04 Acura TL after 3+ months - Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

Halx · 09-02-2004, 02:07 PM

Hey all, I just wanted to give you an update on my car. It's a first-year redesign, so things are expected to go a bit awry. Good thing, though, that nothing has.

2004 Acura TL, 6-spd manual, Navigation, High Performance Tires
3+ months, 7200 miles.

Performance:
Under normal-to-hectic driving conditions, this car is just perfect. The suspension is fairly tight - it will inspire a fairly firm grip on the steering wheel. If you enjoy the experience of driving, I think you'd really love it.

Under *spirited* driving conditions, this car is a dream on straight-aheads, hills and long curves. Tight corners reveal the stock suspension's weakness. The 60/40 weight distribution will slow down any tight curve you make, but the strong engine will let you accelerate out of the turn just well enough. I am debating on switching over to Comptech's sport springs... I probably won't decide until October or December (the two times of the year when I get presents!).

I absolutely LOVE the brembo brakes that come with the manual transmission. My heart never skips a beat when I suddenly see brake lights in front of me 'cause I know I can stop a hell of a lot faster than the guy ahead of me.

Comfort:
I'm able to shape the seat into the most comfortable position for me... and sometimes I'm sad to reach my destination. There have been only a couple rattles that have popped up, but they seem to have fixed themselves. The cabin is tight and stylish. Nothing is drooping, nothing is broken. The sound system is sharp and immersive, but the bass does rattle the inner panels on the doors a little.

I don't use the navigation system as much as I thought I would, but when I do, it's always spot-on. It's a very useful tool. From what I understand, through reviews, is the Acura navi is the best in the market. It gives the most details and is more accurate. So far I have no experience to disprove it. It's also voice and touch activated.

Finish:
I've scratched up my rims a bit, but I don't really care about stock rims too much. I park along curbs 90% of the time - it's gonna happen. The front rims are always COVERED in brake dust. The only downside to the Brembo brakes is the dust. I have many various nicks in the paint from road debris, but that's LA for you. I still haven't gotten around to ordering Zaino to make my car shinier than Andre Agassi's head.

I've tinted my windows.. 5% on all the back windows and 50% on my front windows. (That's percentage of light that shines through) The car looks much more aggressive when the windows are tinted... duh.

I still see hardly any other new TLs on the road, which is good for me. I did see about 3 of them when driving through the parking lot at the mall today, though.

So, anyways, if you're looking to buy a new car that not everybody has or has seen, check out the Acura TL. It's really hard to find a 6-spd/Navi setup, but it's worth it. As I understand it, the 2005 models will be virtually unchanged.

Cynthetiq · 09-02-2004, 02:16 PM

Nice... it's on my list as possible Neon replacement. While I want the MINI it's not all that practical as far as space is concerned and comfort. The wife wants a ride like the Benz we rented in Germany.

Oddly enough, the list is disparate at the moment, but it's the (in no order)

TL
E class
5 series

yakimushi · 09-02-2004, 02:33 PM

5% tint? Is that legal in Cali? I know here in Ohio that'll earn ya a ticket real fast.

Glad to hear the ride is holding up. I don't suppose we could have some updated pics?

MSD · 09-02-2004, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by yakimushi

5% tint? Is that legal in Cali? I know here in Ohio that'll earn ya a ticket real fast.

Glad to hear the ride is holding up. I don't suppose we could have some updated pics?

Around here, they'll pull you over and bust you for everything else they can find, even though it is perfectly legal.

Cynthetiq · 09-02-2004, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by MrSelfDestruct

Around here, they'll pull you over and bust you for everything else they can find, even though it is perfectly legal.

back in the 80's my friend from CT had a restored 68 Camaro and he told me tales of undercover CT officers revving engines at lights only to bust you when you took off the line... any truth to that?

shakran · 09-02-2004, 09:25 PM

hey Halx, try Porterfield R4-S pads the next time you get pads for your fronts. they stop MUCH quicker than stock and don't dust nearly as much.

