ericdubay

Does Anyone Doubt There's a New World Order / Illuminati Conspiracy?

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George W. Bush told us after September 11th that we “mustn’t tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories.” Anxious to be intolerant of something new, I thought I’d look into these outrageous claims. FOX News even suggested taking some time to peruse the internet’s fine “cess-pool of conspiracy theories,” so that’s what I did. However, what I found was a vast library of factual information following the movements of a very real conspiracy. The conspiracy is for world governance under the United Nations. The conspirators are a cabal of international bankers, businessmen, politicians, media personalities, Illuminati families, and secret society elites.

While this may surprise many and be simply unbelievable to others, that is because there has been a concerted effort, an info-war if you will, to keep the general population in willful ignorance regarding “outrageous conspiracy theories.” Branding this area of research as “theory” propagates it to the masses as unreliable and unimportant. However, just a tiny amount of investigation into subjects such as the JFK assassination, the Oklahoma City bombing, 9/11 or 7/7 show a massive amount of evidence against the “official” stories. I urge every one of you to perform your own research into the Illuminati and New World Order. Read the decades of thorough investigation into these subjects and learn why these “conspiracy nuts” are so adamant about their “outrageous theories.” You might just find out what all the buzz is about.

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"It was not my intention to doubt that the doctrines of the Illuminati had
not spread in the United States. On the contrary, no one is more fully
satisfied of this fact than I am."
-George Washington, 1782

"The world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by
those who are not behind the scenes."
-Benjamin Disraeli, 1844

"Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had men's views confided to me
privately. Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the Field of
commerce and manufacture, are afraid of something. They know that there is a
power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so
complete, so pervasive, that they better not speak above their breath when
they speak in condemnation of it."
-Woodrow Wilson, 1913

"I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great
industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of
credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our
activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the
worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments
in the civilized world. No longer a government by free opinion, no longer a
government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by
the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men."
-Woodrow Wilson, 1916

"From the days of Spartacus-Weishaupt to those of Karl Marx, to those of
Trotsky, Bela Kun, Rosa Luxembourg, and Emma Goldman, this world wide
conspiracy for the overthrow of civilization and for the reconstitution of
society on the basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence and
impossible equality, has been steadily growing. It played a definitely
recognizable role in the tragedy of the French Revolution. It has been the
mainspring of every subversive movement during the nineteenth century, and
now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworld of
the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by
the hair of their heads, and have become practically the undisputed masters
of that enormous empire."
-Winston Churchill, 1920

"The real menace of our Republic is the invisible government which like a
giant octopus sprawls its slimy legs over our cities, states and nation. At
the head is a small group of banking houses. This little coterie run our
government for their own selfish ends. It operates under cover of a
self-created screen, seizes our executive officers, legislative bodies,
schools, courts, newspapers and every agency created for the public
protection.”
-N.Y. Mayor, John Hylan, 1922

"The real truth of the matter is that a financial element in the large centers has owned the government since the days of Andrew Jackson"
-Franklin D. Roosevelt, 1933

"Today the path to total dictatorship in the United States can be laid by
strictly legal means, unseen and unheard by the Congress, the President, or
the people… outwardly we have a Constitutional government. We have operating
within our government and political system, another body representing
another form of government, a bureaucratic elite which believes our
Constitution is outmoded and is sure that it is the winning side. All the
strange developments in the foreign policy agreements may be traced to this
group who are going to make us over to suit their pleasure. This political
action group has its own local political support organizations, its own
pressure groups, its own vested interests, its foothold within our
government, and its own propaganda apparatus."
-Senator William Jenner, 1954

"The invisible Money Power is working to control and enslave mankind. It
financed Communism, Fascism, Marxism, Zionism, Socialism. All of these are
directed to making the United States a member of a World Government."
-American Mercury Magazine, 1957

"The most powerful clique in these (CFR) groups have one objective in
common: they want to bring about the surrender of the sovereignty and the
national independence of the U.S. They want to end national boundaries and
racial and ethnic loyalties supposedly to increase business and ensure world
peace. What they strive for would inevitably lead to dictatorship and loss
of freedoms by the people. The CFR was founded for "the purpose of promoting
disarmament and submergence of U.S. sovereignty and national independence
into an all-powerful one-world government."
-Harpers, July l958

"The very word "secrecy" is repugnant in a free and open society, and we are as a people, inherently and historically, oppossed to secret societies, secret oaths, and secret proceedings. For we are oppossed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence. It depends on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice. It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly effecient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific, and political operations. Its preparations are concealed, not published, its mistakes are buried, not headlined, its dissenters are silenced, not praised, no expendature is questioned, no secret is revealed... I am asking your help in the tremendous task of informing and alerting the American people.
-JFK, 1961

"The Trilateral Commission is intended to be the vehicle for multinational
consolidation of the commercial and banking interests by seizing control of
the political government of the United States. The Trilateral Commission
represents a skillful, coordinated effort to seize control and consolidate
the four centers of power political, monetary, intellectual and
ecclesiastical. What the Trilateral Commission intends is to create a
worldwide economic power superior to the political governments of the
nationstates involved. As managers and creators of the system ,they will
rule the future."
-U.S. Senator Barry Goldwater, l964

"The powers of financial capitalism had another far reaching aim, nothing
less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands
able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the
world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by
the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements,
arrived at in frequent private meetings and conferences. The apex of the
system was the Bank for International Settlements in Basle, Switzerland, a
private bank owned and controlled by the worlds' central banks which were
themselves private corporations. The growth of financial capitalism made
possible a centralization of world economic control and use of this power
for the direct benefit of financiers and the indirect injury of all other
economic groups."
-Professor Carroll Quigley, 1966

"The drive of the Rockefellers and their allies is to create a one-world
government combining supercapitalism and Communism under the same tent, all
under their control.... Do I mean conspiracy? Yes I do. I am convinced there
is such a plot, international in scope, generations old in planning, and
incredibly evil in intent."
-Congressman Larry P. McDonald, 1976, killed in the Korean Airlines 747 that
was shot down by the Soviets

"We are grateful to The Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine
and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and
respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have
been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been
subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But, the work
is now much more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world
government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world
bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in
past centuries."
-David Rockefeller, 1991 Trilateral Commission meeting

"George Bush has been surrounding himself with people who believe in
one-world government. They believe that the Soviet system and the American
system are converging. The vehicle to bring this about, is the United
Nations, the majority of whose 166 member states are socialist, atheist, and
anti-American."
-U.S. Ambassador David Funderburk, 1991

"It is the sacred principles enshrined in the United Nations charter to
which the American people will henceforth pledge their allegiance."
-George Bush, 1992

"[The New World Order] cannot happen without U.S. participation, as we are
the most significant single component. Yes, there will be a New World Order,
and it will force the United States to change it's perceptions."
-Henry Kissinger, 1994

"Some even believe we (Rockefeller family) are part of a secret cabal
working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my
family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around
the world to build a more integrated global political and economic
structure---one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty,
and I am proud of it."
-David Rockefeller, 2002 Autobiography

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Educate yourself and awaken the sheeple around you. World Governments have
been hijacked by a cabal of globalists bent on one world government, world
bank, world currency, world military, and a micro-chipped population under
the United Nations. These people have many fronts which you all MUST
RESEARCH including: the Bilderberg group, the Committee of 300, the
Trilateral Commission, the Bohemian Grove, the Council on Foreign Relations,
Skull and Bones Society, the Free Masons, the Council of 13, the Committee of 33, the Knights of Malta, the Illuminati, and the New World
Order.

Willravel

"Last edited by The_Jazz : 07-27-2007 at 05:24 AM."
What was edited?

Dilbert1234567

what is wrong with a one human race not separated by borders?

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The_Dunedan

The problem is that most of the world practices styles of government which are antithetical to free living. Kleptocracy, oligarchy, monarchy, socialism, communism and democracy are all incompatible with freedom and individual Rights. Given that far, far more people practice and support such governments than practice and support a Constitutional Republic, such would likely be imposed by force.

