Michael Jackson is dead (was ...had cancer)
 

breaking news just in..

do you really think his bleaching had anything to do with the cancers , if they really are cancers).

if he knew that this was a risk, and he took that risk, then i have no sympathy for him.

Is it mean that the first thing I thought was "Micheal Jackson still has skin?"

He's a human being, a very messed up human being in a very strange and almost unique situation. I don't think there are many child stars who grow up well rounded.

He may or may not have vitiligo, if he doesn't have it, he has serious body image problems.

Either way, he's now diagnosed with cancer...

A human being with cancer, I think it's hard to be without sympathy for him at any level.

I am aware that we're both grandstanding here.

As for taking a risk and losing, is there no sympathy for the people who take paracetamol/aspirin/etc and suffer a massive allergic reaction? No sympathy for people who die in car/plane crashes? No sympathy for people who lead sedentary lives and then suffer heart attacks? No sympathy for men or women who use chemicals to bleach or dye their hair and suffer complications? etc.

Life is risk, some odds longer or shorter.

Pain is always worth sympathy. (Except for Thatcher)

Not much sympathy.

I think there's something else, that we all know about, that's driving the lack of sympathy. Even if that were true, that's also a sickness...

I hope you're never diagnosed... It's a terrible, terrible thing.

you're absolutely right. on some level i do have sympathy for him.

but its like someone using a solarium. people know there are risks involved, much higher risks than just being out in the sun, yet they continue to do it. do i have sympathy for those people? not really..from a view that they took a risk and it didnt pay off.

do i have sympathy for a human being with cancer, of course i do. its not a good thing. i saw she-lishs grandmother die from breast cancer. she dwindled to a quarter of the woman she was when i met her. so i have been touched by cancer and i know how this feels for some.

i aplogise for sounding so cocky in my OP. it wasnt my intention.

would people be more surprised/shocked that a black man got skin cancer than if it was anybod else?

Just for the record, they haven't said what kind of skin cancer he has and there are several different kinds. Since they are certain he will recover, it is probably basal cell carcinoma which is very common and rarely fatal. Many people develop these lesions without having had their skin bleached so I don't think it's safe to assume that Michael Jackson has it because he underwent a procedure for which there isn't even proof of in the first place. Seems like hype.

I thought Michael Jackson wasn't allowed in the USA. Isn't there some sort of sexual charge against him? On a sort of related note, two dancers who were auditioning for his O2 show said that Michael "glows in the dark"

Michael Jackson's skin glows in the dark

All the shots at Michael Jackson are just terrible. I honestly feel bad that he's been diagnosed. Dunno why.

Really? I think it's kind of funny....

It's pretty sad. I understand why he bleached his skin if he had vitiligo. I never understood his obsession with plastic surgery. He was such a good looking guy before he went under the knife.

The chemical (monobenzylether of hydroquinone) that is most commonly used to bleach skin in Vitiligo cases has been tested in a number of clinical trials. None of the trials showed any cases of skin cancer as a result of the chemical use. It is toxic to the melanin cells but supposedly not to any of the other skin cells.

On a side note Michael Jackson has also been diagnosed with Lupus but that has been in remission.

I wonder though if the combination of Vilitigo, Lupus, treatments that he took for those two conditions and who knows what other drugs he may have used or treatments he may have tried could cause the skin cancer issues. Apparently one of the treatments for Vitiligo is Ultraviolet exposure - THAT could have an effect on skin cancer. Perhaps he tried that before he bleached the skin.

My first thought was, "yeah that sounds about right."

Disclaimer: not to be confused with, "serves him right."

When I was a little kid in the '70's, there were these little gum records (albums) in a sleeve that was printed to look just like the full-sized true album, called "ChuBop's". I have no idea if my memories are correct but I think the "Jackson 5" was among them in addition to artist's like Blondie ("The Tide is High", anyone?!) and Pat Benetar.

That whole lead-in was for me to say that I remember the "original" pre-plastic surgery Michael Jackson. Not the "ABC, easy as 123" days, but the years from then to "Billie Jean", "Thriller" and beyond.

