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sarcasmo · 07-01-2003, 06:14 PM

Anyone here into electronic music -- house, trance, drum & bass, etc.? What is your take on the current "decline" of dance music out of the mainstream popularity it found in the 90's? What of the disappearance of super-clubs and the state of club culture?

Nyenrodian · 07-01-2003, 06:24 PM

I am not really in to electronic music. But overhere it is as alive as ever. Especially the Trance and Hardhouse genres are massively popular as mainstream music nowadays. Especially DJ's like Tiësto are extremely popular in Europe.

How is it in the US? I always have the feeling that you guys have more of a rock culture than over here. Here it's mainly electronic music.

http://www.id-t.com This is a company that's gotten big during the Gabber period. They feature a live stream somewhere on the site. Maybe you'll like it.

-edit-
How stupid of me, I just realized it is in Dutch.

However, the pink box on the top right is where the live stream is located. Just click it and that should do the trick.

Nyenrodian · 07-01-2003, 06:27 PM

http://62.250.12.54:8000/listen.pls

Here is the direct link for the stream. Winamp is necessary.

X_cody_X · 07-02-2003, 01:10 PM

here in florida it seems that the music scene has declined for many reasons, mainly new laws to crack down on raves and late night clubs. But it also seems like the people that were going out to parties and raves in the "scene's" heyday have all grown up. Most of the people around here have graduated college and moved onto careers where they aren't able to party 48 hours straight all weekend. At the same time these people who were the "hardcore ravers" back in the day that wanted to keep the scene underground did just that. They kept it too underground, they weren't showing they're non-raving friends and younger friends what was going on with electronic music in hopes of keeping it underground. When these people outgrew the scene, there was nobody there to take their place at all the raves and massives and therefore the scene slowly started to die. Most of the people that are still in it, are in it for the drugs or the money(or both). I still go to the few quality events around here and you can tell who's been around a while, the 35 year old candy "kid" who got hooked on "e" and never did anything with his life, but he's got flyers from shows in '92! The majority of the other people are "promoters" who bring in no name DJs and charge an arm and a leg to get in. Then there's the ever growing amount of DJs out there, which makes it harder to sort through all the crappy DJs who've gotten their name out with bootleg CDs and charging clubs less to spin than a quality DJ would. There are so many bad DJs out there, it makes it hard for me to want to go out to the clubs and hear the same cheesy songs mixed poorly in every club.

On the other hand, there still are a few people out there making music for the love of music and they are fortunate enough to make a living off of what they actually love. The "scene" in most of florida is pretty much done, hopefully its a cycle that will cleanse itself of all the dirtbags and scum who are just hanging around trying to make that quick buck. And when the cycle is finished, hopefully something good will happen again and we can have a quality scene where its worth it to go out every weekend and party and have a good time listening to good music. Until then, I'll be in my studio, making music, hoping, and waiting.

< /rant >

rockzilla · 07-02-2003, 01:48 PM

^^^

Hit the nail on the head there. Most of my friends that started going to parties in the early-mid 90's have outgrown partying because the 'scene' is all about drugs and money. I got sick of being charged $40 for a ticket to a party that was going to get shut down because the promoter didn't bother getting any permits, or the biggest DJ on the card (who usually wasn't any good anyways) decided to no-show. There's still a bit of a 'scene' up here, but it pales in comparison to what was going on 5-6 years ago.

alec · 07-02-2003, 08:11 PM

I used to go to raves and clubs for a few years and always enjoyed it. People always question if its really music and the sincerity of people who went to them. True, lots of shitty scenesters attended raves, but lots of genuine, decent people went to them as well. Lots of creativity and intelligence goes into electronica and raves which seems to be overlooked by some of my better friends. But college came around and I found I was doing other things. Unfortunately, the best club in DC and one of the best in America (Buzz), got shut down because marines were selling drugs at their parties. I haven't been to a party in a few years, partly because I don't know where to begin and partly because no one seems to be interested in going with me to one anymore.