Likewise, many of the world's governments would simply regard the representational-democratic system of such a "new world order" as a simply splendid means by which to rob (ie tax) the nations of the Europe, the US, and parts of Asia into penury. If anyone doubts this, imagine South America and Africa voting as a bloc; even if China and India abstained, there would still be enough votes for the likes of Chavez or Mobutu to force highway-robbery taxation onto wealthier nations and blocs such as the US and EU.

Additionally, as the illustrative examples of the US and EU themselves show, the larger and wealthier and more complicated a Gov't is, the more inefficiant, bureaucratic, and oppressive it is. Free-speech laws are a classic example of this. Never forget that the nations of the world are ruled by the Bushes, Hitlers, Stalins, and Chavezes of the world.

ericdubay

I'm a new member so it won't let me post links but there's plenty on the web if you just type in the key words provided in the original post. Another great resource is my website which is at myspace (/sheeplerevolt). Here's a little blurb about the Bilderberg Group to jumpstart your research


The Bilderberg Group


The Bilderberg Group annualy conduct a super-secret conference, a meeting of about 130 of the most powerful world leaders in business, media and politics.

The club was created by Denis Healey, Joseph Retinger, David Rockefeller and former Nazi SS officer Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands. The invitation-only conference was started in 1954 and named for the Dutch hotel where the conference was first held. Those who attend promise not to reveal what was discussed, security is tight, and the press and public are barred. For the small minority of those aware of Bilderberg, the conference has been the subject of outrage and protest for many international world citizens and even religious groups who vehemently object to Bilderberg's disturbing New World Order agenda and influence.

Previous attendees and speakers at the conference have included Democrat and GOP stalwarts alike, such as outgoing World Bank chief Paul Wolfowitz, former U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, George H. W. Bush, and Bill and Hilary Clinton, only to name a few.

Last year, it was discovered the conference was held in Ottawa, and the Toronto Star reported that it had been able to obtain an unsigned press release saying that the 2006 group included David Rockefeller, Henry Kissinger, Queen Beatrix of Holland, New York Gov. George Pataki, media moguls, high-level officials from Spain and Greece, and the heads of Coca-Cola, Credit Suisse and the Royal Bank of Canada.

There is almost a complete Bilderberg blackout in the corporate owned and controlled U.S. media, as most of the powerful CEOs and media moguls are either sympathizers or members of Bilderberg themselves. Only 5 corporations own and control over 90% of the U.S. media, and they do an excellent job of keeping American citizens in the dark concerning the Bilderberg group and their globalist New World Order agenda. That explains why most Americans remain totally unaware that the club even exists.

Cynthetiq

we can't say, Jazz is an Illuminati member, probably, I think...

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Kadath

I know it's unfair, but the word 'sheeple' throws a cutoff switch in my listening circuit.

I honestly wonder if it matters if this true. Somebody else runs the world anyway, I am never going to have any impact on world events. All I can do is try to carve out a piece where I get bothered as infrequently as possible. Whether it's the Illuminati or just the rich and powerful that we can see, my job is just to avoid them.

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it's quiet in here

ericdubay

Don't scoff at what I'm posting folks, look into it yourself. Go to myspace and type /sheeplerevolt for much more info. And if you can't laugh at the term "sheeple" you're incredibly propagandized. Have you all looked into Bilderberg? Here's some info to start you off on the Bohemian Grove:

What is the Bohemian Grove? The Bohemian Grove is a 2700 acre redwood forest, located in Monte Rio, CA. It contains accommodation for 2000 people to "camp" in luxury. It is owned by the Bohemian Club.

What is the Bohemian Club? The Bohemian Club is a private. all male club, which is headquartered in the Bohemian building in San Francisco. It was formed in 1872 by men who sought shelter from the frontier culture (or lack of culture).

Who are the present members? The Club has evolved into an association of rich and powerful men, mostly of this country (there are similar organizations in other countries). Some artists are allowed to join (often at reduced rates), because of their social status and entertainment value. The membership list has included every Republican U.S. president (as well as some Democrats) since 1923, many cabinet officials, and director; & CEO's of large corporations, including major financial institutions.

What industries are represented among the members? Major military contractors, oil companies, banks (including the Federal Reserve), utilities (including nuclear power), and national media (broadcast and print) have high-ranking officials as club members or guests. Many members are, or have been, on the board of directors of several of these corporations. You should note that most of the above industries depend heavily on a relationship with government for their profitability.

The members stay in different camps at the Grove, which have varying status levels. Members & frequent guests of the most prestigious camp (Mandalay) include: Henry Kissinger, George Shultz, S. D. Bechtel, Jr., Thomas Watson Jr. (IBM), Phillip Hawley (B of A), William Casey (CIA). and Ralph Bailey (Dupont). George Bush resides in a less prestigious camp (Hillbillies) with A. W. Clausen (World Bank), Walter Cronkite, and William F. Buckley.

What activities take place at the grove? The grove is the site of a two week retreat every July (as well as other smaller get-togethers throughout the year). At these retreats, the members commune with nature in a truly original way. They drink heavily from morning through the night, bask in their freedom to urinate on the redwoods, and perform pagan rituals (including the "Cremation of Care", in which the members wearing red-hooded robes, cremate a coffin effigy of "Dull Care" at the base of a 40 foot owl altar). Some (20%) engage in homosexual activity (but few of them support gay rights or AIDS research). They watch (and participate in) plays and comedy shows in which women are portrayed by male actors. Although women are not allowed in the Grove, members often leave at night to enjoy the company of the many prostitutes who come from around the world for this event. Is any of this hard to believe? Employees of the Grove have said that no verbal description can accurately portray the bizarre behavior of the Grove's inhabitants.

Besides this type of merriment. the annual gathering serves as an informational clearing house for the elite. The most powerful men in the country do their "networking" here, despite the Grove's motto "weaving spiders come not here" (don't do business in the Grove). At these gatherings men representing the government, military-industrial, and financial sectors meet and make major policy decisions. The Manhattan project, which produced the first atomic bombs, was conceived at the Grove in 1942. Other decisions made at the Grove include who our presidential candidates will be. There are speeches, known as "Lakeside Talks", wherein high-ranking officials disseminate information which is not available to the public-at-large.

What's not right about this? When powerful people work together, they become even more powerful. The Grove membership is wealthy, and becoming more so, while the middle class is steadily becoming poorer. This close-knit group determines whether prices rise or fall (by their control of the banking system, money supply, and markets), and they make money whichever way markets fluctuate. They determine what our rights are and which laws have effect, by appointing judges. They decide who our highest officials shall be by consensus among themselves, and then selling candidates to us via the media which they own. Important issues and facts are omitted from discussion in the press, or slanted to suit their goals, but they are discussed frankly at the Grove. Is there true democracy when so much power is concentrated in so few hands? Is there any real difference between the public and private sectors when cabinet members come from the boardrooms of large corporations? Is the spending of billions on weapons, which are by consensus no longer needed, really the will of the people? Or is it the will of General Electric, General Dynamics, and the other weapons contractors represented at the Grove?

Kadath

"bask in their freedom to urinate on the redwoods" sounds pretty awesome. When I was at Muir Woods last it really chapped my ass that I wasn't free to urinate on the redwoods.

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The_Jazz

So let me get this straight - the proof you're offering is from your myspace page with no other supporting evidence? And you're not naming any members? Or directly quoting anyone who's been there?

Why do I care if someone gets laid? Why do I care if they piss in the woods? Why do I care if they get drunk? I don't know who they are.

In short, you've given us nothing besides conjecture and a slightly tedious, albeit titilating, story.

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"There ought to be limits to freedom." - George W. Bush
"We have met the enemy and he is us." - Pogo

ericdubay

[QUOTE=The_Jazz]So let me get this straight - the proof you're offering is from your myspace page with no other supporting evidence? And you're not naming any members? Or directly quoting anyone who's been there?
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Hey Jazz. No, the proof I'm offering comes from a variety of sources. The links to those however are on my page. At the moment I'm a new poster so Tilted won't allow me to post url's for links/documentaries etc. However all of that can be found on my myspace site. Members lists for most arms of the secret society network are there as well. You can google them yourself. You make it sound as though I'm fabricating this information because I've made it available on myspace.