Scorps · 09-03-2004, 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yakimushi

5% tint? Is that legal in Cali? I know here in Ohio that'll earn ya a ticket real fast.

Glad to hear the ride is holding up. I don't suppose we could have some updated pics?

In Ontario the OPP(Ontario Provincial Police) cops are to lazy to get out of there cars so they don't pull anyone over

yellowgowild · 09-03-2004, 03:06 PM

Doesn't it void the warranty if you change any of the parts on the car? I would love to have those Bose electromagnetic shocks put on mine :P

BonneFan · 09-03-2004, 06:36 PM

Cool choice Halx, I'm sure its a cut above from the Accord you used to have.

One thing I find about the new TL, its styling is very similar to the Bonneville SLE/SSEi

Atomic Pinkie · 09-05-2004, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Cynthetiq

back in the 80's my friend from CT had a restored 68 Camaro and he told me tales of undercover CT officers revving engines at lights only to bust you when you took off the line... any truth to that?

I believe that's entrapment.

I know that if an officer speeds up without their lights on and you follow at their speed, and then they pull you over, it's entrapment.

dun_ask · 09-05-2004, 12:22 AM

man...i wish i had money to buy a car like that!! But of course thats when i graduate from college!! i cant wait =] nice car hal.

Lestat · 09-05-2004, 11:11 PM

Thanks for the update Halx. I'm seriously thinking about getting one of these next year. I'm debating between this or a Infinity G35 coupe/Nissan 350Z.

steve urkel · 09-09-2004, 09:42 PM

The TL is a nice car. I can't wait till they make it AWD.

TM875 · 09-10-2004, 10:13 AM

At the end of the day, it's still a Honda.

Halx · 09-10-2004, 12:41 PM

And that's why I picked it over every single other car out there.

Kurant · 09-10-2004, 10:02 PM

Nice Hal. Yes, they are nice cars. Hondas, well, they are Hondas, what else can you say?

Honda needs to follow the trend, one of the only Japanese car companies making cars that can compete on every level with the German cars. Now they need these in AWD since the C-Class and 3 series Benz/BMW's come in AWD.

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Originally Posted by Cynthetiq

Nice... it's on my list as possible Neon replacement. While I want the MINI it's not all that practical as far as space is concerned and comfort. The wife wants a ride like the Benz we rented in Germany.

Oddly enough, the list is disparate at the moment, but it's the (in no order)

TL
E class
5 series

E-55 baybee!

powerclown · 09-11-2004, 07:04 AM

The Japanese are the most intelligent, most talented automobile engineers in the world.

Ambition · 09-11-2004, 07:27 PM

That's great, I'm happy you're happy with your TL. I have an '01 CL type S and love it. Acura is a great car company. One thing I notice about the new TL which I disapproved of is the fact that is has the side lights, which don't flash when you put on your turn signal. Other than that, it's an awesome vehicle. Cheers.

Halx · 09-12-2004, 01:30 AM

With a little tinkering, you can make them flash, Ambition.

Also, Acura is coming out with the new 05 RL. 300hp, SH-AWD. Preliminary reviews are saying this car is absolutely brilliant. Score another point for Acura. The TSX/TL/RL lineup is pure quality.

MSD · 09-12-2004, 04:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atomic Pinkie

I believe that's entrapment.

I know that if an officer speeds up without their lights on and you follow at their speed, and then they pull you over, it's entrapment.

It's only entrapment if the person who gets pulled over knows it and challenges it in court. The highway patrol guys in CT's unmarked Z28's and Z06's will do that. Sucks to be the guy who doesn't notice that the driver has a State Police patch on his sleeve.

castex · 09-12-2004, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by powerclown

The Japanese are the most intelligent, most talented automobile engineers in the world.

Upon which criteria have you based this opinion, powerclown?

powerclown · 09-12-2004, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by castex

Upon which criteria have you based this opinion, powerclown?

