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Willravel · 03-31-2007, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Dilbert1234567

There was no melting steel, period.

Dr. Allison Geyh was one of a team of public health investigators from Johns Hopkins who visited the WTC site after 9-11. She reported in the Late Fall 2001 issue of Magazine of Johns Hopkins Public Health, "In some pockets now being uncovered they are finding molten steel."

Dilbert1234567 · 03-31-2007, 01:51 PM

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CB_Brooklyn · 04-01-2007, 05:15 PM

I'm posting the following in a few forums. Seems the evidence just keeps on piling up, and the information below shows NIST to have had a definite conflict of interest. Naahhhhhh... maybe I'm just overreacting :-)

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Dr. Wood's research has revealed that Applied Research Associates (ARA) was not only a major NIST contractor in the clean up of the WTC site post 9-11 but was also a major contractor for the NIST in the preparation of the NCStar 1 report series.

ARA is also at the very epicenter of the development of Directed Energy Weapons (DEW).

...

The organization that ARA is a founding member of: Directed Energy Professional Society (DEPS) appears to be a major hub of the Military-Industrial-Complex.

Jerry V. Leaphart
Attorney
MEMORANDUM To: Dr. Judy Wood (232 kb)
30 March 2007, Jerry V. Leaphart, Attorney

Full Memorandum Here:
http://911scholars.org/Media/DEW/jvl_memorandum.pdf

Dr Wood's Supplement to her Original RFC to NIST:
http://911scholars.org/Media/DEW/Woo...nt1_to_RFC.pdf

Dr Judy Wood's site: http://www.drjudywood.com

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TIME TO TAKE ACTION!

Email Directed Energy Weapon people and Military personnel and ask whether they agree with Dr Wood that the visual effects seen are consistent with directed energy weapons use.

fastom · 04-01-2007, 10:00 PM

Whoa there Dil...
Expanding and contracting girders??

I think we need to investigate where this sudden cold front came from... you told us the fires were still going strong and now you have girders shrinking like an Arctic swimmer?

The amount of this expansion or contraction even if such a thing were likely would be fractions of an inch... you would not see the building sides buckle inwards.
What you are seeing there is probably the walls being blown up by those surviving "19 Arabs©"

Dilbert1234567 · 04-01-2007, 10:13 PM

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fastom · 04-02-2007, 11:25 PM

Dil
Maybe you are a city slicker and never been near a camp fire. You can do all your experiments there instead of relying on your Bush apologist scientists for those wacky theories.

Steel beams that expand like rising bread dough and then magically contract quickly without being quenched is not good science, sorry.

Cynthetiq · 04-03-2007, 04:04 AM

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Originally Posted by fastom

Dil
Maybe you are a city slicker and never been near a camp fire. You can do all your experiments there instead of relying on your Bush apologist scientists for those wacky theories.

Steel beams that expand like rising bread dough and then magically contract quickly without being quenched is not good science, sorry.

fastom,

Please address the post, not the poster or I will begin moderating your posts as personal attacks.

shakran · 04-03-2007, 04:56 AM

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Originally Posted by fastom

Dil
Maybe you are a city slicker and never been near a camp fire. You can do all your experiments there instead

Are you seriously going to sit there and try to tell us that a camp fire has the same effects and properties as a raging kerosene-fueled inferno?

Willravel · 04-03-2007, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by shakran

Are you seriously going to sit there and try to tell us that a camp fire has the same effects and properties as a raging kerosene-fueled inferno?

Psst....the kerosene burned for MAYBE 10 minutes. You can't call a fire that burned for an hour total, and of that only 10 minutes or less was fueled by kerosene, a kerosene fire. That's be like calling my fireplace a match fire. The match only worked as a catalyst, and burned out itself really quickly. The fire was mainly fueled by the contents of the office, though the disagreement seems to be over how much of it burned and at what intensity.