Given that I remember the original black, wider nosed MJ, I have very little sympathy for any side-effect's of his willing butchery of his own face. I also don't buy the "vitiligo" reason. Okay, he started his nose shaving at the exact same time he was "struck" with this disease that also made him look more caucasian? Riigghhhttt!

I have serious doubt's that anything he's had done has given him cancer and I think he has a very good chance of surviving the type he may have. My father has been battling this type for 30 yrs. Believe it or not, my distain towards MJ is because I grew up with him, respected him and have watched the sad train-wreck he has become. I'm not trying to be deliberately snarky but at least Janet and Latoya took a page from Michael and let their noses be after a couple of surgeries.

I just realized that in everyday life, I could give two shit's about MJ or any other celebrity and have no idea why I wrote this much about him. It has to be chalked up to nostalgia...

And now he's apparently suffered cardiac arrest and may be, in fact, dead.

Michael Jackson Photos & Pics | BREAKING NEWS! - MICHAEL JACKSON HOSPITALIZED!

OK, maybe not dead.

Well he wasnt breathing when the paramedics got there...so who knows?

Actually, now X17 is reporting that he IS dead. Too early to tell. If he is, we're probably a few hours away from a press release.

TMZ confirms:

Michael Jackson Dies | TMZ.com

edit: but then again, they're TMZ

Did not see that coming. Wasn't he just talking about doing several shows in London?

Yeah, he was. Farrah this morning and Michael in the afternoon. Does that close out the trio with Ed McMann earlier in the week?

TMZ Reports Michael Jackson is Dead
 

Breaking news.

Whilst he became a figure of fun several years ago, his early music stacks up with the best.

If this is true, I hope people remember that he was a young man who was severely messed up by his upbringing and vast sums of cash, rather than just rip him to shreds because he ended up as a creepy wierdo.

Im trying to remember who (if anyone) died with David Carradine

I suppose it is breaking, for I checked for your story (on Yahoo), and this article was posted just two minutes ago.

LA Times: Michael Jackson hospitalized - Yahoo! News

I give it 2 hours, max, before the jokes start up.

well damn. i thought he was going to tour again...

Coming soon, to a mortuary near you.... :orly:

He's dead.
Michael Jackson dead: reports - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

That's another rehash of the TMZ piece.

There's no independent corroboration yet, but I'm not going to be shocked if it's true. :no:

Yes there is....LA Times has confirmed it

Michael Jackson dead at 50
 

For those who don't know yet, Michael Jackson had a cardiac arrest today and died at the age of 50. Love him or hate him, you've got to admit he had a lot of influence on pop music. I was just a the grocery store waiting in line and the guy in front of me just turned around and told me. I was shocked. Bad week for celebs, Ed McMahon, Farah Fawcett, and now MJ. RIP.

It's true, I'm watching the announcement right now on MSNBC.

Oops, didn't see that. Thanks, ShaniFaye.

no problem :) I guess one of the mods needs to change the thread title...again

OMG! I had just heard that he had a heart attack in the car. I can't believe he's gone. :(

The bright side being that there might be a Thriller 2: Electric Boogaloo

CNN still hasn't confirmed, just listing 'multiple reports'

Multiple reports: Michael Jackson dies at 50 - CNN.com

The AP has confirmed...thats good enuff for me

I'll always remember Michael Jackson as the pop icon from my early childhood.

Wow... you know... I've made my fair share of MJ jokes over the years but I agree with what was said above Daniel...

known for the music he created rather than his personal life.... amazing artist/performer! I hope this isn't real.

I'm quite shocked (thought it was a publicity hoax) and truly I hope that he finds Peace somewhere out in the Heavens. With whatever God he believed in.

Sure it was fun making jokes about his weirdness; but to die at 50, well that's pretty sad. I hope the jokes wait a day or two....

I wouldnt celebrate anyone's death - but the allegations of child abuse are a more important part of his legacy to me than his undeniable talent.

Wow, this is some shit.

Let's hope they didn't take him to a children's hospital.

