noahfor

i never said i hated them for being popular, i said i hated that they were popular, and i have heard countless hours of all kinds of rap, so i dont need to be exposed to anymore of it, i have access to almost all of the artists cited in this post right now at my girlfriends house

Strange Famous

Wow, you must have listened to every hip hop track ever made to come to that opinion. Thats great.

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Strange Famous

some meaningful lyrics...

SONG TITLE: Crack Pipes
ALBUM: Sage Francis - Personal Journals
WRITTEN BY: Sage Francis
PRODUCED BY: Sixtoo

I'd give a 21 gun shot salute...
With the toy rifle that you bought me, but it won't shoot.

And all is well, because there's been one too many shots.
The sterile robots want to talk to me about detox.

Stop the presses. There's been an update via 1:30 AM phone call.
When an only half-informative source talks discretely...

Meet me...at the family room on the side of the intensive care unit.
Immediately...I'll carry a tune, but the siren's so loud I can't hear my music.
Keep free...of negative thoughts. Everything'll be fine we all assumed.
That is would go back to the way things were. That it would go back to normal soon.

I saw the moon in a way that I'd never seen it before when I looked up that night,
Into the sky...wondering why...looking for answers. Guess I ain't asked right.
I'm guessing most of y'all out there know exactly what that's like.
What that's like. Tell me...what's that like?

It's like a whirlwind of emotions that occurs when moms and dads fight.
It's like when a girl grins and a motion of hers that holds your arm and grabs tight.
Hurl him into the ocean. One of those cold sweat, heat flash types.
But extreme fluctuations and temperature changes have been known to crack pipes...
Crack pipes...
crack pipes.

Meet me...halfway and I'll go that extra length just to help your strength.
Meet me at the AA meeting, needing to take more than 12 steps.
Bring me to your hiding place so I can face your vice grip.
I'll chisel every single monkey off your back with this ice pick.
Come meet up with me on the sidelines when the game is over just to say hello.
Then afterwards...backstage...to let me know that you enjoyed the show.
Then go to Grandma's house for Sunday dinner. Sit at the head of the table.
Take away the fatal flaw you made the day before I seen you bleed.

Meet me...on Christmas Eve. We can fight but make up before you leave.
Make visits with the rest of those who rest in pieces of my dreams.

Meet me at the fork in the road where the lost souls get indecisive.
Meet me at the crossroads so I can have someone to walk into the light with.

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Derwood

A rap song with a single, well constructed idea?

"Lose Yourself" by Eminem.
"Stan" by Eminem.

Two fantastic songs that illustrate a very specific story. "Lose Yourself" is about what it's like to perform on stage for the first time. "Stan" is about an obsessed fan. Both are extremely well written, well conceived, and well produced.

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noahfor

I forgot that I really like some stuff on the newest common album.

Prince

I don't really care one way or another about rap... I've heard one or two songs by rappers that I thought were pretty good, but it's not something I'd choose to listen to intentionally.

I think most rap gets ruined by all the bullshit hype that goes around it...but then that may be the case with all popular genres...either way, I never could figure out why rap videos always seem to have lots of gold jewelry, black broads in bikinis shaking their asses and acting as if they'll suck anyone's cock, and then the "band" members pointing various fingers at the camera. I mean, if you want to say something, say something. None of this crap means anything.

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SixEdxMia

So..I shouldn't say this but...
*R*etards *A*ttempting *P*oetry.

What the hell happened to the beasite boys?!?!

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kl0pper

^ people got over the fact that they were white and realized they sucked

most of the complaints about rap in this thread are only applicable to popular rap
popular anything sucks... if you dont like rap, you dont like rap, its understandable
but if you think you would like rap if it didnt have x or y, then dig deeper...

wordssmith22

beastie boys are coming out with a new album, to the 5 boroughs, i think.

and i can't think of a legitimate reason why popular rap videos these days are the way they are.

Smimpinj

This physically pained me to read.

The only rap I like= Beastie Boys, KRS-1, RUN DMC, Grandmaster Flash, and Blackalicious.

noahfor

it sells

although you said legitimate

silent_jay

I only like Westside Connection ,or maybe new or old NWA, ya the true gangster shit, not these punks of today.

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BigGov

The problem is many of the songs just can't be played. Hell, some of the best songs ever done in rap couldn't even possibly be played on MTV or radio because of the censors. Since the Janet Jackson incident it's damn near impossible for anything to get by those tight-asses.

