1987 Chrysler Daytona Shelby-Z 2.2 Turbo
 

Well A buddy of mine has one of these that he is selling for 1600. I'm buying I just want to know what all you guys think of it?

it has a little spot of rust on both back fenders....so small and I got a friend that can fix it for dirt cheap, the main problem is it needs a engine rebuild to pass emissions. Now I was thinking of doing all 4 pistons. Is that a good idea or should I go for a full engine over-hall?

Im getting a bank loan for 3000 dollars so that leaves me 1400 for the engine im hoping thats enough!



These pics are not th car...but looks just like it:
http://www.auto-enthusiast.com/shelbydodge/daytona/Pictures/2002

It has the T-Roof and di

Seems a little pricey, especially if the engine needs to be rebuilt. That's a good bit out of line, if you ask me.

DON"T DO IT, stay away, there's a reason that everyone of them needs major body work, and the engines sound like someone threw sand inside, STAY AWAY. The uh Shelby name on that thing is going to cause Mr. Shelby to roll over in his grave when he eventually passes, poor man has to have his great name associated with this POS. Just an opinion.

Search the Auto Trader there will be something better than this thing.

Get it. Those things make great little sleepers. That and, with proper loving care, those cars should last a while.
Take it to a local mechanic and ask him what he thinks.

$1600 for a rusty K-car with a blown engine?! Uhhhh... I'd pass on that one.

3 years ago I bought an 88 Thunderbird Turbo Coupe with 74k miles, excellent in & out, no rust, drivetrain in perfect shape (just needed a tuneup and a few sensors) for $1200. I still have it now, running great at 105k. Keep shopping around, you can do a lot better than that pile.

Price out a complete long block. Then see if it is still worth it. I think you will find that there are much better deals out there.

Chrysler and Dodge are lower than Gremlins and Pacers in my scoring.

Yeah, you could get a lot better of a car for 3,000 dollars total.

What do you want out of this car?

I would check around to see if you can find a good engine from a junkyard and then it might be worth it. I'm not to knowledgable on those cars.....

Do cars not need to be fast, and subtle before they can be considered sleepers, what is this thing going to race a Nissan Micra? And with all the ugly plastic it isn't being very subtle about whatever it is it's trying to do, and the fast part must of got lost somewhere. From what I see around my town they may last but the years aren't kind to any part of these things, no amount of TLC will save them

Just because it says Shelby on it doesn't make it good, remember that.

No way in hell that car is worth $1600. Honestly. Those 2.2's can fly when you build them right, but ask yourself, is this car worth $1600 without a motor in the engine bay? No way. MAYBE if the rest of the car was MINT.

Plus the upkeep on the turbo setup, plus injectors, etc etc. Oh yea, and insurance companies somehow get off calling it a sports car, so that'll do a number on your rates. If you want the performance, you can get one of the 2.2 turbo sedans for next to nothing.

The only way I'd consider that one a sleeper is because the train of thought is:

That POS can move? foreward even?

By the time the average driver has recovered the k-car is ahead by five carlengths.

well out of 10 posts one person is with me on this, my parents don't even want me to get it, but they don't know shit about cars, they just don't think I have to money!



My buddies mechanic said 800 that is the rings for the one piston that needs work and valve seals, but I need to ask my mechanic how much it would be to have all the piston rings done!

And then when the piston rings are new, a new problem will come up and need to be fixed at X amount of dollars, and then from more newer parts more things are going to fall apart at X amount of dollars, realistically man the car's going to be a money pit that's all, your parents may not know anything about cars, but listen to them on this one, also only 1 person has said this is a good car, don't listen to him.

Yeah, tearing down the whole engine to replace one ring set would be pretty halfassed. If one went bad, the others won't be far behind.

Most of us are against it because $1600 for a rusty 80s Chrysler with a bad engine is an absolute ripoff.