Anyway, some noteable members of Bohemian Grove include:

Bill Clinton
Jimmy Carter
Ronald Reagan
Colin Powell
Henry Kissenger
Donald Rumsfeld
George Bush
George W. Bush
Richard Nixon
Newt Gingrich
Alan Greenspan
David Gergen
George Shultz
William Casey
William F. Buckley
Robert Novak
Prince Bandar Bin Abdul Aziz
Dwight D. Eisenhower
Dick Cheney
James Woolsey
Gerald Ford

samcol

Our supposed 'christian' politicians and executives being involved in satanic rituals is why people should care.

Nixon on Bohemian Grove

Cremation of Care

My favorite: David Gergen confrontation on Grove


'weaving spiders come not here'

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ericdubay

Here's a member list for Bilderberg. It's a who's who of political, banking, media and business elite:

• Margaret Thatcher(1975)[1], former Prime Minister of the United Kingdom
• Juan Carlos I, King of Spain
• Queen Sofia of Spain, wife of Juan Carlos I, King of Spain
• Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands[2]
• Bill Clinton (1991)[3], US President, 1993 - 2001
• Infanta Cristina, Duchess of Palma de Mallorca, younger daughter of Juan Carlos I, King of Spain
• Tony Blair (1993)[3], former Prime Minister of the United Kingdom
• Kostas Karamanlis (1998), current Prime Minister of Greece
• Angela Merkel (2005), current Chancellor of Germany
• Romano Prodi (Steering Committee Member of Bilderberg in the 1980s), current Italian Prime Minister and former President of the European Commission
• Jean Chrétien, Canadian Prime Minister, 1993 - 2003
• Paul Martin, Canadian Prime Minister, 2003 - 2006
• Stephen Harper (2003), Canadian Prime Minister, 2006 - Present
• Francisco Pinto Balsemao, former Prime Minister of Portugal, 1981 - 1983 and CEO of Impresa media group
• Carl XVI Gustaf of Sweden, King of Sweden
• Fredrik Reinfeldt, elected Prime Minister of Sweden, 2006 - Present
• Carl Bildt[2], former Swedish Prime Minister and current Minister for Foreign Affairs
• Davíð Oddsson, former Prime Minister of Iceland, 1991-2004
• Philippe, Duke of Brabant, Crown Prince of Belgium
• Dan Quayle (1990,1991), former US Vice President
• Walter F. Mondale, former US Vice President
• Nelson A. Rockefeller, former US Vice President, former Governor of New York
• Gerald R. Ford (1964,1966), former US President
• Gerhard Schröder, former Chancellor of Germany
• Helmut Kohl, former Chancellor of Germany
• Helmut Schmidt, former Chancellor of Germany
• Gro Harlem Brundtland, former Prime Minister of Norway
• Jens Stoltenberg, current Prime Minister of Norway
• Kåre Willoch, former Prime Minister of Norway
• Prince Philip (1965), Duke of Edinburgh
• Prince Charles (1986), Prince of Wales

Members of United States administrations

• Christian Herter (1961, 63, 64)[4], former Secretary of State
• Henry Kissinger (2004[5],2005,2006), Secretary of State, 1973 - 1977
• Richard Perle (2003), assistant Secretary of Defense, 1981 - 1987
• Donald Rumsfeld (1975,2002), Secretary of Defense, 2001 - 2006
• David L. Aaron, Deputy National Security Advisor
• Colin L. Powell (1997), former United States Secretary of State
• William J. Perry (1996), former United States Secretary of Defense
• Lloyd Bentsen (1989,1995,1996,1997), former United States Secretary of the Treasury
• Brent Scowcroft (1994), former National Security Advisor
• Nicholas F. Brady (1991), former United States Secretary of the Treasury
• Robert Zoellick (1991,2003,2006), former Deputy Secretary of State and proposed President of the World Bank
• Richard Holbrooke (1995,1996,1997,1998,1999,2004,2005,2006), former U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations
• James A. Baker, former United States Secretary of State, former United States Secretary of the Treasury
• Lawrence Summers (1998,2002), former United States Secretary of the Treasury

Heads of major corporations

• H. J. Heinz II (1954)[6], CEO of H. J. Heinz Company
• Josef Ackermann (2005), CEO of Deutsche Bank
• Lord Browne of Madingley (1997[2], 2004), Chief Executive BP
• Jorma Ollila (1997[2], 2005), Chairman of Royal Dutch Shell and Nokia Corporation
• Jürgen E. Schrempp (1997[2], 2005), CEO of DaimlerChrysler
• Peter Sutherland (1997[2], 2005), former Chairman of BP
• Martin Taylor (1997)[2], former CEO, Barclays
• Daniel Vasella (2005), Chairman and CEO of Novartis
• Percy Barnevik (1997[2], 2001), former CEO of ASEA
• Anders Björgerd (1973, 1982), former deputy CEO of Sydkraft AB
• Harald Norvik (2006), former CEO of Statoil
• Eivind Reiten , former CEO of Norsk Hydro
• Andrew Knight - Director of News Corporation, 1991-present, CEO of News International, 1900-1994, CEO and Editor-in-Chief The Daily Telegraph Group, Editor of The Economist, 1974-1984
UK cabinet ministers
• Gordon Brown, Chancellor of the Exchequer of the United Kingdom
• Kenneth Clarke, Chancellor of the Exchequer, 1993-1997; member of the Opposition 1998-1999, 2003-2004
• Denis Healey, Secretary of State for Defence 1963-1970, Chancellor of the Exchequer 1974-1979 (founder member)
Journalists
• Alexandre Adler, French conservative journalist (2003)
• Paul Gigot - Editor of the Editorial Page of The Wall Street Journal; 2003- Present
• Martin Wolf - Financial Times columnist
• Juan Luis Cebrián - Ex-director of El País Spanish journal, and delegated advisor of PRISA Group
• Will Hutton (1997)[3]
• Peter Jennings
• George Will (1981)
• Charlie Rose (2002)
• Fareed Zakaria (2002,2005)
• Andrea Mitchell (2002)
• Lesley Stahl (1997)
• Thomas L. Friedman (1995,2003)
• Bill D. Moyers (1971)
• Jim Hoagland (1993,1998,1999,2002)

EU Commissioners
European Union Commissioners who have attended include:

• Ritt Bjerregaard (1995)
• Frederik Bolkestein (2003)[7]
• Hans van den Broek (1995)
• Emma Bonino (1998)
• Leon Brittan (1998)
• Pascal Lamy (2003)[7]
• Mario Monti (1996,2003[7]) - former or present member of the Steering Committee
• Erkki Liikanen
• Pedro Solbes
• Günter Verheugen
• António Vitorino
• Romano Prodi - Steering Committee Member of Bilderberg in the 1980s
• Wim Duisenberg
• Lord Patten of Barnes
• Peter Mandelson (1999)
• Étienne Davignon, conference chairman in 2005
• Neelie Kroes (2005, 2006) - present Commissioner for Competition