::stuck between making many totally inappropriate jokes and properly mourning a fascinating figure with unimaginable talent::

The NYTimes corroborated it with a city official in Los Angeles.

I'm truly saddened to hear of his passing. I hope he is remembered for all of the good things that he accomplished in life and all of the joy he brought to people through his music.

The first record I remember is Thriller. I used to sing along to "Beat It" with my Michael Jackson toy microphone.

I hope his kids come out of this okay.

I'm just going to go ahead and wipe the last 25 or so years of him from my memory. RIP

It's truly sad. He was full on crazy, but I think a lot of that was because of his fame. I would never try to apologize for what he may have done to kids, I have always just hoped it wasn't true. Anyway, two jokes:

"I guess it was time for him to Beat It."

"I knew he would do something dramatic to get out of his upcoming World Tour."

With all due respect to MJ and his loved ones and friends, RIP.

Holy Snap! Michael Jackson is dead!?!
 

OK, he was never gonna live to be 100 but really ...

Multiple reports: Michael Jackson dies at 50 - CNN.com

Entertainer Michael Jackson has died after being taken to a hospital on Thursday after suffering cardiac arrest, according to multiple reports including the Los Angeles Times and the Associated Press. CNN has not confirmed his death.


A Los Angeles fire official told CNN that paramedics arrived at Michael Jackson's home after a 911 call.

Jackson, 50, had been in a coma at the hospital, sources told CNN.

Brian Oxman, a Jackson family attorney, said he was told by brother Randy Jackson that Michael Jackson collapsed at his home in west Los Angeles, California, Thursday morning.

Family members were told of the situation and were either at the hospital or en route, Oxman said.

Fire Capt. Steve Ruda told CNN a 911 call came in from a west Los Angeles residence at 12:21 p.m.

Ruda said Jackson was treated and transferred to the UCLA Medical Center.

Asked specifics of the patient's condition, he said he could not discuss them because of federal privacy laws.

The music icon from Gary, Indiana, is known as the "King of Pop." Jackson had many No. 1 hits and his "Thriller" is the best-selling album of all time. Jackson "as big as it gets" »

Jackson is the seventh of nine children in a well-known musical family. He has three children, Prince Michael I, Paris and Prince Michael II.

At the medical center, every entrance to the emergency room was blocked by security guards. Even hospital staffers were not permitted to enter. A few people stood inside the waiting area, some of them crying.

A large crowd was also gathering outside the hospital, according to video footage.

Outside Jackson's Bel Air home, police arrived on motorcycles. The road in front of the home was closed in an attempt to hold traffic back, but several people were gathered outside the home.

/me weeps...

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I screwed up the move and merge.. sorry

And let's not forget his earlier work:

CNN keeps sending me SMS alerts that he is dead and my iPhone AP app seems hell bent on making me know it too. If this is all they have to inform me all the fuss in the Middle East must have been taken care of previously.

Michael truly rocked the 80's. I am sad to hear of his passing.

Maybe pop music will die with him.

originally posted by wooDs:
I give it 2 hours, max, before the jokes start up.



Shit like this doesn't belong here on TFP,
in my opinion.

or I guess it's okay by the 'rules' as they stand.

I'm gonna be sick.

i have to say that i dont have any particular feeling about this beyond a vague sadness human level for his family & friends. and for him.

"Tasteless" has never been against the rules and has been embraced at times.

Things like this belong here. Death does not immediately confer sainthood. MJ was a great artist and a completely fucked up human being. There's no issue with acknowledging the latter. Unless of course you're going to impart similar sentiments on the dearly departed Laverentii Beria, who reportedly liked little girls, or Lou Pearlman who liked little boys. Both were absolute geniuses at what they did, but had a dark side, like most people suspected of Jackson.

So yeah, you can speak ill of the dead here.

He was absolutely magical to me as a kid. As an adult, I find him odd and unfortunate. RIP.

Were tasteless against the rules here, the board would be lacking the righteous indignation that we've gotten accustomed to.

