Was the Dems win fixed. - Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

pan6467 · 11-08-2006, 11:13 AM

Being the paranoidal, conspiracy minded person I am, I have this gnawing in the back of my head.

What if there is the inevitable terrorist attack?

Do the GOP say "see what happens when you tie the president's hands"?

Does Bush accept the responsibility, the GOP always blame Clinton not the GOP Congress we had. Why would the next action be any different?

Would the GOP accept that it is nobody's fault, that with the freedoms we have it is inevitable, regardless of who is in power?

I just have a fear that the GOP see a terrorist attack as a great saving grace for their agendas. That they could blame the new Dem Congress and people would buy it.

After all, the GOP ran on the fear that if you elect the Dems, terrorists will attack. Are they setting this table?

(Granted this is just my ramblings... the paranoidal, conspiracy nut in me can believe this.... do I truly believe it... no, I would hope to God the GOP power boys don't want power that bad. This is just a thought to throw out and see what others think.)

Sticky · 11-08-2006, 12:25 PM

If the Republicans won there would be questions here about a conspiracy on the Republicans part.
I guess becuase the democrats won the conspiracy questions should be raised around the Republicans as well.

It is only fair, right

ASU2003 · 11-09-2006, 07:04 PM

I wonder how the Democrats will act if there is an attack as well. The spin machine would be back for the Republicans, because they can introduce bills to monitor calls, 'interrogate' captives that they think are terrorists, and other stuff. If the Dems block it, they will look soft on the terrorists. If they try and do anything that costs lots of money like screening all of the cargo, Bush can still veto it, and say that it would cost too much or they would have to raise taxes or something.

If the Dems cut the funding for the war, and Iraq turns into a safe haven for terrorists, and they launch attacks on Israel and the US from there. Then you can blame the democrats. Then again, maybe if the US troops left, the people of Iraq would stand up and fight for the country they want.

If the republicans had won, I think that the e-voting stuff wouldn't be used by any democrat next time. They would all vote by absentee ballot.

USMC6531 · 11-11-2006, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Sticky

If the Republicans won there would be questions here about a conspiracy on the Republicans part.
I guess becuase the democrats won the conspiracy questions should be raised around the Republicans as well.

It is only fair, right

Sounds like Republicans are just being presented with a lose lose situation. Now since we didn't win we may set up a terrorist act? And if we did win we rigged the polls? Definetly all paranoia I'd have to say.

pan6467 · 11-11-2006, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by USMC6531

Sounds like Republicans are just being presented with a lose lose situation. Now since we didn't win we may set up a terrorist act? And if we did win we rigged the polls? Definetly all paranoia I'd have to say.

I didn't say set one up, I said when the inevitable does happen, will the GOP sit and say "see what happens when you have Dems. in office."

I didn't state, nor would I ever believe any sane person in the GOP would set a terrorist act up. I just was curious as to what happens and who the GOP will blame.

Etarip · 11-12-2006, 12:29 AM

Nah, the elections weren't fixed. It's just a coincidence in the last three out of four elections that the control of major parts of our government come down to a few thousand votes.

Ratman · 11-12-2006, 08:26 AM

I don't think the elections were fixed. From what I've read and seen here in Asia, it seems that the Republicans really thought they were going to win.

As far as another attack, if it does happen, then the "We're fighting them over there so we don't have to fight them here" rationale kinda goes out the window. I think there would be a lot of finger pointing, but the American public would want to know what is being done here to prevent them form attacking. That's a whole 'nother can o' worms.

magictoy · 11-24-2006, 09:51 AM

This election wasn't "fixed."

The last two elections weren't "fixed."

The Democrats are just having it reinforced to them that it is a great deal easier to sit in the back row and bitch than to be the one in the position of responsibility.

shakran · 11-24-2006, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by magictoy

This election wasn't "fixed."

Or perhaps it was, but the republicans have pissed voters off so badly that even with the fix in place they still couldn't get enough votes.

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The last two elections weren't "fixed."

Then why did the CEO of Diebold promise that his machines would deliver Ohio "for President Bush?"

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The Democrats are just having it reinforced to them that it is a great deal easier to sit in the back row and bitch than to be the one in the position of responsibility.

That sounds an awful lot like bitching to me. Oh, right. You're in the back row now. People in glass houses. . .

Willravel · 11-24-2006, 10:17 AM

I kinda hope they did, to show the republicans that they can't get away with stealing an election without the dems doing the same. While I dispise the idea that anyone would steal an election, if it's going to happen, let it be equal. Now I'll sit here and wait for the Green party to steal the white house.

dcloues · 11-24-2006, 09:34 PM

I doubt it was fixed. I'm sure there were mistakes and wrongdoings, but those happen in any election. The fuss about electronic voting should remind us that it's impossible to design a perfect voting system, and that you should never have blind faith in any voting system. E-voting is particularly problematic because it's new territory and involves computers, which are notoriously difficult to get working the first time around. Regardless of whether the elections were fixed, I hope people ask questions. The more people look into the workings of the voting system, the better. The less we take for granted, the less likely it is that wrongdoings (which are inevitable) will be able to have any significant effects on the results. The fact that voting should be as simple as showing up and checking a few boxes doesn't mean that it is, or that it will be anytime soon. Democracy isn't free, and it isn't something you win and then enjoy for the rest of your life. It's a constant struggle.

tecoyah · 11-25-2006, 03:15 AM

Could it have been a failed robbery attempt?

