Led Zeppelin
 

finally i had to make a thread about one of the greatest bads of all times.
their music has this certain feeling that no other has.jimmy page is propably one of the most inovative guitar players of all times.he has reinvented music.you can hear influences of led zeppelin in almost every kind of popular music.what a pitty that john bonaham died so early,but the dvd shows what an amazing live band they were.what is your oppinion about this band?and do you think ther is any chance for a reunion?or is here even someone who saw them live?

I don't like them very much. But there's a couple songs, "Dancing Days", "Good Times Bad Times", "Black Dog", that I'll listen to. I don't care much for the vocals.

Dude, it's a lot easier if you capitalize and put spaces after the period.

Okay, I have always loved their music. In the 80's, I listened to them a lot. I saw Plant twice in 88, and he rocked, and played a little Zep too! I didnt' see Page/Plant, but heard it was really good.

As for a reunion, don't think it will ever happen.

Zep is one of the all-time greatest bands for sure. I've never seen Plant live or anthing. My favorite song by them is "Fool In The Rain"

Extreme <3 for Led Zeppelin. Over the Hills and Far Away is my favorite song.

Mine, too. As good an acoustic intro as anywhere.

They're pretty good. Most people I have lent CDs to say they have had to listen to the songs a few times before they grew on them, but after that they cannot get enough.

I love Zeppelin and always have. Jimmy Page is the man and Robert Plant has such great vocal range, but who can forget about John Bonham and John Paul Jones also. Anyway, I'd have a lot of trouble picking my favorite Zeppelin song.

Definitely a top 5 band of all time. Heavy metal would not exist without them. Zeppelin 4 is hands down one of the greatest albums ever made, well I-IV are all incredible.

I have a love on for Zep like no other band.. Have for a very long time now.

Required Listens:

Achilles' Last Stand
Ramble On
Over the Hills and Far Away
Bron-y-Aur Stomp <- Cross genre songs kick ass
Stairway
Nobody's Fault But Mine
Moby Dick <-Bonham's drums rock

feel free to add

excellent choices
may i also add

dazed and confused
going to california
babe, im gonna leave you
thats the way
you shook me (more bluesy)
since i've been lovin you

How Many More Times (from the first one) or The Lemon Song are my favorites. Whenever I listen to them I always play them a second time right after the song ends.
I actually think it's a good thing that they stopped when they did. See Metallica.

Led Zeppelin and Tool are the only bands that I can still listen to today without getting sick of their sound.

My favorites:

No Quarter
The Battle of Evermore
Tangerine
Dazed and Confused
Gallows Pole
Stairway to Heaven

my favorite song is definatly Misty Mountain Hop. There is just something about how the vocals and guitar work together in that song that I really enjoy.

i love them... and would die if they had a reunion, there is no amount i wouldnt pay to see them.

my personal favorites are Fool in the Rain, Dancing Days, Dire Maker, Black Dog, and The Ocean. I LOVE Zeppelin. The Ocean is my cell phone ring! Someday I want to form a Zeppelin cover band because I don't think I'll ever be able to make my own music sound that good.

Borrowed the Box Set from a friend a few weeks back, makes me wish I grabbed it years ago when I had the chance. A few of my favorites...

Dazed and Confused
Going To California
When the Levee Breaks
Whole Lotta Love
Stairway to Heaven
Moby Dick
Black Dog
Communication Breakdown

Kashmir and The Immigrant song are two songs that I expected to see listed here already. Shame on you guys! :)

I'm currently listening to the Page/Plant version of Kashmir and it has a very indian influence which would be good but I thought the song was near perfect already.

Zeppelin would have more than a dozen songs on my top 100 list if I were to make one. I would definately make it to a reunion concert even if it cost me a fortune.

Definitely immigrant song, great song by a great band

Totally Zep is one of the most important bands to have ever come out. Every band that came out since them has Zep to thank as they not only changed the music but changed how the music was bought and marketed.

