Help me talk my buddy out of buying a Miata. - Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

marcopolo · 08-24-2003, 07:21 AM

I have this mid-40sh buddy who has been talking about buying a Mazda Miata for a couple years now . He finally went to the dealership and took one for a test drive . He is 6ft tall , 220 pounds and I can only imagine that he looked like Mr. Potato Head while driving this little car . He already gets teased for being a geek ( he runs our tech support at work ) , I can only surmise that he'll get a bashing for driving this girly car .
Help me convince him that this is going to be a 26 , 000 dollar mistake . Maybe he will listen to some alternative car ideas in the same price range .

Peryn · 08-24-2003, 09:06 AM

Personally, i would advise him the other way. Not too many cars out there that will tear it up on the autocross for that price range. Plus, the newer miatas look more like mini vipers than they do the old gay person car they used to. They have and aweful stigma about them, they they are by far one of hte best bang for the buck cars out there at that price range too. At least new...

If he is looking for a little sports car, the s2000 is a way to go, at 10grand more for the invoice price over a miata. Miatas engine is extremely strong, and begging/built for boost too from what i hear.

Now if for some reason its just the image of the miata you dont like, go for a 350z. at 2003, the special edition miata costs basically the same as a base model 350z. the Z is pimpin too. a badass car if ever there was one, though it doesn't tear up the autoX like a miata. weighs a good 800lbs more and has a 5ft wider turning radius. On the other hand, it has almost exactly twice the horsepower. Not quite the legroom, but headroom and overall passenger space is larger than the miata, which is good since you said hes a rather large man. And nobody will tease you for a 350z unless they have no idea what it really is.

http://autos.msn.com/compare/choose....odel2=&pt=dual

Use that, it is a great utility. Go check out some other models to see how they really compare.

rival · 08-24-2003, 09:20 AM

I have to agree with Peryn. The Miata isn't as gay as it used to be. I see older men driving them around my area all the time. Considering I normally see a woman in the passenger seat, I don't think they are gay.

It's a quick, fun car to drive. If your friend likes it, there is no reason for him not to buy one. After all, he's buying the car for himself, not to make his co-workers happy. He's your buddy, stop worrying about his image and let him have some fun.

mystic511 · 08-24-2003, 09:36 AM

I also could not in good conscience tell your friend not to buy a miata. I think it's a great car. And personally, only a confident man would be able to drive one.

MaxX · 08-24-2003, 12:06 PM

Heh as long he is not all legs. I love the car, but when i test drove one I could not use the clutch right cause I could not get my knee between the door and the steering wheel...

laconic1 · 08-25-2003, 12:34 PM

I'm 6'2" and it is impossible for me to drive a Miata because I just don't fit. I doubt anyone over 5'8" could comfortably drive one.

Sion · 08-25-2003, 03:43 PM

tell him to get a Boxter instead, much cooler car.

sixate · 08-25-2003, 04:09 PM

Miata's are for chics...... A guy that's over 6' shouldn't even get inside of one of those rides. There are just some cars that I would never get in, and that is one of them. For another 5 grand the dude could be driving an S2000.

pagliachi2003 · 08-25-2003, 04:43 PM

It's too bad miata's are chick cars, because they really are pretty cool. Decent power, great handling, and fun as hell to drive. If he doesn't mind the stigma then he should get one - it's a great car.

0001 · 08-25-2003, 05:09 PM

RX7.

That is all.

Peryn · 08-25-2003, 09:30 PM

almost there. one more..... RX-8

tinytim · 08-25-2003, 11:18 PM

My pops is 6' 4" and drives a miata all summer and all winter long in Alaska. Sounds like it should work for your buddy. And if he is a geek anyways who cares? Whats a geek in a camero? A white trash geek?

canucker · 08-26-2003, 08:54 AM

I'd hate to be seeing that all day long in a miata.

johnnymysto · 08-26-2003, 09:01 AM

See for yourself:

http://cartalk.cars.com/About/Gay-Lesbian/gay-guy2.html

Numero 5 on the list.

