catback

Boils down to you can't please everyone so you might as well please yourself. If you can afford a hummer and the gas and still want it despite the single digit gas mileage then go for it, it really isn't my place to try to stop you. Of course I can talk shit about you if I'm that type of angry person which I would be if I was an environmental gas hating earth lover.

Socially responsible is just another way to say slave since a socially responsible person aims to please others (the master).

Cynthetiq

well if I could have a hummer like this and toast the little run-a-bout that's holding up all the traffic... then I don't think I'd mind being branded an asshole. Of course this is an Orignal HumVee, not one of those bastardized H2/H3 things.

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LoganSnake

Why? Because my tastes are different than yours?

I see no problem with people driving Hummers. In fact, I'm a huge fan of the H1. The original military style. I don't like the looks of the H2 and especially H3, but if they can afford it and can afford the gas tab, more power to them.

The only thing I hate about Hummers is that they're severely underpowered.

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Boo

There is a Hummer in Anchorage that looks better than most. Black with flames. Nice looking rig. His music is too loud though.

I have seen Hummers out on the 4 wheel trails and they did fine. They crossed 3 feet deep rivers and deep mud.

I personally lose all respect for anyone that drives a Dodge Neon. That market solely caters to poor fucking morons with no credit or driving skills. I think they all upgraded from K-cars.

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Deltona Couple

LOL...this quote alone is enough reason to not even TRY to respond...

Personally, I don't care much for the H2 or H3. The H1 was quite the formidable truck, for those who actually have a use for them, as you stated I believe in post 37. I have 2 vehicles, a minivan for the family, and my Jeep for fun. The jeep is lifted, and has the obnoxiously big tires, getting about 15 MPG. However as I said, it is for fun, and doesn't see much road time.

So for someone who has the aformentioned Hummers, if they have a purpose for them, and use them as designed, then I say let them. Although I do agree that they waste a lot more fuel.


I hope that in saying this, allong with your other concerns for "hurting others" that you don't smoke?

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JustJess

Not that it has ANYTHING to do with ANYTHING, but no, I don't. I just don't like the smell. And if I did, I would be considerate of others. Just as I expect these idiotic H2 owners to be... except that 9 times out of 10, they're not. And yeah, there are so many here that I can use stats with numbers that high!

Useless punks.

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Deltona Couple

I agree that my question didn't have anything to do with the OP, however I was responding directly to the quote that you had made. Off the general subject? Yes. not having anything to do with anything? wrong, had to do with what you had said, directly in the quote mentioned.

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william

The Hummer, as originally designed is an excelent military tool. That was the original idea. Now, many people want to be a part of our military w/o actually joining. And it's all about image. Why else would any rational thinking person own one in SoFL?

zed wolf

I like Hummers. I like the size the styling and if you know how to drive you can do some pretty interesting stuff with them both on and off road. I will say they are a bit too wide for the off road driving I do in my Jeep cj5. It btw is lifted with big tires locked differentials front and rear gets about 5mpg pollutes like nobody's business and was my daily driver for 2 years putting 60 miles on the odometer every day. And that dose not include all the environmental destruction I wreaked in it driving it off road.
Any how, I will say most owners / drivers don't need HMMV's nor do they use them to there best potential. They do however get better gas mileage then my jeep and pollute far less. In all of there models.
I'm a car guy. I own allot and do allot of senseless and useless driving. Get this, during the summer I drive a little 4cylinder car around in circles on a clay race track with allot of other cars. As part of the rules we are required to remove the catalytic converters. Pretty cool huh?
My point is though. People will drive what is available and what they want to drive. they do however have to want to drive it. I would be perfectly willing and happy to drive an alternatively powered car if it were affordable and convenient. right now the only autos that fit into that category for me are powered by petrol.
As for wasting petrol, what makes it wasting? If I buy it I can do whatever I want to with it. What makes it yours or anyone else's any more then mine? if you want to keep people from wasting your petrol then go buy more so no one else can. The taxes I pay by buying a car and the fuel to operate it are allot of what builds and maintain the roads in this country. If I buy more fuel then you shouldn't I get a lane of travel a bit wider then yours? of course not but you do get a better road because I am providing 5 times as much tax dollars to the fund. So by that thought If I want do drive a really big gas hog and take up what you think is too much space shouldn't I think I am entitled to that?
In conclusion, I like hummers. I don't mind bad fuel economy. I am not opposed to alternative fuels but I cant afford to purchase a brand new car just to make someone else happy. If I were given one for free, I'd drive the hell out of it but for now, I'll stick with my older petrol powered cars and trucks. Of witch I own 9 right now, the oldest is a 1959 Buick and the newest is a 1991 exploder

Ch'i

The original Hummer was great, but the new Hummer is an abominable, morbidly ugly waste.

Boo

I always wondered if anyone has done the math on this:

How many gallons of fuel does a band/sports team use to get from origin to destination? How much pollution does it create compared to a months extra fuel usage of all the hummers in the US? Is it OK to demean a persons legal choice of ride because of "excessive fuel use/pollution" when a single concert/game may use more fuel on takeoff than their choice uses in a year? Will some bored intelligent person please explain this with real numbers?

Lets assume:
49ers and Dolphins. Air travel to and from.
VS
20,000 Hummers traveling 12,000 miles per year @ 10 MPG over the average 20MPG commuter.

How many football games does it take to equal the ADDITIONAL fuel used by the hummers?

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Ilow

how much fossil fuel did it take to generate the electricy to run your computer so that you could bring us this? maybe you are joking, but this does not seemto make much sense to me...

