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ottopilot · 10-19-2007, 02:24 PM

I ran across this while doing some research. It's kind of creepy how much of the "manifesto" has come to pass (and possibly on the not-too-distant horizon). It's a very interesting historical insight...almost bordering on paranoia.

Please give it a read and share your impressions.
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This is a quote from a book discription by a former FBI agent Cleon Skoussen:
"In 1958, Cleon Skoussen, former FBI agent, revealed in his book, THE NAKED COMMUNIST, the long term goals of the communist agenda. This information is also contained not only in the Congressional Record (August 1963), but also in the Communist Manifesto itself."

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Congressional Record--Appendix, pp. A34-A35
January 10, 1963

Current Communist Goals

EXTENSION OF REMARKS OF HON. A. S. HERLONG, JR. OF FLORIDA

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

Thursday, January 10, 1963

Mr. HERLONG. Mr. Speaker, Mrs. Patricia Nordman of De Land, Fla., is an ardent and articulate opponent of communism, and until recently published the De Land Courier, which she dedicated to the purpose of alerting the public to the dangers of communism in America.

At Mrs. Nordman's request, I include in the RECORD, under unanimous consent, the following "Current Communist Goals," which she identifies as an excerpt from "The Naked Communist," by Cleon Skousen:

[From "The Naked Communist," by Cleon Skousen]

CURRENT COMMUNIST GOALS

US acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.
US willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.
Develop the illusion that total disarmament by the US would be a demonstration of "moral strength."
Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.
Extension of long term loans to Russia and Soviet Satellites.
Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination.
Grant recognition of Red China, and admission of Red China to the UN.
Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev's promise in 1955 to settle the Germany question by free elections under supervision of the UN.
Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the US has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress.
Allow all Soviet Satellites individual representation in the UN.
Promote the UN as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one world government with its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the world can be taken over as easily by the UN as by Moscow. Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo).
Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party.
Do away with loyalty oaths.
Continue giving Russia access to the US Patent Office.
Capture one or both of the political parties in the US.
Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions, by claiming their activities violate civil rights.
Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for Socialism, and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers associations. Put the party line in text books.
Gain control of all student newspapers.
Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.
Infiltrate the press. Get control of book review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.
Gain control of key positions in radio, TV & motion pictures.
Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all form of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings," substitute shapeless, awkward, and meaningless forms.
Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."
Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.
Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography, and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio and TV.
Present homosexuality, degeneracy, and promiscuity as "normal, natural, and healthy."
Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a "religious crutch."
Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the grounds that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."
Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.
Discredit the American founding fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man".
Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of "the big picture": Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.
Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture - - education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.
Eliminate all laws or procedures, which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.
Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.
Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI.
Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.
Infiltrate and gain control of big business.
Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand or treat.
Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.
Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.
Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.
Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special interest groups should rise up and make a "united force" to solve economic, political, or social problems.
Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.
Internationalize the Panama Canal.
Repeal the Connally Reservation so the US can not prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction over nations and individuals alike.

Willravel · 10-19-2007, 02:45 PM

Not sure why people are afraid of communism. On paper, it's really quite brilliant. Corrupt people exist in every form of government.

The_Jazz · 10-19-2007, 03:51 PM

Ummm, wow, anti-communist propaganda in the Congressional record?

That's all this is - anti-communist propaganda, and very Soviet-centric at that.

Remove all the referrences to the specifics of the Soviet Union, which failed by the way, and this is a very boring document.

I really don't see anything to discuss here. The parts that came to pass came about after the fall, which I can't really imagine was planned.

Ustwo · 10-19-2007, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by willravel

Not sure why people are afraid of communism. On paper, it's really quite brilliant. Corrupt people exist in every form of government.

Some of us don't like government committing genocide on their own people. It makes us 'uneasy'.

But hey if genocide floats your boat, well who am I to say you are wrong.

Willravel · 10-19-2007, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Ustwo

Some of us don't like government committing genocide on their own people. It makes us 'uneasy'.

