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cyrnel · 12-17-2004, 07:49 AM

This is sick to the nth degree, but at the same time surreal. I'm having a tough time coming to grips with the idea that anyone could do this.

Makes me think of season 1 Millenium episodes.

What in the hell is going on? Would someone please tell me this kind of thing has always happened, that this is just our instant gratification news distribution in action? Damn, this brings tears to my eyes.

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"Search On for Fetus Cut From Mom's Womb
Friday, December 17, 2004

SKIDMORE, Mo. — Police were trying to find an infant they believe could still be alive after being cut from the womb of its mother, slain in her northwest Missouri home Thursday afternoon.

The Nodaway County Sheriff's Department issued an Amber Alert (search) about 12:30 a.m. for the child, believed to be female. The alert said police were looking for a suspect who may have blond hair who possibly was driving a red vehicle. The sheriff's department said officials did not know if the person they were looking for was a man or woman.

"I believe there is a live 8-month-old fetus out there we need to find," Sheriff Bill Espey said.

The child's mother, Bobbi Jo Stinnett, 23, was eight months pregnant. Her mother found her inside her home and called police at 3:38 p.m. Paramedics tried to revive the young woman, who was pronouced dead later at St. Francis Hospital in Maryville.

"Someone was wanting a baby awful bad," Espey said.
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,141836,00.html

Guthumba · 12-17-2004, 08:00 AM

That is beyond twisted...

gh0ti · 12-17-2004, 08:53 AM

I wish I didnt read this before lunch. twisted, f'n twisted.

rickscales · 12-17-2004, 11:27 AM

The reason they believe the suspect to have blonde hair is because the dead woman's body had blonde hair in her hands, as if she had been ripping it out of somebody's head. I'd like to see if the DNA test on the hair shows that it's a family member of hers.

I'd also like to see if the husband paid somebody to do it.

Stompy · 12-17-2004, 11:57 AM

I enjoy the little commentary that people feel they should have to give: "Someone was wanting a baby awful bad,"

HAR HAR HAR.

Interesting story though!

Guthumba · 12-17-2004, 02:11 PM

In the same, disturbing vein:

MEXICO CITY (Reuters) - A Mexican man killed his lover in a drunken, drugged fight then cooked the man's body in tomato and onion sauce and ate it over three days.

Police found Gumaro de Dios Arias grilling rotting human flesh for his breakfast, including part of a heart, when they raided a shack he lived in near the Caribbean beach resort of Playa del Carmen, a police chief said on Wednesday.

"He was preparing stews. There was a grill where he was cooking part of the heart and bits he had cut off the body. It was terrible, terrible," said local police chief Martin Estrada, who was among a dozen police who raided the shack.

Arias told police the victim, a young man, arrived at his cardboard hut in a wasteland area with a mutual friend who then left the two of them drinking and taking drugs.

The pair had sex and afterward a fight broke out during which he killed the man with blows to the head, police said.

Police arrested Arias, 25, on Tuesday after a tip off.

"They said there was a person eating a person," Estrada said.

"We found him lying on a folding bed and to one side was the corpse which had been torn apart and which it seems he had been eating for three days," he told Reuters.

The corpse, which had its back ripped open and its innards pulled out, was missing various parts, like a thigh, he said.

Maybe with a Chianti and some Farva beans?

Grancey · 12-17-2004, 05:17 PM

I just read the authorities believe that they have recovered the infant, and the doctors believe that she should be okay. What is wrong is how long it took for the Amber Alert to be issued. Something about not having the weight, eye color, proper description, etc. Now, that is screwy. Red tape be damned, the Amber Alert should have been issued immediately..........not 9 hours later.

cyrnel · 12-17-2004, 05:28 PM

After some sleep and time to rationalize... It is a small community. There are probably all kinds of important details unknown and untold. Huge family feud, inbreeding, etc. Still, it just makes me shake my head in disbelief that someone could get it in their heart to go through with this. Argh.

godxzilla · 12-17-2004, 11:02 PM

I heard about this earlier today and I was stunned. I have a wife that is prego and I just cant imagine! Sick people out there

moonstrucksoul · 12-17-2004, 11:47 PM

I heard about this in the radio, once again, I am ashamed to live on this planet

ShaniFaye · 12-18-2004, 07:02 AM

The baby has been found

Quote:

Baby found alive; woman arrested

Saturday, December 18, 2004 Posted: 8:07 AM EST (1307 GMT)

(CNN) -- Authorities late Friday said a Kansas woman who had a miscarriage earlier this year confessed to strangling a pregnant Missouri woman in her home and then cutting the baby from her womb -- a crime the local sheriff described as the most gruesome he had ever seen.

