POLL: What has been the lowest thing the pop music industry has sunk to? - Page 2 - Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

God of Thunder · 07-02-2003, 07:35 AM

Everyone here seems to forget (or is too young to realize) that pre-fab pop IS NOT NEW!! Every generation has had their share of it.

A majority of the "Major artists" never wrote their own material. That includes the greats: Elvis, Sinatra, 90% of the Motown artists and groups well into the 70's, 80's and 90's.

It just seems that todays stuff seems to be worse.

I voted for Milli Vanilli, because up to that point, the singer was allowed to perform the song, regarless of who wrote it. In this case someone wrote the songs, someone else sang them and then Rob & Fabrice were brought in to "perform" the songs for video and concerts.

It was all about image and not about material. That's when things took a turn for the worse, because the only thing the music industry "learned" from it was to hire better looking people to sing the songs in the first place.

hawkeye · 07-02-2003, 04:51 PM

I voted other, April, 50c, MnM, and the whole fake punk thing (kw, you nailed it.) are what really get me, tho I would have voted 'all of the above'

bundy · 07-03-2003, 07:21 PM

censorship is the lowest.
even if it is Madonna.

Sleepyjack · 07-05-2003, 06:35 AM

ok i just posted in that mega rant thread, anyways, in summation i agree that its the pop industry in itself. In that they have reduced music to a quantifiable product, from such a beautiful qualitative art. Such a transformtaion is inexplicable.
Music is an art not a product.

see the definitions:

art:
Human effort to imitate, supplement, alter, or counteract the work of nature.

The conscious production or arrangement of sounds, colors, forms, movements, or other elements in a manner that affects the sense of beauty, specifically the production of the beautiful in a graphic or plastic medium.

product
Something produced by human or mechanical effort or by a natural process.

edit: added definitions

dankitti · 07-05-2003, 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bundy
censorship is the lowest.
even if it is Madonna.

one last time, she pulled her own video. madonna withdrew her OWN video, deciding not to show it. that says to you censorship somehow, when it is her own decision to NOT show the video. whatever.

Derwood · 07-06-2003, 05:41 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by dankitti
one last time, she pulled her own video. madonna withdrew her OWN video, deciding not to show it. that says to you censorship somehow, when it is her own decision to NOT show the video. whatever.

WHY did she pull it? Under some sort of pressure, whether direct or indirect. It may not be censorship in the form of one person telling another to stop doing something, but it is self-censorship of one buckling under a certain political climate.

frankx · 07-06-2003, 06:45 PM

I voted for Prefab crap. I was forced to listen to some of this dreck on a recent trip (It was Nsuck, i believe). I am amazed at the sickeningly sweet vomit the music industry is foisting on people, particularly young ones.

YaWhateva · 07-06-2003, 06:47 PM

i am pretty sure the girls from T.A.T.U are 18 and they can keep doing their fake lesbian thing all they want.

I voted for Jenny on the Block.

human · 07-06-2003, 11:11 PM

First off, on the Madonna thing : Watched an interview about an hour ago on MuchMusic. Apparantly when she started making the video, US was in the get hyped up phase of the war. By the time production and editing of the video was finished, CNN had gotten around to covering the ground war. In other words, it was concieved when war was still a ways off and her goal was to help stave off the popular drive for war. However, when the video was completed, she felt that it would be mocking the troops that were actually doing the slaught^H^H^H^H^H fighting. It's not like it's gone for good, it will be back in a few months.

Anyhow on to the polls and since we're talking about the state of pop music... :

1. Prefab bands have been around since the dawn of pop music (1880's or so) so that's pretty integral to pop music.
2. Songwriting teams have nearly always done better than the single artist, whether that be brill building guys writing for their hundreds of doo wop one hit wonders, the J-Lo team, or Lennon-McCartney. Teams are good for pop. (though that is one piss poor song, but we'll just chalk that up to taste...)
3. C&C music factory, pop has been about image since Sinatra at least, so you had to see that one coming. It also sucks, but that's what you have to do to make it in pop music
4. Madonna thing : Covered above, but what we dont' know scares me.
5. Milli Vanilli lypsynching - Say what you want about those two guys, the songs were huge. Someone wrote them and knew they'd be big, but needed the image. So they hired the image. This is pop business at it's finest. I just wish that they gave the grammy to the real singer/writer instead of just stripping it from the pretty boys.
6. TATU. That's just funny. I wish Britney would take a lesson on sexuality from them (though not dancing/singing lessons I think we know who has more talent there...)
7. Other - RIAA is eeeeeeeeevil!

So the lowest level the pop music industry has sunk to? My vote goes to..... Other: Pro tools. (WTF you say?) Having learned from Milli Vanilli, they got high tech. Various tools will let you change the pitch of your voice so your recording can be in tune. You keep all of the interesting aspects of 'your' voice, but it magically hits all the right notes. This is bad because not only are songwriting and musical talent no longer important for our pop heroes, we're at a point where singing is no longer important. Lip Synch for live shows, sing in the studio, but diddle with the vocal track until you are perfectly in tune. All you really need is a distinctive voice and good looks. And no amount of practice or talent will give you that, that's a genetic crapshoot.

