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dX927 12-08-2004 10:56 PM

Dimebag Darrell R.I.P.
 
I can't believe that something like this could occur. It is just so senseless and sad. This truly is a sad day for metal and the music industry in general.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/n...clubshoot.html

MSD 12-08-2004 11:21 PM

They just confirmed that Vinnie was one of the other four dead.

edit: back from confirmed to conflicting reports.

Bodyhammer86 12-08-2004 11:26 PM

Two members of my favorite band (Pantera) are both dead. I'll have to listen to Cemetary Gates in remeberence of them.

MSD 12-08-2004 11:40 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/12/09/nig...ing/index.html

They confirmed that Darrell is dead, and didn't ID release the name of the other band member yet. Police don't release names until next-of-kin are notified, and since Vinnie was Darrell's brother, he would be the one notified, and therefore the police could release info immediately.

Eyewitnesses say that the guitarist (Pat Lachman, also in Halford and Diesel Machine,) was shot four times, which means that he's most likely the other band member who died.

The bouncer who tried to pull the gunman off of Lachman was also shot at close range.

^Ice_Bat^ 12-09-2004 12:01 AM

This is truely a sad day... not just because the world lost a legend in metal history, but because the world lost a great guy who was an inspiration to many in the business. I imagine many, like me, are at a loss for words.

alpha666 12-09-2004 12:22 AM

Just heard about this myself!! this is really a horrible day for the metal community. this guy was one of the reasons that i picked up a guitar!
damn !!!
i am lost for words! i can see that concerts are going to have to be better controled from now on.
how scary is that that people cant play shows now without wondering if they are going to get shot!!!
FUCK IT ALLLLLLLL!!!!
RIP Darrell!!

90degree 12-09-2004 02:10 AM

unimaginable...

I hadn't really given damage plan a chance.. but I was a serious Pantera fan ... no words for something like this really..

fuckn shame.

Jesus Malverde 12-09-2004 02:37 AM

What?? This is despicable. What a senseless act of violence. This is pretty big news, I was completely caught offguard when I read the post title. Hope his family is alright.

ShaniFaye 12-09-2004 04:06 AM

The news was the first thing I heard when my alarm clock went off this morning....My thoughts are with everyone involved and with the bands fans....As a teenager/adult of the 80's Pantera was one of "my" groups and this is really really sad.

GuttersnipeXL 12-09-2004 04:26 AM

Like ShaniFaye, I just woke up to this news about ten minutes ago. One of my favorite guitarist is fucking dead now. Hearing this makes me want to vomit. I was going to see Damage Plan in Albany next week too. I absolutely can't believe the world we fucking live in. Unreal

ShaniFaye 12-09-2004 04:33 AM

Does anyone realize he died on the 24th anniversary of the day John Lennon was shot?

GuttersnipeXL 12-09-2004 05:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShaniFaye
Does anyone realize he died on the 24th anniversary of the day John Lennon was shot?

Strange, but purely coincidental I'm sure. It was also the first day of Hanukah....whats it all mean ya know?

iamtheone 12-09-2004 05:25 AM

Such a talented individual.....

ShaniFaye 12-09-2004 05:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GuttersnipeXL
Strange, but purely coincidental I'm sure. It was also the first day of Hanukah....whats it all mean ya know?

Well I didnt really mean that it "meant" anything....I just thought it was an interesting sidenote

Irishsean 12-09-2004 06:06 AM

Sad...

Sign of the times and all that...

/me goes off to listen to some CDs...

gboz 12-09-2004 06:07 AM

This is so senseless and unnecessary. No regard for human life. A sign of the way this world is headed if some change doesn't happen. Here's another news link:

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20041209/D86S4U201.html

Lak 12-09-2004 06:26 AM

I shall have a whiskey for Dime, his bandmates, friends and everyone who he inspired.
You're the man Dime.

By the way, thats ONE whiskey for the lot. Not one each, or I'd be talking to the guy personally.

