Lyrics? I must have passed them up, I was too disturbed by the 12 year old thing.

It's even better when you actually hear him spitting them over a beat..

Finally, rap that dosent get on my nerves, hah! It DOES exist. I may not be a big fan of rap but that Canibus person beats the hell out of mainstream gangsta bullshit.

I still think the RIAA needs to find something better to do than sue 12 year old girls though.

i think the most well done rap over americas government would have to be mr. lif - home of the brave. dont mean to step on anyones toes or make this a political debate, i just respect this guy who created this....

Now let's talk about self expression
true expression
open your minds without question
no doubt!
tell me what your thinking about
let's try to set aside pride and clout
can you believe I feel the same exact way you do?
You truly do believe these modern ways have fooled you

systems exist so we'd never meet each other
pretty soon from now they'll outlaw the word 'brother'
and that's true
if they see you walking with a crew
if you don't know
that means more than two
I'll tell you what they'll do
they'll pull over
hunch you over
kick your ass
night stick to your shoulder
I know it's unjust
as if it wasn't enough
if you try to fight back
they're locking' your ass up
and Chuck already told you that a cell is hell
but I'm waiting for the phone
so I'll sit for a spell
Call the guard
tell him I'm a piece of God
with no beliefs in his streets or his boulevards
I eat rage
so my mental is hard
and the heat from my anger just melted the bars
they reach for their guns
so I put em to sleep
break the chains
and put the shoes back on my feet
He's on the loose with no discernible scars or marks
Just the mind of Mandela
and the heart of Rosa Parks
so I dip
time to meet the governor and mayor
tell em life ain't fair
see if they care
Well they do
but only if they're on the air
so they appear
to have a heart and mega flair
but they haven't done shit for us
and that's a fact
their only function is to keep the funny money where
it's at
and it causes
pain, stress
ask me if we need a different way of life
YES, YES!

Verse 2

Headline!
Bush steals the presidency
he needs the backing of the meek
what could the remedy be?
The country's heading for recession reminiscent of the
great depression
are lives worth a world of power?
Easy question
Planes hit the towers and the pentagon
killing those the government wasn't dependent on
it's easy to control the scared
so they keep us in fear
with their favorite middle eastern demon
named Bin Laden this year
Bush disguises bloodlust as patriotism
convincing the living to love operation
'Let's get em!'
But when he realized we don't support his attacks
they needed something to distract
Hmmmm?
Anthrax!
This further demonizes Afghanis
so Americans cheer
while we kill their innocent families
and what better place to start a war
to build a pipeline to get the oil that we had wanted
before
America supported the Taliban
to get Russia out of Afghanistan
that's how they got the arms and
they're in a war against the Northern Alliance
and we can't build a pipeline in hostile environments
Here's what your history books won't show
your a dead man for fucking with American dough
they're killing several birds with one stone
while you're at home
with anti terrorism up in your dome
but my eyes are wide open
and my TV is off
great cuz I save on my electricity costs
and you can wave that piece of shit flag if you dare
but they killed us
because we've been killing em for years.

-Lif

Why does rap exist??? Hmmmm, ask yourself, why does any music exist, the answer lies within.

Mr. Lif is awesome. Glad you liked the Bis lyrics DWS.

Asta!!

raps ok i like it, not as much as rock or jazz or even drum and bass but rap is sum cool shit... it exists because it came from other types of music and became what it is todya, it eveolved. think about it if all there was was rock it would suck.

Keep up with your ignorance.

Here's your thread starter:

<i><b>I don't know about you guys, but I've been wondering lately why rap still exists. Rap, as it stands now, is by far the worst genre of music out there in my opinion. But i'm looking forward to seeing the responses I get from this, so if you can tell me why rap is still around go for it, or if you hate it as much as I and wonder why it's still around, say something. But let's see what you people here at good ol' TFP think.</b></i>

Here's your self-correction:

<i><b>the rap I speak of is the so called 'gangsta' rap. It's stupid, ya know. How many people can honestly tell me that gangsta rap is music?</b></i>

Here's your statement that ALL rap is basically the same:

<i><b>Those rappers like 50 Cent and all the mainstream rappers in my opinion give rap a bad name, thus if the vast majority of what you hear is crap, you don't wanna hear anymore of the artists from that genre because you assume that they all sound the same. To me they do all sound the same. And if artists in a genre sound the same, what's the point?</b></i>


Now correct me if I'm wrong - but you hate ALL rap - right? Not just gangsta rap, because all the other rap sounds just like that.