JStrider · 08-26-2003, 09:57 AM

well i know a guy who bought one as his midlife crisis car... hes a little of 6 foot... and after a while his back started hurting cuz he had to sit so far down to get in and out...

pixelbend · 08-26-2003, 10:08 AM

Is he tall? If so, you're not gonna be able to cram his ass in a Miata.

shakran · 08-26-2003, 11:33 AM

"Miata's are for chics"

Funny. I was under the impression that Miatas were for people that know something about cars and can spot a good one when they see it.

marcopolo · 08-26-2003, 12:51 PM

After bringing in a bright red feather boa for my buddy to wear while driving his Miata he finally got the hint . He is now looking at RX-8's in the 30,000 dollar price range .
Phew ! Another crisis avoided !
For those of you who gave me REASONS NOT TO BUY A MIATA . Thanks !

etla · 08-26-2003, 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sion
tell him to get a Boxter instead, much cooler car.

Right, cause a guy looking at low to mid $20K cars should defiently be able to afford Mid to High $40s

merkerguitars · 08-26-2003, 01:45 PM

They aren't really a car for tall people....I sat in my friends mom and the only way I could ever drive that thing is with the top down and i'm 6'1. Now if its a 400hp miata....that wouldn't be a chick car

Peryn · 08-26-2003, 03:14 PM

RX-8. hes my hero

lol, thats if he can find a dealership with one though.... Down here, they sold their first allotment of them months before they even arrived...

ratbastid · 08-30-2003, 08:50 AM

I'm just over six feet, currently 225 lbs (and dropping) and I fit like a <i>glove</i> into my Miata. And I LOVE it. Best, most fun car I've ever owned.

Gay man's car? Maybe. Talk to me about that when I'm cruising the twisty backroads with a topless car and a topless wife.

rodgerd · 08-30-2003, 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by crazybill5280
I'm 6'2" and it is impossible for me to drive a Miata because I just don't fit. I doubt anyone over 5'8" could comfortably drive one.

I'm 185 (6'1") and it was no problem for me the one time I went out for a spin. Nice wee cars.

rodgerd · 08-30-2003, 03:00 PM

The MX-5 (Miata to you 8) is comfortable, has enough go to haul arse on twisty roads, has superb balance, and is generally a bloody good throwback to cars like the MG, 356 and the like.

Your friend sounds like he cares more about driving than posing. Good on him. If you care about posing, don't go for rides with him.

rodgerd · 08-30-2003, 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sixate
Miata's are for chics......

Insecure, much?

bad30th · 08-30-2003, 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by tinytim
And if he is a geek anyways who cares? Whats a geek in a camero? A white trash geek?

CamEro? Why does driving a CamEro make him white trash? Oh I know. Because a CamEro isnt included in the current riceboy fad...or the current 'sophisticated car' fad

The CamEro is a real sports car.

Oh ya...us white trash CamAro guys can at least spell it right...whats that make you?

Quote:

Originally posted by shakran
"Miata's are for chics"

Funny. I was under the impression that Miatas were for people that know something about cars and can spot a good one when they see it.

Funny. You'd be confusing people who know something about cars and can spot a good one.....with people who now something about Go-Karts and can spot a good one when they see it

To the original poster's friend.....DONT BUY A MIATA FOR 26,000 FRIGGIN DOLLARS!!! YOU WILL REGRET NOT BUYING A REAL CAR!

shakran · 08-30-2003, 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bad30th
CamEro? Why does driving a CamEro make him white trash? Oh I know. Because a CamEro isnt included in the current riceboy fad...or the current 'sophisticated car' fad The CamEro is a real sports car.

Oh ya...us white trash CamAro guys can at least spell it right...whats that make you?

Funny. You'd be confusing people who know something about cars and can spot a good one.....with people who now something about Go-Karts and can spot a good one when they see it

You say that like it's a bad thing! Sure, the Miata handles like a gokart. That's great!