Dilbert1234567 · 04-03-2007, 10:57 AM

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fastom · 04-04-2007, 12:29 AM

OK addressing the post...

"the walls around the impact site slowly bowed in minutes before the collapse, this was the girders cooling and shrinking back in"

That's truly hilarious. IF the girders expanded in the first place they could only shrink back to the original size. And that is only IF the temperature retured to where it started. If you think the beams heated up enough to expand (and i sure don't) how did they cool with any sort of ongoing fire? How could they possibly cool below the temperature they were before the fires?

What you are saying is preposterous. Forget what happens at the swimming pool, when it comes to steel girders shrinkage and expansion is NOT more than a fraction of a percentage. The expansion rate you are talking about would mean mile long bridges would have 50 foot gaps in them on cold days.

Dilbert1234567 · 04-04-2007, 07:35 AM

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fastom · 04-04-2007, 01:04 PM

The video doesn't lie, it's just you are misinterpreting the reason the walls are moving. They are being pulled in. It has nothing to do with any contraction... and by the way weren't you earlier saying that the floor beams just sat a narrow ledge and fell off? If so how can they pull in a wall?

More likely the floor joists are firmly anchored to the walls and pulled in the walls as they were blown to smithereens and dropped into a big hole newly created inside the building.

You can't seriously think metal contracts THAT rapidly or that much. And for what it's worth i worked in a blacksmith shop for several years and am well versed on properties of heating steel and iron.

That MIT video is not only very long it's also covers stuff you can learn by trial and error like i have. His plot on the temperature vs expansion isn't exactly right, there is point where it won't expand further with more heat. You can shape the direction of expansion by heating in different areas. Heat rises. It's true a piece of steel obstructed or restrained will warp like in your railroad track example.

But back to the case at hand, the beams never could have got close to hot enough to do any of that.

Ourcrazymodern? · 04-05-2007, 01:46 PM

Extremely tall buildings have been designed to fall straight down? Good idea!

Dilbert1234567 · 04-05-2007, 04:50 PM

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fastom · 04-05-2007, 11:56 PM

Science and lab tests might prove it is remotely possible. It doesn't prove what happened. Evidence of explosives wasn't even looked for, of course it wasn't found.

Dil, Your expansion rate is many times more than is possible. Check the decimal position on your math. Expansion of a beam that size is nothing you'd pick up in a video.

Take a 20 foot long exhaust system on a truck for example. Your trusted men in white coats would have it expanding to the point it'd break all the muffler hangers and drop to the ground when it heated up. Actually provable fact outside the lab says it's a miniscule amount, even when it's red smokin' hot. .010" per foot is a lot of expansion for steel. That means a 100 foot beam could grow an inch longer and that is contingent on the whole beam being heated not just one area. Heat 50 feet of it and you have 1/2" and that doesn't take into account heat sink into adjoining materials.

Dilbert1234567 · 04-06-2007, 07:39 AM

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fastom · 04-06-2007, 11:16 PM

Dil
Those first exhaust joints are not to deal with expansion, they are flex couplings for trucks and front wheel drive cars where the engine moves in the frame more than normal vehicles. The second ones are also mainly for flex and they also allow for expansion of pipes in turbocharged trucks where the large diameter exhaust pipes can crack welds with movement. So yes, they do expand a very small amount and that is enough to warrant the bellows type joint. Don't be thinkin' it moves like an accordion, we are talking small fractions of an inch for expansion and far more for engine vibration.

Those WTC walls bowing out then inward from expansion and contraction would be doing so less LESS THAN AN INCH ... you saw that on video very clearly yet all those other anomalies are the result of grainy videos?

Which expert says the walls expand a couple of feet then very quickly contract that much without being quenched in ice water?

Dilbert1234567 · 04-06-2007, 11:37 PM

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fastom · 04-08-2007, 12:19 AM

FIFTY FIVE INCHES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Not off just one decimal place...

