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citadel · 04-16-2011, 12:26 AM

I'm equally amused by the people who've never touched violence who freak out about guns and the Republican stereotype on steroids.

longliveusa · 04-16-2011, 03:22 AM

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I'm fully aware of the WBC case. It was a predictable outcome, honestly. But SCOTUS has always - ALWAYS - erred on the side of protecting human life when it comes to free speech. That's why Holmes had that silly "shouting fire in a crowded theater" doctrine that lasted for 50 years. Which is exactly what Jones did. Oops.

No he did not not matter what you liberal Neville Chamberlains say Americans have a right to burn the quran and not damn thing you or the muslims can do about it. And if you liberals try to ban burning the quran well guess what Americans will make sure your Fascist rule ends by any means available.
And if anybody tries to harm Terry Jones Or any other American for Exercising their freedom of speech then the 2nd Amendment will come into play
By the way your comments supporting sexist racist Islam is is gonna be nice on YouTube

If the 2nd is the teeth of the 1st, then what's the 4th? The asshole? The feet? Obviously the 19th was a liverectomy and the 21st was a brand-new drinkin' liver.
So tell me do why do you back Racist Gun Control laws started by the KKK and Hitler?????

Exactly which protest signs - in the US - are Muslims holding calling for beheadings? Let's see examples. The 1st Amendment doesn't apply outside of US borders, so anything anywhere that's not the US or a territory (Guam, USVI, etc.) doesn't count. the protest signs seen in European Muslim protests when they don't get their way in telling People how they can live

Let's say you find that needle in a haystack. Guess what? They get to say that. They've got a 1st Amendment right to do so. Until it can be shown that another Muslim acted on that speech to perform a beheading, it's allowable. Jones, on the otherhand, willfully ignored warnings that burning the Qu'ran would result in violence. If Americans had been injured, he might be up on charges. He'd certainly be open to civil action. Any Law suit would be kicked out of court as a waste of the judges time and bring every Americans Attention on the person bringing the suit. And Law suites work both ways you know God Bless Conservative Freedom Lawyers

How many people have died from mocking Christians? Let's consult the Church of Latter Day Saints, shall we? They consider themselves Christian. How'd their time in Illinois work out for them? Oh, that's right, they were masacred by the gooder, better Christians.

LOL you had to search for that i bet. Gooder is not a WORD.

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and what will muslim Americans do to protect their qurans?

no such thing as that you are either American or not an American
Muslims need be American Firsts before being Muslim the quran.

Americans have the right to burn the quran Period you have no right to stop them. Just like some Americans have the right to make cross/Jesus themed vibrators or Liberal Hollywood movies have the right to mock Jesus and nothing is said and if something is said then the person is considered a evil right wing moralist
people burn the bible all the time and nobody is beheaded and no liberal cartoonist or comedians are killed for mocking christians

in the end if you want to ban burning the quran your banning DISSENT of a oppressive racist sexist book of lies

Tully Mars · 04-16-2011, 03:34 AM

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How many people have died from mocking Christians? Let's consult the Church of Latter Day Saints, shall we? They consider themselves Christian. How'd their time in Illinois work out for them? Oh, that's right, they were masacred by the gooder, better Christians.

The Mormons were capable of killing other non-gooder Christians too. The Mountain Meadows massacre in 1857 took nearly 160 lives.

Baraka_Guru · 04-16-2011, 05:04 AM

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I'm equally amused by the people who've never touched violence who freak out about guns and the Republican stereotype on steroids.

Who's freaking out?

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no such thing as that you are either American or not an American
Muslims need be American Firsts before being Muslim the quran.

There is no such thing as Christian Americans then? And there is no law requiring Muslims to be Americans first and Muslims second, so fuck that idea. I thought America was a free country. Are you suggesting that the First and Fourteenth Amendments don't apply because they're Muslim? I don't think so. Freedom is freedom. What you're suggesting is nationalistic bullshit. If they want to consider themselves Muslims first, then they have the right to do so, and there is nothing you can do or say to stop them, and all the power to them. They should be proud of who they are, and not live in fear of those who would oppress them and their faith.

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Americans have the right to burn the quran Period you have no right to stop them.

Their rights end where they hit the law of the land. Period. They can be stopped from performing any action that is in violation of the law. No one is above the law. It's called the rule of law. America is governed by laws, not people.

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Just like some Americans have the right to make cross/Jesus themed vibrators or Liberal Hollywood movies have the right to mock Jesus and nothing is said and if something is said then the person is considered a evil right wing moralist
people burn the bible all the time and nobody is beheaded and no liberal cartoonist or comedians are killed for mocking christians

False equivalence. Muslims look at the Quran and the image of Mohammed in a different light than Christians do the Bible and Christian imagery. So, no, it's not "just like".... Americans may have the right to do these things (so long as no law is broken), but it's not the same thing.

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in the end if you want to ban burning the quran your banning DISSENT of a oppressive racist sexist book of lies

Well, I want the Bible banned from public education. I don't think public money should be spent on religious texts used for religious purposes. Separation of church and state. The only exception would be the Bible (and other religious texts) made available to teach the Christian myth and the mythological value of Christ from a cultural perspective.

As for banning the burning of the Quran, it's a difficult issue. Such an action causes measurable distress in a potentially global manner. The burning of the Quran isn't a reasoned criticism of what's written in it. It's a destructive act and a political message with the potential to incite people to violence. Knowing that fact makes this more than dissent. It's an invitation to violence and an intent to cause distress, and it's intentional. You'd have to be pretty ignorant to not understand how Muslims view the word of their god. And this isn't merely a question of freedom, as there are other bans that are in place for other reasons. For example, there is a ban on public drinking and nudity, etc. Would you consider drunken public nudity a matter of dissent?

And out of curiosity: Have you read the Quran? Have you read the Bible?

The_Jazz · 04-16-2011, 05:24 AM

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LOL you had to search for that i bet. Gooder is not a WORD.

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no such thing as that you are either American or not an American
Muslims need be American Firsts before being Muslim the quran.

Americans have the right to burn the quran Period you have no right to stop them. Just like some Americans have the right to make cross/Jesus themed vibrators or Liberal Hollywood movies have the right to mock Jesus and nothing is said and if something is said then the person is considered a evil right wing moralist
people burn the bible all the time and nobody is beheaded and no liberal cartoonist or comedians are killed for mocking christians

in the end if you want to ban burning the quran your banning DISSENT of a oppressive racist sexist book of lies

Look it up? Nope. You obviously haven't bothered to read any of my other drivel here. That's pretty much off the top of my head.