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Bossnass

For five days last summer I drove an H2. A terribly ugly "SUT" with the tiny little truck box. It was indeed terribly ugly. It vibrated at about 110km on the highway, but that was a function of the tires more than anything else.

I loved every minute of it.

I was a foreman for a heavy earthworks company; a dirty, offroading required trade. I had previously killed my chevy 1/2 tonne when I managed to shear the transfer case. There were several days before the new F-150 fleet came in, and I needed to be on-site for all of those days. The owner of the company picked me up at my dead truck and took me to a rental location, and the only trucks/suvs they had were the H2 SUT and a Lincoln.

The H2 performed wonderfully. While I've never driven a suped-up jeep, I've spent many hours on sites with my truck in 4x4. At the bottom end, on rough terrain, the H2 was much better (more capable, smoother, etc) than pickups from ford, gmc/chevy, nissan, and debatably toyota. It was a little weak getting up to highway speed, but I only needed to do that twice a day or so.

Driving around site (offroad) and to work (city/highway) I managed about 12 mpg, from this '04 H2. The '03 1500 managed about 17, the '06 F150 came in about 14. All terrible, but the H2 wasn't that much worse than the pickup.

For 4-6 months out the year, I work one of the few jobs in the world that legitimately needs a 4x4 vehicle. I don't know how well it would perform trying to climb over boulders, but I took it through sandpits, across broken ground, ontop of topsoil and gravel stockpiles, up and down 25+ degree slopes and approaces, across slick wet greasy clay. In all cases, it performed better than pickups I've driven. Lots of people say that 'it is a terrible off road vehicle', but I really don't think it is.

I also needed to attend a bid opening one afternoon, and rather enjoyed cruising up in my H2; although I think I like parking muddy pickups beside cadilacs/bmws that often attend, there is something to be said about pulling up in a semi-luxury vehcile.

The bottom line is that I don't hate Hummers. Perhaps they are overpriced, but they deserve more credit than they are given. I wouldn't pay to drive one. However, most people/businesses could get by with a smart car/insight/prius/other hybrid. Hating the hummer while driving something with less than 30mpg, that is wider/longer than a civic is a "case of the pot hating the kettle".

Incidently, my wife and I share a civic and a jetta tdi.

Esoteric

I hate the H2 and H3, but I've ALWAYS loved the H1. I've wanted one from the moment I laid eyes on that sexy thing, unfortunately I doubt I'll ever get one. I'm happy with my Corolla anyways.

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Cynthetiq

hmmm.... i dunno, don't seem all that safe as people would think...driver's cage is completely crumpled and no space for the person at all.
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Plaid13

I personaly hate the H2 and H3 they take all the bad stuff of the orignal hummer and dont have any of the good stuff.

However... i love the orginal hummers just because of what they are. Pure functional no fluff everything has a purpose. They are very good offroad right down to being able to drive along the bottom of a pond if they have to just as long as the air intake/exhaust is above water and thats one of the highest things on the truck. basicly you would have trouble beathing before your truck did. I like that. The orginal hummer is very safe just because of its size and frame design. almost impossable to roll over and its stronger then everything but semis and busses on the road. They have tons of room inside and they are very orginal looking. None of that rounded bubble look that almost everything on the road has now. They have a ton of ground clearance so they wont get high centered over much of anything that you would run into in normal offroading. Sure they dont have alot of power and they arnt very fast but... it can go 75mph and thats as fast as anyone should really go anyway even on the highway. and its not ment to be a sports car so it dosnt need that much power. Basicly I like it because its exactly what its supposed to be. Kinda like the orginal jeeps butt ugly but very functional. I like it for how pure it is.

The H2 and H3 are just yuppie junk.

My dream vehicle would be a H1 that was converted into a hybred so it could be Good on gas without lacking the power that it needs to move.

fastom

Hey where's the rest of that silly Hummer? It didn't go UNDER the school bus did it?

I hate 'em too, though the "real" Hummer (big ugly "H1" type) is fairly decent off road.. and least on the trails it could fit. But that's a moot point since nobody paying that much would likely leave the pavement.
The H2 and H3 are just the stupidest things ever invented. All the ugliness without any redeeming virtues. They are no better off road than the soccer mom SUV's they are based on.

If somebody really wanted to go off road they could buy a whole warehouse full of old Jeeps, Land cruisers, early Broncos and Scouts for that money.

JustJess

That's the point - the H1 wasn't purchased by much of anyone other than people using it for off-roading and rugged terrain. That makes sense. But these yuppies (exactly the people I'm complaining about!!) in their H2s and H3s need slapping. They're wasteful for no purpose other than vanity. Even sports cars at least look nice and get better mileage than that.

And why do I care if they're wasting gas? Many keep pointing out that they're buying the gas, so they should use it as they wish and it doesn't affect me. Uhhhh.... ever hear of supply and demand? Using more gas than necessary drives up the demand which drives up my prices. And I won't even try to discuss the idea of gas conservation/lack of supply issues here.

It's not just about the waste of gas, people. It's the type of personality you typically find at the wheel of an H2/H3. It's the utter ridiculousness of driving something that huge in QUEENS, not the mountains, and driving it poorly and rudely. It's the idea that our society likes bigger/more flashy as values and it makes me roll my eyes and wish for a rock to throw. It's that image matters more than practicality and the image they're choosing sucks IN MY OPINION. I'm allowed to think Hummers suck just as much as y'all are allowed to think they're cool.

And I think Hummers suck. Yep. That's my well-reasoned, well-thought-out argument. Grand, ain't it?

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