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Fallen · 10-12-2003, 07:14 PM

Ok, I realize that a lot you don't like Tool. However, I happen to believe their music is borderline genius. To me, they are the front runners in rock music. They are, musically, everything that every band out there should strive to be.

My question is, what will people 20 or 30 years from now think of Tool? Will they be revered like Led Zeppelin and the Beatles, or will their music fade into obscurity?

Maybe I'm just an optimistic fan, but I think that they will be held in very high regard by musics fans generations away. Similar to Pink Floyd, I think people will cite Tool as being ahead of their time.

What do you guys think?

Sleepyjack · 10-12-2003, 07:50 PM

Definitley ahead of its time, also, even Pink Floyd sounds new nowadays which is remarkable. They make timeless music which will probably be appreciated for years to come.

Definitley not as much of the beatles cause they seem to influence everyone who is playing music today, but still remembered.

Hell, hopefully they're still making music then

I think the same would be said about Radiohead aswell, cause they're probably both equally popular and both maiing timeless music.

Mojo_PeiPei · 10-12-2003, 08:27 PM

Depends the reason why Floyd and THe Beatles have stood the test of time is because they are two of the best selling bands of all time. If they are well known and appreciated, which to my knowledge they are not (at least in comparsion to Floyd or the Beatles) then they would be ok.

Jdoe · 10-12-2003, 09:59 PM

You won't see the feelings toward the earlier bands like Zep and the Beatles ever again. Period. You need to apprehend that those days were the beginnings of rock (yes even earlier.) Regardless of how great anyone may be, there can be no more firsts like we have seen before us.

Jdoe

Cobalt_60 · 10-12-2003, 11:21 PM

I love tool. Unlike other bands I've listened to, that get worse as they progress. I think tool gets better and better. Its an aquired taste. When I first listened to Lateralus I didn't like many of the songs. But after listening to it a few times, they grew on me. I don't think they will be revered, but I hope others that like tool will be around to share their music. I've seen them in concert last year for Lateralus. tool live is awsome. Wish I could find a video on what they show during the concert. I'm going to A Perfect Circle next month as well. Cant wait!

rev_skarekroe · 10-13-2003, 11:13 AM

They'll be looked up to like King Crimson and Emerson Lake and Palmer. An influential and interesting product of their times, but not a classic to mass majority.
sk

hilbert25 · 10-13-2003, 06:20 PM

Unfortunately, I don't think Tool will ever be ranked next to the Beatles or Pink Floyd. They're fantastic, but unfortunately not at the beginning.

Now matter how good they are and what fantastic stuff they produce, they're too commercially successful to be seen as artistic, not successful enough to be mainstream popular, and too esoteric to be controversial. It's hard to censer music when you don't even know the song is a recipe for weed brownies. Bible thumpers would much rather just go after Marilyn Manson.

juanvaldes · 10-13-2003, 11:35 PM

If they keep doing what they have been doing, as in keep it about the music and not themselves, I think so.

Mr.Deflok · 10-14-2003, 12:59 AM

Nine Inch Nails falls into the same Category, as does David Bowie, though he already is considered a lengend (and rightly so).

Fallen · 10-14-2003, 04:59 PM

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Originally posted by hilbert25
Unfortunately, I don't think Tool will ever be ranked next to the Beatles or Pink Floyd. They're fantastic, but unfortunately not at the beginning.

Now matter how good they are and what fantastic stuff they produce, they're too commercially successful to be seen as artistic, not successful enough to be mainstream popular, and too esoteric to be controversial. It's hard to censer music when you don't even know the song is a recipe for weed brownies. Bible thumpers would much rather just go after Marilyn Manson.

That's an excellent point. I hadn't really thought of that.

ghezzo · 10-16-2003, 09:36 PM

thats a good point holbert

anyone remember the song Hush? and the points it got out about Tool's opinion in media censoring?

As far as being remembered. only time will tell. Tool seems to have developed its own genre of followers, but i consider Tool to be in a genre of music by themselves. wel will see

KWSN · 10-17-2003, 06:37 PM

20-30 years maynard will be 60-70... so I highly doubt any reunion tours to ride their huge popularity (if there is any) at that time.

I think they may very well be forgotten by then. Genius acts come and go unless they produce constantly till the end of their run, or are cut short tragically. A sad truth.

WhoaitsZ · 10-19-2003, 08:07 AM

i wonder the about the same thing.

to the massess tool will be popular. to real music listerners, like us, who don't dig pop they will e gods.

they are PF gone dark. like juan said, if they stick with the music, the will be one of the best ever.

they surpass LZ and PF....