Often celebrity will make as many people sick of hearing about "greatness" as those who are in awe of it. Jazz's mention of Jackson's dark side is a valid point. But if many people's entertainment is worth more than the victimization of children we are a fucked society.

http://picturesforsadchildren.com/blog/famous.png

edit: also, wikipedia (via reddit) brings us a startling twist to this story...

http://imgur.com/1VcFm.jpg

Very strange to me that I was the last poster originally to this thread and had some strong words to say about MJ. I was going to start a new one but decided to search first. I hacked my original post below:

I STILL feel the same as I did when I wrote that and yet I found myself unexpectedly crying when I heard the update that he had actually died. I think my sadness is because of what I said previously, I grew up with him and respected him at some point. He was great at his height.

I think mortality comes into play too. He was only 12 years older than me and was a huge part of my older "formative" years. It's hard to fathom that rich people don't have a huge team of doctor's to scour them from head to toe to find any "red flag" long before it kills them. Michael was Michael though. RIP

OMG Tito No!!!

I suppose I was secretly looking forward to a new MJ cd. Best of luck in the afterlife anyways MJ.

Michael deserves respect for his contributions to the music world. He was a great performer, and I respect him for the things he did in that regard.

Regarding his personal issues, they were more tragic than anything. Everything that swirled around him painted a picture of a man who was deeply, fundamentally disturbed. I never got the impression that he was as depraved or evil as some made him out to be, though. Naive, perhaps. Having never met him, naturally, it's difficult for me to make any such claims in an authoritative fashion.

The abruptness of this heightens the impact.

He'll be missed.

I couldn't agree more. I'm more disgusted by the people in the media that basically called him a piece of shit over the last few years and now that he's dead are lining up to kiss his ass and talk about how great he was.

Like Jazz said, death doesn't make one a saint, otherwise people like Gacy and Dahmer wouldn't still be hated.

I'm not going as far to say that I'm glad he's dead, but I'm not going to be hypocritical and pretend like he's a wonderful person now that he's dead. THAT is what doesn't belong here: being fake about how you truly feel about something. That's just dishonest, which, to me, goes against what this place stands for, but that's just my opinion. :)

of all the Michaels' in the world, only two michaels ever come up in my mind on a first name basis.

Michael Jackson and Michael Jordon.

both legends in their own right. you've got to be amazing to be remembered as Michael, and as a performer Michael Jackson was just that.

personal problems aside, his music changed the life of many. I'd like to remember him for his music than his personal issues. i could definately write a eulogy about the positive aspects of his professional career, but thats where it'd stop.

RIP MJ

Spector: An interesting point.

I think it's important to avoid either extreme. He was a human, and a rather bizarre one at that. My own preference is to acknowledge both sides, rather than portray him as a saint or a villain.

But people like caricatures. They're easier to understand.

I am not as shocked over his death as I thought I might be. I think it's because I feel we lost Jackson years ago.

His music and his image leave an undeniable imprint on anyone growing up in the 70s and 80s. What he became in his later years was something else entirely.

All I know is that his death is greatly benefiting my company: We sold all 35-40 Michael Jackson CDs and DVDs we had in stock.

Honestly, it may seem callous, but a natural death isn't the worst thing that has had, or could have, happened to the poor man.

I feel like part of my childhood just died, as well. I grew up with MJ-- had Thriller on cassette, a replica of that red jacket he wore with all the zippers, and some random t-shirts when I was five or six. The video for "Thriller" scared the crap out of me, and I couldn't listen to the song in the dark.

I don't really "mourn" for people I don't know... but this definitely makes me sad.

The word is that he was injected with Demerol just before his heart attack. Sounds like this will be a drug related death. His cause of death is due to be released on Friday.

Rest in Peace, Michael.

You were a severely misunderstood person. I hope you find the peace and privacy in death that you wanted in life. You were the King of Pop. We will miss you.

I remember as a kid, heading to Disneyland with my family, and we would head over to Tomorrowland. Since I was too short to ride the Space Mountain roller coaster, we went to something that (in my mind, at the time) was light years better than that.

CAPTAIN E-O in 3D!!!!!!