I know if you put new parts in the old ones will fail, thats why Im going to talk to my mechanic about what parts to change! I got 1400 to spend on a rebuild. I found a website that is based on the Daytona. This car would still have a engine that runs fine....if my buddy would have let the Turbo warm up and cool down!

you're still going to have the same problem wether or not you talk to your mechanic about what parts to change, the new ones will still cause the old ones to break.

Seriously man take your $3000 and find a different car this thing is only going to piss you off because you squandered your money on it, do you really want to be paying off a bank loan for a car that you can't drive?

I got into this same problem if my Dad....maybe thats why I don't talk to my parents anymore.....but this is going to be a driveable project car! As the years go by I will do more and more to it!

Not letting the turbo will cool off can cause the turbo to wear out prematurely, but it won't kill the rings or make your valve seals leak.

Ever notice when the light turns green and the car in front of you engulfs you in a cloud of oil smoke, it's almost guaranteed to be an 80s/early 90s Mopar? They had a lot of problems with that..

And the new parts won't necessarily break the old ones, but I can assure you they won't have any problems crapping out on their own. The alternator will go, or the clutch (I hope that car has a manual, Chrysler slushboxes are terrible!). A brake caliper might seize.. Or you'll try to get it aligned only to find that the front end is worn out. Trust me, I've owned a lot of fixer-uppers, and at that age anything and everything can break. A few hundred bucks here and there adds up fast, and in the end you still have an old rattletrap.

You can put all the new parts in the engine that you want, but then other stuff will go wrong. Electronic parts, CV joints, hubs, transmission, clutch, suspension parts, accessories. There is a reason there aren't many '80s and even early '90s Chrysler vehicles on the road anymore. They are serious money pits.

Pain, I can't help but agree with most of my fellow posters on this one. That car might not be worth $1600 mint, never mind with engine probs. Everyone loves a project, but think long and hard about this one. If you like mopars, get an older one. Maybe you're trying to be different than the import or the pony car enthusiasts, but you'd probably have more luck and more fun with an '87 mustang or something. I don't know much about those turbos, but knowing that Chrysler was barely afloat financially at that time leads me to believe they cut corners on most everything like oil and water jackets and intercoolers. Maybe we're all wrong, but even if you're right, you'll have a nice '87 DAYTONA!? good luck either way.

i would get it. click link
http://www.cardomain.com/memberpage/507333
even if you don't invest a lot of money in performance parts you probably will smoke most cars. especially those teenager with those stupid hondas with a fart can. i say go for it!!!

I won't tell to run away because any car you buy could turn into a turd. If you like the car, well that's really important.

But I think you should try to convince your friend that he's asking too much for the car. Seriously, in running condition it should be more like 1000 USD. You don't have to steal it, but it's not too much to expect a fair price.

What do you consider most cars, like chevettes and things, or actual SCC, RSX T-S's, and the like, because yes it could beat the Chevette, but the RSX T-S not a bloody chance, in fact I think that most cars could beat this, the one you showed had so much money invested in it he could of bought a real car and still had money left over to do mods, like I and everyone else said before STAY AWAY.

um yeah you know what you're talking about.... hell, a stock Shelby-Z with stock boost produces 175hp and 200 ft/lbs torque (you know what torque is Mr. RSX?) and weight about 2700lbs.
Any of these Turbo Dodges with T2's can fuckin' haul ass son. You would be surprised.

As for the guy buying the car $1600 is abit much for the condition its in.

check out the TD forums
http://www.turbododge.com/


also
http://www.thedodgegarage.com/

alright fiest off starting a sentence with "uh yeah you know what you're talking about isn't the way to start off on a good foot I notice you have 1 post and you fucked that up, try (if you can) and come across with a little class when you post, don't show up here like you know everything, maybe you should go and read the rules that might help, oh yeah and I'm not your fuckin son.