DownwardSpiral · 10-19-2003, 08:45 AM

Tool is a great band. I think they have the potential to be remembered for many years to come. I was never a huge fan of Pink Floyd, and don't get me started on the Beatles. . . but Tool has the potential yes, good band there.

h2ogo69 · 10-19-2003, 08:52 AM

i actually think tool will be one of the few rememebred bands of today in my opinion there are only 3 RHCP, Radiohead, and tool... as much as i love jane's addiction i know they will not be rememebred in 20 years simply because mny people had forgotten about them since 1991... however this could be a foolish statement considering most ppl who forgot them are 18 and were too young to remember.

Cursive · 10-19-2003, 08:54 AM

Tool is the best, their music is so Unique! I cant wait to see A Perfect Circle live next month

madsenj37 · 10-21-2003, 11:40 PM

Tool will never be appreciated if current music trends have anything to do with it. Out with rock and in with hip hop and pop is what the 90's gave us. They may some day be appreciated, but most people are idiots and dont want deep music or well written music.

twotimesadingo · 10-23-2003, 05:36 PM

I don't think any of us disagree that Tool should be remembered, but I personally don't see them as having the universal fan-base that Bones mentioned. Think of the impact MTV has on the youth of today -- who will be the ones doing the reminiscing 20 to 30 years from now -- and just what MTV peddles in the way of music.

As madsenj37 noted, the '90s saw the end of the rock-and-roll era and the birth of hip-hop and rap as the dominant form of music for community's consciousness.

The music that Tool creates -- with its haunting rhythms and echoing vocals, melodic and yet with lyrics that border on poetic genius -- no longer has a fan-base that can appreciate such.

So, music afficionados -- even those that don't much like rock-and-roll -- will remember Tool for their abilities, but the generation as a whole will probably associate Dr. Dre, or Eminem, with great music, not the bands who have helped rock-and-roll evolve into something greater than what PF and LZ ever conceived.

darkmagnus · 10-23-2003, 07:21 PM

Tool, Alice in Chains and the Black Crowes are the best bands to come out of the 90's IMHO....hopefully they will be remembered.

meepa · 10-23-2003, 11:14 PM

Tool will only get "legend" status among hardcore rock fans, but never anything weirdly popular like the Beatles or Zep. I really like them, but I'll tell you what, I was pretty dissapointed in their live show. They have some pretty cool stuff going on in the background, but otherwise they're statues, and Maynard sounds muffled

Great CD band though... stellar music for sure.

Semi-Normal · 10-24-2003, 11:33 AM

As JDoe said, Pink Floyd, The Rolling Stones, The Beatles etc have the advantage of being the beginnings of rock, the founders even. Related to that is the fact that rock has branched out a lot more since those days - there are lots of subgenres and rock fans are spread out amongst those subgenres; peoples' tastes are more diverse, and because of that I can't see Tool, or any other band ever recapturing that sort of following and gaining that classic status.

What I think Tool are more likely to acheive is a similar status to Nirvana. They'll be remembered for some time, and possibly still have a good following 20+ years after they stop playing (I think Nirvana will still be popular after that long, it's been nearly 10 years already and they're still huge) but not for as long or by as many people as the other bands mentioned above.

KWSN · 10-24-2003, 04:13 PM

I think h2ogo69 has a pretty good concept of things... I definitely think Radiohead and RHCP will be remembered in years to come for innovation, hits, and constant production... alas, tool just doesn't have that... I mean there's no disputing that they're an INCREDIBLE band but I just don't think that they've been relentless enough in production to leave that kind of impression.

Another band I think will be remembered in 20-30 years (for the same reason as RHCP and Radiohead) is the Smashing Pumpkins. Haven't got a lot of recognition lately but they basically defined an era of music and when the nostalgia for the era kicks in they'll be one of the first mentioned. IMHO.

10-12-2003, 07:14 PM	#1 (permalink)
Fallen Crazy Location: Adrift In Madness	Tool in 20-30 years? Ok, I realize that a lot you don't like Tool. However, I happen to believe their music is borderline genius. To me, they are the front runners in rock music. They are, musically, everything that every band out there should strive to be. My question is, what will people 20 or 30 years from now think of Tool? Will they be revered like Led Zeppelin and the Beatles, or will their music fade into obscurity? Maybe I'm just an optimistic fan, but I think that they will be held in very high regard by musics fans generations away. Similar to Pink Floyd, I think people will cite Tool as being ahead of their time. What do you guys think? __________________ Overdosed on Apathy

10-12-2003, 08:27 PM	#3 (permalink)
Mojo_PeiPei Kiss of Death Location: Perpetual wind and sorrow	Depends the reason why Floyd and THe Beatles have stood the test of time is because they are two of the best selling bands of all time. If they are well known and appreciated, which to my knowledge they are not (at least in comparsion to Floyd or the Beatles) then they would be ok. __________________ To win a war you must serve no master but your ambition.