UK civil servants

• Eric Roll (Steering committee)[8], Department of Economic Affairs, 1964

Military

• Terence Airey, Military Governor of Trieste

Other attendees

• Joseph E. Johnson (1954)[6], President, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.
• David Rockefeller, An original U.S. founding member, life member, and member of the Steering Committee (1954-);
• Zbigniew Brzezinski (Guest, 1972), President Carter's National Security Advisor;
• Gordon Richardson (1975)[9], Governor, Bank of England
• George W. Ball (1954-1992)[10], U.S. diplomat
• Lord Black of Crossharbour (1997)[2], Telegraph Chairman;
• William J McDonough (1997)[2], President, Federal Reserve Bank of New York;
• Sauli Niinistö (1997)[2], former Finnish Finance Minister, Speaker of eduskunta
• C. Fred Bergsten (1997)[2], President, Peterson Institute;
• Leif Pagrotsky (2001), Swedish Minister for Education, Research and Culture [1];
• Björn Bjarnason, in 1988 and 1991 as vice editor of Morgunblaðið, and in 1993 and 1995 as Icelandic minister of education;
• Guest at the 2003 Bilderberg Meeting included Carlos M. Collazo;
• Richard N. Haass (2004)[5], president, Council on Foreign Relations;
• Guests at the 2004 Bilderberg Meeting included John Edwards, James Wolfensohn, Melinda Gates, and Mario Draghi;
• Guests at the 2005 Bilderberg Meeting included Vernon Jordan and Mark Warner and may also have included, according to the Financial Times of May 2, Natan Sharansky and Bernard Kouchner;
• Guests at the 2006 Bilderberg Meeting included Vernon Jordan, George Pataki, Richard Perle, Dennis Ross, and prominent Canadians Paul Desmarais, Frank McKenna, Heather Reisman and Globe and Mail publisher Philip Crawley, Mahmood Sariolghalam (Iran National University), Siv Jensen, leader of Norwegian political party Fremskrittspartiet, Johann Olav Koss, and chairman of Scandinavian Airlines Egil Myklebust;
• Heather Munroe-Blum, Principal and Vice-Chancellor, McGill University, Montreal, Canada.
• George Osborne(2006)[11]- Shadow Chancellor of the Exchequer 2004-Present; member of the opposition 2001-Present
• Bill Bradley (1985), former US Senator
• Jay Rockefeller (1971), current US Senator
• L. Douglas Wilder (1991), former Governor of Virginia, current Mayor of Richmond, Virginia
• Bill Richardson (1999,2000), current Governor of New Mexico
• Christopher Dodd (1999,2000,2001), current US Senator
• Chuck Hagel (1999,2000,2001), current US Senator
• Evan Bayh (1999), current US Senator
• Kay Bailey Hutchison (2000,2002), current US Senator
• Hillary Clinton (1997), current US Senator
• Dianne Feinstein (1991), current US Senator
• Jon Corzine (1995,1996,1997[2],1999,2003,2004), current Governor of New Jersey
• James Florio (1994), former Governor of New Jersey
• Christine Todd Whitman (1998), former Governor of New Jersey
• Sam Nunn (1996,1997[2]), former US Senator
• Tom Foley (1995,2002), former Speaker of the US House of Representatives
• Lee H. Hamilton (1997)[2], former US Congressman
• George Stephanopoulos (1996,1997[2])
• William Kristol (1995)
• David Gergen (1995)
• William F. Buckley, Jr. (1975,1996)
• Mortimer Zuckerman (1994)
• James Kimsey (2006)
• George Soros (1994,1996,2000,2002)
• Dora Bakoyannis (2003), current Minister for Foreign Affairs (Greece), former Mayor of Athens
• Rupert Murdoch
• Javier Solana
• Paul Volcker (1997)[2], former Chairman of the Federal Reserve
• Alan Greenspan (2002), former Chairman of the Federal Reserve
• Siv Jensen (2006), Chairman Fremskrittspartiet, Norwegian neo-conservative party
• John G. Bernander , former head of the Norwegian national broadcaster NRK
• Paddy Ashdown (1989), former leader of the UK Liberal Democrats
• David Owen, former British Foreign Secretary
• Marcus Wallenberg, current Chairman of Skandinaviska Enskilda Banken, former CEO of Investor AB
• Jacob Wallenberg, current Chairman of Investor AB, former Chairman of Skandinaviska Enskilda Banken
• Jacob Rothschild, 4th Baron Rothschild
• Guy de Rothschild
• Sir Evelyn de Rothschild (1998)
• Emma Rothschild (1995)
• Lynn Forester de Rothschild (1998)
• Otto von Habsburg, Archduke and Crown Prince of Austria
• José Manuel Barroso, current President of the European Commission
• Alexander Haig, former United States Secretary of State
• Daniel Janssen
• Winston Lord, former United States Ambassador to China
• Donald E. Graham, Chairman of the Board of The Washington Post Company
• Dwayne Andreas, Chairman and CEO of Archer Daniels Midland
• Jaap de Hoop Scheffer, current Secretary General of NATO
• George Robertson, Baron Robertson of Port Ellen, former Secretary General of NATO
• Kurt Waldheim, former Secretary-General of the United Nations
• Franz Vranitzky, former Austrian Chancellor
• Alfred Gusenbauer, current Chancellor of Austria
• Siegmund Warburg, founder of S.G. Warburg & Co.
• Eric Warburg, founder of Warburg Pincus
• Robert S. McNamara, former US Secretary of Defense, former President of the World Bank
• Franz Josef Strauß, former Defense Minister of Germany
• Robert Rubin, former US Secretary of the Treasury
• Valéry Giscard d'Estaing, former President of the French Republic
• Rahmi Koç, Turkish business tycoon
• Louis V. Gerstner, former Chairman of IBM, current Chairman of The Carlyle Group
• Maurice R. Greenberg, former Chairman and CEO of American International Group
• Rodrigo de Rato, current IMF Managing Director
• Graham Allison
• Jacques Attali
• Jozias van Aartsen, former Dutch Minister of Foreign Affairs
• Maxime Verhagen, current Dutch Minister of Foreign Affairs
• Michael Dukakis (1988), former Governor of Massachusetts
• Michael Boskin (1991)
• Jacques Parizeau, former Premier of Quebec
• Lionel Jospin, former Prime Minister of France
• Dominique de Villepin (2003), Former Prime Minister of France
• Laurent Fabius, former Prime Minister of France
• Michel Rocard, former Prime Minister of France
• Dominique Strauss-Kahn
• E. Gerald Corrigan, former President of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, current Goldman Sachs Managing Director
• George J. Mitchell, former US Senator
• António Guterres, former Prime Minister of Portugal
• Garret FitzGerald, former Prime Minister of Ireland
• John Bruton, former Prime Minister of Ireland
• John Major, former Prime Minister of the United Kingdom
• Norman Lamont, former Chancellor of the Exchequer
• William Hague, former leader of the Conservative Party (UK), current Shadow Foreign Secretary
• Sir Malcolm Rifkind, former British Foreign Secretary
• Douglas Hurd, former British Foreign Secretary
• Cecil Parkinson, former Chairman of the Conservative Party
• Preston Manning
• Felipe Gonzalez, former Prime Minister of Spain
• Joaquín Almunia
• Jean-Claude Trichet, current President of the European Central Bank
• Alexandre Lamfalussy
• Mervyn A. King, current Governor of the Bank Of England
• Jacques de Larosière, former Governor of the Banque de France
• Kemal Derviş, current UNDP Administrator
• Ad Melkert, current UNDP Associate Administrator
• William J. Luti
• Timothy F. Geithner, current President of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York
• Rick Perry (2007), current Governor of Texas
• Jyrki Katainen (2007), current Finnish Minister of Finance
• Michael Barone (pundit) (2007)
• Lloyd Blankfein (2007), CEO of Goldman Sachs
• Eric E. Schmidt (2007), Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Google
• Kathleen Sebelius (2007), current Governor of Kansas
• Sidney Taurel (2007), Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Eli Lilly
• Vin Weber (2007)
• Josette Sheeran (2007), Executive Director of United Nations World Food Programme
• Kristen Silverberg (2007)
• Peter A. Thiel (2007), Co-Founder, PayPal
• Ross Wilson (ambassador) (2007), current United States Ambassador to Turkey
• Philip D. Zelikow (2007)
• Marc Grossman (2007)
• Esther Dyson (2007)
• Craig Mundie
• Tim Collins (financier)
• John Kerr, Baron Kerr of Kinlochard
• Richard Dearlove (2007), former head of MI6
• Jason Kenney (2007)
• Guido Westerwelle (2007), Leader of the Free Democratic Party of Germany
• Anders Borg (2007), current Minister for Finance of Sweden
• Frank Heemskerk (2007)
• Dermot Gleeson, Chairman of Allied Irish Banks
• Michael McDowell (2007)
• Michel Barnier (2007), former French Foreign Minister
• Paul Hermelin (2007), CEO of Capgemini
• Laurence Parisot (2007), Head of French MEDEF
• Christine Ockrent (2007)
• John Elkann
• Klaus Schwab
• Anna Diamantopoulou
• Georgios Alogoskoufis, current Minister for Economy and Finance (Greece)
• Mogens Lykketoft
• Idar Kreutzer (2007), CEO of Storebrand
• Klaus Kleinfeld, CEO of Siemens AG
• Hikmet Çetin (2007)
• Emre Gönensay (2007)
• Ali Babacan (2007)
• Süleyman Demirel, former Prime Minister of Turkey
• Bülent Ecevit, former Prime Minister of Turkey
• Adnan Menderes, former Prime Minister of Turkey

fastom

Everybody should be concerned when world leaders need to meet in secret or are part of secret societies. By doing so they are conspiring and the theory becomes fact.