STARRING MICHAEL JACKSON

Directed by Francis Ford Coppola

Captian E-O 1986 Part 1 (8 min)

Captian E-O 1986 Part 2 (8 min)

In Disneyland, there's some light entertainment while waiting in line for their attractions. Whether you're watching R2D2 and C3PO argue while repairing a shuttle craft at Star-Tours or walking through an ancient pyramid at the Indiana Jones ride, there's always something to keep you ocuppied. At Captain E-O, it was a Making-Of featurette, where they when over the special effects, make up, costuming, choreography, etc, and they spoiled the whole movie for everyone in line.

Spoiler: With Executive Producer Geogre Lucus, the movie has a Star Wars meets Jim Henson's Workshop to it. The plot of the film is that Captain EO and his crew are heading out to a planet that has been conquered a techno-organic overlord and give them "The Gift", which consists of a few New Jack Swing dance numbers that change the world to a New Eden.

The short film features the songs "Another Part of Me", which was released on the Bad album two years later, and "Here We Are to Change the World".

Captain EO - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In the late 90's, Captain EO was replaced with, Honey, I shrunk the Audiance.

I find it interesting that when the topic of Michael Jackson comes up, I frequently find myself in the position of defending him for this very reason.

I have a really hard time believing he was a bad person... just severely disturbed. And not in the child molester sense, but in the incredibly naïve and unable to function socially sense. Everyone recognized that he was not mentally healthy, and that made it easy to see him as a child molester. The thing is, I don't think he was mentally together enough to actually avoid being caught and convicted, and he certainly wasn't given special treatment.

It seems to me that he was a victim of his own massive success, combined with being the victim of a pretty messed up family. His song, "Childhood," in particular gives a crushing view into the pain that was in Michael Jackson's mind. It's a terribly sad song in the context of his life. He lived his entire life in the spotlight, and he just never learned to deal with it.

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Andrew Sullivan said it quite well...

The Daily Dish | By Andrew Sullivan

Oh lighten up ffs. I bet you're a hit at parties.

Toughen up or something as I'm certain you'll read about even more offensive jokes online and / or hear them irl.

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As initially indifferent I felt about this, I dreamed of Michael Jackson last night.

He's no more dead than Elvis, Cobain, Tupac and Lennon. He's just become eternal.

We no longer have saints, we have mythic celebrities.

"Who will exhume Brigitte Bardot and see if her fingers bleed? Who will test the sweet smell in the tomb of Marilyn Monroe? Who will slip with James Cagney's head? Is James Dean flexible?" Leonard Cohen, Beautiful Losers

For me, it comes down to this:

He was filled with talent and torment.

How soon we jump all over his allegations of sexual abuse, while forgetting or overlooking the severe physical and emotional abuse he suffered at the hands of his father.

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Michael Jackson currently owns the top 15 on Amazon.com:

other than when he was in the jackson 5, i think this was one of the best things he did.

...that's still no excuse.

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Is anything? :rolleyes:

I think it's pretty shitty that he gets more attention than Farrah or Ed. Although, I'm sure the families of the other two are seeing it as a blessing in disguise. Maybe if his family copyrights his name real quick, they can pay off his massive $400+ million debt.

His talent does not excuse his crimes, nor can his crimes in themselves really deny the sheer audacity of his talent as a performer.

As a human being he was deeply flawed, had a hard time growing up, but grew up to subject people to dispicable crimes (not proved in a court of law, but found wanting in the court of public opinion).

The tracks and video's he put out when he was younger will always be classics

As a human, the best I can say is that may he rest in peace. A deeply troubled and damaged life has come to an unhappy end. I wont light any candles for him... yesterday a lot of people who never abused a child died also. I think broadly we can say Jackson proabably was not a rapist, but probably was factually guilty of abuse of his position and taking advantage of people who were too young to be able to say no and too young to be involved in adult things in any case. But also it is nothing to celebrate and I take no joy nor wish to make silly jokes about the death of a human being.

SF, that was very well put. I agree with you.

Did it just get really cold in here or am I imagining things? :p

Dude, I know.... :surprised:

...i don't think you want the heat turned up though :p

Apparently, he almost took the Internet with him!

