GakFace

This is from my deadjournal. I may be wrong in this, but I can't remember any other bands that made the style popular and big... and that style is quite obvious today. I know that there have been a few other groups that did Rap, but the music wasn't the normal 'Rap Style' but I can't think of a group where they had Rock music.. some singing, and then some Rap as well.
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Why is it that people will go through their music and when they get to this group they say, "I WAS YOUNG..." and pawn it off as a sorry excuse for a group that they should never have bought?

I mean.. I honestly don't get this... Limp Bizkit was one of THEE first bands to do the Rock/Rap twist... heck they might have created this twist. If we look at most popular Alternative/Rock groups out there right now... How many of them aren't Rap/Rock? (Rock/Rap - the front is the one that there is more of.. mainly though its Rock music and Rapping..) There are a TON of bands that use this style, and yet it was done originally by Limp Bizkit. Shouldn't people point to this group and thank them for what they had achieved? They broke-through into a new genre of music. Why poke fun at them, when they are the basis for the music for most of the people that make fun of them?

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filtherton

I think for many people, the jury is still out on whether rap/metal was ever a good idea. That being said, i think ice-t was doing it long before fred durst picked up a tattoo gun. Check out the soundtrack to "judgement night", if anyone remembers that little gem of cinema.

Jadey

many also think it started with Faith No More -- though I don't see it.

RATM were around before Limp Bizkit too. A case can be made for Anthrax and Public Enemy getting the ball rolling with "Bring the Noise"!

Oh, and I love the "Judgement Night" sdtk! The song "Just Another Victim" rulez!

sadatx

What about the Beastie Boys who started in the punk underground? Wouldn't you say the roots of rap/rock started with them? ("No Sleep 'Til Brooklyn", "Fight for your right to party", come on, tell me these aren't the beginnings of rap/rock).

Or, more to the point, with the Beasties and Rick Rubin?

Rubin used the Beasties first Def Jam album for his signature blend of rock meets hip hop production.

Then there was, of course, Run DMC's (also on Def Jam) "Walk This Way" with Aerosmith. Anthrax brought the noise with Public Enemy (also of Def Jam) a few years later. (Also, as filtherton pointed out, the soundtrack to "judgement night" tried to capitalize on the rap rock mix).

So the stage was set for someone to really combine a rock band with a rapper on vocals. And, of course, we know who was the first to do this:

That's right Urban Dance Squad.

"Urban Dance who? What crack have you been smoking?"

No, seriously, check them out. They were, as far as I can tell the first to come out with an album that mixed rap and rock (and a shitload of other styles) within the same band. And they came out with their first album in 1990 (if anyone remembers the minor hit "Deeper Shade of Soul", well that's them).

To obscure? Well what about Ice-T?

"What?" You say. "New Jack City Ice-T? When did he do rap rock?"

Well, remember the scandal with his song "Cop Killer". That was off his album Body Count that he made with his metal band of the same name. Now was it good? Not my favorite. Was it rap/rock in the truest sense of the term? Kind of. But the point is that it was a hybrid and it came out five year's before the Bizkit's first album.

We can also go back a year before to a completely different example: The Red Hot Chili Peppers "Blood Sugar Sex Magik". Sure, they were more funk than rock, but if Anthony Kiedis isn't rapping, I don't know what he's doing.

And going back further, what of Faith No More? Not really rap/rock yet, but close.

So none of these examples were quite the same as Limp Bizkit, you might be saying, so a case could still be made for their influence. But who did they influence? I can't think of anyone.

Faith No More, Primus, Rage Against the Machine, Nine Inch nails, 311, Sublime, Incubus...and many others I can't think of at the moment. All these bands influenced the new wave of alt-metal-pop-rap that you see in the likes of Evanescence, Linkin Park, etc.

And if you think about it Kid Rock came out at the exact same time as Limp Bizkit (so did Insane Clown Posse, and even though they suck, they are rap rock). So Limp Bizkit wasn't even the first of they're little niche (and they're not even innovative, Durst just took the exaggerated Beastie Boys style of rap and crossed it with Korn-like metal riffs).

Okay, I'll end the rant here, and honestly I actually like some Limp Bizkit songs (they maybe idiotic songs, but Durst does have a talent for creating catchy hooks). However, whenever someone calls Limp Bizkit pioneering (and it's happened more than once) I just get irritated. Because, honestly, they're anything but. Durst just has a good pop sensibility and was in the right place at the right time, end of story.

