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ems · 03-17-2005, 02:20 AM

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Porsche Panamera: Concept version of automaker's fourth model line due this fall

Porsche’s anticipated fourth model line has a name: Panamera. Registered by Porsche at the same time as the Cayman moniker it is applying to the upcoming Boxster-based coupe, the new name is expected to grace a concept version of the car, which insiders describe as a combination of coupe and sedan, at the Frankfurt motor show in September.

Due out in 2008, the Panamera has been conceived as successor to the 928. Designed with space for four adults, it is also tipped to come clothed in a four-door body in a move that will pitch it into direct competition with cars like the Mercedes-Benz CLS and Maserati Quattroporte.

Secrecy surrounds the mechanical basis for the new car, though the Stuttgart rumor mill suggests Porsche chairman Wendelin Wiedeking has forged links with Volkswagen on a new rear-wheel-drive platform program in a move similar to that undertaken with the Cayenne and Touareg. Volkswagen chairman Bernd Pischetsrieder is interested in adding a new rear-wheel-drive model to the Volkswagen lineup between the Passat and Phaeton, and after the recent breakdown in talks with Maserati, it seems additional cooperation with Porsche may be in the cards.

Power for the new car is set to come from the same 4.5-liter V8 engines as those offered on the Cayenne. They include a naturally aspirated version with 340 hp and a turbo_charged unit with 450 hp. An even more powerful model with more than 500 hp is also in the pipeline. Up to 20,000 examples of the Panamera are expected to roll annually from Porsche’s Leipzig factory in Germany, where it will be produced alongside the Cayenne.

http://www.autoweek.com/news.cms?newsId=101990

mazagmot · 03-17-2005, 02:35 AM

If that's what the production car will really look like, I like it. It's so clean. Very beautiful, and even better with 400+ horsepower. I wonder if they'll put an awd system in it like the 911 and cayenne

desal75 · 03-17-2005, 03:37 AM

They should have made that before the Cayenne

matthew330 · 03-17-2005, 06:15 AM

It kinda looks like someone stepped on the cayenne. The back doors open backwards?

dirtyrascal7 · 03-17-2005, 07:39 AM

oh my god that's ugly... it looks like something chrysler would design. this is just all kinds of wrong.

Scorps · 03-17-2005, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by matthew330

It kinda looks like someone stepped on the cayenne. The back doors open backwards?

Thats why the door handles are like that!

Cynthetiq · 03-17-2005, 09:47 AM

all to compete with the upcoming MB 4 door luxo coupe.

Halx · 03-17-2005, 11:46 AM

4 door coupe? That doesn't make sense, since 'coupe' pretty much means '2' and in.. 2 doors. I'm confused.

Cynthetiq · 03-17-2005, 12:08 PM

me too... I saw it the other day on the mbusa.com site. the new CLS is a 4door luxo coupe

link

lite campfire · 03-17-2005, 02:03 PM

Yeah, that's the car I thought of when I saw this.
I think the Porsche looks better though. I'm cautiously optimistic about this, hoping it's more along the lines of the M5 then anything else.

Scorps · 03-17-2005, 02:35 PM

Is there a front shot?

Cynthetiq · 03-17-2005, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Pain Train

Is there a front shot?

a quick google search netted:

thatoneguy · 03-17-2005, 02:46 PM

Hmmm... that one above has normal rear doors, not the ones that swing "backwards," I wonder if that one at the top of the thread is a concept and the production car will have normal doors.

Willravel · 03-17-2005, 03:39 PM

Wow, that's beautiful. I used to race in a 928 at Laguna Seca a few years back. This will be on my wish list.

Ilow · 03-17-2005, 04:13 PM

I actually really like it. normally I think car companies should stick to what they do best (i.e. cayenne WTF?) but it should give MB some competition.

ems · 03-17-2005, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Halx

4 door coupe? That doesn't make sense, since 'coupe' pretty much means '2' and in.. 2 doors. I'm confused.

it seems to be all the rage in the auto-industry now, plus the MBZ CLS is a hot seller...

i saw one a few weeks back here in LA:

GetRdone · 03-17-2005, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by thatoneguy

Hmmm... that one above has normal rear doors, not the ones that swing "backwards," I wonder if that one at the top of the thread is a concept and the production car will have normal doors.

I think the term your looking for is "suicide doors"

Scorps · 03-17-2005, 09:06 PM

i guess sedans are becoming more popular because of the insane insurrance prices!

irseg · 03-17-2005, 09:14 PM

I don't think most people in the market for high-end Mercedes and Porsches care too much about insurance costs.