I can't pick my fav Zep song because I think they're all great. Anyone pick up the new DVD that came out recently? If you want tos ee them live go get that DVD and it'll be an experience to remember.

they are good...i like whole lotta love

I used to hate Zeppelin, but the older I get the more I like them. Now I find myself listening to their jammin' tunes almost every day. My favorites:

Kashmir
Stairway to Heaven
Fool in the Rain
Dazed and Confused
Over the Hills and Far Away (possibly their best?)
Ramble On

there's tons more but I'm lazy

Zeppelin is definitely my favorite band. Hard to pick a favorite song since they have so many great ones but these ones always stood out for me:

Ramble On
Over the Hills and Far Away
Bron-y-Aur Stomp <------Page's guitar work in this is unreal
Nobody's Fault But Mine
Moby Dick
Dazed and Confused
Going to California <-------Probably my absolute favorite Zep tune
That's the Way
Whole Lotta Love


So many more. And the latest DVD is phenomenal!! Best music dvd I've ever seen.

you have forgotten zhe ocean.it also has a grat riff.
over the hills and far away is very good,too.it is almost impossible to pick a certain son,they are all amazing.

I'm gonna add: In My Time of Dying

I might add that the live performance on their 2003 DVD is mind blowing

I really don't have any favorites, all of their songs are wonderful.

D'yer Mak'er is one of my favorites, as well as Misty Mountain Hop.

Also All My Love, Living Loving Maid, and When The Levee Breaks as honorable mentions. I'm not even going to say some of the more obvious choices that have already been mentioned numerous times on this thread.

Whole Lotta Love inspired me too pick up the guitar 25 years ago. Seems like yesterday.

Saw Plant in Ottawa with Stevie Ray Vaughn as back up in '88. Saw Page in NYC in '83 at the ARMS benefit for Ronnie Lane at Madison Square Garden. Also saw Page in '88 or '89 in Detroit at Joe Louis arena. Plant and Page in the Skydome in Toronto in '96. For that show I was 10 rows back on the floor center stage.

One thing I am encouraged by since I make my living as a musician is that most of my students (10- 18 years old) all want to learn Zeppelin. I think that is great. IMO much of todays music is so unimaginative and uninspiring that todays kids have to look a bit deeper for something of substance. Don't anyone be offended by this, but really, if someone can play one Blink 182 song then they can play Weezer, Finch, Taking Back Sunday, Sum41 etc,etc. It's much all the same.

My favourite Zep songs to listen too as well as play;

The Rain Song
Kashmir - especially with the new drummer I jam with
In My Time Of Dying
Trampled Underfoot
Since I've Been Loving You.
Gallows Pole
Tea for One
Custard Pie
The list goes on

Also too, I've had the benefit of listening to at least 100 Zep bootlegs. For hardcore fans it really gives an insight as to the progression of the band throught the years. The Earls Court DVD? Had it on VHS 15 years ago but not as good quality. For Badge Holders Only (LA Forum '77) is still one of my favourites.

My favourite Zep site and for players, very accurate tabs. Enjoy and long live The Mighty Zeppelin.


http://www.led-zeppelin.org

At least on Zeppelin we can agree ;) That's a great site. Also,The Rain Song is my second favorite song to play on the guitar right after The Tea Party's Winter Solstice.

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All great ones listed here...one I didnt see was "In the Evening"

Definitely a good later one.

My all-time favorite band. I'd be lost without them.

I'll take all the above songs....I absolutly get off on Led-Zep.

You should know everything there is to know about:
Stairway to Heaven (I didn't really have to say that)
Rock and Roll (The direct incarnation of rock)
Dazed and Confused (Just for being awesome)
Immigrant Song (See Dazed and Confused)
Heartbreaker (For sowing the seeds that would become metal)

Those are just the bare necessities, though.

The lyrics to "Misty Mountain Hop" are quite underappreciated: "Why don't you take a good look at yourself and describe what you see -- and baby baby baby, do you like it? There you sit, spare, like a bowl on a shelf, rusting -- and not afraid to fight it?! You really don't care if they're coming?! I know. It's all a state of mind." The lyrics are hard to decipher, but once you know them, they grow on you. It's hard to imagine how that song came about. Lyrics first, then music? Or vice-versa? Surely the former.
You might be interested in the LZ article in last year's music issue of Vanity Fair. The new music issue is just out.

i'm with splck.........hard on city for Zep.........