What does that leave? A generic filler that has the same lyrics but a different beat.

For example, I've listened to both of D12's cd's tonight. Out of 30 songs, only one could be played on TV or radio without heavy editing, and that's "My Band". "American Psycho" "Pistol Pistol" "Revelation" "Git Up" "40 Oz." "American Psycho II" If any of those were to become singles they would be edited so far they might as well just cut out all of the lyrics and just play the beat. As a result you get either a joke track, or a cookie cutter copy of an edited song.

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Rubyee

I hate rap!

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Polyphobic

I have very little tolerance for rap. The only positive thing it has done for me is reclassify opera and country music as actual genres. Besides, most of us learn to rhyme in elementary school. Why is that such an amazing concept? If I want to listen to something that rhymes, I will go to a poetry reading.

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noahfor

yea, thats something i hate about it too, the hype around rhyming, since when is rhyming so cool and difficult, its rhyming

NotMinus

Claiming all rap is shit is like hearing your buddy cleatus play his pocket violin and throwing every great peice of classical music out the window from the last two centuries. You seem to think its okay to dismiss album recommendations as worthless because they are all the same? then why the hell would you make this post if you refuse to have a disscussion about the merits of hip hop as medium. So far in this post you seem to be completely closed minded to other peoples opinions and only refer to other posts that reinforce your ideas. If you are willing to have an intelligent nad respectfull disscusion, let me know and I have a number of artists and lyrics I would enjoy speaking to you about.

Polyphobic

Yikes!
In defense of myself, my very little tolerance does exclude several rap artists that I find interesting.
Eminem is humorus. Run DMC and Public Enemy are classics. Besides those artists I find the genre very unexciting.

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idiono

All punk music has hard to understand vocals and loud, grating guitars.
All classical music is just a bunch of violins and flutes.
All jazz has stupid saxophone melodies.
All country songs are about drinking, your lady leaving, your truck rolling down a hill or your dog dying.
All heavy metal is nothing more than thrashing drums and guitars and people screaming.
All pop music is bubbly and pointless except to 13 year olds.
All techno sounds so fake and anybody can do it on their computer.
All rap is crap and is about bitches, guns, rims, and ice.

Blah blah blah blah blah none of it is true and claiming to 'know rap' because you've heard of a few mainstream groups does nothing to further your cause or make you anymore credible. To be perfectly honest, this thread is pointless hatred spurned by negative generalizations and is mostly worthless.

This is not an attackon the people in this thread. I just have to get this off my chest. Peace.

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noahfor

I never said all rap was shit, just that I hate it all. There is a difference. I do generalize, because I hate rap in general, but then you make assumptions like assuming I think I know rap because I have heard a few mainstream rap groups. We're not perfect. All hatred is pointless, anyway. If I were designing humans I'd probably leave it out, but whoever designed me didn't, and here I am ranting about how much I hate rap. All rap is rap, and I hate rap. I have no cause by the way. I'm not trying to persuade anyone not to like it. I've said it many times in this thread: there are many rap acts that I like, but in general I hate it. I'm not saying it's bad. Alot of it is probably good, but I hate it for reasons other than the quality of the sound.

Chingal0

If all hatred is pointless, then would your 'hating' rap be a pointless opionion? If it were, then why are we still talking about it?

I dislike most rap, but there are a few exceptions. Same with everyone. Noone likes everything, and if there are people that exist that like everything, they should be shipped to Taiwan.

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noahfor

Yea, my hating rap is pointless. However, talking about it serves a point. It releases the steam. You know.

NotMinus

Can we get a lock on this bullshit post?

Esoteric

Listen to underground.

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DownwardSpiral

The last time we had a thread about rap and why it's good or bad the same thing happened. . . I know I'm the one who started the thread. But, I'll post my opinion anyway. 'Gangsta' rap as it is called is pretty stupid, in my opinion. I could honestly care less about some guy talking fast about his 'bling bling' and his 'ho's' and his cars, money, yaya etc. 'Gangsta' rap, mainstream rap whatever you wanna call it, in my opinion it's trash. Now don't get me wrong, last time ppl misinterpreted, I am not saying all rap is stupid, just the mainstream garbage that I hear. As far as the other rap goes, I myself am not interested in it, but to each his own, it's not my thing, though. Rap dosen't really appeal to me.