BTW, the Camaro is NOT a sports car by any definition of the word. It's a muscle car (well, except for the V6 versions, which are just aerodynamic-looking slow cars). Nothing wrong with that, but by strict definition the Miata is the sports car, not the Camaro.

Also BTW, the Camaro has been discontinued. The Miata has not. Any guesses why?

Finally, the Miata will be running LONG after that Camaro has died and gone to the junkyard.

bad30th · 08-31-2003, 01:31 PM

Riiight. How many cars you worked on in your life? ok. Come talk to me when YOU know something instead of going off of others' anecdotal experiences.

And i love how people discount the F-Body simply because they arent making them anymore. How many sports cars have been killed in the history of the automobile? Does that mean they arent worth mentioning because they dont make them anymore?? Thats is the most asenine logic i have ever heard.

Peryn · 08-31-2003, 05:29 PM

Very off topic, but would consider the newer Camaro SS's as close to sports cars as they came.... though still more muscle car than sports car.

It causes a lot of controversy, but i wouldn't consider the Corvette a sports car either...not even the Z06's now that i think about it. They are definately good handling and have a lot of power, but they belong much more in the Grand Touring class than as a "sportscar" in the truest sense of the word.

shakran · 08-31-2003, 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bad30th
Riiight. How many cars you worked on in your life? ok. Come talk to me when YOU know something instead of going off of others' anecdotal experiences.

And i love how people discount the F-Body simply because they arent making them anymore. How many sports cars have been killed in the history of the automobile? Does that mean they arent worth mentioning because they dont make them anymore?? Thats is the most asenine logic i have ever heard.

Wait. So in order to have any valid opinions about what is and is not a sports car, I have to have worked on a lot of cars? And you talk about asinine logic? Doesn't matter though because I have worked on a lot of cars. American and import. I never said the Camaro wasn't cool, I said it was being discontinued. That means customers aren't buying it. The miata isn't being discontinued, which means customers ARE buying it. Obviously, the miata has something that the public wants that the camaro lacks. Also obviously, more than just women are buying the Miata because if it was only driven by women it would be cancelled since cutting the potential customer base in half would mean there wouldn't be enough people who liked and could afford the miata to keep it going. The camaro is worth mentioning, just as all the other great sports and muscle cars that are no longer being made are worth mentioning, but the fact is that it lacks the sense of refinement and nimbleness which is the essence of a real sports car.

And surely you are not going to sit there and try to tell me that the V6 camaro was worthy of any notice?

By the way, when did I go off other's anecdotal experiences as you accuse me of doing? Come back to me when you've learned how to properly read a post and respond to it without a huge chip on your shoulder.

Lebell · 09-01-2003, 08:33 AM

Calm down guys. No need to get all worked up and turn the thread into a flamewar.

bad30th · 09-02-2003, 09:41 AM

Ok.

Apologies for my post...I was having a horible day...didnt mean to take it out on anyone.

I was mistaken in my assumption that you discounted the Camaro as invalid just because they arent making them anymore. And yes, the V6 is a joke. There are a million different reasons that GM quit making the Camaro. There are a million different reasons that Mazda is still making the Miata. You cannot generalize and say that Miata > Camaro simply because they still produce the Miata.

I do disagree with you about it not being a sports car. I am interested in your definition of a sports car. (By the way, the Camaro SS is nothing more than a lightly modded Z28 with nearly identical power levels). In my hunble opinion, a sports car is a mid-to-small sized car that compromises luxury, refinement, and even sometimes comfort for the sake of going fast, handling well, and looking good doing it

Peryn · 09-02-2003, 11:34 AM

Well, back to the topic of that guy's buddy getting a miata.... have him take a look at Audi TT. My aunt just picked one up. A 2002 with <100 miles on it. basically a brand new car, though not the newest model year. She got with tax, liscence and registration for about 7 grand more than a new miata. Its got more power, turbo

, AWD, convertible top as well, and is way more sophisticated looking and better engineered than Mazda. Twice the car at a minimal price increase. Its not wankel-powered but it will cost as much as the rx8 will after taxed and registration and all, and again, its AWD. I suggest looking into higher end cars that are new, but older model years.