As for "gooder", well, look up. See that think zooming along, way, way up there? That's the point, moving at Mach 3 at 60,000 feet above your head.

You don't have the right to burn the American flag if it's going to cause a riot. If it won't you do. Pretty simple. Even you should be able to understand that.

Walt · 04-16-2011, 06:48 AM

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Who's freaking out?

Look at you, talking all faggy when your shit's all retarded. Supportin your bullshit arguments with your complete sentences and grammar. More like "gay-more".

Baraka_Guru · 04-16-2011, 07:45 AM

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Look at you, talking all faggy when your shit's all retarded. Supportin your bullshit arguments with your complete sentences and grammar. More like "gay-more".

Forget it, Donny, you're out of your element!

longliveusa · 04-16-2011, 08:12 AM

you still have not shown any time Christians have beheaded people for mocking Jesus and the bible. Mormans are not Christian they worship Idols not Jesus. Exercising free speech does not cause riots. that is just some lame attempt to stifle dissent. Americans have every right to burn the quran and if you do not like it then go where women are buried up to their necks and stoned to death. this idea that if Americans give up our freedoms islam will just leave us along is the dumbest idea i have every heard. i would burn a quran in your face and you could not do a damn thing about.

dogzilla · 04-16-2011, 08:20 AM

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you still have not shown any time Christians have beheaded people for mocking Jesus and the bible. Mormans are not Christian they worship Idols not Jesus. Exercising free speech does not cause riots. that is just some lame attempt to stifle dissent. Americans have every right to burn the quran and if you do not like it then go where women are buried up to their necks and stoned to death. this idea that if Americans give up our freedoms islam will just leave us along is the dumbest idea i have every heard. i would burn a quran in your face and you could not do a damn thing about.

You might research the Crusades and the Inquisition. You might find out Christians were not such nice people after all.

Tully Mars · 04-16-2011, 08:21 AM

So you think Mormons or "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" doesn't believe in Jesus Christ?

longliveusa · 04-16-2011, 08:36 AM

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Who's freaking out?

There is no such thing as Christian Americans then? And there is no law requiring Muslims to be Americans first and Muslims second, so fuck that idea. I thought America was a free country. Are you suggesting that the First and Fourteenth Amendments don't apply because they're Muslim? I don't think so. Freedom is freedom. What you're suggesting is nationalistic bullshit. If they want to consider themselves Muslims first, then they have the right to do so, and there is nothing you can do or say to stop them, and all the power to them. They should be proud of who they are, and not live in fear of those who would oppress them and their faith.

Who is oppressing Muslims in the US????????? I am suggesting Muslims living in America abide by our laws and not demand Reporters to be Fired for questioning Islam. Christians and Hindus do not demand special treatment and Segregated Gym Facilities at Harvard Muslim protestors in NY wave signs saying Islam will dominate. Christians and Hindus think of our selves as American.

Their rights end where they hit the law of the land. Period. They can be stopped from performing any action that is in violation of the law. No one is above the law. It's called the rule of law. America is governed by laws, not people.

America is ruled by we the people the government is the peoples servants or that the way the constitution states the government should be. At.merican women will wear what they want and Islam will just have to get over i

False equivalence. Muslims look at the Quran and the image of Mohammed in a different light than Christians do the Bible and Christian imagery. So, no, it's not "just like".... Americans may have the right to do these things (so long as no law is broken), but it's not the same thing.

Who gives a damn how the muslims look at the quran Americans have the right to burn it and not a damn thing you or anybody else can do about it unless they want the wrath of Americans to come down on them. Any politician that tries to ban burning the quran will find him or herself out of a job.

Well, I want the Bible banned from public education. I don't think public money should be spent on religious texts used for religious purposes. Separation of church and state. The only exception would be the Bible (and other religious texts) made available to teach the Christian myth and the mythological value of Christ from a cultural perspective.
the bible is banned in public schools even though their is no such thing as separation of church and state in the constitution. but some how one public school was caught trying to force kids to learn Arabic.

As for banning the burning of the Quran, it's a difficult issue. Such an action causes measurable distress in a potentially global manner. The burning of the Quran isn't a reasoned criticism of what's written in it. It's a destructive act and a political message with the potential to incite people to violence. Knowing that fact makes this more than dissent. It's an invitation to violence and an intent to cause distress, and it's intentional. You'd have to be pretty ignorant to not understand how Muslims view the word of their god. And this isn't merely a question of freedom, as there are other bans that are in place for other reasons. For example, there is a ban on public drinking and nudity, etc. Would you consider drunken public nudity a matter of dissent?
Drunken Public Nudity is allowed at San Fran Folsom Street Fair look up zombietime.com
Women have freedom to get a education incite muslims to violence should we ban women from being educated. Women being to westernized incited a muslim to violence Arizona Islamic honor killer gets 34 years for murder, aggravated assault cant post the link cause i have to have 15 or higher posts

Should we not have allowed blacks to vote just cause some racist scum got mad??? What about Rosa Parks sitting in the front of the bus that incited racist scum to get mad?????

And out of curiosity: Have you read the Quran? Have you read the Bible?

Tully Mars · 04-16-2011, 08:38 AM

What's the point of posting a quote of someone's post? If you have something to add then do so, if you don't then there's little point of making such a post.

longliveusa · 04-16-2011, 09:00 AM

You might research the Crusades and the Inquisition. You might find out Christians were not such nice people after all.

the crusades were in response to the aggression of Islam.

Mormons believe in John Smith not Jesus Christ

Tully Mars · 04-16-2011, 09:04 AM

No. LDS do in fact believe and worship Jesus. The fact that they believe in the teachings of John Smith or anyone else does not prove they do not believe in Christ. That's like saying Catholic don't believe in Jesus because they believe in the Pope.

The_Jazz · 04-16-2011, 09:32 AM

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you still have not shown any time Christians have beheaded people for mocking Jesus and the bible. Mormans are not Christian they worship Idols not Jesus. Exercising free speech does not cause riots. that is just some lame attempt to stifle dissent. Americans have every right to burn the quran and if you do not like it then go where women are buried up to their necks and stoned to death. this idea that if Americans give up our freedoms islam will just leave us along is the dumbest idea i have every heard. i would burn a quran in your face and you could not do a damn thing about.