Zep 3 just kicks my ass every time.......start to finish.

Even though there is a massive age gap... I think I would get along with flyman just awesomely... He reminds me a lot of one of my buddies I know.. Damn man, we gotta grab a pint some time

where ya at Ace........i'm into a brew.



pm me man.... :thumbsup:

Rock and Roll
D'yer Mak'er
Moby Dick
Immigrant Song
The Ocean
Communication Break Down
etc...

No particular order...

As much as I'd like a reunion, unfortunately I highly doubt that they will. Me being only 18, have never gotten a chance to see them live. :|

zoso played in my town the other day; they were awesome.


I felt like Jimmy Page and Robert Plant where actually there.


I give it 3, :thumbsup:

When I was younger (late teens, early 20's) Zep was my all time favorite band. Studio work, live recordings. I loved it all. I love the guitar work, the compositions, Plants soaring vocals. Nowadays, not so much. I rarely listen to them. I did pick up the live DVD that came out last year. Some of it still impresses me, but Page;s endless improvising leaves me cold. The parts that impress me the most about Zeppelin now (after I've been playing music myself for a few years) is Bonzo's fantastic drumming, Jones's bass playing, and the arrangements. I saw JPJ when he opened up for King Crimson a couple of years ago and he impressed the hell out of me. Fantastic musician. He and Bonzo really formed the core of Zep as far as I'm concerned. Zep wouldn't have been the same without them.

I'd have to say my favorite musician/group now is Peter Gabriel (both solo and early Genesis).

kinda hard for a reunion with the key part of the band dead and buried

poor bonzo :(

I think a reunion would be good with someone like his son, Jason. It'd be acceptable then.. but to replace him w/ a random whoever, nah.

The Doors are doing this crap with the "Doors of the 21st Century" with goddamn Ian Astbury (singer for The Cult) taking the place of Morrison. What a fuckin joke..

Agreed. Unfortunately, I dont think itll ever happen :(

But yeah, definitely my favorite band.

Zep is like Hendrix or the Stones: good, but not as great or influential as people make them out to be. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy Led Zeppelin, but they definately aren't the best band ever (nor is anybody for that matter). True, they were innovative a little bit, but saying Page is the best guitarist ever is going a bit to far. Same with Hendrix. I really just don't get how he is a "great." He didn't have outstanding skill like Vaughan or Beck, expression like Clapton, nor songwriting capabilities like Satriani.

Sorry tspikes51, but that made me laugh out loud. If you think Satriani even comes close to the songwriting accomplishments of Page, you really need a hearing test and a history lesson.

You are right there, I was thinking about Hendrix while I was writing that little bit. Page I can more compare to Curt Cobain (although Page is a MUCH better player than Cobain was): okay player, great songwriter.

He isn't a Page level songwriter, but Satriani is the most innovative soloer of all time. He invented so many techniques on Surfing with the Alien. Steve Vai would probably be in some shitty band if it wasn't for him.

"Zep is like Hendrix or the Stones: good, but not as great or influential as people make them out to be. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy Led Zeppelin, but they definately aren't the best band ever (nor is anybody for that matter). True, they were innovative a little bit, but saying Page is the best guitarist ever is going a bit to far. Same with Hendrix. I really just don't get how he is a "great." He didn't have outstanding skill like Vaughan or Beck, expression like Clapton, nor songwriting capabilities like Satriani."

i disagree with everything said in this paragraph.


Zeppelin were not only one of the most influential bands ever, they deserve every ounce of respect thrown at them.

Jimmy Page is single handedly responsible for the sound that continued on into rock and roll for 30 years, through not JUST his guitar playing. He was a master in the studio and pioneered many techniques for recording, everyone one of which is seen as small potatoes now.

Similarly, as far as skill, when he was on the ball (and off the blow/crank/sour mash) his skill surpassed his friend Jeff Beck. Hands down. And he wipes the floor with Clapton. Since I've Been Loving You/Rain Song blows away any "tears in heaven".

and SRV? Well, that was decades later, so, no comparison.