Lisa Montgomery, 36, of Melvern, Kansas, was arrested and charged in the kidnapping of the child "resulting in the death of the infant's mother" Bobbie Jo Stinnett, 23, according to an FBI affidavit filed late Friday.

If convicted, Montgomery could face a maximum of life in prison or the death penalty, and a maximum $250,000 fine.

The infant girl has been recovered and was in good condition at Stormont-Vail Regional Medical Center in Topeka.

The girl's father was reunited with her Friday evening, authorities said. She was the couple's first child.

"The baby is fine. The baby is doing great," U.S. Attorney Todd Graves said.

Stinnett was found dead in a pool of blood in her home Thursday afternoon by her mother, who called 911 saying it looked "as though her daughter's stomach had exploded," according to the affidavit.

Crime scene investigators later determined her womb had been cut laterally, the baby removed and the umbilical cord cut, the affidavit said.

"The victim was found with blond hair clenched in her hands," the affidavit says.
Town in shock

The crime shocked Skidmore, a town of about 300 people, with some residents shuttering their doors, saying they no longer felt safe.

"It's very hard for me to accept this," Nodaway County Sheriff Ben Espey told reporters. "Nobody here could ever perceive this taking place -- to have a fetus taken out of someone's womb and then doing an Amber Alert to try to find a child."

The affidavit paints a picture of deceit and premeditation on the part of Montgomery.

It alleges that the woman, using a fictitious name, contacted Stinnett on Wednesday through an Internet chat room about looking at rat terriers the Stinnetts sold over the Internet.

The two agreed to meet Thursday at Stinnett's home. Then, on Thursday afternoon, a neighbor reported seeing a dirty, red pinkish, two-door vehicle -- most likely an import -- outside the Stinnett home.

With a search under way on the ground, computer investigators began talking with Internet providers and were able to trace the fictitious e-mailer to the Montgomery's home, more than 130 miles away.

Authorities immediately began surveillance of the home and saw Montgomery Friday with a "newborn female infant," according to the affidavit.

They also noticed a vehicle matching the description of the one seen outside the Stinnett's home. It alleges that the suspect's husband, Kevin, told authorities his wife called him shortly after he arrived home from work Thursday, around 5:15 p.m., saying she had gone shopping in Topeka, went into labor and had a baby.

The husband and the couple's two high-school age children drove to Topeka and met Montgomery in the parking lot of a Long John Silver's restaurant. He, his wife and the child drove home in his pickup truck, and the older children drove his wife's car, a red Toyota Corolla, the affidavit alleges.

Montgomery told her husband the baby was born at a women's clinic in Topeka, but authorities said a subsequent check there revealed no babies were born there Thursday.

Once in custody, the affidavit alleges, Montgomery "confessed to having strangled Stinnett and removing the fetus. Lisa Montgomery further admitted the baby she had was Stinnett's baby and that she had lied to her husband about giving birth to a child."

Espey and Graves said Montgomery had a miscarriage at some point this year, although they would not say how recently it occurred.

Espey told CNN the pregnancy was six months along when the child was lost. Of the possible motive in this case, Espey said, "I think she was probably going to take it because she had lost one through a miscarriage at about six months."

Authorities expressed great relief that the child was recovered alive, and attributed that success to the Amber Alert system.

Authorities learned of the Internet chat room where Montgomery allegedly made contact with Stinnett from a tipster in North Carolina. "We may have not ever recovered this little baby if the Amber Alert system was not put into place," Espey told reporters. "I'm overwhelmed with the fact that we're going to be able to get this baby back."

Sgt. Sheldon Lyon, a spokesman with the Missouri State Highway Patrol, said, "This is a great day for law enforcement in northwest Missouri."

The Internet chat room "Ratter Chatter," a haven for rat terrier lovers in cyberspace, was overwhelmed with responses from its users, many of whom indicated they knew both the victim and suspect in the case.

"I cannot believe how sorrowful I am. They have taken Lisa into custody. I don't know what is worse -- the horrible crime -- or the possibility that it might be Lisa. Someone just shoot me," wrote one user by the name of Jill.

Another user named Teresa wrote, "I am sitting here in shock, not knowing how to break this. I just received a phone call from a reporter in Missouri saying that Bobbie was killed today and her fetus stolen! I am absolutely horrified!"

Skidmore was the subject of intense media attention in 1981, when town bully Ken Rex McElroy was shot to death in his pickup on the main street in front of more than 40 witnesses. Despite a lengthy investigation, none of the witnesses would identify the killer.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/12/18/fet...ive/index.html

Ganguro · 12-19-2004, 06:19 AM

They just caught the woman who did it. Well they think she did it; she confessed to strangling the victem, and was showing the baby off to others in her town as her own. Needless to say, she looks craaazy. They caught her by tracking her email or something, but I dont know the full story yet. Normally i'm numb/indifferent to this kind of thing, but this really disturbs me.