You really hate being wrong, don't you. Hate, hate, hate it. Almost as much as you hate anyone who doesn't believe what you believe.

How's that working out for you?

Anywho, beheading: how's about, oh, the Reformation. You know, when Catholics would behead entire cities of Protestants? Or vice versa? Or just save themselves the trouble and heard them all in a church and set it on fire?

Or we could talk about how Russian pogroms, but I'm sure that Orthodox Christians just aren't the right kind of Christians for your way of thinking. Exactly who's acceptable in this debate? Apparently since the Mormons aren't (even though they think they are), you're going to have to let me know who's in and who's out.

Exercising free speech occassionally does, in fact, cause riots. That's why you can't tell a mob of folks "Let's go kill all the Jews/Frankensteins/liberals/newbie idiots on message boards!" The state has a responsibility to keep you from causing harm to other citizens. It's a balancing act, one that you're apparently unfamiliar with.

Americans have the right to burn the Qu'ran up to the point that it's going to cause someone else harm. Sorry if you can't figure that out. I know! I'm going to burn a stack of Bibles! Bibles wrapped in American flags! And stacked on top of copies The Constitution and the Declaration of Independence! And I'll do it while dressed as Benedict Arnold! What do you think about that?

If that's going to cause a riot, I can't do it. Pretty simple. You should be able to understand that, right?

You're right about one thing - I wouldn't give a damn if you burned a Qu'ran in my face. I'd think you were being a complete idiot, and possibly a firebug, but I wouldn't really care. But that's not the point now, is it?

EventHorizon · 04-16-2011, 09:35 AM

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the crusades were in response to the aggression of Islam.

"But mom he started it!"

Baraka_Guru · 04-16-2011, 10:15 AM

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the crusades were in response to the aggression of Islam.

Actually, the Crusades were in response to anything deemed not the true Christian faith in the eyes of the Holy Roman Empire. This led to campaigns against people other than Muslims as well. It was about reclaiming and securing the Holy Land to stabilize and disseminate the Christian myth.

In a way, it's related to the Islamofascism of today, which is a response to modernity and Western cultural hegemony: anything deemed not to be the true Islamic faith.

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Mormons believe in John Smith not Jesus Christ

Papists are decadent and Proddies are deviants. What's your point? There is no one "authentic" denomination of Christianity, unless you consider the Eastern Orthodox Church, or the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church. All others are imposters and poseurs.

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you still have not shown any time Christians have beheaded people for mocking Jesus and the bible. Mormans are not Christian they worship Idols not Jesus. Exercising free speech does not cause riots. that is just some lame attempt to stifle dissent. Americans have every right to burn the quran and if you do not like it then go where women are buried up to their necks and stoned to death. this idea that if Americans give up our freedoms islam will just leave us along is the dumbest idea i have every heard. i would burn a quran in your face and you could not do a damn thing about.

I don't get this. How does the lack of murderous Christians in any way make it okay to burn Qurans?

And as Jazz points out, yes, free speech can and does incite violence or cause danger. That's why the right to free speech is no absolute.

And do you know what I think is a dumb idea? Burning Qurans as a means of dissent or criticism of Islam. What does it accomplish other than make right-wing/fundamentalist/extremist Muslims react in anger and violence? It's like pushing a button. It's dumb and unethical. It's un-American and un-Christian. As an atheistic humanist, I find it a deplorable act that ranks up there with Holocaust denial and calls to violence against particular groups. This is because it has a direct impact with very real consequences. If you can't see that, then you are either turning a blind eye or have no concept of cause and effect. You have little capacity for compassion and those who could be hurt either physically or emotionally from such an act.

There is no Christian equivalent. Like I said, burning the "Word of God" to Muslims is a dire thing that Christians don't understand. This is no excuse for violence, but if you know it can set violent people off, then why do it? Would Jesus do it? Buddha wouldn't do it.

Plan9 · 04-16-2011, 10:20 AM

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Forget it, Donny, you're out of your element!

Jesus Christ, did you even read the script?

longliveusa · 04-16-2011, 10:33 AM

you can burn all the bibles you want you can burn the American flag if you want and nobody will be beheaded. No Christians will fly planes into the muslim twin towers.
I hate nobody and you claiming i does not change that fact burning the quran is about protesting the treatment of Women/Minorities under islam and muslim countries.

The_Jazz · 04-16-2011, 11:03 AM

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I hate nobody and you claiming i does not change that fact burning the quran is about protesting the treatment of Women/Minorities under islam and muslim countries.

Way to change your tune. You're now concerned about women and minorities in Muslim countries?

Let's review the whargarble up to this point:

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How many Embassies/stores burned down/fatwa's placed on cartoonist for cartoons mocking Christians
.... And that Americans will use all tools to defend their right to burn the racist sexist fascist quran. Which says if muslims kill the Infiadal they get 72 virgins.

Read more: http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/newrepl...#ixzz1JiGqAXZJ

I'm pretty sure you don't know what makes a facist. Or how facism is different than Marxism. Or what a corporatist is. Which means that you're using words that you don't understand.

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Well unless you want to fight Americans Armed Americans. you know if you or any liberal would to try to attack terry Jones the 2nd Amendment would come into play. the 2nd Amendment is the Teeth of the other Amendments.

Read more: http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/newrepl...#ixzz1JiHPEzbB

Terry Jones is a cult leader. He's got a church set up with a for-profit business housed inside that he owns. All church members work for that business. He doesn't allow them to talk to non-church members. Does he have a right to say what he wants and worship how he wants? Sure. Right up to the point where he causes other folks harm. Which he did.

If Terry Jones is a hero, I'd like to introduce you to a guy named Jim Jones.

You know who was also responsible? The crazy imam in Afganistan that goaded all of his followers into the riot. Is Terry Jones 100% responsible? Of course not. But does he bear some of the blame. Oh hells yeah.

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no such thing as that you are either American or not an American
Muslims need be American Firsts before being Muslim the quran.

Read more: http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/newrepl...#ixzz1JiIpC1xG

Replace "American" with "Nazi" and "Muslim" with "Jewish" and you got yourself a good old fashioned Holocaust there, son! Woowhee! Just like Grampy did with the rest of the Hitler Youth! Let's round 'em all up and send 'em up the chimbley!