And as for satch, creativity? Long lasting influence? Yes, he is definately influential to the world of shred, but that's pretty much it. Very very few people have ever heard of Yngwie/Satch/Vai/Stump/Angelo etc outside of "guitar player" circles.


and hendrix, well, let's not get into hendrix. That would deserve a whole nother thread about his skill.

Counter-responses:

1st paragraph: You're entitled to your opinion, but what recording techniques did Page invent??? Weren't there other members of Zep???

2nd p: Have you seen any live Beck??? Obviously not, especially the Beck/BB King special. You need an education on non-radio Clapton. Listen to Me and Mr. Johnson, From the Cradle, all of Unplugged, all of his stuff with Cream, Pilgrim, and One More Car, One More Rider.

3rd p: Wrong. His releases can be traced back to '73.

4th: Surfing With the Alien is cert. Platinum.

5th: Nope. He sucks.

"1st paragraph: You're entitled to your opinion, but what recording techniques did Page invent??? Weren't there other members of Zep???"

Multi tracking, ambient micing, modern drum micing, tape echo/delay, non tape echo. You name it.

"2nd p: Have you seen any live Beck??? Obviously not, especially the Beck/BB King special. "

I have, and i own nearly every Beck album pre 1990.

"You need an education on non-radio Clapton. Listen to Me and Mr. Johnson, From the Cradle, all of Unplugged, all of his stuff with Cream, Pilgrim, and One More Car, One More Rider."

Same goes for clapton. Anything Clapton did, Pagey could do. Of course, Clapton's best work being a note-for-note copy of Freddie King's Hideaway.

"3rd p: Wrong. His releases can be traced back to '73."

And Page's can be traced to well before 66. So what? SRV was nowhere near his prime until Texas Flood/Weather or his performance on ACL. His speed and technicality surpasses Page's, but his writing does not. I have yet to hear anything with the diversity of Jimmy page. It's like comparing Yngwie to B.B. King.

"4th: Surfing With the Alien is cert. Platinum."

And how many people have heard of surfing with the alien? The most well none "shred" guy would probably be Yngwie, or Vai, because of his appearance in Crossroads.

"5th: Nope. He sucks."

Well, i can see why you have gone wrong in those other replies, you obviously have a huge lapse in judgement.

I just had a revelation: music sucked, in general, when Zep made their music, save maybe Molly Hatchet. I guess that's why they are so well-known and "influential." I just think they're overrated.

haha, that made me rofl... you're kidding right?

Okay. Here's the last shot I'm gonna take. Zeppelin was good. I've already said that. They wrote good songs, they were unique, and they had an above average skill level; but then again there are plenty of other bands that possess those same qualities. To say that Led Zeppelin was better than any other rock band ever is simply an overstatement. You said that Page invented recording techniques. Actually, I believe (having been briefly involved with studio recording myself) that almost all recording artists have almost nothing to do with running studio equipment. They did stand out in a time where rock music in general was, in my opinion, lackluster (mid-60s to early-70s).

There is one thing that I would like to point out about that is just plain wrong: How dare you say that nobody has had the diversity of Page (although I agree he is diverse), or even the success of Page at doing different stuff??? Page ONLY played rock, no matter how different his songs sounded. Then you have people like (I hate to say it again, but its true) Clapton have shown a mastery of a number of styles (ska, rock, blues, emo, country, reggae, and gospel to list a few). Garth Brooks (even though you've probably never listened to him) has mastered both rock and country. Beck (not Jeff) has mastered both rap and rock. Smash Mouth mastered ska, grunge, and pop. Pink Floyd was diverse within rock (even though I don't like them much). Ray Charles did pop, rock 'n' roll, and pop. Just because Page played a double neck, and Bonzo has a timpani and gong on his set doesn't mean that they were more diverse than anybody ever. Since you don't seem to listen to any music from the 90s on, you obviously need a lesson on the extremely short history of recording art.

By the way, Johan Sebastian Bach invented metal more than Zep did (listen to any of his fugues if you don't believe me). It just took the invention of compression and the discovery of excess gain to have it catch on, and in fact, you can hear a lot of Bach in Zeppelin's music.