Just a personal opinion, based on years of driving and working on all sorts of cars. I like their style, how they extract the maximum from the minimum, the attention to detail and their basic philosophy of how to build a car. Every part of a japanese car is not only funtional, but of a simple and elegant design. Where a Ford for example would use 50 twisted, ugly and heavy suspension components in a design, the Japanese would do the exact same thing with 10 strong, lightweight components. Their engines, especially Acura/Honda, set the standard imo in terms of smoothness, efficiency, reliability and power.

Their success in motorsport over the last 30 years is a big reason for all of this.

Halx, that new RL sounds phenomenal. Its amazing how their sedans are just getting better and faster. AWD is a beautiful thing.
Off to find some pix...

Halx · 09-12-2004, 12:54 PM

http://acura-tl.hytekhosting.com/upl...Imgp0830-1.JPG
http://members.cox.net/rjcarter/images/rl/Imgp0834.jpg

2005 RL pics .. heh.. all I could find.

Scorps · 09-13-2004, 08:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yellowgowild

Doesn't it void the warranty if you change any of the parts on the car? I would love to have those Bose electromagnetic shocks put on mine :P

Some parts are ok..but I'm not 100% sure

09-13-2004, 09:16 AM

looks a little bland, TL is nicer in design

Scorps · 09-13-2004, 09:47 AM

Wow that is sexy....just why can't Acura be there own motor company!

Halx · 09-13-2004, 10:56 AM

Eh? Acura doesn't skip a beat by being a Honda company. From a casual observer, you may not like a few things about the cars themselves, but if you're a customer, you gotta love this company.

As it was told to me by a former employee: Honda LOVES their customers and will step on their employees to please them.

It starts when you buy the car: Their pricing is so much simpler than everyone else's. Let me use the TL as the example because I think it's success will prompt them to use this method for every vehicle they come out with from now on. When you buy a TL, you aren't given a price, then asked to fork over tons more cash for extra features that you want, but aren't included in the base price. The TL is the same all around: fully loaded. The only factory options you can ask for are the navigation system and summer tires. This makes buying one SO much less stressful.

Look at cheaper cars like the Accord and Civic. They have like 3 packages to choose from with very little extra kickers that will raise the price that you came in expecting to pay. Simple.

How about other cars? On the Cadillac CTS, you can look up the base price online, but did you know you'll be charged an extra $1000 if you want an automatic? In fact, even though the base price of the CTS is competetive with the TL, if you want to add features to equal those of the TL, you'll end up spending about $8000 more.
On the Nissan Maxima, even on the highest model, a moonroof is $900 more than the base price. No-brainer features like a full-size spare are also much more.

Please don't knock Honda. I have tremendous respect for them for the respect they've given me and my family... we've own many Honda cars and there is a reason why we keep going back.

dirtyrascal7 · 09-15-2004, 09:04 PM

I've been on the prowl for a new car for a few months now. i was all about getting a 330xi at first, but then my practical side came through and i quickly nixed that idea. i never really thought about the TL until i read your review of it, halx... and the more i looked into it, the more i liked it. i probably would've ended up getting one, but a few days ago i happened to run into the new volvo s40... the T5 AWD version, specifically. i love the styling of the TL both inside and out, but i think the s40 looks even better and plus it has the AWD that i was looking for. i've driven a jetta tdi for the past 4 years and i'm sick of FWD.

i definately give acura credit for producing a superior navigation package, but i've always had a great sense of direction so getting a navi in either car would probably be a waste of money for me.

both cars already have excellent reputations for reliabilty and performance, both have great styling and high quality interiors, and the prices of each are within a couple hundred of each other with similar options... but that AWD just gives the s40 such a huge edge in my eyes, i can't resist it.

merkerguitars · 09-15-2004, 09:21 PM

Hehe if your sick of your Jetta TDI I would be more than happy to buy it from you

rubicon · 09-16-2004, 07:16 AM

I was looking at the new TL but it's a little too rich for my blood. I loved the navigation, Bluetooth integration, performance, and roominess of the car.

