krwlz

I just got on trade a set of 4 rockford fosgate speakers. 6x9s for the back, 6.5s for the doors. I was considering doing the rest of the car in rockford since Ive already started, but I notice quite a price tag on their stuff.

So my question becomes... is the product worth their price?

krwlz

I should add that at this point im primarily looking at a pair of 10" subs and an amp to run them with. 500 bucks is about my limit. If I maintain this limit, RF is out. Any suggestions on what to get without having to upp my limit, and push back my purchase date?

brandon11983

Because its what I know and am most comfortable with... I say go JL. You can get a set of 10W0's for around $200, box for $100-150, wiring kit for $40, and put like an e1200 amp on 'em and you'll be good to go. My opinion on Rockford is not much anymore.

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merkerguitars

Personally I hate rockford fosgate stuff...their specs are not up to my par at all.......they used to be good way back in the day....now it's cheap stuf.....I follow brandon11983 recomendations on JL subs...very nice...and you can toss alot of wattage at them. If not you can use JL subs and a massive crossfire amp...also PPI makes some good stuf.

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brandon11983

Crossfire... eh... it seems to be good cheap stuff. PPI is shit.... ever since Team Gates left them, and they were bought out by Directed. The old stuff was fucking awesome. If I could find some of the old Pro series subs with the carbon fiber cones I'd snatch 'em up in a minute. Mate them babies to like a PC2350 amp, some Phaze Audio components..... rawr.

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DEI37

I'd like to upgrade my Infinity Reference speakers (6x9 3-ways in back, 6.5 components up front), which I just love, to a complete set of MB Quart speakers. Money is the problem there.

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WarWagon

Short answer, no. Long answer... no. Not any more.

Tech

i think there's better subs for the money out there.

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matteo101

The best sub I have ever heard in my life are kicker solo-barics. (Square sub face). Even just one 8" will rock your world. I HIGHLY recomend it.

krwlz

Ive heard highly of kicker...

Id also like to add that I listen to primarily older metal... AC/DC, Black Sabbath, etc, and classic rock. SO i dont need huge bass, but I need a hard hit, and the sensitivity really has to be up there for me.

My friend is tellin me JL is for lots and lots of bass, otherwise I should go with something else...

But thats just him

brandon11983

You need to get out more, son. Square Solo's are shit. The hemispherical coned models (before the Square's) were infinitely better. Square's can fart out bass good, but musically they sound like ass.

krwlz, your friend is right to recommend JL, but for the wrong reasons. JL's can be loud if asked to, but the company is all about sound quality. Their products are designed to sound the best they can at a given price point. Anyone who knows anything about JL will tell you that they are not an SPL woofer.

On the sensitivity note, any other time I would say look for a less sensitive sub. More efficient subs tend to have a sloppier sound to them, whereas with a less efficient sub, it is harder to move, therefore giving a tighter and cleaner sound. But being limited to only $500, you can't go crazy with amp power, so a more sensitive sub is probably the answer. A W0 sub from JL will work just fine.

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WarWagon

You may want to take a look at the Shiva by Adire Audio, too. I picked that sub for my home theater after months of going over just about all the drivers out there, and this was the one I chose. Some of the tightest, cleanest bass I'd ever heard, and that was out of a ported enclosure. SPL was enough to crack the drywall in my house. The driver works equally as well in cars.

BoCo

NOT worth the price. Pioneer subs are a fraction of the price and beat Rockford's in every shoot-out in the magazines.

Best amps: Soundstream.

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brandon11983

For the money. Won't touch a JL in performance, control, and features.

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krwlz

My limit isnt set in stone, so I can go over. However if it starts approaching 1000 bucks, Im going to buy rims instead.

What might you recomend for the wattage on those two 10" subs for my car?

matteo101

I would really preffer if you dont call me son. And yes these subs do put out great bass. I dont really have an opinion on how they are musically, but all i know is that they pound.

shakran

RF was featured in Fast and the Furious, and so all the ricers want to buy it. That's allowed them to inflate their prices beyond what their stuff is worth.

Just MHO.

brandon11983

ha ha. I was just kidding. I will agree that square Solo's can pound, but they are a total one note wonder and sound like shit.