Yes I know what torque is and my name isn't Mr. RSX jesus I hate newbies like this god damn know it alls, alright they HAD 200lbs of torque but after rednecks get their hands on them it's all gone, and the only way I'd be surprised by these cars is if they actually didn't die, you go check out your fancy dodge fourms and links I don't want to waste my time.

See I don't want to mod the shit out of it, but my buddy beat the pants off the local street racer in a drag with that thing running on 3 pistons!:D

the guy he raced had a Prelude with a turbo Intake and all kinds of stuff...I find it hard to believe, but after driving that thing I believe him now!

believe me you can make those things really fast. i lost to one and that was when i had my 99 cobra. and i walked wrx and evos with that cobra. but lost to the shelby in my area.

at least the newbie has some brain. silent jay how old are you? you worked on any cars? you raced cars? what car do you have? you ever raced against a shelby dodge?

Ya no one does know what car he does drive...but I bet I could beat it with only 3 pistons:D

Yeah, gotta watch for those rednecks and their torque-depleting powers. Just the other day an old pickup truck with a gun rack and a Confederate flag drove by, I must've lost a good 50 lb-ft! :confused:

BTW, an RSX Type-S isn't exactly the gold standard of sports cars. It runs high 14's in the 1/4 mile. Meaning under perfect conditions it'll just barely edge out my 4000-pound '93 Lincoln or a 15 year old Taurus SHO. I'm sure Corvette and Viper owners are shaking in their boots. :rolleyes:

Alright (I'll edit myself to save the mods time) I've stated what I drive before but seeing as brains are not the hot thing amongst some people here I drive a 1996 Subaru 2.5RS with the 22B engine, is that good enough for ya, try to beat that with 3 pistons jesus use your head man, buy your POS Daytona and listen to these (edit myself)
And cr25ovet yes I do work on cars, my age has nothing to do with it, so that is irrelevant, yes I have raced and beat a Daytona so what would you like to know next what I had for breakfast this morning? And who the hell are you to judge if I have a brain or not? absolutely no one. try focusing on the topic of the forum instead of personal attacks, Isn't it comical that the rookies always come in insulting I know I did the same thing, grow up guys.

read the post try to get some understanding I was talking about rednecks that pound the piss out of their cars and don't maintain them, I'm soon going to start drawing some pictures for you guys. I hope you aren't calling the Daytona the Gold standard of sports cars, do you know what this thread is about? reade it sometime.

are you saying I'm a Redneck?....Well I'm NOT!, I don't drive the piss out of my cars....ya from time to time I drive them hard but who doesn't!

My buddy was 17 when he first bought this Daytona, and didn't know what type of damage a Turbo could do to the engine!

If I could find one without a blowin engine I wouldn't probably buy it....I want this car because I like to fix cars up and these new cars are damn computers now and you can't do shit with them unless you have a 300 dollar hand held diagnostics computer.

Holy misunderstanding READ the posts jesus PT I never said you were a redneck did you read that no there settled, the people I was talking about are the kind of people that drive the shit out of their cars and don't maintain them and then still claim they have the same specs as when they were new, the pictures are coming soon this is terrible reading comprehension is a wonderful thing try it

Which engine did it have? The base models only had like 100 horsepower.

And where did I say the Daytona was a good or even somewhat decent car? It's just a reworked economical family car with a hopped-up engine (in some cases). Much like the glorious Civ..err..RSX you love so much.

silent jay i never said you have no brain!! read my post please!
age has something to do with experience so i think its pretty important.
and no don't want to know what you had for breakfast.
thanks and have a good day!

My dad always drove Shelby's
He wrecked(rolled) a red with silver racing stripe, Shelby GT turbo the ones that have the hatch back. He had a black one too but he traded it in for a family car.

So's punctuation...


What you said :
What you meant :
Its pretty easy to see where the misunderstanding comes from when you look at it...



Anyway, the Shelby-Z CAN be a very nice car, pretty quick and decent handling. But the price you payed (or are going to pay?) is just a little too high. If it were running well, then it would be an ok price, given the condition you said its in...but needing a rebuild? You got taken if you paid $1600, even if it is in Canadian money.