I'm going down the used route this time. Looking at the '01 Audi A6 2.7T at the moment.

clavus · 09-16-2004, 07:58 AM

One thing that has not been mentioned in Honda's favor - safety.

I know folks who have gone through horrendous accidents in Hondas...and walked away.

I was in a Civic that struck a tree head on. The tree trunk was as big around as a basketball. We hit it hard enough to snap it off. We walked away.

My Integra was rear-ended by a (stolen) luxury SUV. The front end of the SUV destroyed. My Integra suffered a bent bumper, and was able to perform very well during the subsequest chase (though it got a little dodgy around 100 mph).

Halx · 09-16-2004, 10:58 AM

yes, clavus, one thing I never mentioned was the TL was at the top of it's class in crash test rating, fuel efficiency, and emissions.

rascal, you can get a Volvo, but in a couple years when it's Ford quality is showing through...

DEI37 · 09-16-2004, 06:43 PM

The more I see the TL, the more I can like it. I do love the interior. Not a big fan of the exterior styling. The compared pics with the Bonneville leave the TL outclassed, in MY opinion.

I'm curious Halx, how did you get the CTS being $8000 more than the TL? I FULLY equipped both cars (minus automatic transmissions), and got them within $2500. I'd personally take the CTS, simply because it is rear drive, and that interior is 99% of the TL's, in my opinion.

One big thing that I'll get on, simply because I can. Talk about squeaks and rattles. I drive a 1997 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme with just under 140,000 miles. It's been totalled twice. I have one door rattle over bigger bumps, and one center dash noise, again over moderate or greater bumps. Fit and finish is lacking compared to some, but it bests a 2004 Nissan Titan and gaps on the interior are better than a 2003+ Altima. Overall reliability, namely in the electrical department is stellar, although, I do have one door lock that is somewhat possessed, and won't tell the BCM to shut off the interior lights and lock the doors. Happens twice in three months, as a general guideline. Where I MUST diss the car, is in its drivetrain. Not so much the transmission...it's strong, and is hard to goof. The engine is anemic. Not much power, lots of noise, and less then ideal reliability, thanks in no small part to the lower intake manifold gasket GM FINALLY fessed up to. The drivers' seat cushion/foam HAS broken down, but with eight years of life, and five of those being sat in by a 250+ guy...that's gonna happen. The seat cover is also worn.

ANyways, that's my thoughts, and my thoughts on my daily ride. The engine characteristics should change soon enough, but for now, that is most definitely the cars' downfall.

Halx · 09-16-2004, 07:44 PM

well DEI37, I personally love the styling of the TL inside and out. Every single time I walk to and from my car, I think to myself, "DAMN! That's a fucking beautiful car!" That's simply a matter of taste, though. Not to diss BonneFan, but I wouldn't even compare it with a Bonneville. When I think of class, the exterior styling has very little to do with my opinion of the car. Pontiac could come out with the most amazing design for their next generation Bonneville, and I still would not touch the thing. Class is a combination of brand reputation, quality and... then factor in the style.

Mephisto2 · 09-16-2004, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by powerclown

The Japanese are the most intelligent, most talented automobile engineers in the world.

I know some Germans (and even some Italians) who would argue with you on that point.

Mr Mephisto

DEI37 · 09-17-2004, 04:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Halx

well DEI37, I personally love the styling of the TL inside and out. Every single time I walk to and from my car, I think to myself, "DAMN! That's a fucking beautiful car!" That's simply a matter of taste, though. Not to diss BonneFan, but I wouldn't even compare it with a Bonneville. When I think of class, the exterior styling has very little to do with my opinion of the car. Pontiac could come out with the most amazing design for their next generation Bonneville, and I still would not touch the thing. Class is a combination of brand reputation, quality and... then factor in the style.

I guess what I meant was initial impression, or a quick walk-by, not REALLY realizing what either car was...meaning, for ME, the Bonneville's exterior is more asthetically pleasing for MY eyes. As much of a GM diehard as I am, I do realize that the Bonneville, while it competes in the sport/luxury class, it's on the lower end of it.

