rideough

So do ya?...You know the kind with singing not cookie monster.
Well I found out about this band Early Man on Much Loud last night and they are frickin awesome. here's a link...they rawk~!

Early Man

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Toaster126

Does Killswitch Engage count as "real metal"? If so, then yes.

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Derwood

I like early Metallica, Pantera, Ministry and the like. I don't like "terminal throat cancer" metal.

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optik_nerve

Not so much Metallica but Ministry -- Fuck yea.

Tophat665

I like Brass. That's real metal. John Phillip Sousa. Rocking stuff. ;-)

OK, kidding. Yes. Old School. Sabbath, Maiden, Mötörhead.

Also, Megadeath (though not so much Metallica - it's an attitude thing. Metallica tries too hard.)

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saut

There are legions of metalheads that would be marching to your door with pitchforks and torches if they read your assessment of "true metal." I've found that most metal with only clean singing is pretty lacking in the instrumental department. Learn to cope with some extreme vocals and you'll find some really great music. I once thought the same way about the cookie monster vocals -- that it was ridiculous and had no place in music. That stigma is still there to an extent, and there's still a good deal of metal I can't listen to because the vocals are just too horrible, but don't automatically rule out a band just because they don't use traditional vocals. Opeth, early Ulver, Agalloch, and Novembre are a few of these bands that I think everyone can appreciate in some way -- and all use clean singing in addition to extreme vocals.

Jadedfox

Try Opeth. It's probably going to change the way you think about metal music. I know Opeth had that effect on me.

--jaded

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Derwood

i've tried it, and despite the great music, i just can't get past the screaming

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noahfor

I saw Early Man. They were pretty good, so I bought the CD, but I didn't like it as much as the live show.

jth

early Metallica, Sabbath and Madien, damn straight I like real metal. And hell Led Zepplin could be considered the 1st ever Metal band and Damn it if that's real Metal then give it to me 24/7

%99 of anything new out there now, no thank you.

Tophat665

Damn! I forgot my favorite Metal band.


Jethro Tull.

(They did win the first metal grammy, and beat out Metallica to do it, embarrassing everyone involved.)

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pan6467

I once tried to eat some silver coins.... they had a very nasty taste... maybe if I had boiled them in water and added some salt and pepper ......

And as the KINKS are considered the gandfathers of heavy metal, how can I not like it? It all stems from Dave's rocking solo in "You Really Got Me". Or so many rock scholars say.... personally, as much as I love the KINKS, Chuck Berry's guitar was the beginning of true metal.

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Redjake

I like Nickelback, does that count?

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FoolThemAll

Yep, the 'extreme' (read: horrible) vocals are a bit too much for me.

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Toaster126

Pretty much all of these bands would be better without the "extreme vocals".

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Glory's Sun

I like some growling.. I like crazy vocals.. but Opeth is pure shit. Yup you read that right S H I T.

hossified

slipknot, metalica, soulfly, motorhead, some sweet metal bands...

does nickelback count...haha.....only if you are counting faggy bands that re-hash 4 songs over and over again...

CSflim

Hahhah. Nice one!

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My mp3 player has Pantera, Metallica, Megadeth, Motorhead, Black Sabbath, Anthrax, Black Label Society, Slipknot, Machine Head, Tool, Ozzy, White/Rob Zombie and Damageplan. I'm not a big fan of what Dave Mustaine called, "cookie monster" vocals, but they work well when not overused.

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kutulu

I love metal, but I hate the 'true metal' label that gets passed around. It reeks of conformity and snobbery, something I've always felt is anti-metal. I put my favorite bands into groups:

Classic thrash:
Metallica (yes, all Metallica)
Megadeth
Slayer

90's metal:
Pantera
Sepultura
Machine Head

Death/Grindcore:
Napalm Death
Carcass
Death

Industrial Metal:
Ministry
Fear Factory
Static X (even though they are a little pussyish)

Melodic Death Metal:
Sentenced
In Flames
The Black League

Stoner Metal:
Down
COC
Clutch

Alternative Metal
Faith No More (and anything else Patton)
Tool
Deftones
SOAD

Punk/Metal Crossover
DRI
SOD

That covers the bulk of what I listen to. You can get about 100 albums from those bands. IMO, each one is a must have. Metal is a truly diverse form of music that is ever-changing and constantly re-inventing itself. Other forms of music like rap, mainstream rock, pop, etc. change but you'll never hear the vast diversity that you get from metal (even from the same bands, ie Metallica, Sentenced, Carcass all started at one point and ended up in a completely different place than where they started). At least 75% of the most talented guitarists, bassists, and drummers play in metal bands. Few get noticed by the press. I'm so sick of metal not getting credit yet I don't want the mainstream to ruin what is so perfect.

hilbert25

Let's not forget that a possibly apocryphal story of the beginning of the term "Heavy Metal" came from one reporter's review of a Jimi Hendrix concert. He described Jimi's playing as "heavy metal falling from the sky."

Now I have to agree with a lot of the people here that don't like the "cookie monster" stuff. Those bands are not better musicians simply because they play faster, don't have a singer, and nobody's heard of them. I bet few if any could match Slayer for speed, or Zeppelin or Sabbath for songwriting and I've listened to quite a bit of it of that stuff since a local college radio station plays nothing but metal of all types.