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Let's stop fighting. That's my last shot, you take yours, and let us hear no more about it. I said they were good, I just refuse to say that they were the best anything ever. Let's just stop it.

"Actually, I believe (having been briefly involved with studio recording myself) that almost all recording artists have almost nothing to do with running studio equipment. They did stand out in a time where rock music in general was, in my opinion, lackluster (mid-60s to early-70s)."


but jimmy page did. he took care of the majority of the mastering and recording.

the immense drum tone on When The Levee Breaks? Jimmy's idea

the wailing echo of You Shook Me, Jimbo's idea.

Pretty much the entire "Presence Album" - page.


"Page ONLY played rock"

then you clearly havent heard enough zeppelin.


You Shook me, the rain song, bron yr aur, dancing days, no quarter, gallow's pole, kashmir, (playing the Gizmotron) on in the evening, white summer, the wah wah song, d'yer mak'er. These are all entirely different styles.

He did not come from blues roots, in fact, NONE of the band came from blues roots, like Clapton. Plant was mostly an R&B guy, Page a folk guy, JPJ a jazz-pop guy and Bonzo, well, no one knows where he came from.


and then you go on to say that Beck (who rocks) and Smash Mouth "mastered" some styles?

Then in that case; Dredg, Pearl Jam, Talib Kwali, Sage Francis, Mos Allison, The Haunted, Primus,Queens of the Stone Age, Fantomas, Les Savy Fav and a littany of other artists are all equally as credible. Don't put a skinny kid with a guitar and some turntables, and a bunch of post-grunge sellouts in that category.




"Since you don't seem to listen to any music from the 90s on, you obviously need a lesson on the extremely short history of recording art."


omg. please, go away. your ignorance is stiffling.


"By the way, Johan Sebastian Bach invented metal more than Zep did (listen to any of his fugues if you don't believe me). It just took the invention of compression and the discovery of excess gain to have it catch on, and in fact, you can hear a lot of Bach in Zeppelin's music."

i dunno. i'd hand that credit over to Wagner. Bach was pretty heavy, but Wagner kicks you in the nuts.

With Bach I was referring to his heavy use of the minor pentatonic scales and his subsequent pretty much inventing of the metal solo, which, if you know much about theory, together with some dorians, m6 and a couple other scales, make up almost all metal scales..

even if your not a fan of them, you must give them credit for what they made and their musical talent.
theyre not my cup of tea. but they still rock at what they did.

tspikes51, Led Zeppelin is not overrated.

There's just no way. Their style is exponentially beyond just "rock".. the foundation of their music is based on SO many different styles of music, it's not even funny.

There aren't very many artists that have used as much diversity in their music as Zeppelin. Well, no, some do, but they aren't very good at it. They aren't able to take each individual style and morph it into something unique and original. It's usually a blend of "here's a Zulu Tribal beat on top of some 80's German industrial". It's not a "I am well knowledgable and trained in the foundations of folk/blues/r&b/etc.. and I wanna take these and make it into a style that has never before been heard."

To prove the point, they're still relevant today. Their status is legendary and their place (and importance) in music history is equally as legendary... based on that alone, they can't be overrated. I said this in another thread, but you can personally dislike them all you want, but to say they're overrated is a gross misjudgement on your part.

I guarantee you that every modern band you enjoy has been influenced by Zeppelin in some way.

You got it all wrong though... you can't "master" music. Style exist to simply try and categorize the music that people create to express what they need to create. Some create truly unique and original music while others take what has already been established and simply build upon that. You can be good and proficient at that style, yes, but master? Not so much.

Garth Brooks (?) hasn't (and isn't) proficient in anything rock. I'm not a fan of country at all, so I won't comment beyond that. Beck mastering rap and rock? Eh... not really. He's awesome, yes, but he's not ROCK and most certainly isn't RAP. He's experimental. Smash Mouth? Hahaha... did you throw that in there for laughs? They haven't really mastered anything except how to sell well in the bubble-gum pop world. A prime example of a band that wont' be remembered 20 years from now :)

The music you hear today was essentially created by Zeppelin (amongst others, like Sabbath and the Beatles). You simply can't discredit that as "overrated".