10-13-2003, 11:13 AM	#6 (permalink)
rev_skarekroe Insane Location: Parts Unknown	They'll be looked up to like King Crimson and Emerson Lake and Palmer. An influential and interesting product of their times, but not a classic to mass majority. sk __________________ "If I could have one wish, as in the fairy tales, I would unmake my past, and rise like Lazarus and stand in sunlight and banish all the dark." D. Tibet

10-17-2003, 06:37 PM	#12 (permalink)
KWSN green	20-30 years maynard will be 60-70... so I highly doubt any reunion tours to ride their huge popularity (if there is any) at that time. I think they may very well be forgotten by then. Genius acts come and go unless they produce constantly till the end of their run, or are cut short tragically. A sad truth. __________________ Your arms are broken!

10-19-2003, 08:45 AM	#14 (permalink)
DownwardSpiral The Funeral of Hearts Location: Trapped inside my mind. . .	Tool is a great band. I think they have the potential to be remembered for many years to come. I was never a huge fan of Pink Floyd, and don't get me started on the Beatles. . . but Tool has the potential yes, good band there. __________________ "So Keep on Pretending. Our Heavens Worth the Waiting. Keep on Pretending. It's Alright." -- H.I.M., "Pretending"

10-12-2003, 07:50 PM	#2 (permalink)
Sleepyjack Fast'n'Bulbous Location: Australia, Perth	Definitley ahead of its time, also, even Pink Floyd sounds new nowadays which is remarkable. They make timeless music which will probably be appreciated for years to come. Definitley not as much of the beatles cause they seem to influence everyone who is playing music today, but still remembered. Hell, hopefully they're still making music then I think the same would be said about Radiohead aswell, cause they're probably both equally popular and both maiing timeless music.

10-12-2003, 09:59 PM	#4 (permalink)
Jdoe Crazy	You won't see the feelings toward the earlier bands like Zep and the Beatles ever again. Period. You need to apprehend that those days were the beginnings of rock (yes even earlier.) Regardless of how great anyone may be, there can be no more firsts like we have seen before us. Jdoe

10-12-2003, 11:21 PM	#5 (permalink)
Cobalt_60 Addict	I love tool. Unlike other bands I've listened to, that get worse as they progress. I think tool gets better and better. Its an aquired taste. When I first listened to Lateralus I didn't like many of the songs. But after listening to it a few times, they grew on me. I don't think they will be revered, but I hope others that like tool will be around to share their music. I've seen them in concert last year for Lateralus. tool live is awsome. Wish I could find a video on what they show during the concert. I'm going to A Perfect Circle next month as well. Cant wait!

10-13-2003, 06:20 PM	#7 (permalink)
hilbert25 Psycho Location: nOvA	Unfortunately, I don't think Tool will ever be ranked next to the Beatles or Pink Floyd. They're fantastic, but unfortunately not at the beginning. Now matter how good they are and what fantastic stuff they produce, they're too commercially successful to be seen as artistic, not successful enough to be mainstream popular, and too esoteric to be controversial. It's hard to censer music when you don't even know the song is a recipe for weed brownies. Bible thumpers would much rather just go after Marilyn Manson.

10-13-2003, 11:35 PM	#8 (permalink)
juanvaldes Banned Location: shittown, CA	If they keep doing what they have been doing, as in keep it about the music and not themselves, I think so.

10-14-2003, 12:59 AM	#9 (permalink)
Mr.Deflok Blood + Fire Location: New Zealand	Nine Inch Nails falls into the same Category, as does David Bowie, though he already is considered a lengend (and rightly so).

10-16-2003, 09:36 PM	#11 (permalink)
ghezzo Loser Location: kirby block	thats a good point holbert anyone remember the song Hush? and the points it got out about Tool's opinion in media censoring? As far as being remembered. only time will tell. Tool seems to have developed its own genre of followers, but i consider Tool to be in a genre of music by themselves. wel will see

10-19-2003, 08:07 AM	#13 (permalink)
WhoaitsZ Crazy Location: right behind you...	i wonder the about the same thing. to the massess tool will be popular. to real music listerners, like us, who don't dig pop they will e gods. they are PF gone dark. like juan said, if they stick with the music, the will be one of the best ever. they surpass LZ and PF....

