I saw a report yesterday that showed some law suit from a drug store in Beverly Hills. They were suing MJ for 100K in unpaid prescriptions... 10 months worth. Reportedly all pain killers. Who, what... WTF! 10K a month in diluadid and oxycodone? That's a lot of morphine. Somebody was writing these scripts.

i am starting to find the media saturation coverage of this to be really irritating. this independent of anything it refers to. the front page of the nyt has half it's space taken up with infotainment about jackson's finances. there's a giant photo of sequin-studded gloves. below that, wedged under, an article about the ongoing situation in iran. for example.

...MJ spanned my generation as well as my daughter's. I asked my daughter if she felt like she had grown up with him and was she sad about MJ's passing...then she reminded me...

...she said, "Mom. You never let me listen to him or watch him because you said he was always grabbing his crotch"...hahaha...i'm such a good mom

im glad i;

1) dont have a tv subscription
2) dont listen to the radio except on the way to work
3) havent spoken to my friends this weekend
4) am moving apartments

i've surely not missed the whole MJ fiasco play out in the media. im just sick of people paying tributes to MJ on their facebook status! for fucks sake

One thing good has come out of the death of MJ. The problems in Iran have been solved!

estimates are that over 2000 people have been arrested in iran since 12 june for opposing the election farce and no-one seems to know what's happened to them. this article (in french) is from today's le monde:

Vives inquiétudes en Iran sur le sort des victimes de la répression - Proche-Orient - Le Monde.fr

this was the lead story.
idiocy about michael jackson was not.

but this is maybe a separate matter--mj is not responsible for the nitwit decisions made about coverage in the american press.

on the other hand, this piece by germain greer is kinda interesting in that panegyric kinda way:

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its a bit hyperbolic i think, but still, better than most of the nonsense i've read.

curious... why does it aggrivate you so much?

I deal with the same thing on twitter, facebook, myspace, bk, this form, any forum, actually.
I don't seem to be having any temper issues over it though.

The kind of parent who doesn't want their child raped all over again in a witness stand in front of the world for days or weeks.

Just sayin'.

The fact the the parent(s) were caught lying doesn't prove MJ didn't molest their child(ren.) It proves the parents are liars and makes it appear their motives were less then pure. There's no shortage of messed up parents in the world. The fact they're messed up doesn't prove MJ wasn't.

I think if MJ hadn't been a famous music star with a PR team around him most people would have been convinced at- "Jesus Juice," "of course children sleep in my bed, what's more natural then that?" And the fact none of his sleep over partners were girls. To me that all adds up to pedophile. A pedophile that prefers boys.

I stand by my position that musically he's was maybe one of the most talented people ever. God knows when I was in the Navy stationed on Treasure Is. in S.F. Bay having a tape of Thriller in my deck probably got me laid... a lot. I can assure it wasn't the Subaru hatchback I was driving, my charming wit with the ladies, or my high and tight haircut. But personally he was a mess of a human being. I think he was a victim of abuse (maybe not sexually, but emotionally) at the hands of his father. Most abusers start out as victims. It's a circle that almost can not be broken. My hope is he really was a good parent to his children, that that isn't just his PR team at work. I fear even if he was what's going to happen to them now will screw them up for the rest of their lives. I fear they're in for years of I want them, no I want them. And the reality will be no one really wants them, they'll only be interested in the royality right to MJ songs which will go on earning money for ever.

That's a huge leap you're taking, Tully.

So he's been found not guilty within the legal system, the parents lied and were motivated by money, but he's still guilty? Just because one can't wrap their mind around the fact that his definition of love is pure and heartfelt doesn't mean that it doesn't happen.

This is the first I've heard about physical and emotional abuse leading to pedophilia.

Seems odd that Michael Jackson has been abusing children since at LEAST 1993 when the first charges were brought against him. The first had the mother denying abuse had happened and the second time the father accusing his ex-wife of cohearsing her kids to say what she wanted and she was batshit insane too boot. Also seems odd that no other people have come forward against him, even 16+ years later when they became adults nobody else has really made accusations. Children that grew up around him like Macaulay Culkin were still good friends with him. It seems to me that like the Catholic church when everyone came out at the same time, but in Jackson's case, all of the other children and parents have denied wrong doing. It just doesn't add up for me. I'm not saying he did or didn't do anything. I don't know. I hope not. I just have to accept that he was not found guilty in either case. He was weird and It's easy to believe pretty much anything about weird people.

holy shit, that paragraph made almost no sense at all. I need to go to sleep.

It is? Which part?

Our justice system finds people "not guilty" never "innocent." You're welcome to believe whatever you please. But I honestly think if it were Joe Blow the local grade school maintenance man going around passing out "Jesus juice" and having sleep overs with prepubescent boys (never girls) not very many people would be finding "reasonable doubt."

But what do I know? I always thought OJ was guilty too.

After running sex offender treatment groups for the State of Oregon every Thursday night for over eight years I can assure you it's not the first I've heard of it. If you're interested I could recommend a few books. Really anything by R.K. Hanson is good. There's several by a husband and wife team name Abrams that are not bad either.

Interesting, I never realized the semantic difference. One is not proclaimed innocent, even though the supposition is that you are innocent until proven guilty.

The justice system is made up of people, people make mistakes. Just like DNA has found that some people on death row could not have done the crime there have been cases where DNA has proved people found not guilty actually did in fact do it. Usually double jeopardy applies but sometime the feds move in and charge the person with a violation of anothers civil rights. Think about all those cases where KKK members were found "not guilty" only years later to be found guilty of civil rights violations for murdering someone.

Have you ever sat through an actual trial? It's interesting what evidence gets to the jury and what does not based on the law.

I'm here to derail the thread further ... I have always known that "not guilty" simply means "You did it but we just can't prove it" but there have a been a few times you could ask the court to absolve you of certain charges if found not guilty and with considerable proof alsio find you proven innocent as well as guilty. I just can't seem to find for the life of me when this was ever applied.

I don't think making your kids wear masks while in public is really a recipe for self-adjusted children. Think they might have some self-worth issues as adults?

And the craziness continues... Relatives now want a second autopsy. Yes, it's a shame he's dead, but the constant news coverage is driving me nuts. "Breaking news! Jackson is still dead, now we will tell you all about the fact that we know nothing yet." And Sharpton and Jesse Jackson getting involved is 99.999% about getting their mugs on TV. Disgusting.

I think that's a pretty minor infraction compared to the way other celebrity or pseudo-celebrity kids have been prostituted in the media, don't you?

Shit, go to Asia and watch people wander around with masks all the time (scared of pollution, germs, whatever). Even here in North America you see a bit of it.

I don't see the kids wearing face masks as that big of deal. For all I know it was the kids idea. I don't lots of children who want to behave like their parent(s.) Maybe MJ was simply trying to shield the children from the prying eyes of the public.

I haven't watched any of the coverage, but when my daughter and I stopped into a McDonald's to pee on Thursday night, we saw the story playing on the news. Somehow I was not surprised at all.

We listened to Michael Jackson songs on the ipod for the rest of the trip.

I haven't watched any news coverage or read anything about his death and I probably won't. As for speculation about Michael Jackson as a person - pfft, I could give a rat's ass. He left behind some great music, some good music and, frankly, some suckass music. All of that other crap is none of my business. Even though the Greer piece rb posted is a little over the top, I do admit that I've always felt that way about him...somewhat.

LOL