I should have stated this in the first post I made...glad you do enjoy the car...that's what matters, right? Sounds like you made a heck of a good choice for ya. Hope all continues in a positive manner.

chickentribs · 09-20-2004, 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Mephisto

I know some Germans (and even some Italians) who would argue with you on that point.

Mr Mephisto

Unfortunately the Germans are too dogmatic in only engineering under the hood of a car and it has allowed the Japanese to come in and completely pass them in regards to design and construction of the whole car.

Disclaimer - I had 3 TL's in a row until I was recently run off the road and totaled my '03. I decided to finally cave in and went with a BMW this time around because getting the same car every time was starting to feel like something my father would do...

Mephisto2 · 09-20-2004, 10:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chickentribs

Unfortunately the Germans are too dogmatic in only engineering under the hood of a car and it has allowed the Japanese to come in and completely pass them in regards to design and construction of the whole car.

Well, if we consider the world's premier racing event and the showcase of the best automotive engineering can produce, then the Italians are way ahead of the Japanese.

I'm hoping you also realise I'm referring to Formula1.

Mr Mephisto

merkerguitars · 09-20-2004, 11:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Mephisto

Well, if we consider the world's premier racing event and the showcase of the best automotive engineering can produce, then the Italians are way ahead of the Japanese.

I'm hoping you also realise I'm referring to Formula1.

Mr Mephisto

Hell way back in the day the Italians where making dual overhead cam aluminum engines while us americans where just developing a flathead v8....

Stare At The Sun · 09-20-2004, 11:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by powerclown

The Japanese are the most intelligent, most talented automobile engineers in the world.

I'll take a Porsche, BMW, or VW over any Jap car, any and every day of the week.

09-02-2004, 02:07 PM	#1 (permalink)
Halx Please touch this. Owner/Admin Location: Manhattan	04 Acura TL after 3+ months Hey all, I just wanted to give you an update on my car. It's a first-year redesign, so things are expected to go a bit awry. Good thing, though, that nothing has. 2004 Acura TL, 6-spd manual, Navigation, High Performance Tires 3+ months, 7200 miles. Performance: Under normal-to-hectic driving conditions, this car is just perfect. The suspension is fairly tight - it will inspire a fairly firm grip on the steering wheel. If you enjoy the experience of driving, I think you'd really love it. Under spirited driving conditions, this car is a dream on straight-aheads, hills and long curves. Tight corners reveal the stock suspension's weakness. The 60/40 weight distribution will slow down any tight curve you make, but the strong engine will let you accelerate out of the turn just well enough. I am debating on switching over to Comptech's sport springs... I probably won't decide until October or December (the two times of the year when I get presents!). I absolutely LOVE the brembo brakes that come with the manual transmission. My heart never skips a beat when I suddenly see brake lights in front of me 'cause I know I can stop a hell of a lot faster than the guy ahead of me. Comfort: I'm able to shape the seat into the most comfortable position for me... and sometimes I'm sad to reach my destination. There have been only a couple rattles that have popped up, but they seem to have fixed themselves. The cabin is tight and stylish. Nothing is drooping, nothing is broken. The sound system is sharp and immersive, but the bass does rattle the inner panels on the doors a little. I don't use the navigation system as much as I thought I would, but when I do, it's always spot-on. It's a very useful tool. From what I understand, through reviews, is the Acura navi is the best in the market. It gives the most details and is more accurate. So far I have no experience to disprove it. It's also voice and touch activated. Finish: I've scratched up my rims a bit, but I don't really care about stock rims too much. I park along curbs 90% of the time - it's gonna happen. The front rims are always COVERED in brake dust. The only downside to the Brembo brakes is the dust. I have many various nicks in the paint from road debris, but that's LA for you. I still haven't gotten around to ordering Zaino to make my car shinier than Andre Agassi's head. I've tinted my windows.. 5% on all the back windows and 50% on my front windows. (That's percentage of light that shines through) The car looks much more aggressive when the windows are tinted... duh. I still see hardly any other new TLs on the road, which is good for me. I did see about 3 of them when driving through the parking lot at the mall today, though. So, anyways, if you're looking to buy a new car that not everybody has or has seen, check out the Acura TL. It's really hard to find a 6-spd/Navi setup, but it's worth it. As I understand it, the 2005 models will be virtually unchanged. __________________ You have found this post informative. -The Administrator [Don't Feed The Animals]