Glory's Sun 12-09-2004 06:49 AM

this fuckin sucks so much. I'm disgusted, sad and pissed off all at the same time. RIP Dimebag

quadro2000 12-09-2004 06:57 AM

What a senseless tragedy. My sympathies go out to all who know and love Dimebag and the band.

anleja 12-09-2004 07:17 AM

THAT was unexpected. That sucks.

Now I really wish I didn't let that girl borrow my copy of Far Beyond Driven in '98.

redlotuss9 12-09-2004 07:19 AM

People who aren't in the metal community have no idea what a blow this is. Pantera helped turn me into the person I am today. For Dimebag to die feels like a part of me dying. I am still having problems comprehending this . . . . .

gyroscope 12-09-2004 07:42 AM

i'm so shocked.this is something i can't believe.they played ashow,and wated to have fun,and then a crazy guy shoots half of the band.i cannot believe this.something like this never happened before.it's like 9/11 for the metal world

R.I.P. DIMEBAG AND PAT

Stompy 12-09-2004 07:43 AM

Is Vinnie Paul dead or not?

No story says that he is.

[edit]
and to the above, why RIP Pat? The singer didn't get shot. Where did you read that?

roachboy 12-09-2004 07:44 AM

i keep thinking about burzum....

Daoust 12-09-2004 08:01 AM

I think the bigger issue here is that someone just walked out on stage and killed people with a gun, right in front of a huge audience of onlookers. This kind of thing is happening far too often. It's almost losing it's shock value. There is something seriously wrong with a society in which this kind of thing happens. We really need to wake up. We are heading down a very very serious path...
We're all to blame. That's the scary part. In some way we all play a part in the sickness that happens in our world. We're all humans. We all are in essence capable of doing the horrific acts that we see other people do every day. And I'll be the first to admit that i don't see a real, tangible, practical way that we can put a stop to it.
How sad...

Stompy 12-09-2004 08:18 AM

Nah, people are acting like this is a sudden epidemic.

It's been happening for ages, you just never heard about it as much.

Just some loon walked on stage with a gun, shot someone, that's about it. It sucks, but it doesn't go beyond "they're a nutcase". They made a conscious choice (and being 25, you can't blame anyone but him) to shoot someone. Same with Mark David Chapman, same with Lee Harvey Oswald, John Wilkes Booth, etc.

It happens in all societies - it's called human nature. Nothing will change it short of doping everyone up and locking them in a cell. Even in the most perfect society, this will happen.

Everyone's acting like this is the apocalypse and the end of the world, but in reality nothing has changed much. The media is an attention whore, so you will be hearing a lot about these types of things from now on, whereas before they were kept hush hush.

You REALLY think columbine was the first time a kid brought a gun and shot up the students?

Shirtninja 12-09-2004 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stompy
Nah, people are acting like this is a sudden epidemic.

It's been happening for ages, you just never heard about it as much.

Just some loon walked on stage with a gun, shot someone, that's about it. It sucks, but it doesn't go beyond "they're a nutcase". They made a conscious choice (and being 25, you can't blame anyone but him) to shoot someone. Same with Mark David Chapman, same with Lee Harvey Oswald, John Wilkes Booth, etc.

It happens in all societies - it's called human nature. Nothing will change it short of doping everyone up and locking them in a cell. Even in the most perfect society, this will happen.

Everyone's acting like this is the apocalypse and the end of the world, but in reality nothing has changed much. The media is an attention whore, so you will be hearing a lot about these types of things from now on, whereas before they were kept hush hush.

You REALLY think columbine was the first time a kid brought a gun and shot up the students?

I agree with this, but as someone who enjoyed Pantera it is a sad day...

Coppertop 12-09-2004 10:28 AM

A sad day indeed. Pantera is what got me into metal in the first place. It won't be the same without them. RIP guys.

Delirious 12-09-2004 01:21 PM

Sad sad sad sad world we live in... Not only do you have to worry about terrorists, but also the guy next to you...