But hey if genocide floats your boat, well who am I to say you are wrong.

Where are all of those millions upon millions of Native Americans in our democratic USA? I mean by my understanding even the most conservative, revisionist estimates of the American population before the European's followed Columbus was 12,000,000. Now? Maybe 237,000.

Any form of government, including but hardly limited to a communist government, can be very good or very bad. It's naive to think that because a communist country has done horrible things means that with communism comes those horrible things. But, if you want to fear a system of government, all the reasonable explanations in the world can't change that. I just hope you know that you're following along the lines of McCarthy.

Ustwo · 10-19-2007, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by willravel

Where are all of those millions upon millions of Native Americans in our democratic USA? I mean by my understanding even the most conservative, revisionist estimates of the American population before the European's followed Columbus was 12,000,000. Now? Maybe 237,000.

Any form of government, including but hardly limited to a communist government, can be very good or very bad. It's naive to think that because a communist country has done horrible things means that with communism comes those horrible things. But, if you want to fear a system of government, all the reasonable explanations in the world can't change that. I just hope you know that you're following along the lines of McCarthy.

Actually Will you miss the point.

I won't even argue the 12 million number, I'll give it to you as is.

That was one period starvation in China alone THIS century.

The problem with communism is that it does it TO ITS OWN PEOPLE. If you take everyone killed by democracies they are a pittance to what communist government were doing to their own. The very concept of cultural revolution is violence against ones own people.

Some of us would rather not be killed by our own government, its not 'our thing'.

Plan9 · 10-19-2007, 06:45 PM

"Communism loves the cock." - SFC A. Partridge

roachboy · 10-19-2007, 08:58 PM

i think i have a book somewhere by the kind of guy who came up with that document of the objectives of the international communist movement. it had a picture of the statue of liberty on the cover and it was run through by a sword and she was bleeding red blood you see and the title was "THE FAR LEFT." if i remember, this gentleman was particularly concerned about the beatles, whom he saw as emissaries of the forces of evil. well the beatles and all the "jew commies" on the ny times. that sort of thing.

on the other hand, these are my personal objectives as well:

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# Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all form of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings," substitute shapeless, awkward, and meaningless forms.

# Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."

so i am unreliable.

Ustwo · 10-19-2007, 09:35 PM

So apparently the moral of the story is commies have bad taste in art.

mixedmedia · 10-19-2007, 09:39 PM

heh. Deland is just about 15 minutes away from me. It's very quaint. Just like this document.

DaveOrion · 10-21-2007, 04:53 PM

Hey, I lived in Deland, very nice place. I never met any commies or McCarthy freaks....but I did burn a fatty with a zeta reticulin.

Lokus · 10-24-2007, 09:36 PM

Why is it any worse to kill your own people rather than others? Many of those lost in Russia and China was through incompetence rather than malice. Obviously the secret police and riots and such caused a lot of losses but Stalin's 5 year plans were meant to improve the country as a whole as was Mao's Great Leap Forward.

Compare that to deliberately infecting a people with infectious diseases to which they had no immunity, tricking, lying and stealing land whenever they could and eventually forcing them off their homeland to live on small reservations on land "real" Americans didn't want. Also 12 million is quite a bit back in the day. Consider the total population of Russia and China versus the number of deaths whereas the Native American population was reduced by more than 90%.

Anyway, communism isn't inherently evil, there are no real communist countries today. It's an ambitious and optimistic form of government that wouldn't work on a large scale. The closest you get are the kibutzim in Israel and in modern times are much less communal and self sufficient than before. Labeling your country as communist just makes it easier for dictators to control the state more effectively rather than a capitalist republic. Communism is very appealing to the poor and working classes which is why it's initially supported then becomes a socialist dictatorship.

Ustwo · 10-25-2007, 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Lokus

Why is it any worse to kill your own people rather than others? Many of those lost in Russia and China was through incompetence rather than malice. Obviously the secret police and riots and such caused a lot of losses but Stalin's 5 year plans were meant to improve the country as a whole as was Mao's Great Leap Forward.