That's not what really concerns me. The reason I stay away from the product is because they are a publicly traded company. The products have not been the same since. They were not what they used to be long before the Fast and the Retarded came out. The stuff used to kick ass, then it was justifyably expensive. One of my first amps was a Rockford, it was one of the last "good" ones, and that thing kicked ass

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Scorps

Right now I got a mix and match system that runs good powered by a Rockford Fosgate 600watt amp....I got 2 Alpine co-axil 140 watts, 2 JBL 100 watt speakers. then 2 10" JL subs(no idea the watt) all run by a Kenwood deck....I was going to by a 1000 watt JL ap but a guy at work was selling this amp for like 40 bucks...and it was brand new so I took it!


the amp has been running really good...and it doesn't heat up to much!

cj22009

Fosgate stuff us cheap mb quart and jl audio all the way iff you want to do it right

Scorps

Does any know if JL makes decks?

I have never seen one at the local mod shop and they don't have any on there website!

STi

Rockford fosgate stuff used to be very good... nowadays... their quality is not up to par compared to other companies.

Scorps

Well JL is going crazy with power and they are staying the same


Just like video cards...Like GForce used to be number 1 now ATI is kicking there ass

brandon11983

Does your mom know you are using TFP, boy? Hurry up before you miss the bus.


JL does not make head units.

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impulse03

Stick with JL for subs and amps. They are top of the line man. You wont be able to find such nice quality, performance, and overall ability in any other company.

I just got a JL W6v2 and the JL 500/1 amp for my Audi A4 and it sounds amazing. The bass it produces sounds absolutly mesmerizing...and with the equilizer on the amp, the hwole system can be fine tuned to one's likings. Its the best man.

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Oh to bad, if they I would get one of them as soon as I get some good money flow

brandon11983

No you wouldn't. (or shouldn't rather) Leave the head units to those who know what they are doing, like Alpine.

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Scorps

What about Kenwood?

I got:
- Kenwood Deck
- 2 140watt Coaxial Alpine speaker
- 2 100watt JBL speaker
- 2 250+watt JL Subs(10W3-D2)
- 1 Rockford Fosgate 600 Watt Amp(love it)

brandon11983

Kenwood is ok. Their eXcelon line is really nice, and on par with Alpine stuff.

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Mitzkrieg

kicker or JL would be my advice. both really good bang for the buck.

DEI37

I like the Clarion ProAudio decks, too. Kenwood's faceplates are too "busy" or cluttered. I have a Pioneer deck, and while I know you can do plenty better, I have no complaints. I'd like a Nakamichi, or something along those lines, but I have better ways to spend my money.

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Scorps

I just picked up a Performance Auto & Sound Mag. Wow they got some nice audio stuff in the mag, a lot of stuff that I might get after I get my new wheels

TioTaco

rockfords suck my balls

Atomic Pinkie

There is one question that hasn't been asked, are you going for SPL or SQL?

Sound Power Level or Sound Quality Level...quite frankly, half the crap people have been spouting I would never put in my system. That's like saying Pioneer makes the best decks because 'you heard it'.

Publicity does not always equal domination.

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brandon11983

amazing he was banned with such insight...


I doubt he's aggressively going after either. To me, he just seems to want more bass, which is fine. If by publicity you mean advertising, then I would agree to a degree. I personally love JL's ad campaign. You'll never see some big titted whore holding one of their subs in an ad. Their ad's consist of a few pictures of the product being advertised, and what the industry has to say about it. Sometimes they advertise the company rather than a specific product. They have had ad's featuring their demo vehicles that always win best sound of show. Last year, they did a Pontiac Vibe with a very basic TR (entry level) system in it. They spent under $2000 on products, and the subs in particular were off the shelf subs, in JL pre-fab boxes. They won best sound of show against compaines that had poured over $50,000 into their demo vehicles. Talk about a slap in the face to other manufacturers, but it is very common for JL to do this.

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merkerguitars

Yeah he made some dumb comments on my mustang thread....he's gone permanently now

Yeah there are many other brands that are way better than rockford.

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Scorps

Me, I go for SQL most of the time, but if I want to piss people off I crank the gain up then its SPL.



JL being the best, I want to get a 800 watt JL but money is a issue and my 600 watt rockford is doing just fine....no problem(yet)!