Anyhow, I still love electronica but find it hard to discover new artists. I've considered buying tables for a while but its an expensive hobby and have never had the balls to go through with it. Plus, my love for too many clashing electronica styles (psyTrance, house, jungle) would probably make me a terrible DJ.

It seems that electronica was bound to be a commodified counter culture trend in America. A good scene for insecure people who can mask their love for drugs by claiming love for a music, and an even better scene for the Right to demonize. The peak of it to me came when I watched Paul Oakenfold spinning on MTV with a panned shot to some kid who looked like he got lost going to the Dave Matthews show trying to dance to Sandstorm or whatever the fuck was being spun. In fact, I was bychance watching a Sabrina, Teenage Witch where Sabrina tells her guardian she's been invited to a rave, which is reponded to by "a rave, isnt that one of those crazy parties that gets busted by the police?".

From what I hear the parties still go on strong in Europe. I'm hoping to get to a Love Parade or some similar event (but no Ibiza) in the near future.

-alec

cheese · 07-03-2003, 05:53 AM

Whats this an elctronioca thread i havent replied to ? im slacking off.

anyway, i stoped going to partys about a year ago it had turned in to an exuse for 16 yr old candy kids (grr i hate) to roll / trip thire asses off. that being said The cops new it to, so the FEW partys that werent shut down had 3 dozen cops thire and it took a good hour to get in cuz you basicaly get strip seached. then the party turns out to be lame as hell, not only did i drop $30 but i stood out in the cold for an hour just so retards cant get in with drugs, witch they got in anyway in thie underware.

THEN my city passed an "all ages entertainment law" basicaly any even that has ppl under 18 has to be shut down by 11. NOW as we all knwo the promoters BEt on the 16 yr old e-tards to show. sence they cant go then no partys.

so you have to drive no less than an hour out of town to get to a party. i donno about you but after 6 hours of dancing i dont wanna drive 1 or 2 hours back home.

anyway fuck it im moving to holland

brandon11983 · 07-06-2003, 10:37 AM

in my non-hardcore moments, i like:

FSOL
Juno Reactor
Astral Projection
Paul Oakenfold
DJ Baby Anne
Sasha
John Digweed
The Crystal Method (eeeh... kinda poppish, but has a huge bass line that is W7 friendly)
Aphex Twin

X_cody_X · 07-07-2003, 04:38 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by brandon11983

DJ Baby Anne

you like her tracks or her "mixing"? have you heard her latest CD?

kurty[B] · 07-07-2003, 02:07 PM

Yeah, FSOL and Juno Reactor, two of my old favorites, I'm also a D&B fanatic nowadays, but even then Johnny L and LTJ Bukem are my favorite D&B artists. I was a late bloomer on the whole rave scene... Got into it right before it blew up, and had fun. Then it blew up... And then, I saw a special on MTV where they had a live rave, and of course it was all MTV'ized, and well, after that special I noticed the whole rave scene start to recess. Well, for a few months all the kiddies were out in mass, and everything was getting shut down left and right, and then the original rave-goers stopped, because their underground scene had been spoiled. There are still people around trying to get them together, I'm not sure whether drugs & money are about the only reasons for them (seems like a logical reason to me), but the only club that was doing techno on a regular basis and had some of my friends in their DJing decided to switch to a R&B and Hip Hop like every other club in town, and well, some of my friends were willing to make that shift to keep the cashflow coming, others refused, and still try to throw house-parties and such, but it's gone from underground warehouse parties, to huge crazy outdoor events, back to house parties, and some warehouse parties, I'm not sure if the whole scene will die soon, or if it will stay a rather underground aspect of society, but I had my fun while it lasted.