09-02-2004, 02:16 PM	#2 (permalink)
Cynthetiq Tilted Cat Head Administrator Location: Manhattan, NY	Nice... it's on my list as possible Neon replacement. While I want the MINI it's not all that practical as far as space is concerned and comfort. The wife wants a ride like the Benz we rented in Germany. Oddly enough, the list is disparate at the moment, but it's the (in no order) TL E class 5 series __________________ I don't care if you are black, white, purple, green, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, hippie, cop, bum, admin, user, English, Irish, French, Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Buddhist, Muslim, indian, cowboy, tall, short, fat, skinny, emo, punk, mod, rocker, straight, gay, lesbian, jock, nerd, geek, Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, Independent, driver, pedestrian, or bicyclist, either you're an asshole or you're not. What's the best nation in the world? DO-NATION!

09-03-2004, 06:36 PM	#9 (permalink)
BonneFan Crazy Location: Ontario Canada	Cool choice Halx, I'm sure its a cut above from the Accord you used to have. One thing I find about the new TL, its styling is very similar to the Bonneville SLE/SSEi __________________ "I'm all in favor of keeping dangerous weapons out of the hands of fools. Let's start with typewriters." - Frank Lloyd Wright (1868-1959)

09-05-2004, 11:11 PM	#12 (permalink)
Lestat Psycho Location: Riverside, CA	Thanks for the update Halx. I'm seriously thinking about getting one of these next year. I'm debating between this or a Infinity G35 coupe/Nissan 350Z. __________________ I hope life isn't a big joke, because I don't get it. - Jack Handy

09-10-2004, 10:13 AM	#14 (permalink)
TM875 Addict Location: Amish-land, PA	At the end of the day, it's still a Honda. __________________ "I've made only one mistake in my life. But I made it over and over and over. That was saying 'yes' when I meant 'no'. Forgive me."

09-02-2004, 02:33 PM	#3 (permalink)
yakimushi Addict	5% tint? Is that legal in Cali? I know here in Ohio that'll earn ya a ticket real fast. Glad to hear the ride is holding up. I don't suppose we could have some updated pics?

09-02-2004, 09:25 PM	#6 (permalink)
shakran Tone.	hey Halx, try Porterfield R4-S pads the next time you get pads for your fronts. they stop MUCH quicker than stock and don't dust nearly as much.

09-03-2004, 03:06 PM	#8 (permalink)
yellowgowild Psycho Location: Tampa	Doesn't it void the warranty if you change any of the parts on the car? I would love to have those Bose electromagnetic shocks put on mine :P

09-05-2004, 12:22 AM	#11 (permalink)
dun_ask Psycho	man...i wish i had money to buy a car like that!! But of course thats when i graduate from college!! i cant wait =] nice car hal.

09-09-2004, 09:42 PM	#13 (permalink)
steve urkel Upright	The TL is a nice car. I can't wait till they make it AWD.

09-10-2004, 12:41 PM	#15 (permalink)
Halx Please touch this. Owner/Admin Location: Manhattan	And that's why I picked it over every single other car out there. __________________ You have found this post informative. -The Administrator [Don't Feed The Animals]

09-11-2004, 07:04 AM	#17 (permalink)
powerclown Junkie Location: Detroit, MI	The Japanese are the most intelligent, most talented automobile engineers in the world.

09-11-2004, 07:27 PM	#18 (permalink)
Ambition Insane Location: Miami, FL	That's great, I'm happy you're happy with your TL. I have an '01 CL type S and love it. Acura is a great car company. One thing I notice about the new TL which I disapproved of is the fact that is has the side lights, which don't flash when you put on your turn signal. Other than that, it's an awesome vehicle. Cheers. __________________ Looking for answers to questions that can't be answered.