HYPOCRITE, practice what you preach..."OmG!!! dis cArz iz SloW Styz AwAy!!111 NE CaRz FaSta diS POS CaR!!11!one!!11"
after reading this one topic you seem to spit more shit then my asshole son.

I was just stating some FACTS about the car...i'm sorry that you got your panties in a bunch about it.

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First off I'm not your god damned son, if I spew more shit than your asshole maybe you should try some Ex-Lax or Metamusil, or Prunes they always work, second this
isn't stating an opinion about the topic this is an attack on me, what does this have to do with a car nothing

I don't think punctuation is what you are looking for here, because my punctuation was fine
And if age is so important I am 26
I don't know it had the fancy lines up the hood and the roof that make it go so fast, I guess it was the turbo or whatever their special edition was, not that it mattered it didn't have a prayer against my Subaru, I mean come on do you know the power that engine produces? And I never said I loved the RSX, I was using a car as a comparisson, but I do like the RSX Type-S

You could get those graphics on any Daytona, regardless of engine. I looked up the times, a turbo Daytona would outrun your 2.5RS, especially if you have an automatic. So yes, whether or not it has a turbo kinda does matter. Go race a WRX if you think it doesn't.

God. I think those Daytonas are junk, but they're still decent enough to be worth defending against ricers..err.."sport compact import enthusiasts" whose knowledge of cars is pretty much limited to "RsX 0wNz j00!!!!111"

Alright first off MY CAR IS NOT A RICER, and neither am I , I love how you assume this because I drive a Subaru did ya put a lot of thought into it before you called me that? Genius do you know what a 22B is? Or are you clueless? I know where my vote lies. It's not a regular 2.5RS or have you not realised that yet, look up the specs before you come back spouting crap and as for racing a WRX why waste my time when I already know I am faster, and NO I don't drive an automatic don't insult me like that.
Once again not a ricer, and I love how I use 1 car for a compao., and suddenly I want to fuck the car or something, jesus man get over it I DON'T HAVE SOME STRANGE CRUSH ON THE RSX so stop talking like it's the onlt thing I talk about, or are you running out of points and keep going back to this, it's kinda stupid if you ask me, I love how you assume all I know about is the RSX why? or do you have no reasons for this? Defend your POS Daytona all you want my Subaru will still be running fast when they are all in the crusher.

God what have a started!


Why do all my threads I start turn into a war? Just look at the GTO thread and you will get what I mean!:hmm:

Yeah really thjat was you too, you're bad luck. Do you know what a 22B engine is? So far I seem to be the only one.

Im not into jap cars....so I never heard of it but Im guessing its got some balls:p

I didn't call you a ricer. Awfully defensive about that though, aren't we? I didn't see the part about your car having the 22B engine. It's not every day you come across that. Got any pics?

remove this post please if possible i screwed up.

sounds like ricer to me, changed to SCC enthusiasts. not defensive just tired of being called that, my other car is an 83 Cougar with 70,000KM on it and in mint shape never seen a winter.

Here's the engine, you don't wanna know what this thing cost me to get just robbery, I could have bought another car for the price I paid for the engine.


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I love my engine:D

OMG so that eninge better be fast....what are the spec of that thing?

Another thing I'm buying this car just because I want something that is somewhat rare in here in Kingston and well it turns heads!

I'm not buying the thing to race people everyday, if some ricer want to race I will do it but I wont be doing it every stop light!

a) they aren't rare
b)they don't turn heads
c)be careful for the ricers their cars won't blow the engine, yours will.

there were only 7500 built in 1987. i call that rare.
i won't comment on your other statements because by now i figured out there is not much hope for you anymore. good luck silent jay.

not much hope, how?explain? they don't turn heads, unless it's to puke, PT buy the car we'll meet in Napanee and race it up, I'll show you what a real car and a real head turner is. 7500 doesn't sound very rare

no hope means click on the link
http://www.j-garage.com/411011.htm
the engine they have on the webpage looks like yours excactly. seems you copied the picture. so what do you really have? ahhhh nevermind i don't care lol.