Dude, you quite obviously haven't listened to Smash Mouth's first album, Fush Yu Mang, which was released towards the end of the grunge movement. Not pop at all.

Garth Brooks, being more knowledgable on his music than most people on the board, has shown true knowledge of rock and country music and has blended them together to create his own unique style, which is why he is the best-selling solo artist in recording history. Statistic alone: according to the RIAA, who gives out gold/platinum certifications, Garth Brooks had 99 gold/platinum albums/singles, and Led Zeppelin has had 81. Zep had 13 Diamond albums/singles (sell over 10 million copies), Brooks has 14. That has to mean something. He is truly a bona-fide artist.

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Garth Brooks is very popular, yes, but comparing RIAA sales records of bands in the 90s and 00s to bands in the 60s and 70s just isn't proper. It's also not necessarily an indicator of superior talent

Sales of current records are generally much higher than they were in the 60s and 70s, and, of course, there is a larger population making the purchases. The fact is that Brooks has a massive marketing arm behind him that dwarfs the efforts in Zeppelin's day (yes, Zeppelin had marketing, and lots of it, but not on this scale.)

Brooks also writes more easily accessible music (not a flaw, IMO), so he gets a bigger mass appeal than other bands, including Zeppelin.

Anyway, my point is that Brooks having more gold/platinum records is a huge accomplishment of course, but doesn't actually prove anything germane to this thread.
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And IMO, Garth Brooks is not rock. He's country with more of a rock feel, but he's not rock (unless you count the Chris Gaines fiasco)

Brooks actually has influenced my, and modern country's music a lot more than Zeppelin has, even though I started listening to Zep before Garth. What I am trying to say, and have been trying to say is that to say that Led Zeppelin is the most influential band ever is an overstatement.

Having had something to do with the recording industry and as someone knowledgeable of music, my only comment is that recording industry stats regarding album sales is an estimation. In other words, no one really knows exactly how many albums are sold mainly because it is impossible to track. Record companies often inflate sales to promote more sales. Retailers inflate/advertise to bring in people. Magazines pump the hottest thing to sell magazines and sometimes their estimates are off. You want to really see how many records are sold? Talk to the artists, they'll tell you just by looking at financial statements.

One thing of note also. Album sales also include singles. Dan Hill who wrote, "Sometimes when we Touch" was a huge single that sold millions. The rest of the album,...nothing. The single sold, the album didn't. Garth Brooks released single after single after single which naturally is going to push up record sales. Led Zeppelin didn't release singles. If they had, for "Stairway" alone, they would have probably doubled their total sales.

One of my all time favorite bands, and I would love to see them back together as well.

Ok, you just changed the debate, you realize that right? Nobody is saying Led Zeppelin had a greater influence on country music than Garth Brooks. What people are saying is that Zep had a huge influence on rock music. You may disagree (though you have an awfully "I'm smarter than you" attitude about it, which you may need to work on), but please try to argue the points that are actually in contention.

Hm, people tend to change that statistic for some reason. Best selling solo-artist in history? I've heard that about this person, that person... madonna, Britney, Usher, you name it, they've said, "They're the best selling artist".

Record sales don't mean anything in today's music industry. Tons of horrible artists that won't even be remembered 5 years from now who aren't even ... a fraction of a percent as influential as Zeppelin sell millions of records. 10 years ago you could've compared sales, but not so much these days. Your stats on Brooks' sales are WAY off.

Go ahead, compare Led Zeppelin's sales to Brooks any time (even though it's irrelevant) :) What's funny is, I see a few Zep CDs that have sold double diamond (20 million +) [nevermind, just one].

http://www.riaa.com/gp/database/default.asp

Sorry, I can't stop laughing at Smash Mouth. Nothing against you, I'm just still trying to figure out why they've been brough up as opposed to a more relevant and talented band such as Alice in Chains or even Nirvana. I have a VERY hard time believing that Smash Mouth will influence good bands in the future.

Brooks? Sure. I don't listen to country, but I'm certain Brooks will influence more people than, say, Billy Ray Cyrus.