I have no idea if your "experts" are mistaking steel for cake mix but 1% expansion is way too much. 1% is 1 foot on a 100 foot girder. Not even remotely possible.

Nimetic · 04-08-2007, 02:04 AM

Were directed energy weapons used. Sure. Most of the other times aircraft have hit the WTC, theres not been any problems.

Dilbert1234567 · 04-08-2007, 09:43 AM

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fastom · 04-08-2007, 03:48 PM

Dil
Whoever told you the steel beams expand by 55 inches is certifiably a lunatic. Whoever told you steel expands even 1% is nuts. I hope you don't think 55 inches is 1% of the beam length in a WTC tower. Remember they only ran from the central core to the outer walls.

Bigger problem is that the walls moved inward that far... not outward.
So how in heck did the walls contract 55 inches if they never expanded in the first place? If the walls expanded 55 inches (completely impossible but lets pretend) they can only contract back that far.

The posts i reply to are now gone so you'll have to guess what was said.

CB_Brooklyn · 04-11-2007, 06:07 PM

http://janedoe0911.tripod.com/DEW_letter.html

See link above for letter posted before with full formatting, and an important comment by Attorney Jerry Leaphart on whistleblowers.

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DEW Information Requests

Answers are being sought from Head of U.S. Air Force Directed Energy Directorate, Susan J. Thornton,
OMB Deputy Director, Clay Johnson III, and
Board of Directors of Directed Energy Professional Society

Hon. Henry Waxman, notified

Main question is:
Are the effects set forth in RFC filed with NIST (pdf) consistent with the destructive effects that would result from the use of directed energy weapons? (other resolutions of this RFC)

Text of query letter and analysis of reasons for it follow:
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[See link above]

03-31-2007, 01:51 PM	#42 (permalink)
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04-01-2007, 05:15 PM	#43 (permalink)
CB_Brooklyn Banned Location: New York City	NIST Contracted w/ Directed-Energy Weapon Manufacturer I'm posting the following in a few forums. Seems the evidence just keeps on piling up, and the information below shows NIST to have had a definite conflict of interest. Naahhhhhh... maybe I'm just overreacting :-) ---------------------------------------- Dr. Wood's research has revealed that Applied Research Associates (ARA) was not only a major NIST contractor in the clean up of the WTC site post 9-11 but was also a major contractor for the NIST in the preparation of the NCStar 1 report series. ARA is also at the very epicenter of the development of Directed Energy Weapons (DEW). ... The organization that ARA is a founding member of: Directed Energy Professional Society (DEPS) appears to be a major hub of the Military-Industrial-Complex. Jerry V. Leaphart Attorney MEMORANDUM To: Dr. Judy Wood (232 kb) 30 March 2007, Jerry V. Leaphart, Attorney Full Memorandum Here: http://911scholars.org/Media/DEW/jvl_memorandum.pdf Dr Wood's Supplement to her Original RFC to NIST: http://911scholars.org/Media/DEW/Woo...nt1_to_RFC.pdf Dr Judy Wood's site: http://www.drjudywood.com --------------------------------------------------------------- TIME TO TAKE ACTION! Email Directed Energy Weapon people and Military personnel and ask whether they agree with Dr Wood that the visual effects seen are consistent with directed energy weapons use.

04-01-2007, 10:13 PM	#45 (permalink)
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04-03-2007, 10:57 AM	#50 (permalink)
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04-04-2007, 07:35 AM	#52 (permalink)
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04-01-2007, 10:00 PM	#44 (permalink)
fastom Psycho Location: way out west	Whoa there Dil... Expanding and contracting girders?? I think we need to investigate where this sudden cold front came from... you told us the fires were still going strong and now you have girders shrinking like an Arctic swimmer? The amount of this expansion or contraction even if such a thing were likely would be fractions of an inch... you would not see the building sides buckle inwards. What you are seeing there is probably the walls being blown up by those surviving "19 Arabs©"

04-02-2007, 11:25 PM	#46 (permalink)
fastom Psycho Location: way out west	Dil Maybe you are a city slicker and never been near a camp fire. You can do all your experiments there instead of relying on your Bush apologist scientists for those wacky theories. Steel beams that expand like rising bread dough and then magically contract quickly without being quenched is not good science, sorry.