Ramega · 09-02-2003, 03:18 PM

32V
DOHC
Factory Supercharged
Six-speed
Independent rear suspension
390hp

Does that sound like a sports car to you? Hint: it's made by an American manufacturer.

Stereotypes, while usually based on some sort of fact, can change.

JBX · 09-03-2003, 01:18 PM

pocon1 · 09-03-2003, 04:12 PM

Where I autocross in DC, there are three or four turbo miatas. Those cars handle great. A Porsche Boxster, while a nice car, screams midlife crisis. What about a Toyota MR spyder? those are pretty sharp

Elitegibson · 09-04-2003, 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by johnnymysto
See for yourself:

http://cartalk.cars.com/About/Gay-Lesbian/gay-guy2.html

Numero 5 on the list.

Yeah, but for some reason the BMW 3-series was in there. That car is pretty fuckin far from gay. I'd actually like to own a miata. I've seen enough videos of them on the track and have heard that they're so fun to drive that I would definitely like to have one. I'd probably put a turbo in it though.

If your friend wants a miata, let him have one, but if he's open to suggestions in the same price range, I'd say 350Z, BMW 3-series, RX-8, or Impreza WRX. They're all very nice midlife crisis cars, and don't carry the stigma that for some reason the miata does.

castex · 09-04-2003, 02:10 PM

The Miata, or MX5 is pre-eminent in terms of practical enjoyment. Everything about it is locked-in, switched on. For the money, it's very, very difficult to find a finer driving experience.

Peryn · 09-04-2003, 02:30 PM

Well, if all your are looking at is capability of the car and its longing to be on a track, then it is an awesome experience. When i think of a fine driving experience, i think of a BMW 8-series. i think of an slk500. i think of the Audi tt roadster quattro.

The miata is absolutely an extreme drivers car for those that want to out handle most cars straight from the factory. and do it for <30k. Its great for a midlife crisis, but lacks any real sophistication and what i would consider a "fine driving experience". Its is capable and fun....not quite "fine"...yet.

At least thats how i feel about it...

simplecyman · 09-04-2003, 06:46 PM

I've owned a new miata (totally kich-ass SPORTS car) 2 V-8 Camaros (1) a 5.0 HO, Z-28 (double-rompin kick ass SPORTY car), an RX-7 (TRIED to tear it up/couldn't), an L-82 Corvette, a couple of Z cars... I picked up a LOT of tail with that Miata, but it wasn't very practical, wasn't fast enough when I wanted it to be, scared a bunch of people on the cliff road, never had any trouble with it, and sold it with 20,000 miles and only lost 3 gs off sticker. It all depends on where the guy is in life and what HE wants. Right now, I've got the cleanest '95 XJS V-12 you could imagine. There's an idea.!?

Ask joe-blow@rock.com JOE KNOWS...EVERYTHING

08-24-2003, 07:21 AM	#1 (permalink)
marcopolo I am the anomaly. Location: Motown	Help me talk my buddy out of buying a Miata. I have this mid-40sh buddy who has been talking about buying a Mazda Miata for a couple years now . He finally went to the dealership and took one for a test drive . He is 6ft tall , 220 pounds and I can only imagine that he looked like Mr. Potato Head while driving this little car . He already gets teased for being a geek ( he runs our tech support at work ) , I can only surmise that he'll get a bashing for driving this girly car . Help me convince him that this is going to be a 26 , 000 dollar mistake . Maybe he will listen to some alternative car ideas in the same price range . __________________ Those who can't laugh at themselves leave the job to others.