Or....gasp! Mabey he has a blue 2.5RS with a 22B in it!

Probably because he's got a 22B man!

and even the picture is taken the same way. yes SURE LOL

yeah but remember "thesez cArs R PoS, gO 2 KcaR KruSheR!!11!!." so I guess hat means only about 5 of them are still alive...

You were talking shit about the guy in the link that is running his Daytona in the 11's saying "so much money invested in it" yet you bought and dropped in an expensive ass motor for your 1996 Subaru???

The last time I checked NONE of the Subaru’s (new or old) was easy on the eyes. If your car turns any heads the person will probably be laughing their ass off.

I was talking shit about the guy with the Daytona because he was modding up a piece of shit, and a waste of time, where I on the other hand, dropped an expensive ass motor into a sweet ass car, people just don't laugh their asses off, they actually appreciate that this is a rally car, and a damn fine looking one at that, unlike someone like you who well I'm not going down that road.
Well let's see, I never said the engine in the picture was mine, although I do have one, you asked for a pic of the engine and I provided you with one, let's face it they look the same whether it be in this car or in my car.

I appologise that I don't have a camera to take a picture of the actual engine, I really have no use for one, and I can't justify that purchase just to take pics of my car, but yes the car is Subaru Blue, with gold rims, and yes it does have the 22B engine believe it or not I could care less.

Translation please I don't speak gibberish, and sure maybe there are only 5 left, but why quote what I typed if you have no intention of discussing the quote, all you did is spew some gibberish that may or may not be english, you never actually said why 7500 is rare. That number isn't rare for anything, not a car, painting, gun, sculpture, nothing, it's 7500 that's a pretty high number to be considered rare.

ya I don't get what he is trying to say there either.

But as I type this the Daytona is at at shop. and ym mechanic is going to get a price on a long block.

I don't know if I should get the long block or just get the block rebuilt?:hmm:

Actually, most people I know consider Subarus to be primarily for soccer moms and ex-hippie college professors who can't afford Volvos. They make some cool cars, but nobody really says "OH MY GOD!! DID YOU SEE THAT SUBARU THAT JUST DROVE BY!!!"

Pain Train - please tell me you at least got the price down a bit.

no I couldn't beat him down:(....but if I sell the hood I can get 900 for it:D

Well last time I checked, I wasn't a soccer mom, and I'm only 26 so nope not an ex-hippie, maybe the people you know haven't seen the right Subaru drive by, I mean if all you see are Forresters and Legacy's then ya they are normally driven by the people you mentioned, but I'm pretty sure when people see the STI go by in full rally trim with the 555 up the side and the Subie symbol yellow and bright people say "OH MY GOD!! DID YOU SEE THAT SUBARU THAT JUST DROVE BY!!!", maybe you just can't appreciate a real rally car and that's why you keep defending that Daytona.

So you are buying the car for 1600, hopefully getting 900 for the hood, instead of getting a long block you should look at a different car maybe, naw just kidding you seem pretty solid on purchasing this thing, but remember when it does break all the nice people on the 1st page of this thread who advised you against it.

Well I bought it already...ad I said I could get around 700 to 1000 for the hood but im not selling it unless someone gives me a shit load of money for it!