09-12-2004, 01:30 AM	#19 (permalink)
Halx Please touch this. Owner/Admin Location: Manhattan	With a little tinkering, you can make them flash, Ambition. Also, Acura is coming out with the new 05 RL. 300hp, SH-AWD. Preliminary reviews are saying this car is absolutely brilliant. Score another point for Acura. The TSX/TL/RL lineup is pure quality. __________________ You have found this post informative. -The Administrator [Don't Feed The Animals]

09-12-2004, 12:54 PM	#23 (permalink)
Halx Please touch this. Owner/Admin Location: Manhattan	http://acura-tl.hytekhosting.com/upl...Imgp0830-1.JPG http://members.cox.net/rjcarter/images/rl/Imgp0834.jpg 2005 RL pics .. heh.. all I could find. __________________ You have found this post informative. -The Administrator [Don't Feed The Animals]

09-13-2004, 09:16 AM	#25 (permalink)
Xepidemic Guest	looks a little bland, TL is nicer in design

09-13-2004, 09:47 AM	#26 (permalink)
Scorps Lost!! Location: Kingston, Ontario	Wow that is sexy....just why can't Acura be there own motor company!

09-13-2004, 10:56 AM	#27 (permalink)
Halx Please touch this. Owner/Admin Location: Manhattan	Eh? Acura doesn't skip a beat by being a Honda company. From a casual observer, you may not like a few things about the cars themselves, but if you're a customer, you gotta love this company. As it was told to me by a former employee: Honda LOVES their customers and will step on their employees to please them. It starts when you buy the car: Their pricing is so much simpler than everyone else's. Let me use the TL as the example because I think it's success will prompt them to use this method for every vehicle they come out with from now on. When you buy a TL, you aren't given a price, then asked to fork over tons more cash for extra features that you want, but aren't included in the base price. The TL is the same all around: fully loaded. The only factory options you can ask for are the navigation system and summer tires. This makes buying one SO much less stressful. Look at cheaper cars like the Accord and Civic. They have like 3 packages to choose from with very little extra kickers that will raise the price that you came in expecting to pay. Simple. How about other cars? On the Cadillac CTS, you can look up the base price online, but did you know you'll be charged an extra $1000 if you want an automatic? In fact, even though the base price of the CTS is competetive with the TL, if you want to add features to equal those of the TL, you'll end up spending about $8000 more. On the Nissan Maxima, even on the highest model, a moonroof is $900 more than the base price. No-brainer features like a full-size spare are also much more. Please don't knock Honda. I have tremendous respect for them for the respect they've given me and my family... we've own many Honda cars and there is a reason why we keep going back. __________________ You have found this post informative. -The Administrator [Don't Feed The Animals]

09-15-2004, 09:04 PM	#28 (permalink)
dirtyrascal7 That's what she said	I've been on the prowl for a new car for a few months now. i was all about getting a 330xi at first, but then my practical side came through and i quickly nixed that idea. i never really thought about the TL until i read your review of it, halx... and the more i looked into it, the more i liked it. i probably would've ended up getting one, but a few days ago i happened to run into the new volvo s40... the T5 AWD version, specifically. i love the styling of the TL both inside and out, but i think the s40 looks even better and plus it has the AWD that i was looking for. i've driven a jetta tdi for the past 4 years and i'm sick of FWD. i definately give acura credit for producing a superior navigation package, but i've always had a great sense of direction so getting a navi in either car would probably be a waste of money for me. both cars already have excellent reputations for reliabilty and performance, both have great styling and high quality interiors, and the prices of each are within a couple hundred of each other with similar options... but that AWD just gives the s40 such a huge edge in my eyes, i can't resist it.

