Are vampires scared of Islamic imagery? - Page 2 - Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

dlish · 10-10-2009, 05:57 PM

wat, the link didntw ork. but nontheless i think you misunderstood.

i wasnt talking about islamic art itseld, but rather religious art that paints pictures of god, or statues of god or other revered people.

if you read into islamic art, you will find that instead of painting god, they painted complex geometrical shapes and calligraphy because of the prohibition to give a visual reference to god.

Strange Famous · 10-11-2009, 12:55 PM

I know you cant draw pictures of Muhammad in Islam, but every religion has recognised symbols, surely?

Wouldnt something with a crescent and a star on it obviously represent Islam and drive off a vampire?

Charlatan · 10-11-2009, 03:36 PM

And clever atheists just toss a handful of grain or rice on the ground. Everyone knows that a Vampire (especially those Chinese vampires) are compelled to stop and count each grain giving you time to make your escape.

dlish · 10-11-2009, 06:07 PM

the star and crescent was introduced by the turks im pretty sure. i cant recall correctly now, but they are just symbols that people introduced into a religion.

they have no religious significance. the same with a cross. they are just shapes after all. nothing more nothing less.

Strange Famous · 10-18-2009, 10:37 AM

Surely the people who hold them determine whether they are significant?

dlish · 10-18-2009, 05:51 PM

uughh....tell me why the star and crescent would ward off vampires again...?

Strange Famous · 10-20-2009, 11:00 PM

For the same reasons as the cross. It is a symbol that the person who holds it see's as representing their God?

boink · 10-22-2009, 12:10 AM

Jewish Vampires will run if you wave an AK at them

dlish · 10-22-2009, 05:52 AM

ive never held a star and crescent before and i dont see how anything of that nature will ward against evil vampires. thats just ridiculous if you ask me.

id rather a gun with silver bullets any day of the week

here's the wiki page for your easy reference

Star and crescent - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

rahl · 10-22-2009, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by LordEden

There is a scene in a movie, I can not remember the title of it to save my life, that a character holds up various symbols of faith in front of a vampire/demon til one worked. It all stuck me as funny and wondered if you could just mount every major religious symbol on a staff and wave it at anything that came along. Like a Staff of Holy +3 or something.

Personally, I think it's a faith/holy thing. If the person wielding the symbol believes it is a focal point for all things good, then all things evil must be repelled against it. If a vampire is pure evil of the most unholy kind, then anything that represents a holy object or god must work against it. Evil is evil and holy is holy.

I think the scene your talking about was in "The Mummy" with brendan frasier. When imutep first came back to life, Frasiers turncoat side kick benny was there and he held upa christian cross, star of david, and so on.

Strange Famous · 10-22-2009, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by dlish

here's the wiki page for your easy reference

Star and crescent - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Today it is most widely recognized as a symbol of Islam, and is often used alongside the Christian cross and the Star of David to designate Muslim nations, territory or populations"

Which is kind of the reason I used that as an example....

dlish · 10-22-2009, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Strange Famous

"Today it is most widely recognized as a symbol of Islam, and is often used alongside the Christian cross and the Star of David to designate Muslim nations, territory or populations"

Which is kind of the reason I used that as an example....

you obviously only read the first paragraph. it has no religious significance in islam in the same way that the star of david or the cross bear a direct representation to their faiths.

if one day i decided that the cardboard toilet paper roll in my bathroom was so important that it would ward me from evil spirits, thats just in my own mind. there is no way it would ward me from evil, but whats to stop me from believing it has supernatural powers to ward against evil? nothing really.

the mind can do amazing things to logic and reality

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The view that the Muslim crescent and star motif have their origins in a Zoroastrian or Iranian symbol is not limited to Iranian scholars. For example, John Denham Parsons argued that the star and crescent in combination was first associated with Islam after the Battle of Nahāvand, which marked a turning point in the capture of Persian territory and the subsequent fall of the Sassanid monarchy, "it was as the symbol of this Zoroastrian dynasty and of the fair land of Iran, that the Moslems adopted it as their own."[4]

This symbol or association of distinct symbols, however, predates Zoroastrianism, and the Sassanids. It was used by the Parthians and earlier in Mesopotamia. "The Parthian king Mithradates I conquered Mesopotamia around 147 B.C., and Susa in about 140 B.C. A later Parthian king, Orodes II (58-38 B.C.), issued coins at Susa and elsewhere which display a star and crescent on the obverse. The succeeding ruler, Phraates IV (38-3/2 B.C.), minted coins showing either a star alone or a star with crescent moon. In representing the star and crescent on their coins the Parthians thus adopted traditional symbols used in Mesopotamia and Elam more than two millennia before their own arrival in those parts."[5]

Others have noted the antiquity of this symbol.

Nowadays, the star and crescent symbol is associated with the Muslim nation; however, the symbol was used on ancient coinage almost a thousand years before the time of Muhammad. Many scholars maintain that the Western interpretation of the symbol arose from Babylonian mythology in which the juxtaposition of Sin (moon god, father of time) and Shamash (supreme ruling sun god, judge of heaven and earth) was a metaphor for the cosmic powers given to the Babylonian king to rule.[6]

Plan9 · 10-22-2009, 01:53 PM

I'm scared that Dlish might be a vampire.

I keep looking at his teeth for signs.

Baraka_Guru · 10-22-2009, 03:50 PM

It's too late....

“Don't ever invite a vampire into your house, you silly boy. It renders you powerless.”