Zephyr66 12-09-2004 04:18 PM

yeah, RIP DimeBag

^Ice_Bat^ 12-09-2004 04:24 PM

Just a matter of time until some sick fuck puts an item on E-Bay that depicts this horrible act of senseless violence...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...946310973&rd=1

Harry Cox 12-09-2004 04:25 PM

For the record, VINNIE IS NOT DEAD! He took a bullet to the leg, but he is already at home in Texas.

I had to go out to their club today to pay my respects at a little memorial that has sprouted up. I am still stunned. Dime was a great guy, regardless of how he played guitar.

Spektr 12-09-2004 04:30 PM

Like others who posted here today, I woke up to the news that Dimebag Darrell was shot and killed only 2 hours from where I am. I was shocked. He was a true legend in the modern metal scene and his immense influence on the genre and the music industry itself is inescapable. Truly one of the most senseless, horrible events of the year.

Stompy 12-09-2004 04:58 PM

http://www.damageplan.net has a thing up for Dimebag Darrell, but they misspelled his name :rolleyes:

"Dimbag Darrell"

^Ice_Bat^ 12-09-2004 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stompy
http://www.damageplan.net has a thing up for Dimebag Darrell, but they misspelled his name :rolleyes:

"Dimbag Darrell"

Official site is http://www.damageplan.com .

Fearless_Hyena 12-09-2004 06:24 PM

EDIT: Spoiler: fuck all that noise by me, i posted a rant in this same post earlier but just redacted it here.

Dime was one of my guitar heroes. I'm really saddened by his murder and I'm not even going to bother posting in that General Discussion thread.

http://img43.exs.cx/img43/1898/dimenewsdec93oi.jpg
Borrowed from http://www.deanguitars.com/

Thanks Imageshack!

J-DaWg 12-09-2004 07:37 PM

speechless .. RIP Dime...

tspikes51 12-09-2004 07:52 PM

This makes me...speechless. I can't believe it.

WarriorBuddha 12-10-2004 06:48 AM

I was really devistated by the news as well. I told some other people I know about it and they were like "Oh. Bummer." People outside the metal world just don't know how big an influence on the industry he was. What a huge personality he was. A real tragedy.

RIP Dimebag

elydian 12-10-2004 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WarriorBuddha
I was really devistated by the news as well. I told some other people I know about it and they were like "Oh. Bummer." People outside the metal world just don't know how big an influence on the industry he was. What a huge personality he was. A real tragedy.

RIP Dimebag

Yeh, absolutely, I've been wanting to tell everyone, but I know most will be like, "oh, that's sad".

R.I.P.

ForwardtoDeath 12-10-2004 10:17 AM

Dime was one of my favorite guitarists and pantera was (and still is) one of my favorite bands. He will be missed.

brandon11983 12-12-2004 12:45 PM

I too am saddened by this. I was shocked when I heard it. RIP Dimebag, you will be missed by all of us.

Frosstbyte 12-13-2004 05:16 AM

Little late posting, but blast some Cemetary Gates and take a nice, long drink of whiskey for him. RIP Dimebag.

Tralls 12-15-2004 03:38 PM

RIP Darrell...definitely made my middle school days much more enjoyable!

"Hold your mouth for the war"

And my favorite Pantera song...

"To see, to bleed
Cannot be taught
In turn, you're making us
Fucking hostile"

pedro padilla 12-15-2004 04:52 PM

I hadda few drinks with him and Phil years ago in New Orleans. Good guys, good drinkers. Helluva sick guitar player. I did a coupla shots of Crown when I heard.
Fucked up. Very fucked up.

blitz.fenix 12-15-2004 05:46 PM

Just got into Pantera, really big shock that this could happen to such a great band :(

Fearless_Hyena 12-19-2004 09:02 AM

Whoa, check this out.
This is beyond words...and man oh man I hate when the media misreports and distorts things...this is apparently the most accurate account of what happened, from http://www.roadie.net/heroes.htm

Quote:

Today I was contacted by two local Columbus Roadies that were both eyewitnesses to the DamagePlan Shootings exactly one week ago tonight in Columbus Ohio at the Alrosa Villa club. They are members of the local stage crew in Columbus, and work several venues including the Alrosa. "Jon" is the club's stage manager and "Tubbs" is the club's F.O.H. (Front of House Sound Man) and was working monitors that fateful night as he normally did when a national act like DamagePlan played the club. Neither Jon nor Tubbs have spoken publicly until now, even though both have been contacted by several national and local news sources and have been asked for comments. They have chosen to tell their story here to make sure their words are not misrepresented or taken out of context.

