Glory's Sun

thanks for the update. I had actually forgotten about this album release. Shame on me!!

optik_nerve

Where am I going to be 3 weeks from now? Sleeping in front of Circuit City.

Well, I won't go that far but I'll definately pick it up.

Stompy

Album art (looks legit). Stereogram type of deal. Neato!

<img src="http://mixtapecollective.org/img/toolleak.jpg"/>
<img src="http://mixtapecollective.org/img/toolleak2.jpg"/>

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kutulu

They did a very good job at preventing leaks with their last album also.

Stompy

Yeah, but there's always a failure point about 3 weeks away from release since millions and millions of CDs need to be made.

It's nearly impossible to stop someone from getting a copy somewhere, somehow.

I'm just curious as to why/how it hasn't leaked! It just intrigues me.

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saut

here's 30 seconds of vicarious that was streamed on a local radio station:

http://media.putfile.com/Tool---Vicarious---30sec-Clip-

very promising

Bacchanal

I'm excited about music again! I absolutely can not wait for this album!

Stompy

Single is up on alt.binaries.mp3 !

It's real and it's GOOD.

Seriously, I've listened to it for the past two hours straight and it's really REALLY good.

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noahfor

The beginning sounds exactly like the patient, and then later on it sounds just the middle part in schism, then the schism part ends just like the middle part in stinkfist, also that little xylophone or whatever is straight from a midnight movies song, also a little the grudge here and there, and maybe a little intolerance.

best use of a jackhammer in a song ever though.

Glory's Sun

I heard Vicarious yesterday..holy fuck it was awesome.

A radio station around here is playing that song all day today. The song is badass, but I'd rather hear a bunch of different TOOL songs all day with Vicarious mixed in throughout the day.

Definately going to get this album.

kutulu

But that's all radio stations do. They can't keep somehting fresh, they add it to the playlist and play the fuck out of it.

I heard it yesterday on the way to work. Only caught the last half of the song. I new it must be Tool because of the sound of the drums. Awesome

saut

whole album has leaked, downloading now

Tusko

not bad. but. sounds like lateralus 2.

decent, not forgettable, but nothing groundbreaking here.

tool is definitely one of the most over-hyped bands in history.

Devoid

Buddy of mine leaked it to me, and I'm just finishing it up now. It sounds like what I thought it would, a natural progression from Lateralus, but still great on its own. Once it's officially released, I'll be buying it as well. One of the few bands I'll still give money to.

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saut

nah its nothing like lateralus really... i listened once, it was alright. i cant help but feel "5 years for this?"

kutulu

I think it sounds a lot like Lateralus 2, not that it's a bad thing just that they aren't a band that repeats themselves much. I liked my first spin through the album but it left me wanting certain aspects from their past. I wanted more aggression in the vocals and overall they keep getting softer with each album. Still great but they aren't what they were. The raw sounds of Opiate and Undertow are what drew me to them, that is long gone.

saut

i dunno it sounds like theyre actually mocking lateralus sometimes; see lipan conjuring

Stompy

Opiate and Undertow are actually my least fav Tool releases. Aenima and Lateralus were amazing, and I like the direction they keep moving toward.. more "out there" as opposed to cookie cutter band type stuff. But this CD has definitely exceeded expectations I had for it, which doesn't happen often.

There were some worries that it was gonna be a "ehh.." mediocre type release, but I'm enjoying it.

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Bacchanal

Three words: Yippee, Hooray and Wahoo!

I fucking love it! Yes, it sounds like a progression from Lateralus, but you can also hear quite a bit of a Meshuggah influence, which wasn't there before, and I also love that aspect!

Solid album. Will be a solid purchase. Won't leave my car for quite a while.

kutulu

Tool was never a cookie cutter band, thier music has always been 'out there.' In the past, they just didn't feel the need to layer things with all sorts of extra sounds, multiple layers of harmonized guitar parts, tons of effects pedals, etc.

Not that what they do now isn't awesome, just that I liked the raw sound.

saut

10000 days is surely one of the best songs they've written

Stompy

No, I meant in general, like... as bands get older, they become more of a cliche or drift into something really stupid. There's very rarely a band who gets better as each album comes out. NIN and Tool are ones who get better each time.

IMO, Metallica fits this to a T. Aerosmith, Red Hot Chilli Peppers, etc.

It's like.. they start off as great bands then progress into "WTF happened?"