External conflicts vrs internal oppression. Organized famines killing millions of people who get in the way of the political ruling parties goals vrs a rather haphazard expansion into mostly virgin territory with people deemed primitive savages by the morals and thought of the day.

When the closest comparison to your rule is Hitler and you surpass his number, you got issues. Do you think the Nazi's didn't think they were improving their country as a whole?

And no this thread isn't Goodwin'ed as when you speak of genocide we only have a few real examples of organized genocide in the 20th century. They don't include Western democracies.

roachboy · 10-25-2007, 07:25 AM

i really dont understand your point, ustwo.
and i am not sure a paranoia thread is the best place for a debate about it.
but anyway--->
so the american extermination of the native american population is not an example of genocide why exactly?
because the "morals and thought of the day" made of it an acceptable campaign?
what genocide is possible without the collusion of the "morals and thought of the day" exactly?
remember what i am sure you'd prefer to forget: the american policies toward the native americans were an inspiration for the ottoman campaign against the armenians, for the nazi campaigns against political opposition, "social deviance" and, later, against the jews.
remember as well that a condition of possibility for genocide is the neutralization of ethical problems that should attend extermination of a population.
if you think that western democracies are not capable of such ethical neutralization, you are kidding yourself.

and there is no apologia for stalinism implied by the above.

if you want to simply issue one-dimensional condemnations of the actions of political regimes that you disapprove of on other grounds, then fine: but the waters in which you play are shallow. if you want to try to understand how such actions as genocide are possible, then it makes little sense to start off by exempting your own context from any possible involvement in such an action, particularly when it is obvious that the united states is as it is BECAUSE of such an action.

ottopilot · 10-26-2007, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by DaveMatrix

Hey, I lived in Deland, very nice place. I never met any commies or McCarthy freaks....but I did burn a fatty with a zeta reticulin.

Driving through Deland always felt like we were entering an old black and white Twilight Zone. Lost in some 50's time warp... cool little town.

Is the old Hotel Putnam still there? When my band would pass through Florida, we'd always play the Putnam. The place was old and very creepy... staying there was interesting. The staff said it was haunted and the whole top floor was empty. We'd sneak up there at night with flashlights, refreshments, and get really spooked.

DaveOrion · 10-26-2007, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ottopilot

Driving through Deland always felt like we were entering an old black and white Twilight Zone. Lost in some 50's time warp... cool little town.

Is the old Hotel Putnam still there? When my band would pass through Florida, we'd always play the Putnam. The place was old and very creepy... staying there was interesting. The staff said it was haunted and the whole top floor was empty. We'd sneak up there at night with flashlights, refreshments, and get really spooked.

I only lived there a couple years before I joined the army back in 81. I remember stetson university & all the hot young women but I don't specifically recall the putnam. Sorry much of that time was a blur, I was young, living in FL, surrounded by a flood of drugs in the early 80's with plenty of lovely ladies to share them with.......

I did go back to see my parents on occasion, they owned Noah's Ark Boarding Kennels in Deland.....

10-19-2007, 03:51 PM	#3 (permalink)
The_Jazz Asshole Administrator Location: Chicago	Ummm, wow, anti-communist propaganda in the Congressional record? That's all this is - anti-communist propaganda, and very Soviet-centric at that. Remove all the referrences to the specifics of the Soviet Union, which failed by the way, and this is a very boring document. I really don't see anything to discuss here. The parts that came to pass came about after the fall, which I can't really imagine was planned. __________________ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - B. Franklin "There ought to be limits to freedom." - George W. Bush "We have met the enemy and he is us." - Pogo

10-19-2007, 06:45 PM	#7 (permalink)
Plan9 I Confess a Shiver	"Communism loves the cock." - SFC A. Partridge __________________ *Whatever you can carry.* "You should not drink... and bake."