And if I am wrong, give me 5 rap artists you do like.

If you can't do that, everything I said before stands. If you can, then you need to check yourself: you mistakenly refer to "gangsta rap" as Rap, as if that encompasses the genre.

Now, which one of us has the senseless babble thing down, eh?

relax bud, he changed his arguement (with the gansta rap hating) and were past the "oh my god why did you say that!" phase of the discussion. get over it :)

Lif is dope. His song with Jedi Mind Tricks called Speech Cobras is good too.

i listen to older rap, anything thats came out within the last 4 years had jsut ben conplete poop :(

Did I not say in an earlier post that I should have been more specific in what I named the thread? I'm pretty sure I did, Bling. Yuo must not have caught that. As far as me hating all rap, from reading what K-Wise and IC3 have posted from that Canibus fellow, there is rap out there that is worth at least listening to, I don't know if I will because I've stated that rap isn't particularly my type of music. I can't name 5 rap artists I like because all the rap I hear is stupid, Bling. Perhaps if I were to check out these other people like K-Wise and IC3 say I should, then maybe I could answer that. As I said have you heard the rap I speak of? This Eminem junk and the such? Given Eminem can freestyle his albums are a joke. As costello pointed out I changed my argument. And I should have been more specific in the thread title. And I'm still saying mainstream rap sounds the same, because it does. Any other arguments?

I'ma say it if you like hearin a dude sing along to an instrument that has great voice and you like the sounds of guitars then you probably wouldn't like most hip-hop music. If you don't mind that the dude isn't singing but you still like to hear instruments rather than a beat then you should probably listen to artists like
Mike Shinoda (Yes linkin park was a hip-hop group first Chester wasn't even in the band)
The Roots
Mos Def (his new works are with a band called Black Jack Johnson)
K-Os (He's a canadian rapper right but he doesn't just do rap music he does all of it. He does R&B, and Acoustic/rock as well.)

The list is pretty limited in exceptions. If it isn't your thing you just won't like any rap ya know? Nothing wrong with that you've already acknowledged that not all of it is crappy and some has good lyrics I don't/shouldn't expect anymore from you or try and force you to like it knaw mean? Just do you man.

Asta!!

There's a canadian rapper who does R&B and rock as well as rap? Intrigueing.

Yeah he's actually quite good. I posted up some of my lyrics in the literature section of this site if you wanna peep em out and gimme some critique.
http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthr...threadid=27027
I just wanted to see if people who don't really come across as hip-hop fans and people who are very familiar with poetry and how to write it especially as talented as some are actually think I can write good.

Asta!!

Not bad there, K-Wise, and it's not all about the bling bling! Respectable lyrics you wrote, impressive.

If you want real rap, download "One Night in Bangkok" by Murray Head...




YOWSA!

Nope.

But I will add that I too question why all the Really Bad Music is actually considered music. Seems like a no-brainer there.

For example - Britney Spears, Justin Timberlake. These are "artists" though, not genres. I can't think of any genre that is composed entirely of Really Bad Music. Even Pop sometimes has a good track or two in play.

Ok...I guess I am not the only one who thinks of this (2nd verse)

be fair....only about 99% of rap is crap. The other 1% is ok.

because it rules, yo

I hate racist people...Looks at downward Spiral
Not talking about anyone just stating a fact...Looks at downward Spiral








J/K heh... :lol: :eek: :icare:

So you laughed at him....Then you got so shocked at how good you thought he looked when he got angry at you for laughing at him....and decided to kiss him right there n then?:confused:

Asta!!

Yes, thats why I put it on there duh. He is a good kisser btw;)

*stares at Xiangsu*

umm . . . yeah.

*awkward silence*

Ehhh yeah, ditto.

Well now...10 mins ago I would have simply said, "I hate rap, it's not music, it sucks and I wish it would go away"! Interesting reading, opinions...perhaps I'm a bit more enlightened. Still not a fan but not quite as vehemently opposed to it now...which surprises me.

rap sucks period....rock takes infinately more talent

you even read what people posted sean?