We should be concerned Dubya attends what his predecessor calls the "faggiest goddamned place".

trickyy

i'm not sure why i'm supposed to believe speculation rooted in typical conspiracist fears ? and you are asking if anyone would so much as "doubt" these ideas ?

i am sure there's 60 geocities pages out there with all the "reasearch" i can handle. and it's strange that they would all say the same thing ... like a herd of sheep perhaps ?

ericdubay

To the gentleman above me: keep researching those geocities sites... you may find a reason why all the information lines up. Here's some Skull and Bones info:

Skull and Bones

As opposite as George Bush and John Kerry may seem to be, they do share a common secret - one they've shared for decades, and one they would not share with the electorate.

The secret: details of their membership in Skull and Bones, the elite Yale University society whose members include some of the most powerful men of the 20th century.

Only 15 seniors are picked each year by the former graduating class. They are required as a part of their initiation ceremony to lie naked in a coffin and recite their sexual history. This method allows other members to control the individual by threatening to reveal their innermost secrets if they do not "go-along".

George Bush's father as well as George Bush were and are members of Skull & Bones. A key figure in Skull & Bones was William Averall Harriman. Pamela Harriman supplied the funds to elect Bill Clinton to office. Harriman was THE major backer of the Democratic Party for over 50 years. Major players in Skull & Bones have been linked to the financing of both world wars and the creation of many think-tanks and Universities in this country. Bush's father was a major contributor to the "Hitler Project" as well as the build-up of the Soviet Union.

“I think Skull and Bones has had slightly more success than the mafia in the sense that the leaders of the five families are all doing 100 years in jail, and the leaders of the Skull and Bones families are doing four and eight years in the White House,” says Rosenbaum.

"Henry L. Stimson" (S&B 1888) was President Taft's secretary of war (1911-13), and President Herbert Hoover's secretary of state (1929-33). As secretary of war (1940-45), Stimson pressed President Truman to drop the atomic bomb on the Japanese.

Yale, Professor of History, Gaddis Smith, said, "Yale has influenced the Central Intelligence Agency more than any other university, giving the CIA the atmosphere of a class reunion." And "Bonesman" have been foremost among the "spooks", virtually building the CIA into a "haunted house."
F. Trubee Davison (Skull and Bones '18), was Director of Personnel at the CIA in the early years. Some of the other Bonesmen connected with the "intelligence community" are: William Sloane Coffin, Jr. ('49); V. Van Dine ('49); James Buckley ('44); Bill Buckley ('50); Hugh Cunnigham ('34); Hugh Wilson; Reuben Holden; Charles R. Walker; "Yale's unofficial Secretary of War," Robert D. French ('10); Archibald MacLiesh ('15); Dino Pionzio ('50), CIA Deptuy Chief of Station during Allende overthrow; William and McGeorge Bundy; Richard A. Moore ('3?); Senator David Boren ('63); Senator John Kerry; and of course George Bush. Bush "tapped" Coffin, who, tapped Buckley.

The Nation Magazine and New Republic on the "Left" were financed by Willard Straight, using Payne Whitney (Skull and Bones) Funds. The "National Review" on the "Right" was published by William F. Buckley a member.

A few other prominent Bonesmen are:
Henry Luce ('20), Time-Life; John Thomas Daniels, founder Archer Daniels Midland; Gifford Pinchot ('89); President Theodore Roosevelt's chief forester, Frederick E. Weyerhaeuser ('96); Harold Stanley ('08), founder Morgan Stanley, investment banker; Alfred Cowles ('13), Cowles Communication, Henry P. Davison ('20), senior partner Morgan Guaranty Trust; Thomas Cochran ('04) Morgan partner; Senator John Heinz; Pierre Jay ('92), first chairman of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York; George Herbert Walker, Jr. ('27), financier and co-founder of the NY Mets; Artemus Gates ('18), President of New York Trust Company, Union Pacific, TIME, Boeing Company; William Draper III, the Defense Department, UN and Import-Export Bank; Dean Witter, Jr., investment banker; Senator Jonathan Bingham; Potter Stewart ('36), Supreme Court Justice; Senator John Chaffe; Harry Payne Whitney ('94), married Gertrude Vanderbilt, investment banker; Russell W. Davenport ('23), editor Fortune Magazine, created Fortune 500 list; Evan G. Galbraith, Ambassador to France and Managing Director of Morgan Stanley; Judge John Steadman, the Court of Appeals in the District of Columbia; Richard Gow ('55), president Zapata Oil (George Bush's company); Amory Howe Bradford ('34), married Carol Warburg Rothschild and was general manager for the New York Times ; C. E. Lord ('49), Comptroller of the Currency; Winston Lord ('59), Chairman of CFR, Ambassador to China and a Clinton assistant Secretary of State; John Lilley, ambassador to China.


Members of Skull and Bones & Nazis in Union Banking Corp. : Directors in 1932

(A) E. Roland Harriman (1917) Vice President of W.A. Harriman and Co., N.Y.
(B) Knight Wooley (1917) Director of Guaranty Trust, N.Y. and Dir. of
the Federal Reserve Bank of N.Y.
(C) Ellery Sedgewick James (1917) Partner Brown Brothers and Co. N.Y.
(D) Prescott Sheldon Bush (1917) Partner Brown Bros, Harriman, Father of
Ex-President George Bush
(E) H.J. Kouwenhoven (Nazi) Nazi banker, managing partner of August
Thyssen Bank and Bank Voor Handel
Scheepvaart N.V. (The transfer bank for
Thyssen's funds)
(F) Johann Groninger (Nazi) Director of Bank Voor Handel en Scheepvaart
and Vereinigte Stahlwerke (Thyssen's Steel
operations)
The other two members were :
(G) J.L. Guinter Director of Union Banking Corp.
(H) Cornelius Lievense President, Union Banking Corp. and Director
of Holland American Investment Corp.

Established in 1924 as a unit of W.A. Harriman and Co. (A joint Walker, Thyssen, Harriman operation). The founding partners were George Herbert Walker, Co-founder & sponsor (Grandfather of George Herbert Walker Bush, Ex-President, on the Father's side. William Averill Harriman and Fritz Thyssen of the German Steel Trust. The office of Union Banking Corp. was the N.Y. office of the German Steel Trust.

ericdubay

Bush, Rockefeller, Kissenger, Schmidt, and many others openly talk about the New World Order. Those maintaining the agenda (which they refer to as "The Great Work") have even written books entitled The New World Order describing their plans for a world governance by elites. The latin translation off the dollar bill (added by 33rd degree free mason FDR) says "announcing the arrival of the New World Order."

Many uninformed people like yourself say there's not enough proof of the NWO and it's ridiculous. Take a look at those 60 geocities sites and maybe you'll learn why they all say the same thing. Go to my site www.myspace.com/sheeplerevolt and read "The History of the New World Order" and "The Secret Society Network." Watch the videos "Terrorstorm" and "Secrets of the Matrix."