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Geert Wilders is back on trial for the mere crime of questioning islam

Why does is the Harvard Gym Allowed to practice gender segregation just to please Muslims i though all segregation was Illegal in the us it guess its all right non muslim students to pay the same price for using the facilities but not having equal access.

Why is Muslim cabbies allowed to ban blind peoples seeing eye guide dogs is this not violet the Americans with Disabilities act.

Read more: http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/newrepl...#ixzz1JiJehSTZ

What the fuck does a Dutch politician who's a closet Zionist have to do with anything?

Harvard's a private university. Therefore they can schedule their gym sessions however they wish. Newflash - the University of Michigan does the exact same thing!

Yeah, Muslim cabbies aren't allowed to do that in any city I know of. They aren't in Chicago, New York, Minneapolis or Washington DC. I checked. So try again.

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Sarah Palin is not a republican she is a Conservative

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This one's my favorite. Because it's so obviously and clearly wrong that it become pure comedy gold. Mrs. Palin self-identifies as a Republican and consistently speak about Republican issues within the party, specifically with what's become the Tea Party Wing of the party.
I like you longliveusa. You're such a poor example of Conservative America that it's a joy to see what misguided crap you're going to post next.

Baraka_Guru · 04-16-2011, 11:22 AM

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you can burn all the bibles you want you can burn the American flag if you want and nobody will be beheaded. No Christians will fly planes into the muslim twin towers.

Try to stay focused. The point isn't whether burning Bibles or American flags will have the same response. I'm sure we could cancel American Idol too, and no tasteless American teenage girls will fly planes into twin American network buildings.

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I hate nobody and you claiming i does not change that fact burning the quran is about protesting the treatment of Women/Minorities under islam and muslim countries.

If you think that burning the Quran is going to accomplish anything or advance any progress towards how women or minorities are treated in Muslim countries, you have no idea what you're talking about. If you sincerely cared about women's rights and minorities rights in these nations, instead of supporting the ignorance of a book burning, you would instead support the idea of the liberalization of Islam. Do you know what that entails? Here's a hint: there's no fire involved and it includes actually reading the Quran.

You are more interested in fighting Islam than you are in supporting women and minorities. The fact of the matter is there are millions of women around the world who are proud Muslims and will not give up their faith, nor should they.

So the next time you want to protest for women's rights or the rights of minorities, try doing something relevant instead of attacking the faith of Muslims. Do you support the Muslim women in your community? Do you support the Muslim minorities in your community? Or would you rather burn their Quran?

longliveusa · 04-16-2011, 11:59 AM

What the fuck does a Dutch politician who's a closet Zionist have to do with anything?
Geert Widers is a Liberal Democrat. you keep proving my point for me why Americans will continue to burn the quran weather you democrats like it or not.
Here's your peacehful Islam
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The_Jazz · 04-16-2011, 12:12 PM

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What the fuck does a Dutch politician who's a closet Zionist have to do with anything?
Geert Widers is a Liberal Democrat. you keep proving my point for me why Americans will continue to burn the quran weather you democrats like it or not.

Really? You must be talking about a complete different Geert Wilders than I am. Because the one I'm talking about is a part of the Party for Freedom in the Netherlands. He considers himself a "right-wing liberal". Liberal Democrat? If you're using American terms, you're using them wrong.

Really, keep going. Because all you're managing to do here is dig yourself a deep hole.

I like how you assume that I'm an American Democrat. Because that assumption is pretty stupid as well as wrong. But go ahead with that and see how it works out for you.

As for your links, do I really have to go dig up accounts of riots in Christian countries. Because I can do that if need be. We can talk about how the kids at Michigan State like to set couches on fire after big wins and bang heads with the cops. They're predominantly Christians. Or we can talk about how Christians rape and imprison their daughters - not too many Muslims getting caught doing that. Hey, how about all those Detroit Christians that used to set their city on fire the night before Halloween?

Using anecdotal evidence to prove your point isn't going to do much for your cause.

Baraka_Guru · 04-16-2011, 12:42 PM

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Really? You must be talking about a complete different Geert Wilders than I am. Because the one I'm talking about is a part of the Party for Freedom in the Netherlands. He considers himself a "right-wing liberal". Liberal Democrat? If you're using American terms, you're using them wrong.

Really, keep going. Because all you're managing to do here is dig yourself a deep hole.

I like how you assume that I'm an American Democrat. Because that assumption is pretty stupid as well as wrong. But go ahead with that and see how it works out for you.

As for your links, do I really have to go dig up accounts of riots in Christian countries. Because I can do that if need be. We can talk about how the kids at Michigan State like to set couches on fire after big wins and bang heads with the cops. They're predominantly Christians. Or we can talk about how Christians rape and imprison their daughters - not too many Muslims getting caught doing that. Hey, how about all those Detroit Christians that used to set their city on fire the night before Halloween?

Using anecdotal evidence to prove your point isn't going to do much for your cause.

Let's not forget the people who are the original subject of this thread: the militias, which, more likely than not, are conservative Christians. The more fringe of these are the ones who would do violence upon their own country via the red-baiting of democratically elected politicians and their policies. They are the ones calling liberal policies "socialist," despite the fact that similar policies are what made America great in the first place.

These people are a much closer threat to America than some Third World Muslim groups seething over American hegemony.

The paranoia of these militant groups in America who think that Islam and liberalism are the devil aren't so steeped in peaceful means either. But I give them credit for at least not acting out---yet, anyway. But this, after all, is the topic of the thread.

Will right-wing militia nutjobs lose their nut if Obama gets re-elected and continues Democratic government? What is the future of liberalism in a nation becoming more hostile to the idea of centrism?

longliveusa · 04-16-2011, 01:23 PM

More lies to cover up for Radical Islam and socialism you cant even prove what you say.
As Christians do not rape women. Islam counts women 5th class citizens and in muslim countries it takes the testimony of 2 Males to prove rape. No Christians i know of burn cities before Halloween. Can you tell me why Nadal Hasan the Muslim who shouted allah ak bar and gunned down 14 American troops at fort Hood is still alive and getting Tax payer dollars and why has obama not avenged the death of 2 USAF personal gunned down by a German Muslim who shouted allah akbar after watching a Antiwar movie made by a liberal which slanders us troops like the democrat leader Murtha who said US marines raped girls in Iraq
the Militias are the ones who freed America from England the kkk is not considered a Militia. Rugged Individualist made America great not socialism. the American president is elected by the electoral college. their is no such thing as the right wing that is a racist slanderous term cooked up by Hillary Clinton to silence dissent during bill Clinton term.
America is not a democracy America is a Constitutional Republic. a democracy is 2 wolves fighting over one lamb a republic is a well armed lamb contesting the vote

The_Jazz · 04-16-2011, 01:48 PM

Christians don't rape women? Oh, that's right, Catholic priests only rape little kids. Gotcha.