Jonsgirl · 12-19-2004, 08:43 AM

They caught her through the terrier message board/chat room she was in. Local authorities got a tip from another poster from that board in N. Carolina. The got her address through the ISP.
That's also how she got in touch with the victim. The victim had pics of herself up on the boards, so Ms. Crazy-lady (who had a misscarriage and was still telling her family she was pregnant) knew she was pregnant. She contacted the victim, saying she wanted to buy a terrier. They agreed to meet at the victims house....which they did :/

Story from CNN.com:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/12/19/mi...tus/index.html

Faygo · 12-19-2004, 04:04 PM

Holy crap that's awful.

Now that she is caught I wonder if she's going to go for the insanity defense.

duck0987 · 12-19-2004, 11:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Faygo

Holy crap that's awful.

Now that she is caught I wonder if she's going to go for the insanity defense.

I don't think there is going to be any question that she is going to use the insanity defense. The problem with this is going to be proving that despite the fact she did study at least to some degree how to perform a C-section (this proves premeditation) she was not aware of what the consequences of her actions where going to be. This will be a very difficult defense to make, but honesty unless she pleads guilty I don't see what other option she has, lest she can find a scapegoat.

shaggs_manoa · 12-20-2004, 02:03 AM

Having known people who have both had mis-carriages and lost babies shortly after birth I don't think the insanity plea is hard to prove. For my friends loosing a baby was by far the most tramatic thing that has ever happened to them. Granted, they didn't go kill a lady and carve her up to steal her child but one girl was damn near catatonic (sp?) for almost a month. tried to google for number of miscarriages last year and came up short but it can't be unreasonable for one or two every couple of years to completely flip out.

Ishmal · 12-20-2004, 05:19 PM

i just heard sumthing on the radio about the lawyers goin to enter a insainity plea!!!

i didn't hear the full story...

can anyone else confirm this????

braindamage351 · 12-22-2004, 06:33 PM

Well, it can't be hard to prove she's nuts.

12-17-2004, 07:49 AM	#1 (permalink)
cyrnel Adequate Location: In my angry-dome.	Fetus theft? WITF? This is sick to the nth degree, but at the same time surreal. I'm having a tough time coming to grips with the idea that anyone could do this. Makes me think of season 1 Millenium episodes. What in the hell is going on? Would someone please tell me this kind of thing has always happened, that this is just our instant gratification news distribution in action? Damn, this brings tears to my eyes. ------ "Search On for Fetus Cut From Mom's Womb Friday, December 17, 2004 SKIDMORE, Mo. — Police were trying to find an infant they believe could still be alive after being cut from the womb of its mother, slain in her northwest Missouri home Thursday afternoon. The Nodaway County Sheriff's Department issued an Amber Alert (search) about 12:30 a.m. for the child, believed to be female. The alert said police were looking for a suspect who may have blond hair who possibly was driving a red vehicle. The sheriff's department said officials did not know if the person they were looking for was a man or woman. "I believe there is a live 8-month-old fetus out there we need to find," Sheriff Bill Espey said. The child's mother, Bobbi Jo Stinnett, 23, was eight months pregnant. Her mother found her inside her home and called police at 3:38 p.m. Paramedics tried to revive the young woman, who was pronouced dead later at St. Francis Hospital in Maryville. "Someone was wanting a baby awful bad," Espey said. ..." http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,141836,00.html

12-17-2004, 08:53 AM	#3 (permalink)
gh0ti Crazy	I wish I didnt read this before lunch. twisted, f'n twisted. __________________ I ain't often right but I've never been wrong It seldom turns out the way it does in the song Once in a while you get shown the light In the strangest of places if you look at it right

12-17-2004, 11:57 AM	#5 (permalink)
Stompy Banned from being Banned Location: Donkey	I enjoy the little commentary that people feel they should have to give: "Someone was wanting a baby awful bad," HAR HAR HAR. Interesting story though! __________________ I love lamp.

12-17-2004, 05:17 PM	#7 (permalink)
Grancey Life's short, gotta hurry... Location: land of pit vipers	I just read the authorities believe that they have recovered the infant, and the doctors believe that she should be okay. What is wrong is how long it took for the Amber Alert to be issued. Something about not having the weight, eye color, proper description, etc. Now, that is screwy. Red tape be damned, the Amber Alert should have been issued immediately..........not 9 hours later. __________________ Quiet, mild-mannered souls might just turn out to be roaring lions of two-fisted cool.