Im hoping it doesn't brake:eek:

I hope it doesn't break as well

the funny part was me and my buddy fallowed the tow truck in from Verona good half hour drive and when we got to Kingston it was turning heads and it was on the back of a tow truck....HEHE


I had it towed because there is no insurance on it and hell if I get caught again with no insurance I will be done for! I would have loved to drive it to town, but hell I go out to my buddies place a lot so I will be driving out there a lot more...LOL

Probaly get a speeding ticket the first week I have it ont he road!:eek:

it was turning heads on the back of the tow truck because people were saying there goes another Daytona that won't run, sorry man I just can't believe that these things turn heads, we have about 15-20 in my town and no one likes them other than the people that drive them, especially people with a remotely fast car because these kids are always up for some fun, but to each his own enjoy.

well, i can see i got here too late and the thread has already been reduced to name calling and grammar arguements.

if you must go with an 80's chrylser product, go with the Chrysler Conquest TSI, or its mitsubishi counterpart, the Starion. great turbo 2.6 litre race cars. 80's styling that can still turn heads today (if properly restored and cared for). if you can get your hands on one of these for $1600...THEN you have a good starting point for a great, FAST, ride.

this one needs some work but it will live on:D

Well I just go tback from my mechanic shop....this car is got some rot on the frame....but nothing a friends of the family can fix:)

I think my shop is screwing me...they say I need a new rad, but I looked at it, I used to work in Automotive, so im not stupid when it comes to a project car!ya project cars need work...

The good news is it might only need a Turbo, because the engine doesn't bang and make a lot of noise...so thats the good thing:D

yet.

no see if the rings where fucked you would hear the engine make some noise....this thing purrs like a kitty:D

If your mechanic can't even tell whether it's blowing oil because of a bad turbo or rings (which likely won't make any noise if they are bad, BTW), find someone else NOW. It's pretty easy to tell. A bad turbo will dump oil into the intake. A clogged PCV valve will too if you're really lucky, since it only costs about $2 to replace. Bad rings will blow a lot of exhaust into the crankcase.

You should also check out the turbo. Take off the intake piping so you can reach the impeller, and wiggle it around. A very slight amount of back and forth/side to side play is okay (the bearings fill up with pressurized oil when the car is running so it's normal for them to wobble slightly with the engine off), but if there are any scrape marks inside or if impeller moves enough to touch the housing, it's toast.

Structural rust on a unibody car is never good. I don't know what safety inspections are like up there but you might want to find out if you could even get it to pass before putting any money into it.

With the structual rust and the turbo being done, don't you think that someone might have been rodding the piss out of the car to cause this problem? I agree with irseg check the safety requirements, I'm not even sure what they are up here, but dump money into the money pit if it isn't roadworthy?

Well irseg said that done rings wouldn't make noise so maybe my mechanic is dumb, I'm moving it soon to my buddies mechanic, who has worked on this car before, so they can tell me if the turbo is fucked or not. Also this car was safetied not to long ago so it should pass again...I Hope!

Took some pics of my car just the other day:)

http://home.cogeco.ca/~tylerdonlon/cars/Shelby_01.jpg
http://home.cogeco.ca/~tylerdonlon/cars/Shelby_02.jpg
http://home.cogeco.ca/~tylerdonlon/cars/Shelby_03.jpg
http://home.cogeco.ca/~tylerdonlon/cars/Shelby_04.jpg
http://home.cogeco.ca/~tylerdonlon/cars/Shelby_05.jpg
http://home.cogeco.ca/~tylerdonlon/cars/Shelby_06.jpg

ya it's a Daytona.

what im not aloud to post pics of it:hmm:

you're allowed, but he's allowed to not be overly impressed with it too.

true, so true.

yes, yes you are, but,
yes, yes I am

Well as soon as the bank gets back to me I will have this thing on the road:)

This is so much fun! We need more people yelling at each other. Check out the thread that krwlz dragged up called top ten easiest cars to modify.

I'm having a hard time with the level of rudeness in this thread. Sure goes against the spirit of what the Tilted Forum used to be.

It's more sarcasm than rudeness, I mean some of it is rude I'll admit that, but when you get this many opinionated people in one place these things are bound to happen, have you ever seen a session of Canadian Parliament. I'm sorry if I have offended anyone with any of my comments, but like I said these things are bound to happen.

heheheh this is the best thread ever. Pain Train sure knows what he wants!