Oh wait, I don't have an axe to grind against the Catholics. Scratch that - evangelical preachers are just deeply closeted homosexuals that like to get it on with male prostitutes.

Scratch that too - I don't have an axe to grind against homosexuals either. Here we go - evangelical preachers only rape their office assistants who later go on to pose in Playboy.

Google "devil's night detroit" and count the Christians holding matches.

Hasan is obviously mentally ill. If you bothered to read the Army's report (which you clearly haven't), that's what the top brass got flayed over - failing to realize that they had a mentally ill guy on their hands that was becomig radicalized.

And exactly how should Obama "avenge" those deaths? Bomb Germany? We tried that already. You'd just bitch about the Marshall Plan afterwards, though.

The Militias didn't free the US from England. You missed your history classes. It was called the Continental Army and they were a professional fighting force made up of former militiamen.

Tully Mars · 04-16-2011, 02:03 PM

Must you keep posting facts here? It's much more comical in this thread without them.

Almirschuch · 04-16-2011, 02:18 PM

I don't know if "statist" is the right term for the antithesis of individualist in this context. I'd be more comfortable with something a bit more general, like collectivist.

EventHorizon · 04-16-2011, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by longliveusa

More lies to cover up for Radical Islam and socialism you cant even prove what you say.

Count the number of links that people have been using in their arguments as proof. Also, socialism is an economic, not a political strategy. It has very little to do with legislation.

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Originally Posted by longliveusa

As Christians do not rape women.

Ok dude, I'm a Christian too and as much as i hate to say it, and as much as rapists give good Christians a really bad name, it DOES happen, not even counting unordained folk, how many priests have committed rape?

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Originally Posted by longliveusa

why has obama not avenged the death of 2 USAF personal

If you want to seem credible, please use proper English. I think the word you were looking for is "personnel".

If you want to sound like a patriotic American (instead of an anarchist which is the picture you're slowly starting to paint for me), please use the proper title when referring to President Obama. You may not like him, but you are an American, and he is your president. If it bothers you too much to follow proper decorum when referring to someone in office (would you call a judge "dude"?) then kindly leave. They are civil servants who are keeping what is best for the country as a whole in mind.

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Originally Posted by longliveusa

The Militias are the ones who freed America from England the kkk is not considered a Militia.

Since we're no longer under imperial rule, we don't need militias anymore. Thankfully, there are people who are willing to put themselves in harm's way for your sake, being led by people much more socially aware and intelligent than you or I. The KKK isn't considered a militia (lowercase "m") because although they do have their marches, they are done peacefully and with the exceptions of a few in the group, they remain nonviolent.

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Originally Posted by longliveusa

Rugged Individualist made America great not socialism. the American president is elected by the electoral college. their is no such thing as the right wing that is a racist slanderous term cooked up by Hillary Clinton to silence dissent during bill Clinton term.
America is not a democracy America is a Constitutional Republic. a democracy is 2 wolves fighting over one lamb a republic is a well armed lamb contesting the vote

Disregarding BG's imminent heart attack at the sight of this (mis)use of language and punctuation. How did "Rugged Individualist made America great not socialism?" Who do you think makes up the electoral college? Elected representatives. "The right wing" is not a race, and its not slanderous, its a symbol for where one lies on the political spectrum. America is a democratic republic; I think if you crack an American Government textbook or two you'll find that they'll agree.

(if you find political slant in the dictionary, then you are literally too dumb to argue with)
Democracy: Democracy | Define Democracy at Dictionary.com

Republic: Republic | Define Republic at Dictionary.com

Nothing to do with weapons, lions, or lambs (oh my!). Please start making sense. I want to reach the point where i can say "Well longliveusa, I understand and respect your opinion, but i disagree." That way we can both go our separate ways smarter than we were before.

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Originally Posted by Plan9

Jesus Christ, did you even read the script?

Plus fucking one!

longliveusa · 04-16-2011, 04:15 PM

Militias Did Free America from the king of England, Obama is not my president i do not have to respect him i my respect is for the office not obama. Hasan was not mentally ill he was a part of a Muslim terrorist command group whos mission was to commit acts of terrorist in the name of Islam. He Shouted Allah Akbar and Mowed down 14 American Patriots who Western Superior Civilization. Hassan Is worshiped as a hero by Islam. the Muslim in Germany killed 2 USAF personal after watching a liberal antiwar film which slandered Us troops. Catholic Priest that molested kids should be in jail they are not Christians. devils night was not committed by any Christians i know. Obama is not respecting the constitution why should respect him??? Obama has backed gun control all of his life. Obama wanted to keep the racist sexist fascist Clinton gun ban in place. Obama and holder back gun registration which is illegal and unconstitutional. Obama surrendered to Russia and give them everything they wanted and rushed the new start arms treaty through during a lame duck session which has never been done before with the Russians not giving anything at all. Also Russia now has a say in how America deploys any anti missile defenses. Obama has betrayed our only real friend in the Mideast aka Israel. America is a Constitutional Republic not a democracy run by mob rule where the government is my servant or that is how its supposed to be. their is no such thing as the right wing. that myth was started during the clintion admin by hillary clintion.
Militias are here to stay and there is not a damn thing you can do to stop them. If you do not back Militias then you do not back the 2nd Amendment which is treason!!!!!

Baraka_Guru · 04-16-2011, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by EventHorizon

How did "Rugged Individualist made America great not socialism?" Who do you think makes up the electoral college? Elected representatives. "The right wing" is not a race, and its not slanderous, its a symbol for where one lies on the political spectrum. America is a democratic republic; I think if you crack an American Government textbook or two you'll find that they'll agree.

Thanks for pointing this out. I don't know why longliveusa made it sound like democracy isn't a part of the American political system. It's an important feature.

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Plus fucking one!

Why? Should I read the script? Did I miss something?

EventHorizon · 04-16-2011, 04:34 PM

I'm terribly sorry that i can't have an intelligent conversation with you longliveusa. Believe that you have won this argument if you want because I'm not going to argue with an irrational person anymore. I hope one day you look back at this thread and see what everyone else sees.

