vampires from entering sacred ground. I'm sure this would include mosques as well as churches.

It all comes down to the "power" that does the repelling. If you consider Islam, it is a religion that taps into the same deity. If you look at the things that repel vampires, they are tools from "God's universe" used to repel or otherwise fight evil.

Wait... what do you do for a living, again?

LordEden 10-07-2009 06:58 AM

There is a scene in a movie, I can not remember the title of it to save my life, that a character holds up various symbols of faith in front of a vampire/demon til one worked. It all stuck me as funny and wondered if you could just mount every major religious symbol on a staff and wave it at anything that came along. Like a Staff of Holy +3 or something.

Personally, I think it's a faith/holy thing. If the person wielding the symbol believes it is a focal point for all things good, then all things evil must be repelled against it. If a vampire is pure evil of the most unholy kind, then anything that represents a holy object or god must work against it. Evil is evil and holy is holy.

Baraka_Guru 10-07-2009 07:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crompsin (Post 2713280)
Wait... what do you do for a living, again?

I'm just an editor, which basically means I have all kinds of trivia and encyclopedic knowledge trapped in my head.

I could be wrong on practice.

Shit. Where the fuck is Corey Feldman when you need him?

LordEden 10-07-2009 07:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baraka_Guru (Post 2713296)
Shit. Where the fuck is Corey Feldman when you need him?

The Frog Brothers reporting in, O' Cap-e-tan!

http://dietrichthrall.files.wordpres.../lost-boys.jpg

mixedmedia 10-07-2009 07:52 AM

I thank god, allah and KC & the Sunshine Band (just to be safe) that I didn't have to grow up in the '80s. :p

LordEden 10-07-2009 08:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mixedmedia (Post 2713314)
I thank god, allah and KC & the Sunshine Band (just to be safe) that I didn't have to grow up in the '80s. :p

I never watched Lost Boys til about a year ago. I wasn't tortured by it till I was old enough to make fun of it.

"Oh Fuck! Jack Bauer is in this movie?!? Where is the time clock? Does he eat or use the bathroom in this movie? How can he save the world if he can't go out during the day?"

mixedmedia 10-07-2009 08:48 AM

yeah, I believe you ;)


jk *me lies in wait for LordEden to post in the 'start a rumor' thread*

Plan9 10-07-2009 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baraka_Guru (Post 2713296)
I'm just an editor

Yeah, an editor of vampire lives! You're a slayer, aren't you? I knew it. Hah!

I will now associate you with James Woods' character in that John Carpenter flick.

Baraka_Guru 10-07-2009 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crompsin (Post 2713501)
Yeah, an editor of vampire lives! You're a slayer, aren't you? I knew it. Hah!

I will now associate you with James Woods' character in that John Carpenter flick.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baraka_Crow
You ever seen a vampire?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Father Crompsin
No.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baraka_Crow
No... Well first of all, they're not romantic. It's not like they're a bunch of fuckin' fags hoppin' around in rented formal wear and seducing everybody in sight with cheesy Euro-trash accents, all right? Forget whatever you've seen in the movies: they don't turn into bats, crosses don't work. Garlic? You wanna try garlic? You could stand there with garlic around your neck and one of these buggers will bend you fucking over and take a walk up your strada-chocolata WHILE he's suckin' the blood outta your neck, all right? And they don't sleep in coffins lined in taffeta. You wanna kill one, you drive a wooden stake right through his fuckin' heart. Sunlight turns 'em into crispy critters.


dlish 10-07-2009 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xerxys (Post 2713187)
Do you throw them at the vampires? Or does your keychain assemble to form that plastic gun I saw at the movies used to get passed metal detectors?



no i chew the silver bullets. my body temperature is so high that they become molten. i then proceed to spew the silver at the attacking beasts whicheither kills them or drives them away.

it works just like schrapnel.

fresnelly 10-07-2009 04:36 PM

Uh, Vampires aren't real so they can be afraid of whatever you want them to be.

For example, I know for a fact that Vampires are deathly afraid of Pergo flooring.

Baraka_Guru 10-07-2009 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by fresnelly (Post 2713557)
Uh, Vampires aren't real [...]

Yeah, and the world is round like an apple. :rolleyes:

dlish 10-07-2009 06:16 PM

fres.. i have no idea what kind of world you live in, but duh! you obviously have reality issues

Xerxys 10-07-2009 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dlish (Post 2713522)
no i chew the silver bullets. my body temperature is so high that they become molten. i then proceed to spew the silver at the attacking beasts whicheither kills them or drives them away.

it works just like schrapnel.

You know you could just contact cromps and have him issue you silver grenades.

dlish 10-07-2009 06:42 PM

trying to stay under the radar with my sleepy cell.

Plan9 10-07-2009 07:40 PM

Baraka, you are my one true love.

jimk 10-08-2009 11:35 AM

the vampires on True Blood seemed a bit unnerved by the Maenad.......

Seaver 10-08-2009 05:25 PM

Quote:

This is probably it. I've heard that genies can be trapped in ther bottles by the seal of Muhammad, or somthing like that. My guess is that they would be unaffected by Christian imagery.
Genies are not the same in Islamic culture as they are translated into our ideas.

They derive from Djinn, which are actually evil spirits or mini-devils. They live to trick and tempt people, and generally act like fallen angels.

The part of being trapped in a bottle is moot, it's trapped by the symbols which represent the power of God. Much like the Cross is not what stops Vampires, but the power which is transferred through it.

Plan9 10-08-2009 08:18 PM

Well, at least I know where I can rustle up some Level 10 Mega Nerds the next time I wanna rockin' game of D&D.

m0rpheus 10-09-2009 01:36 AM

In Richard Matheson's I Am Legend the vampires were affected by the holy symbols of whatever religion they were before becoming a vampire. IE a Christian vampire fears crosses while a non-christian vampire doesn't care about them at all.

LordEden 10-09-2009 04:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crompsin (Post 2714093)
Well, at least I know where I can rustle up some Level 10 Mega Nerds the next time I wanna rockin' game of D&D.

Dude, I will drive to DC if I can play D&D with you. Even if you are being sarcastic.

Baraka_Guru 10-09-2009 04:31 AM

Doesn't 4.0 have a tool for online play?

LordEden 10-09-2009 04:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baraka_Guru (Post 2714198)
Doesn't 4.0 have a tool for online play?

I would be down in a heartbeat for an online Tilted D&D session. There are many different programs for we could use to communicate, have sharable maps, roll dice, and use virtual manuals. Almost all of have web cams, as most of the regulars have been on web chat before. I wish we could do this, as I can't find a group around here that I can join that I am not surrounded by bitter virgins. Let's do this.

/endgeekout
/endthreadjack

Strange Famous 10-10-2009 11:07 AM

I go along with the idea that it is the religious belief of the person using the symbolic article that determines its effect. A devout Muslim should be able to drive away a vampire with a copy of the Qu'ran as well as a Christian can with a cross. It is the chanelling of the holy against the corruption of the vampire which has the effect I think.

Walt 10-10-2009 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dlish (Post 2713184)
theres no such thing as islamic imagery. pictures of icons, symbolism and statues are not permitted in islam for various reasons.

Islamic art was huge in the 15th-17th century. The artists were revered in much the same way that Christian artists were in the same time period.

http://www.religionfacts.com/islam/t...lamic-art.html


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