Hope that made sense, it is a bit after 3am now but I saw something on pop music and got all excited

JohnnyRock · 07-07-2003, 07:58 AM

My vote went for othereand that other is supposed Rock Bands that have a DJ and rap instead of sing...

Stiltzkin · 07-29-2003, 11:50 AM

It's all about classical music from the Rennissance periods and music from Squaresoft RPG's! w00t!!!

LivingDead · 07-29-2003, 07:51 PM

I can't stand the fact that pop artists don't write the majority (if any) of their material.
It's all written for them.

Fagabeefe · 07-29-2003, 09:53 PM

Lowest the music business has sunk?

How about CD's that cost about $1-3 to produce being sold for $15-20 each?

HEY YOU MUSIC INDUSTRY STOOGES!!!

WHY DO YOU THINK MUSIC PIRACY IS SO FUCKING POPULAR, YOU GREEDY KNUCKLE DRAGGERS!!!

AnUnkind · 07-29-2003, 10:41 PM

You mean that whole underage lesbian thing was fake? Those lying bitches, I gotta go break my CDs... damn this peeves me...

Acme-143 · 07-29-2003, 10:45 PM

My vote would have to be "forming the Sex Pistols".

fuzzix · 07-30-2003, 06:07 AM

They are all HEINOUS crimes!

07-30-2003, 09:52 AM

American Idol has got to be the worst thing pop has ever done.

View Poll Results: What is the lowest thing that the pop music industry has sunk to?
Prefabricated groups (Spice Girls, N'Sync, O-Town)	35	33.02%
Taking 10 people to write J-Lo's "Jenny from the block"	19	17.92%
C&C Music Factory replacing overweight singer with hot model in music videos.	5	4.72%
Censoring Madonna's "American Life" video, branding her as un-American.	10	9.43%
Milli Vanilli lip-syncing to other people's vocals.	8	7.55%
T.A.T.U. - using fake lesbianism to sell music.	19	17.92%
Other	10	9.43%
Voters: 106. You may not vote on this poll

07-02-2003, 07:35 AM	#41 (permalink)
God of Thunder Talk nerdy to me Location: Flint, MI	Everyone here seems to forget (or is too young to realize) that pre-fab pop IS NOT NEW!! Every generation has had their share of it. A majority of the "Major artists" never wrote their own material. That includes the greats: Elvis, Sinatra, 90% of the Motown artists and groups well into the 70's, 80's and 90's. It just seems that todays stuff seems to be worse. I voted for Milli Vanilli, because up to that point, the singer was allowed to perform the song, regarless of who wrote it. In this case someone wrote the songs, someone else sang them and then Rob & Fabrice were brought in to "perform" the songs for video and concerts. It was all about image and not about material. That's when things took a turn for the worse, because the only thing the music industry "learned" from it was to hire better looking people to sing the songs in the first place. __________________ I reject your reality, and substitute my own -- Adam Savage

07-02-2003, 04:51 PM	#42 (permalink)
hawkeye back from sabbatical Location: Mosptopia	I voted other, April, 50c, MnM, and the whole fake punk thing (kw, you nailed it.) are what really get me, tho I would have voted 'all of the above' __________________ You're not fat, You're just a giant ball of love, covered in anger.

07-03-2003, 07:21 PM	#43 (permalink)
bundy . Location: Tokyo	censorship is the lowest. even if it is Madonna. __________________ Ohayo!!!

07-05-2003, 06:35 AM	#44 (permalink)
Sleepyjack Fast'n'Bulbous Location: Australia, Perth	ok i just posted in that mega rant thread, anyways, in summation i agree that its the pop industry in itself. In that they have reduced music to a quantifiable product, from such a beautiful qualitative art. Such a transformtaion is inexplicable. Music is an art not a product. see the definitions: art: Human effort to imitate, supplement, alter, or counteract the work of nature. The conscious production or arrangement of sounds, colors, forms, movements, or other elements in a manner that affects the sense of beauty, specifically the production of the beautiful in a graphic or plastic medium. product Something produced by human or mechanical effort or by a natural process. edit: added definitions Last edited by Sleepyjack; 07-05-2003 at 06:47 AM..

07-06-2003, 06:45 PM	#47 (permalink)
frankx Psycho Location: The Tip of the Boot	I voted for Prefab crap. I was forced to listen to some of this dreck on a recent trip (It was Nsuck, i believe). I am amazed at the sickeningly sweet vomit the music industry is foisting on people, particularly young ones. __________________ Louisiana: We're Not ALL Drunken Cajun Wackos, But That's Our Tourism Campaign

07-06-2003, 06:47 PM	#48 (permalink)
YaWhateva Friend Location: New Mexico	i am pretty sure the girls from T.A.T.U are 18 and they can keep doing their fake lesbian thing all they want. I voted for Jenny on the Block. __________________ “If the Americans go in and overthrow Saddam Hussein and it's clean, he has nothing, I will apologize to the nation, and I will not trust the Bush administration again.” - Bill O'Reilly "This is my United States of Whateva!"