Like Tool drifted more into "out there" experimental type stuff and got away from the raw sound in Opiate/Undertow. They "found themselves" so to speak. The typical "Tool sound" really isn't on Undertow anywhere (you know, when you heard the first 5 seconds of Vicarious, you realize, "Oh yeah, that's Tool").

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noahfor

I've only heard Vicarious. I have a problem with the lyrical content. In my interpretation of the songs, Lateralus really got to the heart of the matter. It abstracted the essence of being human and various human experiences and used this essence to come to profound conclusions about human life and how it should be conducted, or something, but Vicarious on the surface seems to be about a very banal particular aspect of human behavior, and I don't know what else it could be about. Is he even using the word 'vicarious' correctly?

saut

lyrically the album gets pretty personal. wings for marie (pts 1 and 2) is basically an epilogue for maynard's mother.

the lyrics are much more straightforward though, especially compared to lateralus. i'm past the "metaphysics is kewl!" stage anyway.

noahfor

I don't think they've written anything about metaphysics. Lateralus just seems to be relevant to the human experience in general, whereas Vicarious isn't. I don't even watch TV.

Edit: 10, 000 days is the best song ever.

Stompy

How is he not? It means experiencing something or having something done on through someone else, or on the behalf of another person.

"Vicariously I live while the whole world dies." - more or less a social commentary on how people are glued to morbid news.. for ex, everyone couldn't stop watching the 9/11 plane footage over and over. So in a way.. you get an experience from the suffering of others.

Sounds like it fits perfectly to me.

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noahfor

I think of vicarious as experiencing what another person is experiencing. For instance, dying while the whole world dies. It's more specific than just feelings being caused by other people. Vicarious would be feeling naked because I see a naked woman, but being turned on would not be vicarious.

But whatever. I love Tool, and I love the new CD.

saut

i've come to the conclusion that this album is mediocre. i wonder what i would have thought of this album 3 years ago when i was a raging tool fan?

mercury-hg

i think the most annoying aspect of Tool has nothing to do with the band itself - it is the fans that overanalyze Maynard's lyrics. granted, they're interesting - thought provoking even - but the pedestal that his words are held upon is absurd. abstraction is not genius.

as far as 10,000 days.... i'm a bit dissapointed. meandering passages, riffs ripped right from Lateralus, little vocal variation. there's obviously some tool greatness, but the album can't compare to Tool's best - Aenima.

Krycheck

After a few days of listening to it I love it. It will not leave my cd changer anytime soon.

As far as comparason, I like it better than Lateralus but Aenima will always be thier best.

I would take a mediocer Tool release over anything that's out there right now. Not that 10,000 days is but I'm just saying...

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Jadedfox

I enjoy the album very much. It has defintely grown on me over the past few days. "Right in two" is by far the best track in my opinion. The first 2 and a half minutes of that song is probably the best stuff they've done

--jaded

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cockmonger

Amazing and exciting stuff from the Tool camp. Definetly a big change from lateralus, but thats what you'd expect from a band that takes 5-6 years to crank out a new album. Notice how Lateralis sounded nothing like AEnima which sounded nothing like Undertow which sounded alittle like Opiate(but EPs don't count in the equation). The only problem i have with it like i did with Lateralis is that there is too much filler. I know you're all saying, but tool always does that. But it seems to keep increasing, it seems that theres only about 40 mins worth of non-filler tracks.
I may be spoiled but they havnt balanced that aspect well since Aenima, (and i think Undertow was a straight up rock album, nothing artsy about it). and at least there the filler was amusing with recipes for deviled eggs in german and a guy telling you what a dissapointment you are (the baby crying annoys me though).
Nonetheless this is a very special album. very introspective. very different. I like the way they kept the overpowering drums and added stronger guitar parts, the talkbox in Jambi is the poop! Look forward to seeing them live in August.
I also wanted to know if anyone had heard of Puscifier, i recently learned that Maynard's been doing side stuff with Danny Lohner, and had stuff on the Underworld (1 and 2) soundtracks. I think maynard has one of the best voices in rock ever. And since APC is done i'm anticipating filling the void in the next five years between tool albums.

ROCK ON TOOL.

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Krycheck

I finally found the lyrics to the album. Some very power lyrics in this album.

Example:

10,000 Days (Wings Part 2)

We listen to the tales and romanticize,
How we follow the path of the hero

Boast about the day when the rivers overrun,
How we'll rise to the height of our halo.

Listen to the tales as we all rationalize
Our way into the arms of the savior
Fading all the trials and the tribulations,

None of us have actually been there,
Not like you...