07-01-2003, 06:14 PM	#1 (permalink)
sarcasmo Upright Location: Canada	Electronic Music? Anyone here into electronic music -- house, trance, drum & bass, etc.? What is your take on the current "decline" of dance music out of the mainstream popularity it found in the 90's? What of the disappearance of super-clubs and the state of club culture?

07-06-2003, 10:37 AM	#8 (permalink)
brandon11983 Stereophonic Location: Chitown!!	in my non-hardcore moments, i like: FSOL Juno Reactor Astral Projection Paul Oakenfold DJ Baby Anne Sasha John Digweed The Crystal Method (eeeh... kinda poppish, but has a huge bass line that is W7 friendly) Aphex Twin __________________ Well behaved women rarely make history.

07-01-2003, 06:24 PM	#2 (permalink)
Nyenrodian Tilted	I am not really in to electronic music. But overhere it is as alive as ever. Especially the Trance and Hardhouse genres are massively popular as mainstream music nowadays. Especially DJ's like Tiësto are extremely popular in Europe. How is it in the US? I always have the feeling that you guys have more of a rock culture than over here. Here it's mainly electronic music. http://www.id-t.com This is a company that's gotten big during the Gabber period. They feature a live stream somewhere on the site. Maybe you'll like it. -edit- How stupid of me, I just realized it is in Dutch. However, the pink box on the top right is where the live stream is located. Just click it and that should do the trick.

07-01-2003, 06:27 PM	#3 (permalink)
Nyenrodian Tilted	http://62.250.12.54:8000/listen.pls Here is the direct link for the stream. Winamp is necessary.

07-02-2003, 01:10 PM	#4 (permalink)
X_cody_X Tilted Location: Brandon, FL	here in florida it seems that the music scene has declined for many reasons, mainly new laws to crack down on raves and late night clubs. But it also seems like the people that were going out to parties and raves in the "scene's" heyday have all grown up. Most of the people around here have graduated college and moved onto careers where they aren't able to party 48 hours straight all weekend. At the same time these people who were the "hardcore ravers" back in the day that wanted to keep the scene underground did just that. They kept it too underground, they weren't showing they're non-raving friends and younger friends what was going on with electronic music in hopes of keeping it underground. When these people outgrew the scene, there was nobody there to take their place at all the raves and massives and therefore the scene slowly started to die. Most of the people that are still in it, are in it for the drugs or the money(or both). I still go to the few quality events around here and you can tell who's been around a while, the 35 year old candy "kid" who got hooked on "e" and never did anything with his life, but he's got flyers from shows in '92! The majority of the other people are "promoters" who bring in no name DJs and charge an arm and a leg to get in. Then there's the ever growing amount of DJs out there, which makes it harder to sort through all the crappy DJs who've gotten their name out with bootleg CDs and charging clubs less to spin than a quality DJ would. There are so many bad DJs out there, it makes it hard for me to want to go out to the clubs and hear the same cheesy songs mixed poorly in every club. On the other hand, there still are a few people out there making music for the love of music and they are fortunate enough to make a living off of what they actually love. The "scene" in most of florida is pretty much done, hopefully its a cycle that will cleanse itself of all the dirtbags and scum who are just hanging around trying to make that quick buck. And when the cycle is finished, hopefully something good will happen again and we can have a quality scene where its worth it to go out every weekend and party and have a good time listening to good music. Until then, I'll be in my studio, making music, hoping, and waiting. < /rant >

07-02-2003, 01:48 PM	#5 (permalink)
rockzilla Junkie Location: The Kitchen	^^^ Hit the nail on the head there. Most of my friends that started going to parties in the early-mid 90's have outgrown partying because the 'scene' is all about drugs and money. I got sick of being charged $40 for a ticket to a party that was going to get shut down because the promoter didn't bother getting any permits, or the biggest DJ on the card (who usually wasn't any good anyways) decided to no-show. There's still a bit of a 'scene' up here, but it pales in comparison to what was going on 5-6 years ago.