Ya?...Well I think Rock sucks. More than half the threads in the music forum I don't have any interest in the type of music they are about...But I don't go into them and say....

"I think Rock Sucks"

If you have something to add to the discussion besides your Ignorance...Then feel free. But if you don't, The few of us that do like HipHop could do without your thought you posted above.

I am just getting sick of people posting "Rap Sucks' or "Rap Is Not Music" and all the other shit.

Don't bring the hate If you can't relate.

Sean, I agree with you to an extent, actually. I'll say it again, I hate gangsta rap, and I think it sucks period, but as far as the non-mainstream stuff, I can't pass judgement on that because i've never heard it.

Grats on being another ignorant person.

rap is good shiznit fo real yo :P

hehe, my friends and i joked one time that Rap evolved as such:

at the turn of the century, African Americans created Ragtime, which evolved into Jazz, both of which are wonderful kinds of music. The white folks promptly stole it for themselves.

So, they created Blues a bit later, in the 20's or so, and that eventually transitioned with country into rock, and was again promptly stolen by the white folks.

Now annoyed, the african americans created hip hop, fully acknowledging that it would again, be stolen by the white folks, and it was created with the sole intent of being so ridiculously stupid, that they could laugh at all the white folks who actually stole it or latched on to it.

and that's where they are now, rich, and secretly laughing at us.

;) No harm intended, i can appreciate some rap as artistry and music, but not all of it.

and of course the same couldnt be said about EVERY form of music on the friggin planet :P.

of course not. i mean, c'mon, rock is perfect, EVERYTHING that rock encompasses is obviously good. :P

I used to listen to rap when i was younger. There are only a few good rappers. ones with originality and complicated lyrics. I hate rap that sounds the same, which today is, just about everything that comes out. Now i listen to rock. finally realized its just the far more superior genre of music, and now i just totally dispise rap. If it were up to me i would get rid of the whole genre of rap all together.

Ugh try again hot shot. You even listen to any underground hip hop? Go here www.undergroundhiphop.com, check out the singles section and peep one a every dude on the first page. I'm sure you'll find someone you like...the go to the search by artist and check out

Binary Star
K-Otix
J-Live
Clokworx
Living Legends
Jedi Mind Tricks
Mos Def
Pharoahe Monch
Canibus

etc. the list goes on theres dozens of talent lyricists out there who write extremely well and very good lyrics. Including myself. Such an insensitive comment as that is a slap in the face for anyone like me who doesn't fit your ignorant ass generalization. If ya'd make an effort you'd find the good in any genre no matter what. Be more open minded

Asta!!

this is a stupid argument...

lets mix things up a bit

person a likes cream soda
person b likes cream soda
person c likes sprite

you dont see person a and b getting mad because person c likes sprite... and they dont argue sprites right to exist either.. they just drink their cream soda and let sprite be...

so Person a and b, just drink your drink and let rap be

I'm sorry buddy...I know what you mean but perhaps you should go back and re-word your argument there because it makes no sense at all. Seriously.

Asta!!

Yeah I know what you mean. I used to listen to rock when I was younger. There are only a few good bands. Ones with amazing shredding and great solos. I hate rock that sounds the same, which today is, just about everything that comes out. Now I listen to rap. Finally realized it's just the far more superior genre of music, and now I just totally dispise rock. If it were up to me I would get rid of the whole genre of rock all together.

props go to you. someone who posts their opinion AFTER they read what has been posted.

Very Nice:lol: :lol:

hahah oops... sorry i fixed it

There ya go haha. Good point n shit

Asta!!

what is Asta... ive seen that alot... im so confused

Yes....you are a rookie....so you do not know...don't worry there are answers...and the answers are <a href="http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthread.php?s=&threadid=26962&highlight=ASTA">here</a>. I will only tell you one thing for now and that one thing is that the Asta is bigger than all of us.

Asta!!

and i dont have permison for that :P

Okay this <a href="http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthread.php?s=&threadid=26258">one</a> ya do. I hope your mind is at ease now because of this. Soon if not already (since yer tilted now) you'll have access to the other forum I linked you....there is a further explanation of the word Asta in there as well. Love, peace, and women with great big bobo's!

Asta!!