The ignorant flippants in the congregation
Gather around spewing sympathy,
Spare me...

None of them can even hold a candle up to you
Blinded by choices,
hypocrites won't see

But enough about the collective Judas
Who could deny you were the one who illuminated
Your little piece of the divine

This little light of mine it gives your past unto me,
I'm gonna let it shine,
to guide you safely on your way

Your way home...

Ohh, what are they gonna do when the lights go down
Without you to guide them all to Zion?
What are they gonna do when the rivers overrun
Other than tremble incessantly?

High is the way
but our eyes are upon the ground.
You are the light and the way
They'll only read about
I only pray heaven knows
When to lift you out

10000 days in the fire is long enough.
You're going home...

You're the only one who can hold your head up high,
Shake your fist at the gates saying,
"I have come home now!"

Fetch me the spirit, the son and the father,
Tell them their pillar of faith has ascended.

"It's time now!
My time now!
Give me my
Give me my wings!"...

Give me my (x5)

"Give me my wings"

You are the light, the way, that they will only read about

Set as I am in my ways and my arrogance
Burden of proof tossed upon non-believers.
You were my witness, my eyes, my evidence,
Judith Marie, unconditional one.

Daylight dims leaving cool flourescence.
Difficult to see you in this light.
Please forgive this bold suggestion:
Should you see your maker's face tonight
Look him in the eye
Look him in the eye and tell him
I never lived a lie, never took a life,
But surely saved one
Hallejullah,
It's time for you to bring me home.

This is about his mother who was paralized from a stroke and died 27 years later, 10,000 days.

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Kadath

It occurs to me that I only have until the end of June until I have been alive for 10,000 days. I'm looking forward to this album. Patience.

Also, cockmonger, Die Eier von Satan is about hash cookies, not deviled eggs. The Eggs of Satan is a slang reference to Satan's testicles.

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RotEx

did anyone know that 10,000 days = 27.4 years? anyone know what that might mean?

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Bacchanal

I've found that I can not stop listening to this album. I just love everything about it. Every song. I can't say that about too many albums, but it seems Tool always comes through with a 100% solid CD.

Frosstbyte

I like that this CD took the very expansive and, for lack of a better word, strange things they did in Lateralus and combined it with their harder, crunchier sounds from Opiate and Undertow. I think if they'd continued in the direction they took in Lateralus they would've ended up somwhere musically interesting but very hard to listen to. 10k days takes what they "learned" in making Lateralus and brings it back into a more listenable sphere.

Also, this is just me, but I've never been one for lyrics. I just don't care what people are saying. If it sounds good, that's really the important part to me. I often put up lyrics in away messages or signatures because I really like the sound of the part of the song they come from, but the lyrics themselves are very weird/morbid/incomprehensible if the source is apparent and I get lots of concerned IMs from friends. Oh well.

Krycheck

Well said Frossbyte. That exactly how I feel about the level they took this album to.

As for lyrics I love them. I like to look into the mind of a good lyricist. To see what they're feeling inside and the message they're trying to convey. "Vicarious" is about our appitite for violence on TV and that we wont take a life but we'll gladly watch someone else do it!

10,000 days is one good song from being their best cd ever.

Oh I hear that the cd comes with 3d glasses to look at the artwork inside!

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Lak

This album is quickly growing on me. Tracks like 'The Pot' and 'Vicarious' have great pace and all songs are reminiscent of earlier work, but with more flourish and the distinct flavour that being more experienced gives to music. I think the segue "Lost Keys" is what began to really warm me to the whole thing.
Also, the cd case is fucking madness. Awesome.

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Zyr

Imediate thoughts:
Adam Jones is the man. He has gotten really good since Aenima, and also did the art direction, and thus was responsible for the 3d packaging.
APC had an effect on Maynard. Vicarious, a bit, and Right in Two, have very APC like themes.
The timing is all over the place, but you can still groove to it (unlike some of lateralus).

The first time I listened to it was pretty good, but it just keeps getting better every time. I found on Lateralus that some song were just really hard to listen to. If you concentrated, and really listened, you could get into them, and there was so much to get into, but otherwise they weren't good to listen to. The songs on 10,000 days are a lot easier on the ears, but still have a lot of depth. I'm sure I'm going to be listening to it for a long time, and will still keep finding things.

Also, I can't help but think that those who found it underwhelming, need to listen to it again. Many many times, with good headphones, in a dark room.

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