Election Defense Alliance, a national election integrity organization, issued an urgent call today for an investigation into the 2006 election results and a moratorium on deployment of all electronic voting equipment after analysis of national exit polling data indicated a major undercount of Democratic votes and an overcount of Republican votes in congressional races across the country. These findings are an alarming indictment of the American election system in which 80% of voters used electronic voting equipment.

As in 2004, the Exit Poll and the reported election results do not add up. But this time there is an objective yardstick in the methodology that establishes the validity of the Exit Poll and exposes the inaccuracy of the election returns. These findings are detailed in a paper published today on the EDA website.

The Edison-Mitofsky media Exit Poll, posted Election Night on CNN.com, had a sample base of more than 10,000 voters, and showed Democratic House candidates winning over Republicans by an 11.5 percent margin.

The reported vote count showed Democrats winning by a 7.6 margin, 3.9 percent less than the Exit Poll and far outside the poll’s +/-1-percent margin of error. This discrepancy entailed at least 3,000,000 votes."

http://www.electiondefensealliance.org/

magictoy · 11-25-2006, 08:30 AM

Oh. Another "vast right-wing conspiracy." The Republicans tampered with hundred of thousands of voting machines.

The link to "Election Defense Alliance" was entertaining, but no more. That organization is affiliated with Democratic Underground, Truthout.org (proved to be blatant liars elsewhere on TFP) and the Velvet Revolution, among (supposedly) 129 others. My preliminary search indicated no Republican groups were partnered with them. Surely that was because there isn't a single Republican group anywhere which would ever want an accurate election count.

I was unable to find an instance of this "impartial" group investigating a close race in which a Democrat won.

The logical conclusion is that the Democrats, as greedy as ever, have yet to accept the fact that the public is not thrilled with their policies. They therefore are turning to the courts in an attempt to get what they couldn't get at the ballot box.

The Republicans, on the other hand, are acting like grownups.

tecoyah · 11-25-2006, 03:46 PM

Um, My hope is you understand this is indeed....the Paranoia section of Tilted Forums, Correct?

Had I felt this might in some way bear scrutiny, or be of relevance to actual politics in this country, Likely I would have posted it in the forum named "Politics"....yet I did not, I wonder why....heh. Please save the Partisan dialogue for people who actually care, they can be found in the second forum I noted.

Might watch a bit of comedy too, you need to lighten up a bit.

11-08-2006, 11:13 AM	#1 (permalink)
pan6467 Lennonite Priest Location: Mansfield, Ohio USA	Was the Dems win fixed. Being the paranoidal, conspiracy minded person I am, I have this gnawing in the back of my head. What if there is the inevitable terrorist attack? Do the GOP say "see what happens when you tie the president's hands"? Does Bush accept the responsibility, the GOP always blame Clinton not the GOP Congress we had. Why would the next action be any different? Would the GOP accept that it is nobody's fault, that with the freedoms we have it is inevitable, regardless of who is in power? I just have a fear that the GOP see a terrorist attack as a great saving grace for their agendas. That they could blame the new Dem Congress and people would buy it. After all, the GOP ran on the fear that if you elect the Dems, terrorists will attack. Are they setting this table? (Granted this is just my ramblings... the paranoidal, conspiracy nut in me can believe this.... do I truly believe it... no, I would hope to God the GOP power boys don't want power that bad. This is just a thought to throw out and see what others think.) __________________ I just love people who use the excuse "I use/do this because I LOVE the feeling/joy/happiness it brings me" and expect you to be ok with that as you watch them destroy their life blindly following. My response is, "I like to put forks in an eletrical socket, just LOVE that feeling, can't ever get enough of it, so will you let me put this copper fork in that electric socket?"

11-12-2006, 12:29 AM	#6 (permalink)
Etarip Tilted	Nah, the elections weren't fixed. It's just a coincidence in the last three out of four elections that the control of major parts of our government come down to a few thousand votes. Last edited by Etarip; 11-12-2006 at 12:34 AM.. Reason: Forgot midterms '02

11-12-2006, 08:26 AM	#7 (permalink)
Ratman Addict Location: Somewhere... Across the sea...	I don't think the elections were fixed. From what I've read and seen here in Asia, it seems that the Republicans really thought they were going to win. As far as another attack, if it does happen, then the "We're fighting them over there so we don't have to fight them here" rationale kinda goes out the window. I think there would be a lot of finger pointing, but the American public would want to know what is being done here to prevent them form attacking. That's a whole 'nother can o' worms. __________________ The difference between theory and reality is that in theory there is no difference. "God made man, but he used the monkey to do it." DEVO

