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Old 12-04-2003, 03:04 PM   #1 (permalink)
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alright, call me ignorant, but i have kept hearing this term over the past few months (never heard it before) and i have no idea what it is. the impression i get is that it's a type of racing and it's popular with the imports (so i'm assuming it's not the 1/4 mile ) j/k anyway... anyone care to enlighten me?
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Old 12-04-2003, 03:30 PM   #2 (permalink)
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It's when you hit a turn and you.. drift.

Here is a good example
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Old 12-04-2003, 03:44 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Here's a little vid.

<embed src="http://www.importtuner.com/promo/03092nr_drifting02_lg.wmv"></embed>
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Old 12-04-2003, 04:07 PM   #4 (permalink)
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ah, i know exactly what you guys are talking about then, i just never knew the term.

so what makes one car better for that than another?
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Old 12-04-2003, 05:33 PM   #5 (permalink)
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so what makes one car better for that than another?
Forgiving tires and a neutrally balanced suspension. Open differential+RWD makes it very easy, but those things certainly aren't required.
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Old 12-04-2003, 05:48 PM   #6 (permalink)
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if RWD is prefered, why isn't it more popular among muscle cars? which are usually RWD whereas imports are usually FWD?
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Old 12-04-2003, 06:22 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Well, most of the more expensive imports that people use in drifting are actually RWD (RX-7, Skyline, Silvia, etc.) - though it's certainly possible to drift in a FWD car (people do it in Integras, etc.).

As for why don't more people with muscle cars drift, I think it's because of the different mentalities. A lot of the time, people with muscle cars think "Muscle car means go VERY fast" and concentrate on drag racing. You can't take a drag race car and go drifting in it, most of the time, because it's a completely different set up.
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Old 12-04-2003, 06:26 PM   #8 (permalink)
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i am sorry, but i have to say something. this could possibly be one of the stupidest things you can do in a car. not only do you go through tires like some guys go through women. it is extremelly dangerous. to do this, you must be 100% focused, because one slip up could cost you your life. trust me i have seen several accidents.

for example, my neighbor races autocross in the scca. we go to the california speedway every once in a while and have our races. sometimes they have the drift racing on the infield. and twice they have had to call a medivac.

and plus isn't the point of racing to get around the course the fastest. well i will tell you what, drifting only works in rally racing, ON DIRT, and on pavement, you guessed it, drifting will only slow you down.
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Old 12-04-2003, 06:42 PM   #9 (permalink)
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nice vid...........later in that show one of the guys smacks the rear of his car into the wall.
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Old 12-04-2003, 06:50 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Muscle cars generally have limited slip differentials, which makes drifting difficult. Of course its still possible, and people do it. Its not really a new thing. The difference is that people with muscle cars tend to be older now, and are therefore smart enough to do it on a track (I realize its not fast, but it is fun) or a big open parking lot. Its extremely stupid to try it on during normal driving.
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Old 12-04-2003, 07:27 PM   #11 (permalink)
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and plus isn't the point of racing to get around the course the fastest. well i will tell you what, drifting only works in rally racing, ON DIRT, and on pavement, you guessed it, drifting will only slow you down.
Well, drift competitions are to show off how well you can drift, not to necessarily win a race. As for drifting slowing you down on pavement, yes and no. If you can navigate a turn, while drifting, and keep your speed at - say - 80MPH, it's better than having to slow down, navigate the turn, and speed back up.

As for rally races being the best place to drift, you have my complete and total agreement. I love to watch rally races, because you see some insane stunts while going around turns in the dirt, mud, or wet pavement.
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Old 12-04-2003, 07:39 PM   #12 (permalink)
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As for drifting slowing you down on pavement, yes and no. If you can navigate a turn, while drifting, and keep your speed at - say - 80MPH, it's better than having to slow down, navigate the turn, and speed back up.
i am sorry but you are wrong. trust me, the fastest way around a turn is to maintain grip. when you drift you do not have traction, hence the drift, so this means you can not decelerate or accelerate. if drifting was the fastest way around the corner there would be no need for spoilers or wide tires. the idea behind both is the get as much grip as possible.

and by the way, i am not saying drifting is not cool. infact it is very entertaining to be racing and suddenly do a 360 after losing control in a turn. what i am saying is that it is not the fastest or the safest way around a turn.
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Old 12-04-2003, 08:50 PM   #13 (permalink)
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I'm certainly not arguing that it's safe - far from it. As for not the fastest, I guess I was mistaken. Either way, very entertaining to watch and (assuming you've got a very safe place to do it in) to try on your own.
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Old 12-04-2003, 09:46 PM   #14 (permalink)
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i am sorry but you are wrong. trust me, the fastest way around a turn is to maintain grip. when you drift you do not have traction, hence the drift, so this means you can not decelerate or accelerate.

That's not true. If you couldn't decelerate when you got in a drift, you'd keep drifting forever until you hit something.