08-24-2003, 09:06 AM	#2 (permalink)
Peryn Junkie Location: San Diego, CA.	Personally, i would advise him the other way. Not too many cars out there that will tear it up on the autocross for that price range. Plus, the newer miatas look more like mini vipers than they do the old gay person car they used to. They have and aweful stigma about them, they they are by far one of hte best bang for the buck cars out there at that price range too. At least new... If he is looking for a little sports car, the s2000 is a way to go, at 10grand more for the invoice price over a miata. Miatas engine is extremely strong, and begging/built for boost too from what i hear. Now if for some reason its just the image of the miata you dont like, go for a 350z. at 2003, the special edition miata costs basically the same as a base model 350z. the Z is pimpin too. a badass car if ever there was one, though it doesn't tear up the autoX like a miata. weighs a good 800lbs more and has a 5ft wider turning radius. On the other hand, it has almost exactly twice the horsepower. Not quite the legroom, but headroom and overall passenger space is larger than the miata, which is good since you said hes a rather large man. And nobody will tease you for a 350z unless they have no idea what it really is. http://autos.msn.com/compare/choose....odel2=&pt=dual Use that, it is a great utility. Go check out some other models to see how they really compare. __________________ Dont cry kid, It's not your fault you suck.

08-24-2003, 09:36 AM	#4 (permalink)
mystic511 Tilted	I also could not in good conscience tell your friend not to buy a miata. I think it's a great car. And personally, only a confident man would be able to drive one. __________________ One day, I will become Virtually Infamous.

08-25-2003, 03:43 PM	#7 (permalink)
Sion Dumb all over...a little ugly on the side Location: In the room where the giant fire puffer works, and the torture never stops.	tell him to get a Boxter instead, much cooler car. __________________ He's the best, of course, of all the worst. Some wrong been done, he done it first. -fz I jus' want ta thank you...falettinme...be mice elf...agin...

08-25-2003, 09:30 PM	#11 (permalink)
Peryn Junkie Location: San Diego, CA.	almost there. one more..... RX-8 __________________ Dont cry kid, It's not your fault you suck.

08-24-2003, 09:20 AM	#3 (permalink)
rival Crazy Location: Pittsburgh, Pa	I have to agree with Peryn. The Miata isn't as gay as it used to be. I see older men driving them around my area all the time. Considering I normally see a woman in the passenger seat, I don't think they are gay. It's a quick, fun car to drive. If your friend likes it, there is no reason for him not to buy one. After all, he's buying the car for himself, not to make his co-workers happy. He's your buddy, stop worrying about his image and let him have some fun.

08-24-2003, 12:06 PM	#5 (permalink)
MaxX Upright	Heh as long he is not all legs. I love the car, but when i test drove one I could not use the clutch right cause I could not get my knee between the door and the steering wheel...

08-25-2003, 12:34 PM	#6 (permalink)
laconic1 Junkie	I'm 6'2" and it is impossible for me to drive a Miata because I just don't fit. I doubt anyone over 5'8" could comfortably drive one.

08-25-2003, 04:09 PM	#8 (permalink)
sixate Registered User Location: Somewhere in Ohio	Miata's are for chics...... A guy that's over 6' shouldn't even get inside of one of those rides. There are just some cars that I would never get in, and that is one of them. For another 5 grand the dude could be driving an S2000.

08-25-2003, 04:43 PM	#9 (permalink)
pagliachi2003 Upright	It's too bad miata's are chick cars, because they really are pretty cool. Decent power, great handling, and fun as hell to drive. If he doesn't mind the stigma then he should get one - it's a great car.

08-25-2003, 05:09 PM	#10 (permalink)
0001 Crazy Location: Canadeh!	RX7. That is all.

08-25-2003, 11:18 PM	#12 (permalink)
tinytim Tilted	My pops is 6' 4" and drives a miata all summer and all winter long in Alaska. Sounds like it should work for your buddy. And if he is a geek anyways who cares? Whats a geek in a camero? A white trash geek?

08-26-2003, 08:54 AM	#13 (permalink)
canucker Crazy	I'd hate to be seeing that all day long in a miata. __________________ Go hard or go home; Just don't go home hard.