You people are so brain-washed to be stubborn cynics that you can't suspend your propagated disbelief long enough to learn.

Here's some info on the Council on Foreign Relations and the North American Union:

The Council on Foreign Relations

Pat Robertson, in "The New World Order," states that Colonel House, along with other internationalists, realized that America would not join any scheme for world government without a change in public opinion. After a series of meetings, it was decided that an "Institute of International Affairs", with two branches, in the United States and England, would be formed.

The British branch became known as the Royal Institute of International Affairs, with leadership provided by members of the Round Table. Begun in the late 1800's by Cecil Rhodes, the Round Table aimed to federate the English speaking peoples of the world, and bring it under their rule.
The Council on Foreign Relations was incorporated as the American branch in New York on July 29, 1921. Founding members included Colonel House, and "...such potentates of international banking as J.P. Morgan, John D. Rockefeller, Paul Warburg, Otto Kahn, and Jacob Schiff...the same clique which had engineered the establishment of the Federal Reserve System," according to Gary Allen in the October 1972 issue of "AMERICAN OPINION."

The founding president of the CFR was John W. Davis, J.P. Morgan's personal attorney, while the vice-president was Paul Cravath, also representing the Morgan interests. Professor Carroll Quigley characterized the CFR as "...a front group for J.P. Morgan and Company in association with the very small American Round Table Group." Over time Morgan influence was lost to the Rockefellers, who found that one world government fit their philosophy of business well. As John D. Rockefeller, Sr. had said: "Competition is a sin," and global monopoly fit their needs as they grew internationally.

Seven American presidents have addressed the Council, two while still in office-- Bill Clinton and George W. Bush.

Journalist Charles Kraft, a member of both the CFR and its funded Trilateral Commission, said the Council "comes close to being an organ of what C. Wright Mills has called the Power Elite – a group of men, similar in interest and outlook, shaping events from invulnerable positions behind the scenes."

Frederic Delano, FDR's uncle, served on the original Federal Reserve Board. FDR attended Groton and Harvard, and in the 1920's worked on Wall Street, sitting on the board of directors of eleven different corporations.
Dall wrote of his father-in-law: "...Most of his thoughts, his political 'ammunition,'...were carefully manufactured for him in advance by the CFR-One World Money group. Brilliantly... he exploded that prepared 'ammunition' in the middle of an unsuspecting target, the American people--and thus paid off and retained his internationalist political support."
Taking America off the gold standard in 1934, FDR opened the way to unrestrained money supply expansion, decades of inflation--and credit revenues for banks. Raising gold prices from $20 an ounce to $35, FDR and Treasury Secretary Henry Morgenthau, Jr. (son of a founding CFR member), gave international bankers huge profits.

FDR's most remembered program, the New Deal, could only be financed through heavy borrowing. In effect, those who had caused the Depression loaned America the money to recover from it.

CFR candidates for president include George McGovern, Walter Mondale, Edmund Muskie, John Anderson, and Lloyd Bentsen. In 1976 we had Jimmy Carter, who is a member of the Trilateral Commission, created by David Rockefeller and CFR member Zbigniew Brzezinski with the goal of economic linkage between Japan, Europe, and the United States, and: "...managing the world economy...a smooth and peaceful evolution of the global system." We have also had (though his name strangely disappears from the membership list in 1979) CFR director (1977-79) George Bush, and last but not least, CFR member Bill Clinton.

They have all promoted the "New World Order," controlled by the United Nations. The problem is that "...the present United Nations organization is actually the creation of the CFR and is housed on land in Manhattan donated to it by the family of current CFR chairman David Rockefeller," as Pat Robertson describes it.

Admiral Chester Ward, a member of the CFR for over a decade, became one of its harshest critics, revealing its inner workings in a 1975 book, "Kissinger ON THE COUCH." In it he states "The most powerful cliques in these elitist groups have one objective in common: they want to bring about the surrender of the sovereignty and national independence of the United States."

Most members are one-world-government ideologists whose long- term goals were officially summed up in September 1961 State Department Document 7277, adopted by the Nixon Administration: "...elimination of all armed forces and armaments except those needed to maintain internal order within states and to furnish the United Nations with peace forces...by the time it (UN global government) would be so strong no nation could challenge it."
Within the CFR there exists a "much smaller group but more powerful...made up of Wall Street international bankers and their key agents. Primarily, they want the world banking monopoly from whatever power ends up in control of the global government ...This CFR faction is headed by the Rockefeller brothers," according to Ward.

There is much more to say about this group and their plans for America. Gary Allen, in "The Rockefeller File," states that they are behind the many regional government plans, which would abolish city, county, and state lines, leaving us at the mercy of federal bureaucrats; and behind the push for "land use" controls. They want "federal control of everything. Since they intend to control the federal government..."

CFR task force which was headed by professor Robert Pastor, head of North American Studies at American University, which produced a report called "Building a North American Community" on cooperation within North America.[42] Pastor authored a 2001 book, Towards a North American Community: Lessons from the Old World for the New. Plans allegedly center on a 10-lane superhighway which would run from Mexico to Canada.[43]
George W. Bush, Mexican President Vicente Fox, and Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin 'committed their governments' to this goal when they met at Bush's ranch and at Waco, Texas on March 23, 2005. The three adopted the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America and assigned 'working groups' to fill in the details."[47] The document advocated allowing companies to recruit workers from anywhere within North America and called for large loans and aid to Mexico from the US. It called for a court system for North American dispute resolution and said that illegal aliens should be allowed into the United States Social Security system through the Social Security Totalization Agreement. The report called for a fund to be created by the US to allow 60,000 Mexican students to attend US colleges. The report says the plan can be carried out within five years.

For more info on the North American Union try: www.amerocurrency.com


Video 1:
Dick Cheney admits, on C-SPAN, that he was once the director of the CFR. The CFR audience he is speaking to erupts in laughter after he outright confesses he kept that fact a secret from his constituency during his campaigns:

*Watch the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbnpN07J_zg


Video 2:
The following documentary excerpt illustrates the immense influence sought after and attained by the CFR regarding the U.S. media:

*Watch the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pLRWiqNsnY

Cynthetiq

No, I just don't like someone walking into my house telling me that shit is all wrong because of some boogeyman hiding in the closet.

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Martian

Yeah, fuck the NWO, brain-washing me to check my own facts and not accept outrageous claims with no proof! Does that mean that I can start posting unsourced quotes bout unrelated events and discover a secret society of my own?

As a point of interest, I did take the time to double-check the one verifiable piece of evidence you did offer (the dollar bill, above). Since I'm not American, I had to find a picture of the dollar bill, but I was able to do so readily.



I also found close-up images of the eagle and the pyramid, to make sure I wasn't missing anything. Unless I am, I'd say your Latin needs a little work.

I found three Latin phrases on the note. They are "novus ordo seclorum", "annuit coeptis" and "E pluribus unum". They translate as follows:

novus - New, fresh, young
ordo - rank, class, order
seclorum - generations, ages

Note that seclorum is plural and does not in any way shape or form mean world or global. This phrase, therefore, would translate roughly to 'new order [of the] ages.' A bit grandiose I'd agree, but it's not the phrase you suggested. So next we have:

annuit - to nod, consent, give assent to / approve, favor.
coeptis - to begin, undertake

So annuit coeptis would translate roughly to '[he/she/it] approves the undertaking.' I would normally assume, given the context, that the subject is God. But could it be (gasp!) the NWO?

Maybe. But this still isn't the phrase we want. The one that's around here somewhere in plain English. Err.. Latin. And that proves it all.The only other phrase on the bill is:

E - from, of
Pluribus - several, many
Unum - single, solitary, one

Which, as I think everybody knows, translates to 'From many, one.'

So that's not it either, which begs the question of where on the one dollar bill does it say 'announcing the arrival of the New World Order?' You know what, I'll even help you look for it if you'd like. The phrase you're looking for is 'indicum advenio novus ordo mundo.' Or something very close to that.

