Scorps

I really could care less if its from the US, CDN or Over seas, I'm not going to own one anytime soon, I will stick with my Cavalier and modding the shit out of it!

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silent_jay

don't get me started on the cavalier i can't stand them, mod the shit out of it if you like but after all the money is sunk into it you could have bought an actual fast car. After all the mods and what not I hope you are changing the body too, it will still be a Cavalier which are a dime a dozen and not one of them is really that fast. Do we remember the Cavaliers and Sunbirds of the 80's and they turned those into and apparent compact sports car, no they didn't it's a car thats about it.

no offense just my opinion

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amonkie

Just thought I'd add my two cents after taking a ride in a new friend's 2000 GTO. That thing was SWEET. Anybody who knocks the car without a ride seriously needs to think twice. Now the question is, do I want a date with him or with the car?

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Krycheck

A little late but a few points:

Looks like a Dodge Avenger in the front and side views. Especially the headlamps.

The interior is very nice. Look nothing like a typical Pontiac interior. No bubble shaped grey buttons anywere in this car. Doesn't even look like a GM product in the inside at all.

Price is a little too much for my taste, Vette engine or not. Dealer were I saw it was asking $10,000 over msrp!!!

I have yet to see one on the road, not suprising at all.

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twilightfoix

well, it's ugly and it's fast. maybe's it's too fast to see that it's ugly! one could hope.

silent_jay

yes we could only hope

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taylorspl

I see fugly from the front and a Dogde Avenger from the side and a Sentra from the rear...at least it's fast.

silent_jay

I like my cars to look good and be fast, no compromise, it's my baby why would I want to be saying man my ride is ugly as shit but it sure is fast. Why not just buy the SRT-4 whatever the fuck it is, apparantley it is quite fast but still looks like a Neon.

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Scorps

And your open top your opinion, I don't care what people think about the Cavaliers, I like the nody design and I don't have that much money to play with right now, so I need something thats I'm not going to be paying off for the next 50 years. But I hope within the next year or so to get a turbo put on it

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silent_jay

I wasn't bashing the cavalier as a car, although I do not like the look or ride quality, I just hate people who drive them around like they're Aston Martin's, they are fine if they are just driven like a car and not a race car.

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Scorps

Well thats why I want the V6 that motor can take a beating(I worked in Automotive for 4 years and the inline 4's are always in for work)

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silent_jay

my cousin had the V6 and I wasn't overly impressed I'll stick with my 2.5RS, the 4's are terrible, for some reason american car companies can't build a decent 4 banger

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Scorps

well when I get the car I will drive it for like a year then the work will start, I want to rebuild the engine, then slap a turbo on it

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silent_jay

what type of turbo are you intending on putting on OEM or aftermarket if aftermarket I hope you stay below 6lbs boost unless you like somebody knocking and pinging on your door every 2 seconds. If you go aftermarket be prepared for a substantial bottom end work. Then you will be quick to find out no one makes anything for this engine of any useable quality. Even though I and others really hate Cavalier I'll give you one piece of advice people who hate Cavaliers keep secret go to a junkyard and get a 3.8 supercharged engine (avaliable in abundance) with install and thin rad. total cost should be around $1500 US. If you need someone to do the work bump the price up to $2000-$2500. As opposed to stcking with your 4 cylinder you would start with 240HP and more torque than you could get from 14lbs of boost with a turbo. If you put on just the turbo by the time you reach that kind of HP it will cost between $5500-$6500...shop smart...shop s-mart

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Scorps

and this 3.8 is a V6??

and if I go the the junk yard in my home town they don't let you do anything, you tell them what you want they pull it and they put it in....which I hate, they can pull it but I want my mechanic to do the work

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and thanks for the advice

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silent_jay

UAP any part suppliers can order you the engine and yes it is a V6, why can't you do the engine swap yourself you said you had automotive background just wondering, or is it a tool issue.

What is up with a junk yard that wants to put something into a car it is their job to take it out, go to Belleville and see what they have and also try Trenton I know those two towns have junkers.

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Scorps

Ya well I guess I could go to Belleville, but Trenton is to far of a drive......I would do it my self but I don't have a garage, my driveway is gravel and well I don't have a cherry picker!

And how much would one of these create engines cost me?

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silent_jay

trentons only five minutes farther and second a cherry picker is only 20 a day and third put down 2 sheets of 3/4 inch plywood or thicker and you will have a safe car perch, call canadian tire they have a couple of suplliers and with my exp. a regular rebuilt is around 700 to 1400 depending on model and if you have a proper core unit.. other wise some company's will only take back the same old block for the core charge....what sort of back ground do you have.. i don't want to fill up the page with elementary thing you already know.. at least if i give you a little guidance you will realize an engine swap is basically lego

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Scorps

Canadian Tire doesn't like me....I got fired from there, they might remember me but they probally do.

My mechanic does a good job and they pay by the half- hour

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Scorps

Wow she has more power a new hood AND THE ALL NEW LS2





Drivetrain:
Engine - GM LS2 90º V 8
Engine Location - Front , longitudinally mounted
Displacement - 5.970 liter / 364.3 cu in
Valvetrain - 2 valves / cylinder, OHV
Fuel feed - Sequential Port Fuel injection
Aspiration - Naturally Aspirated
Gearbox - Tremec T56 6 speed Manual
Drive - Rear wheel drive
Performance Figures:
Power - 400 bhp / 298 KW @ 5200 rpm
Torque - 546 Nm / 403 ft lbs @ 4000 rpm
BHP/Liter - 67 bhp / liter
Power to weight ratio - N/A
Top Speed - N/A
0-60 mph Acceleration 5.0 s

1slOwCD8

I dont like the hood scoops or the rims. R the scoops even functional? Other than that, that car is sweeeeeeet!