08-26-2003, 09:01 AM	#14 (permalink)
johnnymysto Overreactor Location: South Ca'lina	See for yourself: http://cartalk.cars.com/About/Gay-Lesbian/gay-guy2.html Numero 5 on the list. __________________ "I'm disinclined to acquiesce to your request." - Capt. Barbossa

08-26-2003, 09:57 AM	#15 (permalink)
JStrider Poo-tee-weet? Location: The Woodlands, TX	well i know a guy who bought one as his midlife crisis car... hes a little of 6 foot... and after a while his back started hurting cuz he had to sit so far down to get in and out... __________________ -=JStrider=- ~Clatto Verata Nicto

08-26-2003, 10:08 AM	#16 (permalink)
pixelbend Too hot in the hot tub!	Is he tall? If so, you're not gonna be able to cram his ass in a Miata. __________________ But I don't want ANY Spam!

08-26-2003, 11:33 AM	#17 (permalink)
shakran Tone.	"Miata's are for chics" Funny. I was under the impression that Miatas were for people that know something about cars and can spot a good one when they see it.

08-26-2003, 12:51 PM	#18 (permalink)
marcopolo I am the anomaly. Location: Motown	After bringing in a bright red feather boa for my buddy to wear while driving his Miata he finally got the hint . He is now looking at RX-8's in the 30,000 dollar price range . Phew ! Another crisis avoided ! For those of you who gave me REASONS NOT TO BUY A MIATA . Thanks ! __________________ Those who can't laugh at themselves leave the job to others. Last edited by marcopolo; 08-26-2003 at 12:56 PM..

08-26-2003, 01:45 PM	#20 (permalink)
merkerguitars Buffering......... Location: Wisconsin...	They aren't really a car for tall people....I sat in my friends mom and the only way I could ever drive that thing is with the top down and i'm 6'1. Now if its a 400hp miata....that wouldn't be a chick car __________________ Donate now! Ask me How! Please use the search function it is your friend. Look at my mustang please feel free to comment! http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthread.php?t=26985

08-26-2003, 03:14 PM	#21 (permalink)
Peryn Junkie Location: San Diego, CA.	RX-8. hes my hero lol, thats if he can find a dealership with one though.... Down here, they sold their first allotment of them months before they even arrived... __________________ Dont cry kid, It's not your fault you suck.

08-30-2003, 08:50 AM	#22 (permalink)
ratbastid Darth Papa Location: Yonder	I'm just over six feet, currently 225 lbs (and dropping) and I fit like a <i>glove</i> into my Miata. And I LOVE it. Best, most fun car I've ever owned. Gay man's car? Maybe. Talk to me about that when I'm cruising the twisty backroads with a topless car and a topless wife.

08-30-2003, 03:00 PM	#24 (permalink)
rodgerd Psycho Location: Wellington, New Zealand	The MX-5 (Miata to you 8) is comfortable, has enough go to haul arse on twisty roads, has superb balance, and is generally a bloody good throwback to cars like the MG, 356 and the like. Your friend sounds like he cares more about driving than posing. Good on him. If you care about posing, don't go for rides with him.

08-31-2003, 01:31 PM	#28 (permalink)
bad30th Insane Location: [insert witty play on location field here]	Riiight. How many cars you worked on in your life? ok. Come talk to me when YOU know something instead of going off of others' anecdotal experiences. And i love how people discount the F-Body simply because they arent making them anymore. How many sports cars have been killed in the history of the automobile? Does that mean they arent worth mentioning because they dont make them anymore?? Thats is the most asenine logic i have ever heard. Last edited by bad30th; 08-31-2003 at 01:40 PM..

08-31-2003, 05:29 PM	#29 (permalink)
Peryn Junkie Location: San Diego, CA.	Very off topic, but would consider the newer Camaro SS's as close to sports cars as they came.... though still more muscle car than sports car. It causes a lot of controversy, but i wouldn't consider the Corvette a sports car either...not even the Z06's now that i think about it. They are definately good handling and have a lot of power, but they belong much more in the Grand Touring class than as a "sportscar" in the truest sense of the word. __________________ Dont cry kid, It's not your fault you suck.