Rap is the most annoying garbage ever. Most of it is not even music but anyway that is just my opinion.

does anyone believe that just beacuse they have money they stop breaking the law. i cant think of a single person with money that DOSENT break the law.

Well well, it has been revived lol. Let me see what I can come up with based upon the new posts.
Mix things up? All you've done is make a horrible comparison that makes no sense, nor relates to the topic in discussion.

Hmm, I don't see the point in this post at all.

Poor K-Wise, you've made this list how many times? lol



Yes, the people with money who break the law, believe that they stopped breaking the law.

I'll be waiting for your replies. . .

Haha not nearly enough.

Asta!!

Rap exsists so the record companies can wring as much cash as possible out of gullible kids that want to be cool.

You'd have to be pretty dense to not get why I posted that...

eminem is the only rap ill listen to. so i guess i dislike it for the most part but i still think it should be available for others to listen to...

again with the not even regarding the previous posts people have made.

I'm sorry....I hate people like you. Eminem is NOT the only good rapper out there. Check out any number of the artists I've posted up in this thread. I'm sure you'll like them just as much if not more than you like Mr. Eminem. Matter of fact there is no reason what so ever why you shouldn't unless you're one of the gimmik Eminem fans who like him cause he makes songs about slitting his wrists, raping his mom, and killing his x-wife asside from throwing a diss track to every artist under the sun. Thats not what makes an emcee good and thats not what makes Eminem good either. Now I'm not saying you said thats why you like him but if it is the reason then I'd rather have you not listening to rap music at all. If that isn't the reason and you like him because he isn't like all the other bullshit rappers out there then I'm happy that you are looking for hip-hop with something more which is exactly what the underground hip-hop world gives you. All I'm asking is to give it a chance. I'd send you songs of some of the many artists I like but I can't right now because we d/l a new version of iTunes that doesn't want to work for some reason.

Asta!!

Rap is no different from any other genre, there is good rap and bad rap.
Unfortunately it seems that the music industry insists on marketing poor quality, and that hurts the enjoyment of the genre. This is no different from rock and pop though.
True talent you have to look for, away from MTW and marketig hype.
Without having checked it out myself, i would imagine K-Wise's list to be a good starting point ;)

Well you see what it is is they only care about the profit portion these days and not whether or not the music being sold is quality product. Rather than let an artist take his time and take months, possibly years, making the best album they possibly can (which is the way it should be done) they would rather have them just release the utmost minimal workload placed into an album so they can hurry up and sell it and cash in more profits off of them. And the really sad thing is these days the artists have the exact same mind set and could care less about the music or making respectable music and willingly let these record execs use them like puppets as long as they get a nice big paycheck in exchange for their soul. Artists like Missy Elliot and Puff Daddy have openly admitted that they no longer even try to write ill rhymes and just be sure to have good beats and hooks and everyone will still buy their records anyway even if they are purposely making them shitty. Basically calling all of their "fans" morons in the process.....which is really what they are because they are right....these idiots will still keep buying their records except for the smart ones that know better and only download them. Which is why they get so pissed off about the issue. Bottom line if they put out quality material that was actually worth buying people would buy it and if record companies would stop capitalizing on the business by charging 18 to 20 dollars for a CD that at best has maybe 4 good songs out of 14 and then only giving the artist a quarter of this money people would actually buy the albums and the artists wouldn't bitch about money (not like they need it) they really have no business bitching at all anyway. Went off topic a little there. Basically they don't care about making a good album anymore they care about money....thats the only reason they became rappers because they want money and fame so no.....they aren't talented because they don't have to be anymore and even though they couldn't put out a fantastic album if you gave them a whole decade to work on it they still won't even try to.

Asta!!

I fully agree with you, today top 40 is the most irritating music.

Didn't say I didn't get it, said I didn't see the point in it, might wanna learn how to read text before you use words like dense, my friend.

Eminem lol, you just made my point for me, thank you.

Until we meet again. . .

Ah, maybe you should read it again. I said you'd have to be pretty dense not to get why I posted it. I never said you didn't get it.