Scorps

I don't know about the hood vents but I think they suit the GTO...just like the classic Ram Air

skyfire

I liked the car for 04' and the new 05's with the new engine, hood, and dual exhaust outlets, is even better.

Id buy one, if I could afford it...

Scorps

Well the Ram Air edition has arrived

(don't know why its called the GTO Ram Air 6 for)







The hood is now fully functional and its got a little bit of a new look, and the exhaust looks cool.

BigTruck1956

I saw one that GM brought to my school's career fair, and all in all, i was unimpressed. maybe its b/c it was parked next to a 2005 vette...

although i do like the v8 coupled with rear wheel drive.

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Scorps

One of those GTO's?

the design might not be the best yet(but it is getting nicer) but I'm all for the HP it puts out!

1slOwCD8

Is that car gonna be factory like that? I like this one the best by far, i actually like the hood scoops on this car, it really flows with the car. The kit looks awesome. The black housing headlights are niiiiice. Not to make it ricey or anything, but if i bought the car, id get a c/f hood with the same style as that one, a c/f trunk, and get the rims painted black w/ a polished lip. That would look insane. Anybody know a price tag on a regular GTO?

98MustGT

WRX is ugly
Rear wheel drive is better
WRX is not American

silent_jay

RWD is better, how do you figure that a RWD car is better than an AWD car? Of course the WRX isn't American people actually buy them, and they stay running.

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silent_jay

32,495 for the base model

http://www.pontiac.com/gto/index.jsp...&pagename=home





I thought this thread wass dead months ago?

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Scorps

It did die....but I posted the new model in here because people would bitch at me for not using the search button.

merkerguitars

You should pick up this months edition of Hot Rod magazine..apparently there is a company that takes GTO and puts 454 engines in them and redoes the body and labels them as a new chevelle..they look really nice

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1slOwCD8

Any pics of this "new" chevelle. This should be interesting to see.

silent_jay

that does sound interesting

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merkerguitars

Just made a new thread with it...enjoy

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Link?

Would help!(I'm just lazy)

Nimisys

actually rwd is better in terms of total perfromance over awd for a couple of reasons. first off pure rwd is lighter than awd. two extra differentials, an additional dirveshaft and then a transfercase all add weight. second your combined gear lash through an entire awd system is greater than with rwd, which lowers the effiency of the powerflow through the system. the addional spinning componets add mass that takes more power to spin. and finally the implementation of the AWD system greatky affects its perfromance. there are multiple ways of implementing it, some better perfroming than others. the current popular setup of choice *used by honda/acura, mitsubishi, toyota, some gm, etc* uses a single viscous coupling to transfer power to the rear wheels. problem with the setup is that for 90% of the time the rear half is being dragged along (added weight and rolling resistance) and when power is needed to be trnasfered, it is not mechanicly linked but hydraliclly, lowering the effieceny further, combined that it can only transfer when there is a difference in speeds. However subaru's setup is not of this type, but its components are awfully small.

and finally Subaru is owned by Fuji Heavy Industries, in which GM holds a 20% controlling stake. which is why Saab's 9-2x is a wrx, and the two branches are working on new platform now.

And finally go look into the incidents of repairs reports put out, amercan brands are doing quite well while some notable japanese and europeans brands are not.

1slOwCD8

Isnt it known that a AWD car with less hp than a RWD car will always win in a race, due to the fact that an AWD car has more traction?

Nimisys

hardly.

look at the traction issue this way.

a tire has a limited set amount of grip that can be divided in two forms. one is road holding and one is power delivery. whe 75% of a tires total grip is being used in road holding that leaves UPTO 25% aviable for power delivery. if the power being applied to the wheel would be 50% of a tire grip under normal conditions, but used in this instanse your 75% toward road holding + 50% of power delivery exceeds 100% and you get a tire that slips. you lose a portion of roadholding and a portion of power delivery to the point where total capacity is 100%. overlysimplified? yes, but the idea behind it is sound.

where awd has the advatnage is that it allows power delevery to be divided amoung 4 tires instead of just two, so instead of the tire using 50% of its gripping capacity for power delivery its using only 25%. so int he example above the tire would not have slipped. however using the same example (from the first paragraph), if 75% of a tire is being called on for road holding, but only 10% of it is being asked to do power delivery, then it will still not slip, regardless of how many other tires are being asked to share the load.

So AWD setup SOLE advantage is in extreme tracion areas, IE rally racing and inital take off of a vehicle. you can divide your power output across more tires. however when the amount of traction avialbe is suffcient for power delivery and road holding to occur within the limits of the tire, there is no advatnage to splitng your power distrabution amoung additional tires. when this is the case (as it is in the majoity of the time in on-pavment racing) the advantage of a lighter drivetrain and more effceint transfer of power becames apparent.

in general during ideal race conditons on a pavement cource, an awd vehicle will require additional horcepower to match an otherwise identical rwd vehicle. the losses due to weight and rotational mass are large enough to cause a descrepency in performance. again awd has the advatnage in that it can divide its power delivery across a broader range of tires, however this only applies when traction is liming the power delivery across only two tires.

mdryfhout

firstly this was a aussie design and built car ( holden owned by GM ) it has some us engine coponetary and then it was restyled and badged differently for the petrol thirsty americans . they also come in 4wd shortly as well and yo can compare these german Mercs and beemers they have v8 sports cars as well but just cost twice as much . Personally don't like large v8s or american crud ,i prefer European and Japanese cars . design economy tecnology then power thats the way it needs 2 be these day not just slamming 6ltrs of pushrod crud

But thats just my oppinion and everyone is entitled to one and be respected