Ya he stuck pretty solid to this thing he bought, I just hope that in a month or two he's not back in here telling us how the beast broke down, but my money's on it breaking.

Lets hope that doesn't happen!

eh, if the engine on that ugly thing is as strong as his determination to buy it he'll be fine.

Well right now I don't know what I'm doing, with this car. I want to get it back on the road and drive it but my mom and dad are against it and well if I do get rid of it and get another car I'm hoping to get a Eagle Talon! but I want the T-Bar roof!

Who would buy that hood for 900? Whats so special about it besides that it dosent match the rest of the car?

Nobody would ever spend $900 on that hood, he got fed a line of bullshit.

Yep a big ole line $900 for a Daytona hood, oh the humanity. What's the big deal with the T-Top personally I think this is one of the biggest blunders in the industry, next to phantom tops. Seen about 40 of these around my area since this thread started not a one has looked or sounded right. Good luck PT but a Talon would have been a better purchase just make sure it's the TSI, not any of the others, you want the AWD, Turbo or so I hope.

You still see those things? I don't think I've seen a Daytona outside of a junkyard in years. They must be big in Canada for some reason.

Ya I haven't quite figured out why people still drive them, I guess it is a Canadian thing, but if you saw what people do to their cars around here and I mean horrible cars. Just the other night some kid in a Neon with a Canadian Tire graphics kit big ass white dragon on a black car, comes all up behind me like he's just the fastest thing, his car was loud because he had this massive grapefruit launcher for an exhaust, and he starts revving the shit out of his car. now I was thinking it would blow up but next thing you know the kid tries to pass me, I let him get beside me, give him the 1 finger salute and punch the gas gone, lesson learned for that kid. Not to mention the insane amount of Cavaliers, Sunfires, Grand Ams, Prix, even Saturns, that people try and make fast. There's even an old Asuna Sunfire that someone has attempted to make cool, it didn't work. Oh yeah and some guy has an old Tempo, and he took another back bumper from another Tempo and cut it in half and voila he had a part of a body kit, or so he thought. All kinds of crappy cars where I live too bad for me.

The Grand Prix GTP is a badass car, and can be made quite fast pretty easily....

I've heard that, but around here it's usually the normal ones, I don't even know what designation they use, they just aren't my cup of tea.

:lol: That's the most ghetto attempt at a body kit I've ever heard of. And I thought it was bad when they put body kits on without painting them.

Hardly a recent phenomena, behold my first car.

http://www.techquarium.com/carpics/64%20Mustang.jpg
A poor little 6 cylinder, 3 speed 1964 1/2 Mustang. Keep in mind that the 8 cylinder Mustang was a completely different car, suspension-wise. The 6-banger was a Falcon with a Mustang body and at the time everyone knew it. Back then most Mustangs were dirt common and cheap as hell. I paid $400 for that car in 1972 when it was less than 8 years old.

So in my quest to be cool, I jacked up the rear end with a leaf spring lift kit and put 5 bolt adapter/spacers on the rear wheels and then tires so big they hit the fender wells with every bump in the road. At some time after this picture was taken I added GT350 stripes and repainted it myself in my driveway (it didn't look good...).

I cringe now. It was the 1972 equivalent of a riced-out Civic. At the time I didn't give one flying fuck what anyone else thought about it, I liked it. I would even race you knowing full well I was going to lose.

Back to the Daytona the OP got, I still say go for it! Oh, and I'm not implying anything about your car by my story. I've only seen one Daytona like yours in recent years but it looked pretty damn good.

Well it was at the shop all week, and well the uni-body is fucked up good, its going to cost way to much to get patched, I will just chock it up as a loss on my half and get the 92 240Sx I was looking at in the first place...don't know why i just didn't get that...stupid move I guess, but what do you want from a guy that smoked weed for 4 years straight:D