Zeppelin without a doubt 'one' of the best bands ever. imho :)

Are you tryng to say that Garth Brooks has influenced more people than Zeppelin?! You're nucking futs. Led Zeppelin changed the face of rock music. They created music the likes of which had never been heard before. Brooks just churns out the same old country crap that makes true country legends like Johnny Cash puke.

My fav led zep songs

Hot Dog
Whole Lotta Love
Hearbreaker
Fool in the rain
hey hey what can i do
the ocean
babe i'm gonna leave you

I don't like reunions and they are one of my favorite bands. Probably my album is Led Zeppelin IV.

Was just clearing out some of my bookmarks and came across this site. Don't know if this was in the thread but has lots of stuff for the Zep fan here.

http://www.buckeye-web.com/

Almost forgot. For Plant fans, I believe he is starting his tour March 11 in Tulsa (?) then going on from there

Also Zep are getting a lifetime achievement award at the Grammy's if anyone is interested. Don't think they will play though and that's a shame.

Plant is playing a small venue here in Dallas on March 14th. I can't wait for that show.

Excellent choices. Kashmir is just so... well, you all know already.
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And I cannot believe that Garth Brooks has been invoked in a Led Zep thread. Priceless.

the smash mouth is even better....

god, smash mouth and zeppelin being compared, that's sad. :(

I was too young to see the Original Zep... but I did see Page and Plant on tour... Mind you Zep was never my favorite band just one of my top 10 or so and I mean absolutely ZERO disrespect by that statement. I thought the Page/Plant concert was one of my top 5 concerts of all time... And yes they are one of the most influentual and important bands in the Rock genre.... long live the Gods of Heavy Metal!!

Before I begin, I would like to emphasize heavily that I adore Led Zeppelin, and I would stake my...I don't know what...here we go with the Devil's Advocate:
Firstly, I saw Plant opening for the Who in 2000 - his voice is shot. Very very far from the screaming golden god we all love. I would suggest that this is from his early singing habits, which were sort of uncontrolled. I love his voice in the early days but that kind of singing kills your voice, the muscles aren't really set up to take that strain.
A reunion therefore would probably not work out, and my concern would be that the performance Plant delivered on "Rock and Roll" and the Who show would be the one he delivered in the reunion.
Nextly, Page is an amazing guitarist. I as a guitarist bow to him, and I cannot even begin to pick apart his solos. But, I must say that his technique live is very very sloppy. His ideas are coherent and awesome, but there must be like 10% more solo in all those flubbed notes. On the other hand, his Bach style solos are immaculate and the same with the Arabic type solos in Black Mountain Side/White...something, and the live breakdown of Heartbreaker - so maybe sometimes his mind works faster than his fingers
Jones and Bonham - I have no complaints, the two are one of the most solid rhythm sections ever, seriously ever!!!
As far as Clapton, I was able to master his solos in the first 5 years of my playing. All of them, without tabs. That doesn't mean he sucks, but as I still can't do that with some Zep solos, I have to tip my hat to Page.
Also, Page is a lot less sloppy than Hendrix.
Songwriting wise, I think Zep songs are about the best I've heard. And the knowledge they had of other genres is astounding and very clear. That being said, I think they would have gone in an artistic direction we all dislike at some point - case in point Puff Daddy's "Come With Me".

thats all for me

i must be the only one who enjoyed Puffys come with me.
i felt it was refreshing to add stuff to an old classic, although i tend to skip kashmir when i listen to their music as it never really goes anywhere for 8 minutes while a lot of the other longer pieces build up and take off

what about the rumors of some world tour with Page/plant John Paul Johnes and the son of bonham!??

Page is a brilliant guitarist, but that doesn't necessarily constitute innovative - doing 5minute long solos at a live show gets boring for me. I would be inclined to say that Jimi Hendrix is much more innovative although (maybe) less technically proficient.
(I'm not saying that Led Zep are a bad band, I do like a bit to relax to, and have all of their albums etc, but I just would have to say I think Hendrix is more innovative)

page was QUITE innovative. reading up on his recording and studio process shows you that.

one of the pioneers of mulit-tracking, and made many modern micing techniques.

as well as a very very diverse player...