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Originally Posted by Baraka_Guru

Why? Should I read the script? Did I miss something?

If you cant recite the script to The Movie without any variations what was originally written, you don't deserve to mention The Movie in the presence of TFP! (please please note the sarcasm)

"Big Lebowski" Script

Baraka_Guru · 04-16-2011, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by longliveusa

Obama is not my president i do not have to respect him i my respect is for the office not obama.

The United States of America has a president and his name is Barack Hussein Obama. Say it with me: His name....is Barack Hussein Obama. His name....is Barack Hussein Obama. You don't have to respect him, but he is your president.

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Hasan was not mentally ill he was a part of a Muslim terrorist command group whos mission was to commit acts of terrorist in the name of Islam. He Shouted Allah Akbar and Mowed down 14 American Patriots who Western Superior Civilization. Hassan Is worshiped as a hero by Islam. the Muslim in Germany killed 2 USAF personal after watching a liberal antiwar film which slandered Us troops. Catholic Priest that molested kids should be in jail they are not Christians. devils night was not committed by any Christians i know.

So wait. Christians who do wrong aren't Christians, but Muslims who do wrong are still Muslims? You can't pick and choose who is who. You can't suggest a whole faith is wrong for one thing, but another faith is fine despite another. It's called moral selectivism or favortism, and it doesn't make any sense.

[quote]Obama is not respecting the constitution why should respect him??? Obama has backed gun control all of his life. Obama wanted to keep the racist sexist fascist Clinton gun ban in place. Obama and holder back gun registration which is illegal and unconstitutional.

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Obama surrendered to Russia and give them everything they wanted and rushed the new start arms treaty through during a lame duck session which has never been done before with the Russians not giving anything at all. Also Russia now has a say in how America deploys any anti missile defenses.

Um, the treaty with Russia is to ensure that America maintains rights to inspect Russia's nuclear arsenal, while simultaneously participating in a sensible reduction of nuclear arms. That isn't "surrendering"; it's a matter of national security. What are you worried about? The Soviets?

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Obama has betrayed our only real friend in the Mideast aka Israel.

If you're talking about Obama criticizing Israeli settlement plan, then I disagree. While it's easy to see criticism of unethical practices of Israel as a "betrayal" or antisemitic, it's not. News flash: Palestinians are humans too.

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America is a Constitutional Republic not a democracy run by mob rule where the government is my servant or that is how its supposed to be. their is no such thing as the right wing. that myth was started during the clintion admin by hillary clintion.

Wow. I don't know where to begin. Your constitutional republic has essential and unalienable democratic elements, most prominent being representational and accountable government. Do you vote for representatives of government? Are they responsible to you as a constituent? That's democracy, man. Gotta love it. What the constitutional republic thing does is ensure that America is ruled by laws and not people. It is the people that make things work though.

And there is no such thing as the right wing? What's that supposed to mean? America is filled with socialists and liberals? There's no such thing as conservatives? Give me a break. America is governed by centrists and right-wingers. It's more accurate to say there is no such thing as the left wing, at least no in government. If you want to see left-wing governance, you need to look outside America. American left wingers are kept out of office en masse and are regulated to the fringe. Even those left wingers who are high profile have the disadvantage of not being able to vote for left wing politicians because there aren't any who can win office.

But you need only look north of the border to see social democrats in office in Canada. I vote for social democrats in both provincial and federal elections, and I will continue to do so in the future. Unlike the U.S., Canada has a healthy multiparty system with both a left and a right wing. America flies in circles with two right wings.

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Militias are here to stay and there is not a damn thing you can do to stop them. If you do not back Militias then you do not back the 2nd Amendment which is treason!!!!!

No one is taking away your guns, so settle down. And despite what you might thing, militias are just as beholden to the laws of the land as politicians are. No one is above the law. If right-wing militias refuse to accept a democratically elected Democratic government, then they have little recourse inside the law.

Of course, they might use the Constitution as an excuse, which is shameful and abusive, not to mention selective. I find many right wingers enshrine the First and Second but downplay or corrupt other amendments. Which is odd. Either respect the Constitution in its entirety or you don't respect it enough.

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Originally Posted by EventHorizon

If you cant recite the script to The Movie without any variations what was originally written, you don't deserve to mention The Movie in the presence of TFP! (please please note the sarcasm)

Quote:

Originally Posted by WALTER

Forget it, Donny. You're out of
your element.

"Big Lebowski" Script

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Originally Posted by Baraka_Guru

Forget it, Donny, you're out of your element!

Sorry, did I mispunctuate?

longliveusa · 04-16-2011, 04:46 PM

democracy is mob rule which has no place in a free country. Calling me irrational is just a way of attacking my freedom of speech. you are no conservative you are a liberal democrat. but in the end the Tea Party the real conservatives will defeated the liberal democrats/muslims and socialist. God bless America/Israel/Japan and Superior Western Civilization.

Baraka_Guru · 04-16-2011, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by longliveusa

democracy is mob rule which has no place in a free country. Calling me irrational is just a way of attacking my freedom of speech. you are no conservative you are a liberal democrat. but in the end the Tea Party the real conservatives will defeated the liberal democrats/muslims and socialist. God bless America/Israel/Japan and Superior Western Civilization.

Wow. Just wow. If America had no democracy at all, you know what it would have? Meritocracy, autocracy, or plutocracy, or something in place of everyday Americans going to the polls and selecting their leaders by ballot. Leaders that are beholden to them as representatives in government accountable to them as voters. That's a democratic feature of your government.

And pointing out how you're being irrational isn't attacking your freedom of speech. At all. You're free to be irrational all you want. It's a conservative idea that criticism of what people say is an attack on free speech. Well, you can't defend free speech and in the same breath denounce criticism. Either you support free speech or you don't. You can't pick and choose what one is free to say, this includes criticism of irrational thought. Sometimes it's difficult to accept the truth if it challenges your ideologies. Such is life.

And what the hell is "God bless America/Israel/Japan and Superior Western Civilization"? Superior Western Civilization sounds mighty jingoistic. Are you one of those supporters of the idea of American exceptionalism? Well, here's a news flash: American exceptionalism is a fantasy. In a highly globalized world, such an idea is old and regressive. America can no longer be exceptional when you have the likes of China and the other BRIC nations, in addition to the EU, playing a progressively larger role in the global geopolitical stage. American exceptionalism is a outmoded, 20th century, conservative dream. Get over it. Wake up. By the time you do, China with be the world's largest and most influential economic power. It's not a matter of "if"; it's a matter of "when."