Here is their story of those terrible few minutes that have changed their lives forever and taken a close friend from them in the same instant. As Jon emotionally told me, "It was the worst <deleted> thing I have ever seen in my life."

Both Jon and Tubbs said that the afternoon could not have gone any better. The band and their crew were extremely professional and friendly. Jon remembers Jeff "Mayhem" Thompson (the head of the band's security) making sure the local crew all had plenty of water and "Dimebag" Darrell Abbott even made small talk with some of them during the sound check. "They were all incredible," said Jon. During the day however, a strange man made a nuisance of himself, and was finally told to leave the area by "Mayhem." Hangers-on and Want-ta-bees are common in the music business, and no one figured this guy was really dangerous. This of course turned out to be Nathan Gale, who as we know now ended up shooting six people, and killing four of them later that day. Other than that apparently minor incident, the set-up for the show went remarkably smooth. Tubbs now also remembers that just prior to the show Gale's van was parked behind the band's tour bus, and they announced over the PA several times for the owner to have it moved or it would be towed...which the Gale reportedly did shortly before DamagePlan took the stage.

As the gig was about to start, Jon was on the stage with his roommate and close friend Erin "Stoney" Halk. On the opposite side of the stage stood Jeffrey 'Mayhem' Thompson performing his security duties by scanning the audience for any potential threats to the band. About that time (just a few minutes prior to the band entering the stage) Jon was thirsty, and decided to walk to the bar and get a bottle of water. He told "Stoney" that "the stage is yours" meaning that the responsibility for the security on that side of the stage (stage right) was now his. Stoney motioned a "thumbs up" to verify that he understood. Jon worked his way through the crowd and was near the bar when he heard the first shots. POP, POP, POP...He looked up and saw the horrific sight of Dimebag falling to the ground and the mass confusion unfolding on the stage. His most vivid memory of that moment strangely, is the ear-splitting feedback caused by Dimebag falling on his own guitar. During the next few panic filled minutes he grabbed and pushed people towards the closest door. In a blur of time he eventually ended up making his way towards the stage, grabbing Vinnie Paul Abbott (drummer for DamagePlan and the brother of the now slain guitarist "Dimebag" Darrell) and ushered him to safety.

Tubbs was stage left and watched the entire surreal event unfold just a few feet in front of him. He says he was probably the last person to talk to Dimebag having said something to him as he entered the stage. As the monitor guy for this gig, his mixing console was only about 5 or 6 feet away from the lead guitarist. According to Tubbs, the shooter (Nathan Gale) entered the stage from the stage right area (not from the audience as previously reported) As Gale determinedly ran towards Dimebag the stage right roadie "Stoney" ran after him. "Mayhem" saw Gale and converged on him from stage left. Neither one got to center stage fast enough. Gale fired at least five bullets at point blank range into the doomed artist's body. The final bullet was a fatal head shot fired as he went down. "He was dead before he hit the stage", says Tubbs. "The way the attack happened, nothing could have saved him...nothing," He also remembers the feedback (a droning hum at about 600 Hz, notes the trained ear of the audio tech)

The next few minutes were confused, but this is what else Tubbs remembers.