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ericdubay

I give you all this information and instead of looking into anything of relevance you make this semantic argument about the translation being "New Order of the Ages" instead of "New World Order?" You're right about changing "World" to "Ages", but you're avoiding the reality of the NWO by cynically debating rhetorical issues like this.

Go to www.myspace.com/sheeplerevolt and read "The History of the New World Order" and "The Secret Society Network" watch "Total Onslaught - The New World Order" and "Terrorstorm." Follow the links and spend some time researching this folks. Also try www.whatreallyhappened.com www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com and www.freedom-fight.net

Martian

Sigh.

I've already read your myspace page. I've already watched the videos. I have read every bloody word of unsourced quotes and unfounded accusations you've posted in this thread. I took issue with the dollar bill because, as I previously stated, it is the only thing you've given me so far in all these reams of 'information' that can be readily verified. Upon taking the time to look into it (which took longer than you'd think, since I had to actually go and figure out what I'd done with my Latin dictionary), I discovered that you were (and there is, unfortunately, no real nice way to say this) completely out-and-out wrong. There is nothing there that supports your claims. New Order of the Ages does not mean the same thing as New World Order.

Again, to be totally clear I refuted (not argued, because the word argue suggests a series of counter-arguments and 'no, only pay attention to the claims I want you to read!' is not a counter-argument) the dollar bill issue because it's the only one that is not rehtorical and can, in fact, be discussed. I can't provide any sort of argument for or against anything else you've written here because the only source you're giving me is you; your posts and your website. I will be kind and assume that your grasp of Latin is not equal to mine and that therefore you simply mistranslated rather than grabbing some unsourced statement and not bothering to verify it when for an American citizen all it takes to verify is to reach into your pocket. Either way the fact remains that this isn't a case of a changed word. What the phrase Novus Ordo Seclorum means and what you suggested it means are two entirely different things.

To be honest, your best piece of evidence so far is that Nixon tape. I haven't the means to verify that it is actually Nixon speaking and not just some nutjob looking for attention, but if we assume for the sake of argument that it is in fact him, it still proves very little. You've got him referring to Bohemian Grove as "the faggiest goddamn place," which really only proves that Bohemian Grove does actually exist and that Nixon may have been there. Apart from that, it gives you nothing. What constitutes faggy in Richard Nixon's eyes? Does that mean he saw men engaging in acts of homoeroticism? Men expressing their feelings? Men crying? Men kissing each other hello in the European style? Any of these could be considered 'faggy' and none of them actually prove anything.

There is a truism and if you stick around here you'll see it from me many times (since people never seem to take it to heart). It says that extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. What this means is that if you want to convince me that a cabal of the world's most powerful men and women are attempting to stage a global coup and unite the world under some vague New World Order, you're going to need evidence. You need hard facts that can be independently verified. Unsourced quotes don't cut it. Lists of names with no source don't cut it. In fact, anything without an independently verifiable source does not cut it in any way, shape or form.

As a point of interest, where did you get all of your information? Given that you've stated you uncovered this whole thing while researching on the internet, I'm assuming it came from other websites? Did any of them provide sources for any of this?

I only ask because, y'know, you're quick to accuse anyone who doesn't agree with you of being a sheeple (cute, that.) It would be sort of embarrassing for you if, after that, it turned out that you'd simply begun mindlessly spouting a bunch of information given to you by others without bothering to double-check any of it for yourself.

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Dilbert1234567

um... don't you think your little web page would be shut down by now?

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ericdubay

You have not watched the videos. You have not read my blogs. The Nixon video is not "the best piece of info" about Bohemian Grove. There is video of the mock-sacrifice rituals at Bohemian Grove and testimony from members saying they push for a world government of elites and you think Nixon saying "it's a faggy place" is the best "proof?" It's true that they bring in gay porn stars every year to "service" the members, (google it) but that's just the tip of the iceburg.

Read PDD51 which allows Bush to enstate martial law for any national security reason and give himself complete dictatorial power without checks/balances from congress. Read REX-84 about the construction of FEMA concentration camps, 800 of which are alread built in America and more currently being built by Halliburton's engineering subsidiary. Read the Security and Prosperity Partnership that Bush has signed (with the presidents of Canada and Mexico) behind the back of the house and senate merging the three countries into a North American Union. They've already planned an "Amero" version of currency like the Euro. www.amerocurrency.com

I can give you sources for every claim I've made. What specifically do you disagree with? What have I said that is unsubstantiated? Let me know and I'll send you the source. Meanwhile, check out this great 6 minute rap video by Immortal Technique and wake up:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...80970701377933

Dilbert1234567

so what is wrong with a regional currency?

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ericdubay

Did you know every republican president and most democratic in the last century were 33rd degree free masons? Did you know Saddam Hussein was a 33rd degree free mason? Yasser Arafat? Watch "Total Onslaught - The New World Order" on my website for more info there. (www.myspace.com/sheeplerevolt) Did you know most of the founding fathers including George Washington and Ben Franklin were masons? At George Washington's DC monument it reads "Freemason and First President" with Freemason symbolically written before president. Did you know the Statue of Liberty was given to the US by French Freemasons? The character we call "lady liberty" is really Queen Semiramis from Babylon - her crown represents the sun (solar worship) and she carries the illuminati flame. Again, look at the slideshow on my website for this, as another person pointed out, another French freemason (Charles L'Enfant) planned the design of Washington DC to include that upside-down pentagram ending at the white house. Another occult symbol is the "Washington monument" obelisk which represents Baal (another Babylonian god) and it's 555ft high with 111ft under ground, making the obelisk 666ft high. One more Babylonian symbol is around the capitol building is clearly a pyramid with the capstone missing and an owl sitting on top of it. The owl is Moloch, another Babylonian god, which is found in DC, in the upper-right hand corner of the dollar bill, and in Bohemian Grove - the elite club in No. Cal. where most presidents, politicians, bankers, and major media heads have gathered for about 150 years to discuss policy and perform strange mock-sacrifice rituals affront a 40ft statue of Moloch. People who regularly attend Bohemian Grove include: Bill Clinton, Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan,Colin Powell, Henry Kissenger, Donald Rumsfeld, George Bush, George W. Bush, Richard Nixon, Newt Gingrich, Alan Greenspan, David Gergen, George Shultz, William Casey, William F. Buckley, Robert Novak, Prince Bandar Bin Abdul Aziz, Dwight D. Eisenhower, Dick Cheney, James Woolsey and Gerald Ford. For more info on this look at the slideshow and watch "Order of Death" at www.myspace.com/sheeplerevolt


Did you know about the letter Albert Pike (Illuminati, Head 33rd degree Freemason, KKK co-founder) sent to Guiseppe Mazzini in 1871? It outlined three world wars that were necessary to bring about one world government and one world religion. And lo and behold world wars I and II (financed by Skull and Bones, Bohemian Grove, Masonic bankers) turned out exactly as planned. As for WWIII, they're scaring us into submission with Al-CIAda and false-flag attacks to create the atmosphere Albert Pike describes in the third paragraph:

"The First World War must be brought about in order to permit the Illuminati to overthrow the power of the Czars in Russia and of making that country a fortress of atheistic Communism. The divergences caused by the "agentur" (agents) of the Illuminati between the British and Germanic Empires will be used to foment this war. At the end of the war, Communism will be built and used in order to destroy the other governments and in order to weaken the religions.

The Second World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences between the Fascists and the political Zionists. This war must be brought about so that Nazism is destroyed and that the political Zionism be strong enough to institute a sovereign state of Israel in Palestine. During the Second World War, International Communism must become strong enough in order to balance Christendom, which would be then restrained and held in check until the time when we would need it for the final social cataclysm.

The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion…We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time."

Dilbert1234567

I've got to disagree here, atheism is never going away, science will never go away, if it is banned for a time, it will come back.