04-04-2007, 12:29 AM	#51 (permalink)
fastom Psycho Location: way out west	OK addressing the post... "the walls around the impact site slowly bowed in minutes before the collapse, this was the girders cooling and shrinking back in" That's truly hilarious. IF the girders expanded in the first place they could only shrink back to the original size. And that is only IF the temperature retured to where it started. If you think the beams heated up enough to expand (and i sure don't) how did they cool with any sort of ongoing fire? How could they possibly cool below the temperature they were before the fires? What you are saying is preposterous. Forget what happens at the swimming pool, when it comes to steel girders shrinkage and expansion is NOT more than a fraction of a percentage. The expansion rate you are talking about would mean mile long bridges would have 50 foot gaps in them on cold days.

04-04-2007, 01:04 PM	#53 (permalink)
fastom Psycho Location: way out west	The video doesn't lie, it's just you are misinterpreting the reason the walls are moving. They are being pulled in. It has nothing to do with any contraction... and by the way weren't you earlier saying that the floor beams just sat a narrow ledge and fell off? If so how can they pull in a wall? More likely the floor joists are firmly anchored to the walls and pulled in the walls as they were blown to smithereens and dropped into a big hole newly created inside the building. You can't seriously think metal contracts THAT rapidly or that much. And for what it's worth i worked in a blacksmith shop for several years and am well versed on properties of heating steel and iron. That MIT video is not only very long it's also covers stuff you can learn by trial and error like i have. His plot on the temperature vs expansion isn't exactly right, there is point where it won't expand further with more heat. You can shape the direction of expansion by heating in different areas. Heat rises. It's true a piece of steel obstructed or restrained will warp like in your railroad track example. But back to the case at hand, the beams never could have got close to hot enough to do any of that. Last edited by fastom; 04-04-2007 at 01:15 PM..

04-05-2007, 01:46 PM	#54 (permalink)
Ourcrazymodern? still, wondering. Location: South Minneapolis, somewhere near the gorgeous gorge	Extremely tall buildings have been designed to fall straight down? Good idea! __________________ BE JUST AND FEAR NOT

04-05-2007, 04:50 PM	#55 (permalink)
Dilbert1234567 Devils Cabana Boy Location: Central Coast CA	removed __________________ Donate Blood! "Love is not finding the perfect person, but learning to see an imperfect person perfectly." -Sam Keen Last edited by Dilbert1234567; 04-08-2007 at 04:09 PM.. Reason: removed

04-05-2007, 11:56 PM	#56 (permalink)
fastom Psycho Location: way out west	Science and lab tests might prove it is remotely possible. It doesn't prove what happened. Evidence of explosives wasn't even looked for, of course it wasn't found. Dil, Your expansion rate is many times more than is possible. Check the decimal position on your math. Expansion of a beam that size is nothing you'd pick up in a video. Take a 20 foot long exhaust system on a truck for example. Your trusted men in white coats would have it expanding to the point it'd break all the muffler hangers and drop to the ground when it heated up. Actually provable fact outside the lab says it's a miniscule amount, even when it's red smokin' hot. .010" per foot is a lot of expansion for steel. That means a 100 foot beam could grow an inch longer and that is contingent on the whole beam being heated not just one area. Heat 50 feet of it and you have 1/2" and that doesn't take into account heat sink into adjoining materials.