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but in the end the Tea Party the real conservatives will defeated the liberal democrats/muslims and socialist.

But what if they don't? This is, in part, the issue of this thread. Do you mean "defeat" as in defeat at the polls? What if Obama is re-elected? Will Tea Partiers simply roll with that until the next election? Or do you mean "defeat" in another way? (Because I don't know how Tea Partiers will defeat Muslims or socialists at the polls.)

The_Jazz · 04-16-2011, 05:13 PM

longliveusa, we have a rule against trolling here. That means that if you posting just to get a rise out of folks, we don't allow it. It wasn't until that last post that it even crept into my mind, but it really looks like you're just trying to get some sort of reaction, because you really aren't putting any thought into your posts (at least in an obvious way), and it now appears that you're simply trying to start a flame war.

When you behave irrationally, we're allowed to point that out. Your posts ignore fact and appear irrational. I've actually got the power (as does Baraka Guru) to remove your freedom of speech from this site with ZERO repercussions to either of us or the site in general. That we haven't pretty much proves that no one has "attacked" your freedom of speech. You're just using that freedom to post what appears to be either nonsense, trolling or spittle-flinging rants.

Actually, I like Baraka's reponse a lot better than this one, but I guess someone's got to point out that there are limits to your freedom of speech here. Start spamming us or flaming folks, and you'll find that no website is beholden to the freedom of speech so long as it isn't a .gov.

EventHorizon · 04-16-2011, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Baraka_Guru

Sorry, did I mispunctuate?

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Originally Posted by Baraka_Guru

It's not a matter of "if"; it's a matter of "when."

Woah woah woah... slow your roll son (or older version of that phrase). considering china's declining female population, i give it 20 years or so until their population hits a huge roadblock in terms of having enough women to maintain their numbers at which point they'll have Detroit syndrome with enough places to work, but not enough people to fully occupy the potential Economy Death Star

Baraka_Guru · 04-16-2011, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by EventHorizon

Woah woah woah... slow your roll son (or older version of that phrase). considering china's declining female population, i give it 20 years or so until their population hits a huge roadblock in terms of having enough women to maintain their numbers at which point they'll have Detroit syndrome with enough places to work, but not enough people to fully occupy the potential Economy Death Star

Um...in 20 years, China will likely be the number one economy. Regardless, I sincerely doubt they are going to have a population problem (i.e. growth problem) within that time frame. With respect to population and economics, 20 years is "around the corner," not "down the road."

EventHorizon · 04-16-2011, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Baraka_Guru

Um...in 20 years, China will likely be the number one economy. Regardless, I sincerely doubt they are going to have a population problem (i.e. growth problem) within that time frame. With respect to population and economics, 20 years is "around the corner," not "down the road."

i'll start my argument in a different thread. i dont want to threadjack this amazing specimen of free speech squashing mixed with facist, racist, marxist, sierra mist treasure trove of intellectual discourse

Bonkai · 04-17-2011, 01:01 AM

Guru & Jazz, I appalled your energy, shame it won't do any good in this argument. Some people just have their own world of logic, which they don't care to change :/

04-16-2011, 08:21 AM	#250 (permalink)
Tully Mars Living in a Warmer Insanity Super Moderator Location: Yucatan, Mexico	So you think Mormons or "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" doesn't believe in Jesus Christ? __________________ I used to drink to drown my sorrows, but the damned things have learned how to swim- Frida Kahlo Vice President Starkizzer Fan Club

04-16-2011, 08:38 AM	#252 (permalink)
Tully Mars Living in a Warmer Insanity Super Moderator Location: Yucatan, Mexico	What's the point of posting a quote of someone's post? If you have something to add then do so, if you don't then there's little point of making such a post. __________________ I used to drink to drown my sorrows, but the damned things have learned how to swim- Frida Kahlo Vice President Starkizzer Fan Club

04-16-2011, 09:04 AM	#254 (permalink)
Tully Mars Living in a Warmer Insanity Super Moderator Location: Yucatan, Mexico	No. LDS do in fact believe and worship Jesus. The fact that they believe in the teachings of John Smith or anyone else does not prove they do not believe in Christ. That's like saying Catholic don't believe in Jesus because they believe in the Pope. __________________ I used to drink to drown my sorrows, but the damned things have learned how to swim- Frida Kahlo Vice President Starkizzer Fan Club Last edited by Tully Mars; 04-16-2011 at 12:59 PM..

04-16-2011, 01:48 PM	#266 (permalink)
The_Jazz Asshole Administrator Location: Chicago	Christians don't rape women? Oh, that's right, Catholic priests only rape little kids. Gotcha. Oh wait, I don't have an axe to grind against the Catholics. Scratch that - evangelical preachers are just deeply closeted homosexuals that like to get it on with male prostitutes. Scratch that too - I don't have an axe to grind against homosexuals either. Here we go - evangelical preachers only rape their office assistants who later go on to pose in Playboy. Google "devil's night detroit" and count the Christians holding matches. Hasan is obviously mentally ill. If you bothered to read the Army's report (which you clearly haven't), that's what the top brass got flayed over - failing to realize that they had a mentally ill guy on their hands that was becomig radicalized. And exactly how should Obama "avenge" those deaths? Bomb Germany? We tried that already. You'd just bitch about the Marshall Plan afterwards, though. The Militias didn't free the US from England. You missed your history classes. It was called the Continental Army and they were a professional fighting force made up of former militiamen. __________________ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - B. Franklin "There ought to be limits to freedom." - George W. Bush "We have met the enemy and he is us." - Pogo

04-16-2011, 02:03 PM	#267 (permalink)
Tully Mars Living in a Warmer Insanity Super Moderator Location: Yucatan, Mexico	Must you keep posting facts here? It's much more comical in this thread without them. __________________ I used to drink to drown my sorrows, but the damned things have learned how to swim- Frida Kahlo Vice President Starkizzer Fan Club

04-16-2011, 12:26 AM	#241 (permalink)
citadel Crazy Location: Yonder	I'm equally amused by the people who've never touched violence who freak out about guns and the Republican stereotype on steroids.