What is true, however, is that you're not driving as efficiently as possible. If you want proof that drifting isn't the fastest way around a track, watch the formula 1 guys. They're the fastest track drivers on the planet, and you'll never see 'em drift.
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Old 12-04-2003, 10:10 PM   #15 (permalink)
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What is true, however, is that you're not driving as efficiently as possible. If you want proof that drifting isn't the fastest way around a track, watch the formula 1 guys. They're the fastest track drivers on the planet, and you'll never see 'em drift.
that is exactly what i just said. so let me repeat.

drifting = bad
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Old 12-04-2003, 10:13 PM   #16 (permalink)
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also, i forgot, i do watch f1. i watch it as much as i can. they are expert at pushing the car to the limit. going as fast as possible while still maintaining grip.

btw my favorite driver is juan montoya.
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Old 12-05-2003, 11:10 AM   #17 (permalink)
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The reason you never see F1 cars drift anymore is that they have traction control fitted. Without it, all the fastest drivers would be oversteering to at least some degree on practically every bend, just as they used to. Drifting wasn't bad then, and can still be a fast and stylish way round a corner to this day.
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Old 12-05-2003, 03:27 PM   #18 (permalink)
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F1 rules are very restrictive on traction control, and didn't allow it before 2001 (I think). It is in any case a way to go around the track *faster*, not the other way around. The system optimizes tire slip.
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Old 12-09-2003, 06:12 PM   #19 (permalink)
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i heard it isn't as much rwd as it is 50-50 weight distribution
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Old 12-09-2003, 06:19 PM   #20 (permalink)
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Only RWD/AWD cars can drift. Front drive cars can slide the tail, but drifting is about controlling the slide and drift competitions are about making the drift last as long as possible. Most drift cars have pretty powerful engines and limited-slip differentials.
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Old 12-11-2003, 02:18 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Drifting is not the fastest away around an asphalt corner, unless you are driving a motogp bike. Cars have gobs of traction, and the computer-proven fastest method of turning is using trail-braking to correct your course ( braking late into the turn ) and then nailing the throttle and coming out of the turn at as high as possible speed. Do a search on trailbraking for more info. You are on the THRESHOLD of drifting when you trailbrake correctly, but instead you are using all your tires ability to corner and accelerate at the same time. Traction control systems help the F1 cars do this in the most efficent way possible without sliding.

You cannot accelerate while drifting. It is physically impossible to accelerate in a forward direction(towards the end of the turn) while your drive wheels are spinning ( for true drifting )

If you are using a FWD to drift, you must be pulling brakes to drift, therefore slowing down ALOT. Otherwise, the front wheels would be spinning, leading to a near uncontrollable slide(steering and drive wheels spinning = no control ) . For AWD, yeah , you can accelerate, but I've never seen any video of a car gaining momentum while drifting. Maintaining momentum, yes, but not gaining. If you trailbrake properly, you will gain the most amount of momentum through the corner and have the highest possible exit speed with the least amount of time in the corner. Drifting gives a high exit speed, but the time in the corner is ridiculously long compared to properly slowing down.

Bikes actually benefit from sliding their rear tire... but be warned for any biker-noob-wannabes reading this : If you aren't a motogp or supermoto rider, just don't do it. Sliding the rear tire is dangerous at very least, and you can end up high sided ( with your bike smashing into you after you hit the ground ) or low sided ( sliding down the road after your bike ). You will be hurt if you incorrectly control a rear wheel slide, and to correctly control one takes more training than any book can tell you. If you want to slide your bike, do it off road where it is appropriate.

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If drifting is "so slow", then why do rally cars do it?

Simple. They have NO TRACTION compared to race track asphault or concrete . They don't have the luxury of being able to trail brake and run the ragged edge between cornering and accelerating. Therefore, they take the fastest line for conditions by sliding.

Comparing WRC racing to road racing is like comparing supercross to motogp. Completely different surfaces, completely different riding(or driving) styles. What is fast in one is slow in the other.


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Old 12-11-2003, 04:29 PM   #22 (permalink)
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If you want to watch some good drifting, buy an "Option" video. They are all over ebay.
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Old 12-12-2003, 10:18 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Oh common guys, drifting has nothing to do with being the "fastest" around the track. Drift is about STYLE. Notice that in drift comps, they arnt even timed. The panel of judges just go by what looks best: how much control they have, degree of style, precision, ect. They just dont go out there and hand out their tails all willie-nillie. Oh, and Option videos rock! I have a few of them, and check out the Drift Bible too! It teaches you how do drift using 4 different format cars, including
MR2s <-[Biased] MRs arnt easy to drift though, I've messed around with it a little bit but i dont wanna screw up my car too bad. I'll leave it to the guys with deep pockets and gigantic cajones...
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Old 12-12-2003, 11:08 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Well, you would be wise to not try and drift your MR2....mid-engine cars are VERY prone to spinning out even with just some oversteer. Theres a reason all the best drifters in the world use a Front-engine/Rear-wheel-drive car configuration....

I own a 97 Z28 that I race the shit out of (not the pussy 1/4 mile), and I hang out with a bunch of 240sx guys. In other words....I hang with a bunch of drifters lol. For those who dont know, the 240sx is in like the top 2 or 3 choices of cars for drifters.

I do my share in my Camaro, and it is fun, but to be honest, I dont like tearing up my tires....

And now this is going to sound very asshole-ish, but I dont mean it like that.... I think the reason Muscle car guys race and 240sx (all amateur drifters in general) guys drift is because, for your average amateur driver/car owner, the Camaro is fast and the 240 is not. The 240 guy then naturally becomes interested in something his car is good at, like drifting, and not pure speed/power.

Just a thought...

PS: Drifting is NOT the fastest way around. Even a drifter will tell you that.

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