Jackson dies, almost takes Internet with him - CNN.com

It takes a lot to break the Internet, but everyone searching for stories and updates on MJ just about did it!

my faith in humanity dies a little more each day.

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/3562/disobedient.gif

*heads over to the joke thread...*

I'm not going to come in and dance on the guy's grave or anything, but I can't say that my life is any different now that he's dead. He's been completely off of my musical radar for about 25 years

RIP MJ.




I'll always enjoy the time we had together

You know, I'm just going to pretend that the last 20 years never happened, Michael Jackson-wise.

When I was in 5th Grade, Thriller came out--and was the first album I ever bought with my own money. I bought it on vinyl, and spent MANY hours listening to it sitting next to the hi-fi wearing my dad's big ol 70's headphones. I wore one white glove around. I took (and you should know, it pains me to admit this) break dancing classes down at the Rec Center. I learned to do the Wave. To Moonwalk. I was working on my Windmill. Out on a big piece of cardboard in my suburban back yard. I was, in short a Fan.

I'm saddened by the man's death, but I'm with Charlatan: I lost the Michael Jackson I loved decades ago, and I'm long since done mourning about that.

I still have my original Thriller vinyl

I guess I don't understand why the pedo thing "stuck" even though he was aqquitted of the charges. It just goes to prove that people will make up their mind about someone given the slightest bit of space to engage in personal fantasy.

Nobody stops to figure the accusing family was found to have lied under oath before and that the stories didn't match each time they were told, plus a history of extortionist behavior.

Thats why they threw it out to begin with.

Child molestation accusations are difficult to shake off even for normal people. Michael Jackson was undoubtedly a mentally disturbed individual, which just made it even easier to continue to believe the allegations even when he was never shown to be guilty. Personally, there's no way I think he was mentally together enough to evade the law not once, but twice, despite all the circumstantial evidence he was freely willing to admit to. The guy was seriously messed up, but I don't believe he was a child molester. Which, of course, makes his story even more tragic. When you get to be as big as Michael Jackson - literally the most famous entertainer of all time - it attracts a whole lot of terrible people. Combine that with the fact he had absolutely no childhood in which to develop normal interpersonal skills... it's a sad, sad story. And, no, I'm not thinking more highly of him because he recently died. I've been saying these things for years.

Thank you for saying that. :bowdown:

I have been saying for years that I honestly believe MJ never grew up, that somewhere his mind stayed somewhere around the age of 12 and he honestly and innocently enjoyed being around children. He had tons of money and people sought to take advantage.

I mean seriously, what self respecting parent would take any kind of payoff if allegations had been true? I know if it had been my child no amount of money would have kept me from refusing it to see the sorry ass of the person rotting in jail.

Exactly.

He's a tragic figure, no doubt. Between the clear psychological fallout of his early life, and the obvious body dysmorphism that drove him to all the plastic surgery, he didn't just have issues, he had a lifetime subscription.

You know, speaking of people taking advantage of a wealthy but vulnerable man... what kind of plastic surgeon keeps working on somebody who's so obviously sick? That guy needs to lose his license. It's as bad as the "doctors" who kept Anna Nicole's pills coming.

It's funny, but while Jackson has been castigated in some circles for his "unhealthy" relationship with minors, let's say, in some ways, he's been a very good father. The early dangling incident aside, he's largely kept his kids away from the spotlight that probably screwed him up so much. I wonder with him gone will the children now be prostituted by greedy agents and relatives eager for cash and their 15 minutes?

Or Michael Jackson's. I caught something on the news about his personal doctor calling 911 and then disappearing. Very strange. Wouldn't be surprised if he was just taking money for whatever prescription MJ wanted. Could be wrong, but it's suspicious.It's true. I saw a recent picture of him with his kids and I couldn't believe how old they have gotten. As much as I'm curious to hear what it was like to have MJ as a father, I hope they are allowed to continue their lives with privacy.

What a strange figure he was. I pay my respects to his musical talent.

It's sad that he died so young.

I sang 'Beat It' last night at a gig and people really enjoyed it. RIP MJ.