12-17-2004, 11:02 PM	#9 (permalink)
godxzilla Crazy Location: Columbus, OH	I heard about this earlier today and I was stunned. I have a wife that is prego and I just cant imagine! Sick people out there __________________ Mike

12-17-2004, 08:00 AM	#2 (permalink)
Guthumba Tilted Location: Columbia, SC	That is beyond twisted...

12-17-2004, 11:27 AM	#4 (permalink)
rickscales Upright Location: Little Rock	The reason they believe the suspect to have blonde hair is because the dead woman's body had blonde hair in her hands, as if she had been ripping it out of somebody's head. I'd like to see if the DNA test on the hair shows that it's a family member of hers. I'd also like to see if the husband paid somebody to do it.

12-17-2004, 02:11 PM	#6 (permalink)
Guthumba Tilted Location: Columbia, SC	In the same, disturbing vein: MEXICO CITY (Reuters) - A Mexican man killed his lover in a drunken, drugged fight then cooked the man's body in tomato and onion sauce and ate it over three days. Police found Gumaro de Dios Arias grilling rotting human flesh for his breakfast, including part of a heart, when they raided a shack he lived in near the Caribbean beach resort of Playa del Carmen, a police chief said on Wednesday. "He was preparing stews. There was a grill where he was cooking part of the heart and bits he had cut off the body. It was terrible, terrible," said local police chief Martin Estrada, who was among a dozen police who raided the shack. Arias told police the victim, a young man, arrived at his cardboard hut in a wasteland area with a mutual friend who then left the two of them drinking and taking drugs. The pair had sex and afterward a fight broke out during which he killed the man with blows to the head, police said. Police arrested Arias, 25, on Tuesday after a tip off. "They said there was a person eating a person," Estrada said. "We found him lying on a folding bed and to one side was the corpse which had been torn apart and which it seems he had been eating for three days," he told Reuters. The corpse, which had its back ripped open and its innards pulled out, was missing various parts, like a thigh, he said. Maybe with a Chianti and some Farva beans?

12-17-2004, 05:28 PM	#8 (permalink)
cyrnel Adequate Location: In my angry-dome.	After some sleep and time to rationalize... It is a small community. There are probably all kinds of important details unknown and untold. Huge family feud, inbreeding, etc. Still, it just makes me shake my head in disbelief that someone could get it in their heart to go through with this. Argh.

12-17-2004, 11:47 PM	#10 (permalink)
moonstrucksoul hovering in the distance Location: the land of milk and honey	I heard about this in the radio, once again, I am ashamed to live on this planet __________________ no signature required

12-19-2004, 06:19 AM	#12 (permalink)
Ganguro Army of Me	They just caught the woman who did it. Well they think she did it; she confessed to strangling the victem, and was showing the baby off to others in her town as her own. Needless to say, she looks craaazy. They caught her by tracking her email or something, but I dont know the full story yet. Normally i'm numb/indifferent to this kind of thing, but this really disturbs me.

12-19-2004, 08:43 AM	#13 (permalink)
Jonsgirl Semi-Atomic Location: Home.	They caught her through the terrier message board/chat room she was in. Local authorities got a tip from another poster from that board in N. Carolina. The got her address through the ISP. That's also how she got in touch with the victim. The victim had pics of herself up on the boards, so Ms. Crazy-lady (who had a misscarriage and was still telling her family she was pregnant) knew she was pregnant. She contacted the victim, saying she wanted to buy a terrier. They agreed to meet at the victims house....which they did :/ Story from CNN.com: http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/12/19/mi...tus/index.html __________________ Someday, someone will best me. But it won't be today, and it won't be you.

12-19-2004, 04:04 PM	#14 (permalink)
Faygo Banned	Holy crap that's awful. Now that she is caught I wonder if she's going to go for the insanity defense.

12-20-2004, 02:03 AM	#16 (permalink)
shaggs_manoa Upright Location: Well I go to skool in Manoa (in Hawaii) but I haven't seen my house in weeks.	Having known people who have both had mis-carriages and lost babies shortly after birth I don't think the insanity plea is hard to prove. For my friends loosing a baby was by far the most tramatic thing that has ever happened to them. Granted, they didn't go kill a lady and carve her up to steal her child but one girl was damn near catatonic (sp?) for almost a month. tried to google for number of miscarriages last year and came up short but it can't be unreasonable for one or two every couple of years to completely flip out. __________________ Rookie for life becuase I only post in tilted nonsense!

12-20-2004, 05:19 PM	#17 (permalink)
Ishmal Wicked Clown Location: House Of Horrors	i just heard sumthing on the radio about the lawyers goin to enter a insainity plea!!! i didn't hear the full story... can anyone else confirm this???? __________________ "Despite the high cost of living, it remains popular."

12-22-2004, 06:33 PM	#18 (permalink)
braindamage351 Insane	Well, it can't be hard to prove she's nuts.