07-06-2003, 11:11 PM	#49 (permalink)
human Tilted Location: Ottawa, ON, Canada	First off, on the Madonna thing : Watched an interview about an hour ago on MuchMusic. Apparantly when she started making the video, US was in the get hyped up phase of the war. By the time production and editing of the video was finished, CNN had gotten around to covering the ground war. In other words, it was concieved when war was still a ways off and her goal was to help stave off the popular drive for war. However, when the video was completed, she felt that it would be mocking the troops that were actually doing the slaught^H^H^H^H^H fighting. It's not like it's gone for good, it will be back in a few months. Anyhow on to the polls and since we're talking about the state of pop music... : 1. Prefab bands have been around since the dawn of pop music (1880's or so) so that's pretty integral to pop music. 2. Songwriting teams have nearly always done better than the single artist, whether that be brill building guys writing for their hundreds of doo wop one hit wonders, the J-Lo team, or Lennon-McCartney. Teams are good for pop. (though that is one piss poor song, but we'll just chalk that up to taste...) 3. C&C music factory, pop has been about image since Sinatra at least, so you had to see that one coming. It also sucks, but that's what you have to do to make it in pop music 4. Madonna thing : Covered above, but what we dont' know scares me. 5. Milli Vanilli lypsynching - Say what you want about those two guys, the songs were huge. Someone wrote them and knew they'd be big, but needed the image. So they hired the image. This is pop business at it's finest. I just wish that they gave the grammy to the real singer/writer instead of just stripping it from the pretty boys. 6. TATU. That's just funny. I wish Britney would take a lesson on sexuality from them (though not dancing/singing lessons I think we know who has more talent there...) 7. Other - RIAA is eeeeeeeeevil! So the lowest level the pop music industry has sunk to? My vote goes to..... Other: Pro tools. (WTF you say?) Having learned from Milli Vanilli, they got high tech. Various tools will let you change the pitch of your voice so your recording can be in tune. You keep all of the interesting aspects of 'your' voice, but it magically hits all the right notes. This is bad because not only are songwriting and musical talent no longer important for our pop heroes, we're at a point where singing is no longer important. Lip Synch for live shows, sing in the studio, but diddle with the vocal track until you are perfectly in tune. All you really need is a distinctive voice and good looks. And no amount of practice or talent will give you that, that's a genetic crapshoot. Hope that made sense, it is a bit after 3am now but I saw something on pop music and got all excited

07-07-2003, 07:58 AM	#50 (permalink)
JohnnyRock Addict Location: Taxachussetts	My vote went for othereand that other is supposed Rock Bands that have a DJ and rap instead of sing... __________________ Not only do I not know the answer...I don't even know what the question is!!!

07-29-2003, 11:50 AM	#51 (permalink)
Stiltzkin Junkie	It's all about classical music from the Rennissance periods and music from Squaresoft RPG's! w00t!!! __________________ The most important thing in this world is love.

07-29-2003, 07:51 PM	#52 (permalink)
LivingDead Crazy	I can't stand the fact that pop artists don't write the majority (if any) of their material. It's all written for them.

07-29-2003, 09:53 PM	#53 (permalink)
Fagabeefe What? WHAT?! Location: Over here	Lowest the music business has sunk? How about CD's that cost about $1-3 to produce being sold for $15-20 each? HEY YOU MUSIC INDUSTRY STOOGES!!! WHY DO YOU THINK MUSIC PIRACY IS SO FUCKING POPULAR, YOU GREEDY KNUCKLE DRAGGERS!!! __________________ If you can't make fun of yourself... Well at least there's always the French! Those chese-eating surrender monkeys!

07-29-2003, 10:41 PM	#54 (permalink)
AnUnkind Crazy Location: INCONUS	You mean that whole underage lesbian thing was fake? Those lying bitches, I gotta go break my CDs... damn this peeves me... __________________ yeah, you SHOULD feel stupid....

07-29-2003, 10:45 PM	#55 (permalink)
Acme-143 Tilted Location: Hellhole, Arizona	My vote would have to be "forming the Sex Pistols". __________________ All your base are belong to us!!! You will never know the simple pleasures of a monkey knife fight.

07-30-2003, 06:07 AM	#56 (permalink)
fuzzix Psycho Location: Australia	They are all HEINOUS crimes! __________________ I'm most definately not 'lovin' it'.

07-30-2003, 09:52 AM	#57 (permalink)
Ruiner Guest	American Idol has got to be the worst thing pop has ever done.