Scorps · 03-17-2005, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by irseg

I don't think most people in the market for high-end Mercedes and Porsches care too much about insurance costs.

probably not....lol

mazagmot · 03-18-2005, 06:56 AM

Regarding the difference door handle location for the rear door handles;
The articles that I have seen so far state that there are no actual photos or drawings released by porsche, so these are composites and artists renderings.

thatoneguy · 03-18-2005, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by mazagmot

Regarding the difference door handle location for the rear door handles;
The articles that I have seen so far state that there are no actual photos or drawings released by porsche, so these are composites and artists renderings.

Ahhh, ok, that makes a lot of sense. With all these image-editing software packages that are out there now, sometimes it's hard to tell if it's a real pic or just a composite.

cj2112 · 03-18-2005, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by ems

it seems to be all the rage in the auto-industry now, plus the MBZ CLS is a hot seller...

i saw one a few weeks back here in LA:

that benz looks way out of place parked there. where in la was this?

Globber2000 · 03-18-2005, 03:12 PM

it's a good looker, but what's the point of a 4-door? isn't that Audi or VW's job?

etla · 03-18-2005, 03:31 PM

Well at least they aren't making a pick up truck.

ems · 03-18-2005, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by cj2112

that benz looks way out of place parked there. where in la was this?

In the San Fernando Valley [where I live, and close to where Halx used to live]. This just happens to be the crummy back-area of the benz owner's shop

ems · 03-18-2005, 08:15 PM

btw, see that black VW GTI with the black [well, anthracite] colored rims in the background of one of the shots? well, that would be my pride and joy

madsenj37 · 03-19-2005, 09:57 AM

Fugly. Enough said.

uncle_el · 03-19-2005, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by GetRdone

I think the term your looking for is "suicide doors"

exactly. which have been around since at least the 30s... and vw was one of the first.
http://people.westminstercollege.edu...l/history2.htm

the car looks eerily similar, from the side profile, to the mb cls that has been shown in previous posts.

etla · 03-19-2005, 07:20 PM

VW were hardly one of the first to have suicide doors. This door style predates the ICE let alone VW and were not uncommon on coaches (the drawn by horse type). Chrysler at least had them on production cars in the early 30's. Heck my grand father had a '33 Dodge Sedan Delivery with suicide doors.

Tarl Cabot · 03-19-2005, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Cynthetiq

me too... I saw it the other day on the mbusa.com site. the new CLS is a 4door luxo coupe

I kind of like the Porsche, but to me, this looks like one of those old Beetles that someone put a phony Mercedes front end on.

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Gnzo · 03-20-2005, 01:18 PM

not sure I like the back of it. Looks like an early 80's 928. Maybe it's just the angle of this picture.

twilightfoix · 03-24-2005, 09:07 AM

all i have to say is that is one sexy car

jvwgtr · 03-28-2005, 12:48 PM

Very interesting...though it doesn't look very Porsche-y.

Scorps · 03-29-2005, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by etla

Well at least they aren't making a pick up truck.

Just wait

03-17-2005, 02:35 AM	#2 (permalink)
mazagmot Crazy Location: S. Korea	If that's what the production car will really look like, I like it. It's so clean. Very beautiful, and even better with 400+ horsepower. I wonder if they'll put an awd system in it like the 911 and cayenne __________________ d^_^b Got my headphones on.

03-17-2005, 03:37 AM	#3 (permalink)
desal75 Psycho Location: Western New York	They should have made that before the Cayenne __________________ The Man in Black fled across the desert and the Gunslinger followed.

03-17-2005, 09:47 AM	#7 (permalink)
Cynthetiq Tilted Cat Head Administrator Location: Manhattan, NY	all to compete with the upcoming MB 4 door luxo coupe. __________________ I don't care if you are black, white, purple, green, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, hippie, cop, bum, admin, user, English, Irish, French, Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Buddhist, Muslim, indian, cowboy, tall, short, fat, skinny, emo, punk, mod, rocker, straight, gay, lesbian, jock, nerd, geek, Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, Independent, driver, pedestrian, or bicyclist, either you're an asshole or you're not. What's the best nation in the world? DO-NATION!