As Dimebag hit the floor the shooter now turned his attention to Tubbs (still only about five feet away). Gale raised the gun and aimed it at Tubbs who was now literally looking down the barrel of the gun. However, before he could shoot Tubbs, the two Roadies ("Stoney" and "Mayhem") tackled Gale from opposite sides. Neither one had a weapon, and both were putting their own lives at risk to try to stop the shooter from killing anyone else. Erin "Stoney" Halk was an ex-Marine and Jeffrey "Mayhem" Thompson was a massive 7'1'' man and a very scary looking dude, so I'm sure they both thought they had a better than even chance to disarm the gunman. They were wrong. We now know that Nathan Gale was also a trained ex-Marine and he dropped his first empty clip and slapped another one in the semi-automatic 9 mm pistol in the blink of an eye. He killed both of these heroes within seconds of his first victim. Gale had at least five clips of bullets and he reloaded at least once, but probably twice, says Tubbs. As "Stoney" and "Mayhem" died making the ultimate sacrifice, two more roadies and several members of the audience also rose to the occasion and stormed the stage. Chris Paluska (the DamagePlan Tour Manager) took a shot to the stomach, and is still in serious condition in a local hospital (according to the most recent report). John "Kat" Brooks (the band's drum roadie) also took a hit (but thankfully has now been released from the hospital). According to Tubbs, both were definitely trying to subdue Gale. About the same time several members of the audience climbed the crowd barrier protecting the stage, and some tried to help "Dimebag" with CPR while others made their own attempts to subdue the shooter. (MORE HEROES). Tubbs believes that Nathan Bray (the only "civilian" casualty) was actually killed because he was one of those fans that climbed the stage. Tubbs does not believe that any shots were directed at the fleeing audience at any time (again contrary to published media reports). While all these failed attempts of these unarmed heroes attacking an armed gunman were happening, both Tubbs and Jon noticed several police officers quietly entering the club. Most of them took defensive positions, apparently waiting for more back up. Directly disputing published police reports they both claim that the officer that eventually killed Gale was NOT the first officer on the scene. He appeared however to be the first officer that decided to do something about the situation. Seeing that Gale had a hostage and that he was temporarily distracted by the waves of roadies and fans trying to disarm him, the officer shot the perpetrator from behind with a shotgun blast killing him instantly. With that shot, the hostage was released, and the carnage finally ended. The entire incident lasted only a few minutes.

There are reports that there may be some home video of the event. Tubbs seriously doubts that. Any camcorder would have been "smuggled" into the venue since cameras were forbidden per the terms of the band's contract. Any available video images would probably come from low quality camera cell phones and would probably only be still photos. None have surfaced as of this writing, but the police may have any existing images impounded as evidence.

As you can see there is more to this story than has generally been reported. According to Jon and Tubbs there were AT LEAST SIX and possibly more TRUE HEROES that night at the Alrosa Villa club. Certainly the police officers risked their lives and deserve our thanks and accolades. Officer James D. Niggemeyer probably saved many lives by taking the intuitive and ending the bloodshed and should be duly honored for his heroics. So too should we honor Erin "Stoney" Halk (who Tubbs emotionally credits with saving his own life), Jeffrey 'Mayhem' Thompson, Nathan Bray, Chris Paluska, and John "Kat" Brooks. Heroes all. Four Roadies and a Fan that disregarded their own safety to protect others. The surviving band members and the 250+ members of the audience may in fact owe their very lives to these heroes. I know Tubbs believes he does.

Tubbs and Jon are both having a hard time dealing with the memories of that night, and they both want to remain out of the public eye. I hope that everyone respects their wishes. They both felt however that a corrected version of this event was important and should be told so that the dead and wounded can be properly honored as heroes... hence this article.

They wanted me to tell everyone that both of them, as well as the entire Alrosa crew, the local Columbus stagehands, the Alrosa club owner and employees, and the family of Erin Halk all deeply appreciate the prayers, the condolences, and the outpouring of love that has been expressed this week in response to this senseless act. They would like everyone to continue to pray for the survivors, the victims, and the victim's families (including the family of Nathan Gale).

Finally I asked Jon and Tubbs if they would stay in the entertainment business after this traumatic experience.

Without hesitation they both said... "Hell yes!"



Written by Karl Kuenning RFL

www.roadie.net



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