09-01-2003, 08:33 AM	#31 (permalink)
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09-02-2003, 09:41 AM	#32 (permalink)
bad30th Insane Location: [insert witty play on location field here]	Ok. Apologies for my post...I was having a horible day...didnt mean to take it out on anyone. I was mistaken in my assumption that you discounted the Camaro as invalid just because they arent making them anymore. And yes, the V6 is a joke. There are a million different reasons that GM quit making the Camaro. There are a million different reasons that Mazda is still making the Miata. You cannot generalize and say that Miata > Camaro simply because they still produce the Miata. I do disagree with you about it not being a sports car. I am interested in your definition of a sports car. (By the way, the Camaro SS is nothing more than a lightly modded Z28 with nearly identical power levels). In my hunble opinion, a sports car is a mid-to-small sized car that compromises luxury, refinement, and even sometimes comfort for the sake of going fast, handling well, and looking good doing it

09-02-2003, 11:34 AM	#33 (permalink)
Peryn Junkie Location: San Diego, CA.	Well, back to the topic of that guy's buddy getting a miata.... have him take a look at Audi TT. My aunt just picked one up. A 2002 with <100 miles on it. basically a brand new car, though not the newest model year. She got with tax, liscence and registration for about 7 grand more than a new miata. Its got more power, turbo , AWD, convertible top as well, and is way more sophisticated looking and better engineered than Mazda. Twice the car at a minimal price increase. Its not wankel-powered but it will cost as much as the rx8 will after taxed and registration and all, and again, its AWD. I suggest looking into higher end cars that are new, but older model years. __________________ Dont cry kid, It's not your fault you suck.

09-02-2003, 03:18 PM	#34 (permalink)
Ramega Crazy	32V DOHC Factory Supercharged Six-speed Independent rear suspension 390hp Does that sound like a sports car to you? Hint: it's made by an American manufacturer. Stereotypes, while usually based on some sort of fact, can change.

09-03-2003, 01:18 PM	#35 (permalink)
JBX Unfair and Imbalanced Location: Upstate, NY	__________________ "Youth and Strength is no match for Age and Treachery"

09-03-2003, 04:12 PM	#36 (permalink)
pocon1 Banned	Where I autocross in DC, there are three or four turbo miatas. Those cars handle great. A Porsche Boxster, while a nice car, screams midlife crisis. What about a Toyota MR spyder? those are pretty sharp

09-04-2003, 02:10 PM	#38 (permalink)
castex Psycho Location: france	The Miata, or MX5 is pre-eminent in terms of practical enjoyment. Everything about it is locked-in, switched on. For the money, it's very, very difficult to find a finer driving experience.

09-04-2003, 02:30 PM	#39 (permalink)
Peryn Junkie Location: San Diego, CA.	Well, if all your are looking at is capability of the car and its longing to be on a track, then it is an awesome experience. When i think of a fine driving experience, i think of a BMW 8-series. i think of an slk500. i think of the Audi tt roadster quattro. The miata is absolutely an extreme drivers car for those that want to out handle most cars straight from the factory. and do it for <30k. Its great for a midlife crisis, but lacks any real sophistication and what i would consider a "fine driving experience". Its is capable and fun....not quite "fine"...yet. At least thats how i feel about it... __________________ Dont cry kid, It's not your fault you suck.

09-04-2003, 06:46 PM	#40 (permalink)
simplecyman Junkie Location: the back office	I've owned a new miata (totally kich-ass SPORTS car) 2 V-8 Camaros (1) a 5.0 HO, Z-28 (double-rompin kick ass SPORTY car), an RX-7 (TRIED to tear it up/couldn't), an L-82 Corvette, a couple of Z cars... I picked up a LOT of tail with that Miata, but it wasn't very practical, wasn't fast enough when I wanted it to be, scared a bunch of people on the cliff road, never had any trouble with it, and sold it with 20,000 miles and only lost 3 gs off sticker. It all depends on where the guy is in life and what HE wants. Right now, I've got the cleanest '95 XJS V-12 you could imagine. There's an idea.!? Ask joe-blow@rock.com JOE KNOWS...EVERYTHING __________________ See and believe.