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No "proofs" are necessary to make the point, after you read "Shock Doctrine " by Naomi Klein, of "No Logo" fame. The latter I never read, since she would have been preaching to the converted (me) and the former...Doctrine... her more current, well what can I say. Amongst the many things she recounts, is the Allende coup, which when it happened at the time I heard the CIA, World Bank and ITT were implicated . This goaded me to naively cease using phones ('70's style land lines) but ultimately I caved for any number of reasons and joined the sheeple. Kleins' recounting and update of the coup along with similiar US incursions has reawakened me. Another possible more contentious book is "Confessions of an Economic Hit Man" by Perkins (I'm not sure of that author name). Regardless, these two books dovetail nicely and will give you a proper schooling.

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I don't see why this stuff is so hard to think is possible. I've read a lot of this kinda stuff as much as I can tolerate. dyslexia makes reading it really tough going, links upon links...it never ends. part of me wants to scoff but overall I find it more plausible than not that these things are going on. I mean, we've just been watching the financial system 'crashing' lately and many of the 'powers that be' squeeze billions out of the american public and so far, just walk away with the cash and no real explanation as to what will come of it. doesn't some of this make you (naysayers) wonder just a little ?

I mean, I've NEVER heard about a Bilderberg meeting on any form of established media and yet I know the meetings do happen. why wouldn't meetings involving such a wide array of world leaders be mentioned on the news in some way ?
same question for Bohemian Grove. the place exists, it's a fact. why is it so secret ? would Hillary have been invited if she became President ? for that matter has there ever been a member who was a Black man or even someone of mixed race ?

I haven't read anything about how Obama fits into the picture.

I've ofter wondered what the deal is w/ Alex Jones and the whole Info Wars thing. I did see the 911 scholars meeting on C-Span, can't remember if AJ was there.

either way, one thing that comes to mind when this subject comes up is , what to do ?

what would be the point of fabricating all of this information ? is there a big underground 'conspiracy economy' ? I know for certain there is a huge all encompassing economy of war and conflict. and also a massive economy surrounding the religious industry...I don't know what else to call it.

people didn't believe the Nazi's were killing jews on such a massive scale, and now today I don't hear much about the number of dead civilian muslims due to the U.S. War on Terror but it's tipped 1,000,000.

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MSD

Rational people don't believe things without evidence, it's that simple. Why should I be afraid of a bunch of rich people meeting at a camp out in the middle of nowhere?

roachboy

you know, i've heard of all the major elements in the conspiracy theory universe that's been outlined in this thread.
but to "research" it, i'd recommend robert anton wilson's "illuminati trilogy"---a fine sequence of novels that has the advantage of being great fun---plus it introduces the vital category of the fnord, which may "explain" why folk are resistant to such infotainment.

the trick is, not surprisingly, that wilson wrote a sequence of novels. you know. novels.

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well, sure. he's mentioned being a new member doesn't allow him posting links.
but out of curiosity wouldn't one be interested to peek at some google returns or wikki pages ?

I know google and wikki aren't the be all end all source of the truth either but it's a start.

as far as rich (and don't forget powerful) people meet in secret, ahh, yes it does tend to raise concerns in my mind. I mean, just last night I was watching Frontline talking about how corporate bankruptcy has turned into a way for corps to dump all their debt by skipping out on the contracts to their workers..pension, medical ins. and wages.
the gist of the show was the evaporation of 'retirement' in America. how about Enron and the current banking situation. all situations where those in power, the few, the rich are deciding in private just how hard they will screw the rank and file to get out of the situation. now you could look at it and say they did the best they could for the rank and file (keep them working with an income) by saving the company (American Airlines in the Frontline show) and that's good. but when the lawyers and CEO's walk away with millions and the workers get massive cuts...seems like a bad deal. I know if you take the millions from the CEO's and lawyers it won't help with billions in losses...but still it seems like a raw deal.

erm...lets see...oh how about the war on terror ? weapons /defense industry I think is pretty obvious is a huge economic engine. but it needs war and conflict to justify itself.
those who own, fund and make money from defense are very close to those in politics and banking. world wide. so if business is lacking and perception for the need of weapons is low wouldn't it make sense for these powerful people to 'invent' more conflict ?
I mean, the PTB don't care about the masses who actually fight the wars. the masses are just cattle to be herded this way and that to sute the needs of the PTB.


I don't know. I'm not a history buff and I fully admit a lot of my reaction is from my gut.
I don't have time to read, cross reference, make charts on dates and places of all the various events in history leading up til modern times...it's not something I'm very good at. I'm just saying that from what I've read, too much of it makes sense to just toss out as crazy paranoia bs.

one thing I would like is something more than "ehh, this is bs" is maybe a little debunking help from someone who IS a history/politics buff.


take this for instance...is this true or total bs ? did WW take campaign moneys in exchange for signing into existence the Fed ?

it seems like if this thread were in politics people would post reams or text and links backing up their points but since it's in paranoia, people just say...yer nutz and walk away.

it used to be (and I'm shure it still is) that in a major construction project, those in control would estimate a ratio of money spent/lives lost ... like when a bridge is built or something like the Hoover dam....a realistic factor to look at but the point is in mentioning it is that the rank and file of humanity, or life of any kind (environmental damage)is just part of the equasion to an economic engine that mainly benefits the PTB and the masses are just meat for their sausage machine.

another way of looking at the whole thing is, there's one story we all hear on the news and in mainstream history books, a story the rank and file can believe and feel ok about. then there's the hidden truth behind it all that, if the rank and file knew there'd be massive unrest, riots in the streets. but overall we all benefit (including the rank and file) from the machine of society. i.e. mass manufacture of goods, transportation of goods, world wide infrastructure of communications systems and all the stuff humanity uses day in day out. I don't know if all that stuff could happen w/o this massive machine we have.

sorry, I'm rambling. oh, have a happy New Years !

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I dont believe in grand conspiracy theories... but it wouldnt be a bad thing if it were true.

One world, One order, One Government... a long time ago Thomas Hobbes wrote that the only way to save mankind from itself and from endless war was for all to be equally powerless before the great leviathan, a state so powerful that it would be able to subdue the aggressive nature of humankind.

Nothing in history that has happened since has made me feel Hobbes was any less right.

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SSJTWIZTA

Maybe the FEMA Coffins are there for a reason.


...just maybe.

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sounds like Iraq under Saddam Hussein.
I don't see how that could work anyway due to the Military Industry needs a world in conflict to make money. I see something more like a world fascist state with never ending wars going on all over the globe.

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filtherton

All this stuff is just as plausible as the idea that people like making things up to make a boring world more interesting.

I don't particularly care enough to try to be sure either way.

Same goes for the idea that vampires and werewolves are mortal enemies. They may be, but I have yet to be convinced.

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I thought Werewolves were the slaves or minions to Vampires

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That was before the great werewolf civil rights struggle.

MSD

I've seen stacks of PolyGuard brand burial vaults, I've seen allegations that they belong to FEMA (mostly based on conjecture that since the CDC is in Georgia, it's related to an expected biological attack,) but no proof that they actually belong to FEMA or the CDC.

They're obviously there for a reason, but I suspect it has a lot more to do with cheap land along a highway being used for storage of some company's weatherproof inventory than a conspiracy to kill hundreds of thousands of people after leaving evidence of said conspiracy in the open.

Telluride

It's great in theory, but could suck if made reality. I can't imagine that my individual rights or even happiness would be positively affected by allowing, for example, religious fanatics from Saudi Arabia to have a say in how my country is run. Violently oppressing gays/religious minorities and punishing rape victims with execution isn't my idea of a good time.

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Iliftrocks

Now, maybe I'm not mental powerhouse here, but there is no way that scenario implies equality, as the great leviathan would also be composed of people, correct? Unless you have some artificially intelligent robots, or aliens to run the government (state) then you will still have people under the thumbs of other people. And Hell, we don't even have ONE government in this country. The larger entity is always made up of smaller ones, and they don't always tow the same line......

There is no Utopia, I'm afraid. I guess the only path to true equality for all is if we were all dead and rotting.....

Inequality is just part of the human condition, as is violence and greed. Luckily for us that isn't the whole picture, correct?

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