10-19-2007, 09:35 PM	#9 (permalink)
Ustwo Pissing in the cornflakes	So apparently the moral of the story is commies have bad taste in art. __________________ Agents of the enemies who hold office in our own government, who attempt to eliminate our "freedoms" and our "right to know" are posting among us, I fear.....on this very forum. - host Obama - Know a Man by the friends he keeps.

10-19-2007, 09:39 PM	#10 (permalink)
mixedmedia has all her shots. Location: Florida	heh. Deland is just about 15 minutes away from me. It's very quaint. Just like this document. __________________ Most people go through life dreading they'll have a traumatic experience. Freaks were born with their trauma. They've already passed their test in life. They're aristocrats. - Diane Arbus PESSIMISM, n. A philosophy forced upon the convictions of the observer by the disheartening prevalence of the optimist with his scarecrow hope and his unsightly smile. - Ambrose Bierce

10-21-2007, 04:53 PM	#11 (permalink)
DaveOrion Playing With Fire Location: Disaster Area	Hey, I lived in Deland, very nice place. I never met any commies or McCarthy freaks....but I did burn a fatty with a zeta reticulin. __________________ *Syriana*...have you ever tried liquid MDMA?....Liquid MDMA? No....Arash, when you wanna do this?.....After prayer...

10-19-2007, 02:45 PM	#2 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	Not sure why people are afraid of communism. On paper, it's really quite brilliant. Corrupt people exist in every form of government.

10-24-2007, 09:36 PM	#12 (permalink)
Lokus I can't think of a good title Location: East Bay Area, CA	Why is it any worse to kill your own people rather than others? Many of those lost in Russia and China was through incompetence rather than malice. Obviously the secret police and riots and such caused a lot of losses but Stalin's 5 year plans were meant to improve the country as a whole as was Mao's Great Leap Forward. Compare that to deliberately infecting a people with infectious diseases to which they had no immunity, tricking, lying and stealing land whenever they could and eventually forcing them off their homeland to live on small reservations on land "real" Americans didn't want. Also 12 million is quite a bit back in the day. Consider the total population of Russia and China versus the number of deaths whereas the Native American population was reduced by more than 90%. Anyway, communism isn't inherently evil, there are no real communist countries today. It's an ambitious and optimistic form of government that wouldn't work on a large scale. The closest you get are the kibutzim in Israel and in modern times are much less communal and self sufficient than before. Labeling your country as communist just makes it easier for dictators to control the state more effectively rather than a capitalist republic. Communism is very appealing to the poor and working classes which is why it's initially supported then becomes a socialist dictatorship. __________________ The black wind howls...

10-25-2007, 07:25 AM	#14 (permalink)
roachboy Super Moderator Location: essex ma	i really dont understand your point, ustwo. and i am not sure a paranoia thread is the best place for a debate about it. but anyway---> so the american extermination of the native american population is not an example of genocide why exactly? because the "morals and thought of the day" made of it an acceptable campaign? what genocide is possible without the collusion of the "morals and thought of the day" exactly? remember what i am sure you'd prefer to forget: the american policies toward the native americans were an inspiration for the ottoman campaign against the armenians, for the nazi campaigns against political opposition, "social deviance" and, later, against the jews. remember as well that a condition of possibility for genocide is the neutralization of ethical problems that should attend extermination of a population. if you think that western democracies are not capable of such ethical neutralization, you are kidding yourself. and there is no apologia for stalinism implied by the above. if you want to simply issue one-dimensional condemnations of the actions of political regimes that you disapprove of on other grounds, then fine: but the waters in which you play are shallow. if you want to try to understand how such actions as genocide are possible, then it makes little sense to start off by exempting your own context from any possible involvement in such an action, particularly when it is obvious that the united states is as it is BECAUSE of such an action. __________________ a gramophone its corrugated trumpet silver handle spinning dog. such faithfulness it hear it make you sick. -kamau brathwaite