04-16-2011, 08:12 AM	#248 (permalink)
longliveusa Upright Location: America	you still have not shown any time Christians have beheaded people for mocking Jesus and the bible. Mormans are not Christian they worship Idols not Jesus. Exercising free speech does not cause riots. that is just some lame attempt to stifle dissent. Americans have every right to burn the quran and if you do not like it then go where women are buried up to their necks and stoned to death. this idea that if Americans give up our freedoms islam will just leave us along is the dumbest idea i have every heard. i would burn a quran in your face and you could not do a damn thing about.

04-16-2011, 09:00 AM	#253 (permalink)
longliveusa Upright Location: America	You might research the Crusades and the Inquisition. You might find out Christians were not such nice people after all. the crusades were in response to the aggression of Islam. Mormons believe in John Smith not Jesus Christ

04-16-2011, 10:33 AM	#259 (permalink)
longliveusa Upright Location: America	you can burn all the bibles you want you can burn the American flag if you want and nobody will be beheaded. No Christians will fly planes into the muslim twin towers. I hate nobody and you claiming i does not change that fact burning the quran is about protesting the treatment of Women/Minorities under islam and muslim countries.

04-16-2011, 11:59 AM	#262 (permalink)
longliveusa Upright Location: America	What the fuck does a Dutch politician who's a closet Zionist have to do with anything? Geert Widers is a Liberal Democrat. you keep proving my point for me why Americans will continue to burn the quran weather you democrats like it or not. Here's your peacehful Islam PAKISTAN Punjab, Muslims attack a Christian village - Asia News UZBEKISTAN Tashkent, punishes those who lend or gift Bibles to children - Asia News Illinois girl who ran from arranged marriage could become victim of honour killing \| Mail Online Rebels kill woman candidate in India Kashmir polls - Times LIVE Russia: Moscow Patriarchate Official Says Muslim Crescents Could Be Put On Coats Of Arms In Muslim Regions Eurasia Review

04-16-2011, 01:23 PM	#265 (permalink)
longliveusa Upright Location: America	More lies to cover up for Radical Islam and socialism you cant even prove what you say. As Christians do not rape women. Islam counts women 5th class citizens and in muslim countries it takes the testimony of 2 Males to prove rape. No Christians i know of burn cities before Halloween. Can you tell me why Nadal Hasan the Muslim who shouted allah ak bar and gunned down 14 American troops at fort Hood is still alive and getting Tax payer dollars and why has obama not avenged the death of 2 USAF personal gunned down by a German Muslim who shouted allah akbar after watching a Antiwar movie made by a liberal which slanders us troops like the democrat leader Murtha who said US marines raped girls in Iraq the Militias are the ones who freed America from England the kkk is not considered a Militia. Rugged Individualist made America great not socialism. the American president is elected by the electoral college. their is no such thing as the right wing that is a racist slanderous term cooked up by Hillary Clinton to silence dissent during bill Clinton term. America is not a democracy America is a Constitutional Republic. a democracy is 2 wolves fighting over one lamb a republic is a well armed lamb contesting the vote

04-16-2011, 02:18 PM	#268 (permalink)
Almirschuch Banned	I don't know if "statist" is the right term for the antithesis of individualist in this context. I'd be more comfortable with something a bit more general, like collectivist.

04-16-2011, 04:15 PM	#270 (permalink)
longliveusa Upright Location: America	Militias Did Free America from the king of England, Obama is not my president i do not have to respect him i my respect is for the office not obama. Hasan was not mentally ill he was a part of a Muslim terrorist command group whos mission was to commit acts of terrorist in the name of Islam. He Shouted Allah Akbar and Mowed down 14 American Patriots who Western Superior Civilization. Hassan Is worshiped as a hero by Islam. the Muslim in Germany killed 2 USAF personal after watching a liberal antiwar film which slandered Us troops. Catholic Priest that molested kids should be in jail they are not Christians. devils night was not committed by any Christians i know. Obama is not respecting the constitution why should respect him??? Obama has backed gun control all of his life. Obama wanted to keep the racist sexist fascist Clinton gun ban in place. Obama and holder back gun registration which is illegal and unconstitutional. Obama surrendered to Russia and give them everything they wanted and rushed the new start arms treaty through during a lame duck session which has never been done before with the Russians not giving anything at all. Also Russia now has a say in how America deploys any anti missile defenses. Obama has betrayed our only real friend in the Mideast aka Israel. America is a Constitutional Republic not a democracy run by mob rule where the government is my servant or that is how its supposed to be. their is no such thing as the right wing. that myth was started during the clintion admin by hillary clintion. Militias are here to stay and there is not a damn thing you can do to stop them. If you do not back Militias then you do not back the 2nd Amendment which is treason!!!!!

04-16-2011, 04:46 PM	#274 (permalink)
longliveusa Upright Location: America	democracy is mob rule which has no place in a free country. Calling me irrational is just a way of attacking my freedom of speech. you are no conservative you are a liberal democrat. but in the end the Tea Party the real conservatives will defeated the liberal democrats/muslims and socialist. God bless America/Israel/Japan and Superior Western Civilization.

04-16-2011, 05:13 PM	#276 (permalink)
The_Jazz Asshole Administrator Location: Chicago	longliveusa, we have a rule against trolling here. That means that if you posting just to get a rise out of folks, we don't allow it. It wasn't until that last post that it even crept into my mind, but it really looks like you're just trying to get some sort of reaction, because you really aren't putting any thought into your posts (at least in an obvious way), and it now appears that you're simply trying to start a flame war. When you behave irrationally, we're allowed to point that out. Your posts ignore fact and appear irrational. I've actually got the power (as does Baraka Guru) to remove your freedom of speech from this site with ZERO repercussions to either of us or the site in general. That we haven't pretty much proves that no one has "attacked" your freedom of speech. You're just using that freedom to post what appears to be either nonsense, trolling or spittle-flinging rants. Actually, I like Baraka's reponse a lot better than this one, but I guess someone's got to point out that there are limits to your freedom of speech here. Start spamming us or flaming folks, and you'll find that no website is beholden to the freedom of speech so long as it isn't a .gov. __________________ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - B. Franklin "There ought to be limits to freedom." - George W. Bush "We have met the enemy and he is us." - Pogo

04-17-2011, 01:01 AM	#280 (permalink)
Bonkai Tilted Location: Houston,Tx	Guru & Jazz, I appalled your energy, shame it won't do any good in this argument. Some people just have their own world of logic, which they don't care to change :/