10-19-2003, 08:52 AM	#15 (permalink)
h2ogo69 Banned	i actually think tool will be one of the few rememebred bands of today in my opinion there are only 3 RHCP, Radiohead, and tool... as much as i love jane's addiction i know they will not be rememebred in 20 years simply because mny people had forgotten about them since 1991... however this could be a foolish statement considering most ppl who forgot them are 18 and were too young to remember.

10-19-2003, 08:54 AM	#16 (permalink)
Cursive Tilted	Tool is the best, their music is so Unique! I cant wait to see A Perfect Circle live next month __________________ Never trust anything that bleeds for 6 days and doesn't die

10-21-2003, 11:40 PM	#17 (permalink)
madsenj37 Still searching... Location: NorCal For Life	Tool will never be appreciated if current music trends have anything to do with it. Out with rock and in with hip hop and pop is what the 90's gave us. They may some day be appreciated, but most people are idiots and dont want deep music or well written music. __________________ "Only two things are certain: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not certain about the universe." -- Albert Einstein

10-23-2003, 05:36 PM	#18 (permalink)
twotimesadingo Psycho Location: that place with the thing	I don't think any of us disagree that Tool should be remembered, but I personally don't see them as having the universal fan-base that Bones mentioned. Think of the impact MTV has on the youth of today -- who will be the ones doing the reminiscing 20 to 30 years from now -- and just what MTV peddles in the way of music. As madsenj37 noted, the '90s saw the end of the rock-and-roll era and the birth of hip-hop and rap as the dominant form of music for community's consciousness. The music that Tool creates -- with its haunting rhythms and echoing vocals, melodic and yet with lyrics that border on poetic genius -- no longer has a fan-base that can appreciate such. So, music afficionados -- even those that don't much like rock-and-roll -- will remember Tool for their abilities, but the generation as a whole will probably associate Dr. Dre, or Eminem, with great music, not the bands who have helped rock-and-roll evolve into something greater than what PF and LZ ever conceived. __________________ I'll be the one to protect you from your enemies and all your demons. I'll be the one to protect you from a will to survive and voice of reason. I'll be the one to protect you from your enemies and your choices, son. They're one and the same I must isolate you, isolate and save you from yourself." - A Perfect Circle

10-23-2003, 07:21 PM	#19 (permalink)
darkmagnus Tilted	Tool, Alice in Chains and the Black Crowes are the best bands to come out of the 90's IMHO....hopefully they will be remembered.

10-23-2003, 11:14 PM	#20 (permalink)
meepa Insane	Tool will only get "legend" status among hardcore rock fans, but never anything weirdly popular like the Beatles or Zep. I really like them, but I'll tell you what, I was pretty dissapointed in their live show. They have some pretty cool stuff going on in the background, but otherwise they're statues, and Maynard sounds muffled Great CD band though... stellar music for sure.

10-24-2003, 11:33 AM	#21 (permalink)
Semi-Normal Insane Location: Christchurch, New Zealand	As JDoe said, Pink Floyd, The Rolling Stones, The Beatles etc have the advantage of being the beginnings of rock, the founders even. Related to that is the fact that rock has branched out a lot more since those days - there are lots of subgenres and rock fans are spread out amongst those subgenres; peoples' tastes are more diverse, and because of that I can't see Tool, or any other band ever recapturing that sort of following and gaining that classic status. What I think Tool are more likely to acheive is a similar status to Nirvana. They'll be remembered for some time, and possibly still have a good following 20+ years after they stop playing (I think Nirvana will still be popular after that long, it's been nearly 10 years already and they're still huge) but not for as long or by as many people as the other bands mentioned above. __________________ I'm not lazy, I'm "motivationally challenged."

10-24-2003, 04:13 PM	#22 (permalink)
KWSN green	I think h2ogo69 has a pretty good concept of things... I definitely think Radiohead and RHCP will be remembered in years to come for innovation, hits, and constant production... alas, tool just doesn't have that... I mean there's no disputing that they're an INCREDIBLE band but I just don't think that they've been relentless enough in production to leave that kind of impression. Another band I think will be remembered in 20-30 years (for the same reason as RHCP and Radiohead) is the Smashing Pumpkins. Haven't got a lot of recognition lately but they basically defined an era of music and when the nostalgia for the era kicks in they'll be one of the first mentioned. IMHO. __________________ Your arms are broken!