I didn't know that, but I still feel Hendrix's style was more innovative if not the most innovative.

What about that totally rippin' guitar work on Screeching Weasel's "I Hate Led Zepplin"?

I find that I enjoy the songs written primarily by Jimmy Page to be the best. When the whole band is in on it, they start to sound cluttered and I don't enjoy them nearly as much.

I just got IV. Haven't listened to it through yet. Looking forward to it.

Page is actually credited with creating reverse echo. EVerything else was around when he started, but all him time in the studio as a session musician definitely gave him an edge over other bands at the time. He knew how to use the tools of the trade to his advantage. Whereas other bands just left it up to the studio engineers to capture their performance, Page took an active interest in the recording and mixing process and used it to shape the bands sound on record.

he put ALOT of work into perfecting a sound in the studio. spending hours trying to find the exact mic locations.

he is also credited with ambient micing of drums. before this kick drums were mic'd close up, sounding weak, hollow etc. but jimmy moved the mics back, and got a very very powerful sound for bonzo's kit.

Page was definitely good at using anything and everything to capture the perfect sound.

Little trivia bit: "When The Levee Breaks", the drums were recorded in a hallway. They had tried the song before, but never captured the right sound. One day when they were moving equipment, the drums were sitting in a hallway and Bonzo started playing them. Page immediately mic'd him and started the tape rolling with the band in one room, Bonzo in the hall.

There's something wholely unique to Zeppelin's music that I could never put my finger on. I was never really into metal or really any kind of rock. When I was young, I heard Dazed and I almost passed out. I must have listened to Dazed and Confused like 30 or 40 times.

I finally bought the Led Zeppelin Complete Studio Recordings back in '93. I reccomend it to anyone who can afford it and who really appreciates Zellepin.

1. Buy "complete recorings" set
2. Buy "DVD"
3. Go to http://www.royal-orleans.com/

Those people there know 5000 times more than any of us about Zeppelin. A REAL discussion group, not some fan-boy forum, like led-zeppelin.com

Led Zeppelin is right up there with the Beatles I think.

I wouldn't go that far. I've been into Zeppelin for almost 30 years and I see just as much misinformation on that site as with others. It's nice to hear input from those who worked for the band though. I think if it weren't for them, that site would be identical to the rest.

Over the Hills and Far Away is one of my favourites. I have been learning it. I tell you the pull offs are hard on an acoustic. but my electric makes it all good.

Cool. Great song to play. The last 4 bars harmonizing an F#7 arpeggio totally make the tune as well as the odd time meter. Some nice low register stuff as well.

After I learned to play that song, I didnt stop for a couple months. Great song to play on acoustic if you can get those hammer on/offs down.
:thumbsup:

Zeppelin rocks. Nuff said.

Hooootttttttttttttttt DDDooooooggggggggggggg

Dont forget Kasmire

After a few months and lots more Zeppelin listening, here is my current favorites:

Ten Years Gone
In My Time of Dying
White Summer

The songs aren't all that bad, but the vocals just really take me out of it. But there are just some songs tat are great. I feel that sometimes the way the lyrics are delivered is very weak. and page's guitar work in my opinion doesn't even come close to Gilmours guitar work.

your talking about two completely different styles of music.
if you take any one piece of the zeppelin machine out. the band wouldnt of been close to what it was.
floyd did some shuffling and was essientially the same sound.
you couldnt do that with zeppelin.
both were infuckingcredible bands of there time, but to compare the guitar work of eachother cant work.

ye you are right. but personally, zeppelin just never clicked with me to the same exten that floyd did. to each his own.

How The West Was Won is the best live rock concert album EVER. How can I emphasize this more?

Zeppelin and the Stones took black southern American blues and put them to electric guitar (and their own special treatment). Zeppelin is the one band that I have listened to slavishly over four decades. I think the first three albums are untouchable as far as electric blues are concerned.

And NOBODY speaks ill of Jimmy Page while I'm in the room.

Rent How The West Was Won today, and tell me what you think.