07-02-2003, 08:11 PM	#6 (permalink)
alec Insane Location: Washington DC	I used to go to raves and clubs for a few years and always enjoyed it. People always question if its really music and the sincerity of people who went to them. True, lots of shitty scenesters attended raves, but lots of genuine, decent people went to them as well. Lots of creativity and intelligence goes into electronica and raves which seems to be overlooked by some of my better friends. But college came around and I found I was doing other things. Unfortunately, the best club in DC and one of the best in America (Buzz), got shut down because marines were selling drugs at their parties. I haven't been to a party in a few years, partly because I don't know where to begin and partly because no one seems to be interested in going with me to one anymore. Anyhow, I still love electronica but find it hard to discover new artists. I've considered buying tables for a while but its an expensive hobby and have never had the balls to go through with it. Plus, my love for too many clashing electronica styles (psyTrance, house, jungle) would probably make me a terrible DJ. It seems that electronica was bound to be a commodified counter culture trend in America. A good scene for insecure people who can mask their love for drugs by claiming love for a music, and an even better scene for the Right to demonize. The peak of it to me came when I watched Paul Oakenfold spinning on MTV with a panned shot to some kid who looked like he got lost going to the Dave Matthews show trying to dance to Sandstorm or whatever the fuck was being spun. In fact, I was bychance watching a Sabrina, Teenage Witch where Sabrina tells her guardian she's been invited to a rave, which is reponded to by "a rave, isnt that one of those crazy parties that gets busted by the police?". From what I hear the parties still go on strong in Europe. I'm hoping to get to a Love Parade or some similar event (but no Ibiza) in the near future. -alec

07-03-2003, 05:53 AM	#7 (permalink)
cheese Psycho Location: In your bath tub with all your other rubber toys	Whats this an elctronioca thread i havent replied to ? im slacking off. anyway, i stoped going to partys about a year ago it had turned in to an exuse for 16 yr old candy kids (grr i hate) to roll / trip thire asses off. that being said The cops new it to, so the FEW partys that werent shut down had 3 dozen cops thire and it took a good hour to get in cuz you basicaly get strip seached. then the party turns out to be lame as hell, not only did i drop $30 but i stood out in the cold for an hour just so retards cant get in with drugs, witch they got in anyway in thie underware. THEN my city passed an "all ages entertainment law" basicaly any even that has ppl under 18 has to be shut down by 11. NOW as we all knwo the promoters BEt on the 16 yr old e-tards to show. sence they cant go then no partys. so you have to drive no less than an hour out of town to get to a party. i donno about you but after 6 hours of dancing i dont wanna drive 1 or 2 hours back home. anyway fuck it im moving to holland

07-07-2003, 02:07 PM	#10 (permalink)
kurty[B] Sauce Puppet	Yeah, FSOL and Juno Reactor, two of my old favorites, I'm also a D&B fanatic nowadays, but even then Johnny L and LTJ Bukem are my favorite D&B artists. I was a late bloomer on the whole rave scene... Got into it right before it blew up, and had fun. Then it blew up... And then, I saw a special on MTV where they had a live rave, and of course it was all MTV'ized, and well, after that special I noticed the whole rave scene start to recess. Well, for a few months all the kiddies were out in mass, and everything was getting shut down left and right, and then the original rave-goers stopped, because their underground scene had been spoiled. There are still people around trying to get them together, I'm not sure whether drugs & money are about the only reasons for them (seems like a logical reason to me), but the only club that was doing techno on a regular basis and had some of my friends in their DJing decided to switch to a R&B and Hip Hop like every other club in town, and well, some of my friends were willing to make that shift to keep the cashflow coming, others refused, and still try to throw house-parties and such, but it's gone from underground warehouse parties, to huge crazy outdoor events, back to house parties, and some warehouse parties, I'm not sure if the whole scene will die soon, or if it will stay a rather underground aspect of society, but I had my fun while it lasted.