It is truly baffling, even as a rock musician, that anybody could so confidently state that "rap sucks." You say the lyrics of eminem and ludacris suck because you probably feel they follow the same themes over and over (i.e. guns, booty, cash), but can you honestly name any rock musicians who don't tread outside of the same introverted themes, such as the the "distant" love, heartbreak, the oppresive other etc. And as a musician you have no idea how aggravating it is to here rock "music" (not talking about lyrics) that don't follow the literally the exact same structure, melody, and groove as fourty othersongs I have heard before it. Jesus christ, if I had the option of listening to modern rock, and being able to accurately predict what word the singer will rhyme with the following word (especially since the subject matter is so fucking repetitive), and listning to rap, which although may be treading over similar themes but doing them with innovative wordplay, I would obviously choose rap. I'm sorry mate but their are two kinds of music in this world..."good" music and "bad" music and they can be found in all genres.

downwardspiral?

you're masturbating right now, you the only one feeling yourself..

;)

j/p

^ hahaha sounds like a Big Daddy Kane line or sumfin.

Asta!!

Not getting why is pretty much not getting it in general, seeing as if you don't get why it's there, you don't get it at all therefore, you implied that I didn't get it. You must be pretty dense not to realize that, my friend.

Innovative wordplay? Talking about raping your own mother is innovative wordplay? Gangsta rap is not innovative wordplay it's just plain ridiculous. But I will agree with you on one thing, that there is bad music in all genres.



Sure seems like it eh? Lol. But oh well, no matter, i'll continue to argue my points against others, it's what makes opinions so much fun.

Until we meet again. . .

Raping your own mother? What the hell? What artist and what song did you hear that from? I've NEVER heard of some shit like that in any songs I've listened to.

^ Eminem says that in a few of the songs on his Marshal Mathers LP. I agree those lyrics are stupid and trash. I like the more soulful groups muh self.

Asta!!

Go figure, an artist I don't like says that. I agree though that those lyrics are trash. Didn't mean to get all defensive if I did, I just don't like when people generalize rap as always being "yo I kill you nigga, bussa cap." Heh

Ok so now you're going to tell me what I implied? Right. I don't even understand why you keep coming back anyways. You know there is better rap out there so now you know why it exists. Unless you happened to check out the people K-Wise mentioned and thought they were crap too.

One more thing:

"I don't get why you said all rock is trash in a rap-bashing thread"

"I don't see the point in saying all rock is trash in a rap-bashing thread"

"I don't get it"

So no, not getting it and not getting why are not the same thing, they're not even close. If you can't understand that then I suggest you stick to rock, you might not get the deeper lyrics good rap has to offer.

Yet you're telling me what I know? Gotcha, thanks. And the way you worded all of what you said did seem like you were saying I didn't get it in a sense, unless I misinterpreted it. Why do I keep coming back you ask? For one, I started the thread in the first place therefore I'm gonna come back regardless of what you say. Number two, as I said opinions are so much fun, and i'll continue to debate these things. Three, I don't "know" that there is better rap out there, if you recall I changed my arguement to my hatred for gangsta rap, or did you forget to read that? I could go on and on about this, but I won't I can save that for later time, fact of the matter is this: I don't like gangsta rap, I never will like gangsta rap, and as far as I'm concerned, I probably will never like any rap in general. Why? Not because of gangsta rap ruining my thoughts on rap if thats what you're thinking, but rap just isn't my type of music. I've tried listening to rap before and it's like trying to listen to country, I just can't, it's impossible. So I will stick to rock, numberfive, and why? Because I find it easier to listen to than rap. To each his own, I guess.

One more thing:

"I don't see the point in this post."

"You must be pretty dense not to get why I posted this."

"Didn't say I didn't get it, said I didn't see the point."

See my point yet, numberfive?

Until we meet again. . .

Then there's nothing to discuss. Good day.

Downwardspiral. You realized what everyone was trying to tell you on page 2 of this thread. Now its page 5 and you are arguing your opion still! Why?!

Everything that I would say has been said again and again, so why be repetitive. You don't like rap music. Done. Why keep stiring the pot to agitate more people?

<3

I stopped a long time ago, then someone else revived it, Chingal. Look at the post dates. And as long as people contradict my opinion you're right, i'm gonna argue it, or "stir the pot" as you say, if they get agitated that's their problem, not mine. I'll say it one more time for you, thats what makes opinions so fun. At least in my view opinions are fun. Don't you think so too? Anything else?

Until we meet again. . .

If only the lyrics were better. But they aren't.