How could a metal thread not mention Manowar? That's a band that needs to be mentioned for true metal, as well as Judas Priest.

hilbert25

"True Metal" refers to a state of mind. It refers to Arena Shows with pyrotechnics and overblown guitar riffs and cheesy lyrics possibly with satanic themes. It refers to bands made up of guys with big hair and bigger egos. When talking about metal, there's True Metal and then there's everything else.

saut

Heck we could even say that it all began with Bach or Wager. A lot of metal is very similar to both composers, actually.

Care to back that up with any kind of reasoning? The TFP usually frowns upon trolling.

Care to elaborate? I think the reason I like Opeth's vocal variance is because it makes the music so much more dynamic. I think a song like The Drapery Falls showcases this pretty well. That song would not be nearly as good without the seamless transition from death to clean vocals at the end. I think it enhances the power of the clean singing, actually.

kutulu

You gotta give it a chance. I didn't like it either till I heard Napalm Death. Extreme music at its best. Faster than Slayer and just about the heaviest thing you've ever heard. Songwriting is subjective.

Cause they're gay as hell?

Jadedfox

Care to put some arguments behind that statement?

--jaded

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Glory's Sun

oh noes! the Opeth police are out.

First of all, I don't need to be reminded of the rules here. I know them through and through. Secondly, I don't need to argue my opinion about a band. Some people are fanatical about Linkin Park, yet most people in here would automatically blast Linkin Park for no reason. I've listed to Opeth over and over and thought they sucked. It's pretty much that simple. I found them to be boring with a touch of "I wish I was metal so I'm gonna try really hard". If you like Opeth fine, buy their CD's and make sure they have plenty of booze on the bus, just don't sit there and call me a troll because I stated an opinion.

It's no different than people saying that Opeth will change your mind about metal and yada yada yada. The two people on here that have the best knowledge of metal (this is pure opinion here..don't twist it) didn't even list Opeth in their lists. Do they like Opeth.. maybe. Do I care.. not really.

kutulu

I didn't list Opeth because I've never listened to them. I'm always in search of new good music and I like it when I start listening to an existing band with a long history because I'll have several new albums to digest. Some day I'll get around to listening to them.

Expanding on calling songwriting talent a subjective item:

What defines good songwriting? Mass appeal, mood setting, ability to transition through different themes, seamless fusion of lyical content, vocal sounds, and musical tones? All those things are part of it but it's often used as an easy out for justifying talentless musicians that are somehow popular (Nirvana, Pearl Jam?). Additionally, there are different standards for every genre. Personally I think Led Zepplin sucks hairy donkey balls and is the most overrated rock band ever but if you listen to albums like Ride the Lightning (Metallica), Amok (Sentenced), Sound of Perseverence (Death), and NOLA (Down) you can see that there is just so much to those albums those albums rival the best ever made.

kutulu

It just isn't a thread on metal if there isn't a little shit talking going on. As long as we don't let it devolve into a blabbermouth thread we're doing fine.

Coppertop

No one here has mentioned Prong? I cannot be the only one who still listens to them, can I?

kutulu

I never got too much into them, in fact I'm not sure I've ever listened to one of their albums all the way through. They had a few good songs though. I haven't heard the song "Prove you Wrong" in like 7 years but I still get it stuck in my head sometimes.

whiplash13

You should check out a band called Sick of it All. You would probably really like them. A little suprised you don't have Godsmack on your list.

Glory's Sun

I totally agree.. but there's a difference in talking shit about a band and insinuating that someone is just trolling..


anyway, Godsmack is a decent band live. I've been to a couple of shows, but I just-- I dunno they seem pretty pussy to me when compared to the metal world.

hilbert25

Good songwriting is completely subjective, but it's far more than just who can play the fastest or loudest. Now you're just nuts. To say Zeppelin is pure shit, but then list Ride the Lightning as a best album ever made, even James Hetfield would probably say he was just banging on a guitar. Now if you had said And Justice for all, then you might be on to something.

Everybody is a music snob at heart who thinks the established bands suck whereas their band that no one's ever heard of is the greatest ever, but few have tried to use Ride the Lightning in that way since like 1985.

hilbert25

I never said they were a heterosexual metal band.

They just rock too hard to not be homoerotic.

kutulu

I meant to add in 'for their styles'. Perhaps "sucks hairy donkey balls" is a little extreme for LZ but I just can't stand them. Plant's voice drives me crazy.

Come on, RtL is sooo much better than AJFA. No comparison. If you said MoP, that's too close to call... Kill 'Em All was the album where they were just banging away.

That's how I feel abotu Godsmack also. They are nice to hear on the radio, see live, etc. but they are just too 'jock rock' for me.

saut

Mentioning Godsmack in a metal thread explains a lot.

Glory's Sun

I wasn't the one to bring them up

spectre

Agreed. To me, metal is about the attitude, and they just don't have it.

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Derwood

I don't think Godsmack thinks they are metal. They are arena rock.

Must read for metal fans

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noahfor

When Chuck Berry first touched a guitar he invented the calculus. Did you know that the atoms in Chuck Berry's guitar have both a definite position and velocity.

Check out Wintersun. They're good.