04-06-2007, 07:39 AM	#57 (permalink)
Dilbert1234567 Devils Cabana Boy Location: Central Coast CA	removed __________________ Donate Blood! "Love is not finding the perfect person, but learning to see an imperfect person perfectly." -Sam Keen Last edited by Dilbert1234567; 04-08-2007 at 04:08 PM.. Reason: removed

04-06-2007, 11:16 PM	#58 (permalink)
fastom Psycho Location: way out west	Dil Those first exhaust joints are not to deal with expansion, they are flex couplings for trucks and front wheel drive cars where the engine moves in the frame more than normal vehicles. The second ones are also mainly for flex and they also allow for expansion of pipes in turbocharged trucks where the large diameter exhaust pipes can crack welds with movement. So yes, they do expand a very small amount and that is enough to warrant the bellows type joint. Don't be thinkin' it moves like an accordion, we are talking small fractions of an inch for expansion and far more for engine vibration. Those WTC walls bowing out then inward from expansion and contraction would be doing so less LESS THAN AN INCH ... you saw that on video very clearly yet all those other anomalies are the result of grainy videos? Which expert says the walls expand a couple of feet then very quickly contract that much without being quenched in ice water? Last edited by fastom; 04-06-2007 at 11:27 PM..

04-06-2007, 11:37 PM	#59 (permalink)
Dilbert1234567 Devils Cabana Boy Location: Central Coast CA	removed __________________ Donate Blood! "Love is not finding the perfect person, but learning to see an imperfect person perfectly." -Sam Keen Last edited by Dilbert1234567; 04-08-2007 at 04:08 PM.. Reason: removed

04-08-2007, 12:19 AM	#60 (permalink)
fastom Psycho Location: way out west	FIFTY FIVE INCHES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Not off just one decimal place... I have no idea if your "experts" are mistaking steel for cake mix but 1% expansion is way too much. 1% is 1 foot on a 100 foot girder. Not even remotely possible. Last edited by fastom; 04-08-2007 at 08:14 PM..

04-08-2007, 02:04 AM	#61 (permalink)
Nimetic Junkie Location: Melbourne, Australia	Were directed energy weapons used. Sure. Most of the other times aircraft have hit the WTC, theres not been any problems.

04-08-2007, 09:43 AM	#62 (permalink)
Dilbert1234567 Devils Cabana Boy Location: Central Coast CA	removed __________________ Donate Blood! "Love is not finding the perfect person, but learning to see an imperfect person perfectly." -Sam Keen Last edited by Dilbert1234567; 04-08-2007 at 04:03 PM.. Reason: removed

04-08-2007, 03:48 PM	#63 (permalink)
fastom Psycho Location: way out west	Dil Whoever told you the steel beams expand by 55 inches is certifiably a lunatic. Whoever told you steel expands even 1% is nuts. I hope you don't think 55 inches is 1% of the beam length in a WTC tower. Remember they only ran from the central core to the outer walls. Bigger problem is that the walls moved inward that far... not outward. So how in heck did the walls contract 55 inches if they never expanded in the first place? If the walls expanded 55 inches (completely impossible but lets pretend) they can only contract back that far. The posts i reply to are now gone so you'll have to guess what was said. Last edited by fastom; 04-08-2007 at 08:01 PM..

04-11-2007, 06:07 PM	#64 (permalink)
CB_Brooklyn Banned Location: New York City	http://janedoe0911.tripod.com/DEW_letter.html See link above for letter posted before with full formatting, and an important comment by Attorney Jerry Leaphart on whistleblowers. --------------------------------------------------------- DEW Information Requests Answers are being sought from Head of U.S. Air Force Directed Energy Directorate, Susan J. Thornton, OMB Deputy Director, Clay Johnson III, and Board of Directors of Directed Energy Professional Society Hon. Henry Waxman, notified Main question is: Are the effects set forth in RFC filed with NIST (pdf) consistent with the destructive effects that would result from the use of directed energy weapons? (other resolutions of this RFC) Text of query letter and analysis of reasons for it follow: ===================== [See link above]