11-08-2006, 12:25 PM	#2 (permalink)
Sticky	If the Republicans won there would be questions here about a conspiracy on the Republicans part. I guess becuase the democrats won the conspiracy questions should be raised around the Republicans as well. It is only fair, right __________________ Sticky The Stickman

11-09-2006, 07:04 PM	#3 (permalink)
ASU2003 immoral minority Location: Back in Ohio	I wonder how the Democrats will act if there is an attack as well. The spin machine would be back for the Republicans, because they can introduce bills to monitor calls, 'interrogate' captives that they think are terrorists, and other stuff. If the Dems block it, they will look soft on the terrorists. If they try and do anything that costs lots of money like screening all of the cargo, Bush can still veto it, and say that it would cost too much or they would have to raise taxes or something. If the Dems cut the funding for the war, and Iraq turns into a safe haven for terrorists, and they launch attacks on Israel and the US from there. Then you can blame the democrats. Then again, maybe if the US troops left, the people of Iraq would stand up and fight for the country they want. If the republicans had won, I think that the e-voting stuff wouldn't be used by any democrat next time. They would all vote by absentee ballot.

11-24-2006, 09:51 AM	#8 (permalink)
magictoy Crazy	This election wasn't "fixed." The last two elections weren't "fixed." The Democrats are just having it reinforced to them that it is a great deal easier to sit in the back row and bitch than to be the one in the position of responsibility.

11-24-2006, 10:17 AM	#10 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	I kinda hope they did, to show the republicans that they can't get away with stealing an election without the dems doing the same. While I dispise the idea that anyone would steal an election, if it's going to happen, let it be equal. Now I'll sit here and wait for the Green party to steal the white house.

11-24-2006, 09:34 PM	#11 (permalink)
dcloues Upright Location: Amherst, MA (Hampshire College)	I doubt it was fixed. I'm sure there were mistakes and wrongdoings, but those happen in any election. The fuss about electronic voting should remind us that it's impossible to design a perfect voting system, and that you should never have blind faith in any voting system. E-voting is particularly problematic because it's new territory and involves computers, which are notoriously difficult to get working the first time around. Regardless of whether the elections were fixed, I hope people ask questions. The more people look into the workings of the voting system, the better. The less we take for granted, the less likely it is that wrongdoings (which are inevitable) will be able to have any significant effects on the results. The fact that voting should be as simple as showing up and checking a few boxes doesn't mean that it is, or that it will be anytime soon. Democracy isn't free, and it isn't something you win and then enjoy for the rest of your life. It's a constant struggle.

11-25-2006, 03:15 AM	#12 (permalink)
tecoyah Illusionary	Could it have been a failed robbery attempt? Election Defense Alliance, a national election integrity organization, issued an urgent call today for an investigation into the 2006 election results and a moratorium on deployment of all electronic voting equipment after analysis of national exit polling data indicated a major undercount of Democratic votes and an overcount of Republican votes in congressional races across the country. These findings are an alarming indictment of the American election system in which 80% of voters used electronic voting equipment. As in 2004, the Exit Poll and the reported election results do not add up. But this time there is an objective yardstick in the methodology that establishes the validity of the Exit Poll and exposes the inaccuracy of the election returns. These findings are detailed in a paper published today on the EDA website. The Edison-Mitofsky media Exit Poll, posted Election Night on CNN.com, had a sample base of more than 10,000 voters, and showed Democratic House candidates winning over Republicans by an 11.5 percent margin. The reported vote count showed Democrats winning by a 7.6 margin, 3.9 percent less than the Exit Poll and far outside the poll’s +/-1-percent margin of error. This discrepancy entailed at least 3,000,000 votes." http://www.electiondefensealliance.org/

11-25-2006, 08:30 AM	#13 (permalink)
magictoy Crazy	Oh. Another "vast right-wing conspiracy." The Republicans tampered with hundred of thousands of voting machines. The link to "Election Defense Alliance" was entertaining, but no more. That organization is affiliated with Democratic Underground, Truthout.org (proved to be blatant liars elsewhere on TFP) and the Velvet Revolution, among (supposedly) 129 others. My preliminary search indicated no Republican groups were partnered with them. Surely that was because there isn't a single Republican group anywhere which would ever want an accurate election count. I was unable to find an instance of this "impartial" group investigating a close race in which a Democrat won. The logical conclusion is that the Democrats, as greedy as ever, have yet to accept the fact that the public is not thrilled with their policies. They therefore are turning to the courts in an attempt to get what they couldn't get at the ballot box. The Republicans, on the other hand, are acting like grownups.

11-25-2006, 03:46 PM	#14 (permalink)
tecoyah Illusionary	Um, My hope is you understand this is indeed....the Paranoia section of Tilted Forums, Correct? Had I felt this might in some way bear scrutiny, or be of relevance to actual politics in this country, Likely I would have posted it in the forum named "Politics"....yet I did not, I wonder why....heh. Please save the Partisan dialogue for people who actually care, they can be found in the second forum I noted. Might watch a bit of comedy too, you need to lighten up a bit.