09-15-2004, 09:21 PM	#29 (permalink)
merkerguitars Buffering......... Location: Wisconsin...	Hehe if your sick of your Jetta TDI I would be more than happy to buy it from you __________________ Donate now! Ask me How! Please use the search function it is your friend. Look at my mustang please feel free to comment! http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthread.php?t=26985

09-16-2004, 07:16 AM	#30 (permalink)
rubicon Stop. Think. Question. Location: Redondo Beach, CA	I was looking at the new TL but it's a little too rich for my blood. I loved the navigation, Bluetooth integration, performance, and roominess of the car. I'm going down the used route this time. Looking at the '01 Audi A6 2.7T at the moment. __________________ How you do anything is how you do everything.

09-16-2004, 07:58 AM	#31 (permalink)
clavus pow! Location: NorCal	One thing that has not been mentioned in Honda's favor - safety. I know folks who have gone through horrendous accidents in Hondas...and walked away. I was in a Civic that struck a tree head on. The tree trunk was as big around as a basketball. We hit it hard enough to snap it off. We walked away. My Integra was rear-ended by a (stolen) luxury SUV. The front end of the SUV destroyed. My Integra suffered a bent bumper, and was able to perform very well during the subsequest chase (though it got a little dodgy around 100 mph). __________________ Ass, gas or grass. Nobody rides for free.

09-16-2004, 10:58 AM	#32 (permalink)
Halx Please touch this. Owner/Admin Location: Manhattan	yes, clavus, one thing I never mentioned was the TL was at the top of it's class in crash test rating, fuel efficiency, and emissions. rascal, you can get a Volvo, but in a couple years when it's Ford quality is showing through... __________________ You have found this post informative. -The Administrator [Don't Feed The Animals]

09-16-2004, 06:43 PM	#33 (permalink)
DEI37 Go faster! Location: Wisconsin	The more I see the TL, the more I can like it. I do love the interior. Not a big fan of the exterior styling. The compared pics with the Bonneville leave the TL outclassed, in MY opinion. I'm curious Halx, how did you get the CTS being $8000 more than the TL? I FULLY equipped both cars (minus automatic transmissions), and got them within $2500. I'd personally take the CTS, simply because it is rear drive, and that interior is 99% of the TL's, in my opinion. One big thing that I'll get on, simply because I can. Talk about squeaks and rattles. I drive a 1997 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme with just under 140,000 miles. It's been totalled twice. I have one door rattle over bigger bumps, and one center dash noise, again over moderate or greater bumps. Fit and finish is lacking compared to some, but it bests a 2004 Nissan Titan and gaps on the interior are better than a 2003+ Altima. Overall reliability, namely in the electrical department is stellar, although, I do have one door lock that is somewhat possessed, and won't tell the BCM to shut off the interior lights and lock the doors. Happens twice in three months, as a general guideline. Where I MUST diss the car, is in its drivetrain. Not so much the transmission...it's strong, and is hard to goof. The engine is anemic. Not much power, lots of noise, and less then ideal reliability, thanks in no small part to the lower intake manifold gasket GM FINALLY fessed up to. The drivers' seat cushion/foam HAS broken down, but with eight years of life, and five of those being sat in by a 250+ guy...that's gonna happen. The seat cover is also worn. ANyways, that's my thoughts, and my thoughts on my daily ride. The engine characteristics should change soon enough, but for now, that is most definitely the cars' downfall. __________________ Generally speaking, if you were to get what you really deserve, you might be unpleasantly surprised.

09-16-2004, 07:44 PM	#34 (permalink)
Halx Please touch this. Owner/Admin Location: Manhattan	well DEI37, I personally love the styling of the TL inside and out. Every single time I walk to and from my car, I think to myself, "DAMN! That's a fucking beautiful car!" That's simply a matter of taste, though. Not to diss BonneFan, but I wouldn't even compare it with a Bonneville. When I think of class, the exterior styling has very little to do with my opinion of the car. Pontiac could come out with the most amazing design for their next generation Bonneville, and I still would not touch the thing. Class is a combination of brand reputation, quality and... then factor in the style. __________________ You have found this post informative. -The Administrator [Don't Feed The Animals]