World's King

Two bands...

311
Phunk Junkies



Don't forget.

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castex

Mordred were pioneers in rap-metal, as far as I'm concerned. They were great at Newcastle Riverside, until the drummer projectile vomited all over everthing and had to go off to bed.
Limp Bizkit invented, um; they've a canny guitarist.

btw, Good call, Jadey

RoboBlaster

You all make good points, rock/rap had been done before, but it was mostly done in an experimental fashion. Limp Bizkit did manage to break through and make it a popular form of music. Personally, I think it's all crap nowadays, but the current trend, though it had been tried before, was kicked off by Limp Bizkit.

mercury-hg

thanks sadatx! you saved me from making a similar (but probably more irate) response

KWSN

311 have their moments.

I hate Phunk Junkeez personally, the last thing we need is yet another light-rap-metal-college-rock-band that sing about pot and beer (and just about nothing else noteworthy).

Maybe it's just me.

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sadatx

I know what you're saying, but I think even that's giving them to much credit. Kid Rock came out with "Devil without a Cause" a year before "Significan Other" hit.

They were just one of the bands in the emerging trend that was rap rock. Of course they went on to become one of the bestselling groups of the genre. And that's pretty much why we're having this discussion at all.

00111000

Alls I know is that Anthraxs' "Im the man" kicked a whole lotta ass back in 87 or so....

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YaWhateva

RATM was way better than any of that crap.

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cockmonger

I believe Deftones were the first to experiment with beat like drum patterns and rapping...or at least it sounded the best...if you listen to fred and chino back to back, you can feel fred's attempted emulation. Though all the other bands mentioned were stepping stones into this PIMP ROCK revolution...it's funny how ALL thier music sucks when they try to stray away from it.

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YaWhateva

um, no it doesnt. not at all. Audioslave is pretty good, and zach de la rocha, the singer from RATM, has a good voice. Beautiful World is a great song, not exactly singing but different than the rest of RATM's stuff.

And the Deftones first cd, Adrenaline, came out in 1995, while RATM's self-titled cd came out in 1992. and there other bands with this style of music even before that.

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cockmonger

my point is that music was different...you can't really compare a song like Head up by the Deftones to Bulls on Parade, The music diplayed by Deftones is an evolution of any precedents, as i said RATM was as much a stepping stone as Anthrax or the whole public enemy/aerosmith thing.

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nash

As sadatx mentioned above, Aerosmith and Run DMC's remake of "Walk This Way"(1985) was the very first collaboration of rap and rock. It introduced many whites to rap/hip hop and many blacks to rock (in the "modern" era). Also, Kid Rock "came out" before Limp Bizkit did.

Rawrr

was a big Limp Bizkit fan when Three Dolla Bill Yall came out and Significant Others was alright but it all went down hill after that..anyway why I quoted you was because you mentioned Significant Others before 3 Dolla Bill Yall which imo kicked off there rock / rap metal careers.

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sadatx

Certainly, you could make a strong case for that.

But in my opinion they really didn't skyrocket until Significant Other, that's why I mentioned it instead of 3 Dolla, even though the Faith remake (which I like) was on 3 Dolla. Also, I think their first album was heavier on the rock/metal than the rap.

That said theri first album was responsible for building their core fan base, so you make a good point.

nate_dawg

just because they are the basis for some "genre", doesnt mean that you have to like said genre, or respect the fact that they were the "first" to do some crappy music you dont want to listen to anyways.

wasnt kid rock doing rap/rock in the early 90's too? the song emsp comes to mind, but that was really just rap........

TheClarkster

Amen. They definetely have that rock/rap feel to them.

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h2ogo69

red hot chili peppers , faith no more, nine inch nails, beastie boys, ice t, and run dmc... i believe those were really the first to do this rap rock thing right
best know example would prolly be

rhcp - suck my kiss ... but they were doin that shit way b4 check out anyhitng pre-frusciante for better examples of it

faith no more - epic

nin - down in it

beasite boys - u gotta fight...

ice t - cop killa

run dmc - king of rock


those would prolyl be the more popular examples of it it really started in the 80's not the mid to early 90's like everyone thinks

Polyphobic

LMAO
I think I'm in the wrong thread.

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BoomTruck

Fred Durst is a dork.


There. That was on topic.

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