03-17-2005, 11:46 AM	#8 (permalink)
Halx Please touch this. Owner/Admin Location: Manhattan	4 door coupe? That doesn't make sense, since 'coupe' pretty much means '2' and in.. 2 doors. I'm confused. __________________ You have found this post informative. -The Administrator [Don't Feed The Animals]

03-17-2005, 12:08 PM	#9 (permalink)
Cynthetiq Tilted Cat Head Administrator Location: Manhattan, NY	me too... I saw it the other day on the mbusa.com site. the new CLS is a 4door luxo coupe link __________________ I don't care if you are black, white, purple, green, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, hippie, cop, bum, admin, user, English, Irish, French, Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Buddhist, Muslim, indian, cowboy, tall, short, fat, skinny, emo, punk, mod, rocker, straight, gay, lesbian, jock, nerd, geek, Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, Independent, driver, pedestrian, or bicyclist, either you're an asshole or you're not. What's the best nation in the world? DO-NATION!

03-17-2005, 06:15 AM	#4 (permalink)
matthew330 Banned	It kinda looks like someone stepped on the cayenne. The back doors open backwards?

03-17-2005, 07:39 AM	#5 (permalink)
dirtyrascal7 That's what she said	oh my god that's ugly... it looks like something chrysler would design. this is just all kinds of wrong.

03-17-2005, 02:03 PM	#10 (permalink)
lite campfire Crazy	Yeah, that's the car I thought of when I saw this. I think the Porsche looks better though. I'm cautiously optimistic about this, hoping it's more along the lines of the M5 then anything else.

03-17-2005, 02:35 PM	#11 (permalink)
Scorps Lost!! Location: Kingston, Ontario	Is there a front shot?

03-17-2005, 02:46 PM	#13 (permalink)
thatoneguy Crazy Location: Omaha, NE	Hmmm... that one above has normal rear doors, not the ones that swing "backwards," I wonder if that one at the top of the thread is a concept and the production car will have normal doors. __________________ "Thank you for flying Church of England, cake or death?"

03-17-2005, 03:39 PM	#14 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	Wow, that's beautiful. I used to race in a 928 at Laguna Seca a few years back. This will be on my wish list.

03-17-2005, 04:13 PM	#15 (permalink)
Ilow Junkie Location: Pats country	I actually really like it. normally I think car companies should stick to what they do best (i.e. cayenne WTF?) but it should give MB some competition. __________________ "Religion is the one area of our discourse in which it is considered noble to pretend to be certain about things no human being could possibly be certain about" --Sam Harris

03-17-2005, 09:06 PM	#18 (permalink)
Scorps Lost!! Location: Kingston, Ontario	i guess sedans are becoming more popular because of the insane insurrance prices!

03-17-2005, 09:14 PM	#19 (permalink)
irseg Junkie Location: Florida	I don't think most people in the market for high-end Mercedes and Porsches care too much about insurance costs.

03-18-2005, 06:56 AM	#21 (permalink)
mazagmot Crazy Location: S. Korea	Regarding the difference door handle location for the rear door handles; The articles that I have seen so far state that there are no actual photos or drawings released by porsche, so these are composites and artists renderings. __________________ d^_^b Got my headphones on.

03-18-2005, 03:12 PM	#24 (permalink)
Globber2000 Upright	it's a good looker, but what's the point of a 4-door? isn't that Audi or VW's job?

03-18-2005, 03:31 PM	#25 (permalink)
etla Junkie Location: Canada eh?	Well at least they aren't making a pick up truck. __________________ Subvert the Dominant Paradigm

03-18-2005, 08:15 PM	#27 (permalink)
ems Tilted Location: Los Angeles [The Valley], CA	btw, see that black VW GTI with the black [well, anthracite] colored rims in the background of one of the shots? well, that would be my pride and joy __________________ hey there

03-19-2005, 09:57 AM	#28 (permalink)
madsenj37 Still searching... Location: NorCal For Life	Fugly. Enough said. __________________ "Only two things are certain: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not certain about the universe." -- Albert Einstein

03-19-2005, 07:20 PM	#30 (permalink)
etla Junkie Location: Canada eh?	Suicide Doors VW were hardly one of the first to have suicide doors. This door style predates the ICE let alone VW and were not uncommon on coaches (the drawn by horse type). Chrysler at least had them on production cars in the early 30's. Heck my grand father had a '33 Dodge Sedan Delivery with suicide doors. __________________ Subvert the Dominant Paradigm

03-20-2005, 01:18 PM	#32 (permalink)
Gnzo Insane	not sure I like the back of it. Looks like an early 80's 928. Maybe it's just the angle of this picture.

03-24-2005, 09:07 AM	#33 (permalink)
twilightfoix Insane Location: in the clouds ;)	all i have to say is that is one sexy car

03-28-2005, 12:48 PM	#34 (permalink)
jvwgtr Completely bananas Location: Florida	Very interesting...though it doesn't look very Porsche-y.