Until we meet again. . .

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BigGov

The mainstream of almost every genre is garbage, so why single out rap?

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Rawrr

very true!

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boom29

It's hard to really have an appreciation for it unless you actually try it yourself. It takes a lot more than being able to rhyme in order to be a good MC. Just because we know how to write doesn't mean that we are any good at it. In part, that's why it's "amazing" to hear a person that can really flow. We can all rhyme, but there's only so many people that can do it off the top of their head, make sense, and make you go "damn!."

I lot of mainstream rap is made to make money, not necessarily to show off the lyrical skills of the rappers/artists. Accordingly, the lyrics suffer, making people assume that all you have to do to be able to rap is to make sentences rhyme. With practice, anybody can take a pre-written rhyme and spit it out, but that doesn't mean they are going to do it well. It's not just about getting the lyrics out, there's also delivery, tone and style. Also, many talented MCs go unheard, partly because record companies look for artists that can sell.

You should download a few freestlye battles to see for yourself the things MCs can do.

gigawatz

Well, from the sounds of this, sounds as you would have to encapsulate Techno into this hatred. I am not a huge fan of Tech but, I can tolerate it. However, Rap, I dislike it, nor do I desire to venture into anything outside of the "Popular" cause the face that the radio shows is not appealing. Does that make me arogant? Maybe, but then I really don't care. Take that as you will.

This is not pointed to anyone here, but I think my dislike with rap is in the listeners more than the music. The "G's" and "Buster" types I don't have too much tolerance for and that most likely infulences my opinion about the music more than anything. Growing up inner-city could have that effect on anyone, or the complete opposite. I just don't like how they carry / present themselves to the world. That being said, to clarify, I'm talking about the "I'm packing / short-tempered / the type that if you say or do the wrong thing to me you're gonna get shot without warning / debate" I don't know of many other "types" that have that ominous presentation of themselves.

I'm not saying that everyone that listens to rap has this way of presenting themselves, but with my exposure, it appears to be moreso than not.

However, as far as a thread goes, I'd have to agree w/ most here, this thread was pointless to have been started if you don't either want to participate and defend your so publicly made oppinion or be open to the suggestions that you oppinion is destined to cause.

Just my .02

Disclamer: I do and did not intend to come off as a flamer...if so I appologize, just needed to explain myself as clearly as I know how to prevent ambiguity.

filtherton

Your favorite band sucks.

Jeff

I've noticed lately that the mainstream rap can be compared to the boy bands of several years ago. Mainstream rap dominates TRL and 12 year old girls love it. So I hope it goes away. That's being said, listen to more Eminem, Aesop Rock, Blackalicious...don't just listen to what MTV tells you to.

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wordssmith22

??

this seem to contradict each other. have you heard eminem lately? he's become the mainstream act that he has criticized for so long.

Jeff

Sure, he's pretty mainstream, but his solo albums are amazing. And that song you've heard lately is done with D12. It sucks, but it's not his solo work.

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Polyphobic

Well, my brother loves rap and up to a certain time so did I. Thus, this invalidates your premise. It simply comes down to this, I understand that people enjoy rap. I don't.
Good old 80s- and some 90s rap is unique IMO. I can't say that all rap is shit. It just isn't for me. Besides, I have musical tastes that would make the average rap listener's hair fall out in protest. Like Skinny Puppy or some Pigface. Then there's my metal bands that pretty much don't have any musical talent. So, to each his own.

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Xepidemic

AGREED!

noahfor

Then don't read it.

Polyphobic

I'm afraid that I'm going to have to agree with Xepidemic and Notminus. This is getting pointless. Maybe someone should start an "I hate rock" thread. Of course, that will just degenerate into this thread.
Now if we had discussed the merits (postives and minuses) of rap or hip hop, it would be a different story.

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noahfor

Yea, I started this thread, and I'm sick of it. It's brought nothing but pain. I'm a moron. My opinons are ill formed, and not fit to be expressed.

NotMinus

Then do not post it. I read disscussion forums beacuse I want to learn something new, see a new perspective or get insight from someone else. It is completely unacceptable to post in a disscussion forum and then simply ignore and dismiss posters who have taken the time to read what you have written and responded back to you. It shows no respect to the people who's opinons you have asked for.

a_divine_martyr

You ever listen to Twiztid?

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