Besides, we know RetroDracula is already within our midst.

MSD · 10-23-2009, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by dlish

theres no such thing as islamic imagery. pictures of icons, symbolism and statues are not permitted in islam for various reasons

Since the thread is derailed already, can you clear up the whole thing about pictures of Mohammed? This page:Mohammed Image Archive
seems to indicate that he was depicted many times and that he's revered as the highest prophet in the same way that Christians venerate saints and Mary while not worshiping them. I've seen differing interpretations of how it's supposed to be interpreted.

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Originally Posted by dlish

no i chew the silver bullets. my body temperature is so high that they become molten. i then proceed to spew the silver at the attacking beasts whicheither kills them or drives them away.

You people can do that? I've got to go warn Sean Hannity and Glen Beck about what the president can do to them if they don't back off.

10-10-2009, 05:57 PM	#41 (permalink)
dlish Currently sour but formerly Dlishs Super Moderator Location: Australia/UAE	wat, the link didntw ork. but nontheless i think you misunderstood. i wasnt talking about islamic art itseld, but rather religious art that paints pictures of god, or statues of god or other revered people. if you read into islamic art, you will find that instead of painting god, they painted complex geometrical shapes and calligraphy because of the prohibition to give a visual reference to god. __________________ An injustice anywhere, is an injustice everywhere I always sign my facebook comments with ()()===========(}. Does that make me gay? - Filthy

10-11-2009, 12:55 PM	#42 (permalink)
Strange Famous follower of the child's crusade?	I know you cant draw pictures of Muhammad in Islam, but every religion has recognised symbols, surely? Wouldnt something with a crescent and a star on it obviously represent Islam and drive off a vampire? __________________ "Do not tell lies, and do not do what you hate, for all things are plain in the sight of Heaven. For nothing hidden will not become manifest, and nothing covered will remain without being uncovered." The Gospel of Thomas

10-11-2009, 03:36 PM	#43 (permalink)
Charlatan Getting it. Super Moderator Location: Lion City	And clever atheists just toss a handful of grain or rice on the ground. Everyone knows that a Vampire (especially those Chinese vampires) are compelled to stop and count each grain giving you time to make your escape. __________________ "My hands are on fire. Hands are on fire. Ain't got no more time for all you charlatans and liars." - Old Man Luedecke

10-11-2009, 06:07 PM	#44 (permalink)
dlish Currently sour but formerly Dlishs Super Moderator Location: Australia/UAE	the star and crescent was introduced by the turks im pretty sure. i cant recall correctly now, but they are just symbols that people introduced into a religion. they have no religious significance. the same with a cross. they are just shapes after all. nothing more nothing less. __________________ An injustice anywhere, is an injustice everywhere I always sign my facebook comments with ()()===========(}. Does that make me gay? - Filthy

10-18-2009, 10:37 AM	#45 (permalink)
Strange Famous follower of the child's crusade?	Surely the people who hold them determine whether they are significant? __________________ "Do not tell lies, and do not do what you hate, for all things are plain in the sight of Heaven. For nothing hidden will not become manifest, and nothing covered will remain without being uncovered." The Gospel of Thomas

10-18-2009, 05:51 PM	#46 (permalink)
dlish Currently sour but formerly Dlishs Super Moderator Location: Australia/UAE	uughh....tell me why the star and crescent would ward off vampires again...? __________________ An injustice anywhere, is an injustice everywhere I always sign my facebook comments with ()()===========(}. Does that make me gay? - Filthy

10-20-2009, 11:00 PM	#47 (permalink)
Strange Famous follower of the child's crusade?	For the same reasons as the cross. It is a symbol that the person who holds it see's as representing their God? __________________ "Do not tell lies, and do not do what you hate, for all things are plain in the sight of Heaven. For nothing hidden will not become manifest, and nothing covered will remain without being uncovered." The Gospel of Thomas

10-22-2009, 12:10 AM	#48 (permalink)
boink Addict Location: Seattle	Jewish Vampires will run if you wave an AK at them __________________ when you believe in things that you don't understand, then you suffer. Superstition ain't the way.

10-22-2009, 05:52 AM	#49 (permalink)
dlish Currently sour but formerly Dlishs Super Moderator Location: Australia/UAE	ive never held a star and crescent before and i dont see how anything of that nature will ward against evil vampires. thats just ridiculous if you ask me. id rather a gun with silver bullets any day of the week here's the wiki page for your easy reference Star and crescent - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia __________________ An injustice anywhere, is an injustice everywhere I always sign my facebook comments with ()()===========(}. Does that make me gay? - Filthy

10-22-2009, 01:53 PM	#53 (permalink)
Plan9 I Confess a Shiver	I'm scared that Dlish might be a vampire. I keep looking at his teeth for signs. __________________ *Whatever you can carry.* "You should not drink... and bake."

10-22-2009, 03:50 PM	#54 (permalink)
Baraka_Guru warrior bodhisattva Super Moderator Location: East-central Canada	It's too late.... “Don't ever invite a vampire into your house, you silly boy. It renders you powerless.” Besides, we know RetroDracula is already within our midst. __________________ Knowing that death is certain and that the time of death is uncertain, what's the most important thing? —Bhikkhuni Pema Chödrön Humankind cannot bear very much reality. —From "Burnt Norton," Four Quartets (1936), T. S. Eliot Last edited by Baraka_Guru; 10-22-2009 at 03:55 PM..