Cynthetiq

Right that's why when I go to Virgin Megastores to purchase things I get such EXCELLENT customer service and will never purchase anything ever again from one of those stores. (There's one across from my office here in Times Square and I frequent it alot even though I make no purchases from there.)

I think you need to come out from behind the monitor and books and see what it's really like in the real world. TheFez is right on about good workers banding together...

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Pip

My two tips for finding good young workers:
1. Ask why they need/want the job. If they are saving up for something big or just moved out and need to eat and pay the bills chances are they are more motivated to do a good job.
2. Know the parent/s. First of all you can get a good idea how the child is like by looking at the parents, and it will be like having two extra co-managers because the parents don't want to look like they raised a useless kid. Hopefully.

There are lots of good teenagers out there, I hope you find some.

Rodney

That tip about getting good young workers to recommend others is good. In my fast food days, years ago, if somebody good recommended their friends, brothers, or sisters for an opening, management usually hired them. And they were generally pretty good, too.

Obtuse

I've always been a good worker, and I always will be. Ya know why? Because that's what I sign up for every time I accept a job. When someone takes a job he/she takes on a responsibility. That is all the reason in the world to do a good job; because by taking the job you implied that you would work hard. I don't need Richard Branson or anyone else to motivate me and neither should anyone else. This attitude of "give me a reason to do a good job" is bullshit. Here's a tip, motivate yourself.

Make the job fun? Mule fritters (thanks Col. Potter)!!!!

Yeah, I've studied management, and yes it is true that a fun, enjoyable workplace will result in more productive employees. However, that doesn't mean it's okay to be a slacker just because work isn't fun.

Here's how it works. You take a job. You work hard. End of story. If you don't like the job, put in your notice and find a new one. In the meantime, live up to your responsibilities.

Incidently, in my experience, these are lessons that people of all ages would do well to learn.

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slimshaydee

You tell me this though...would you be inclined to work harder in a job that was interesting, challenging and fun? Or would you be inclined to work harder in a job that was shitty, boring and mundane? I guarentee you would get more productivity in the first case.

Obtuse

Yes, if a job is interesting, challenging and fun, my employer will get that 110% he's looking for. But if the job is shitty, boring and mundane, he is still going to get 100% from me. Why? Because it's my job. As I said in my last post, a crappy job does not give you license to be a slacker.

Now I realize not everyone has the same attitude about work that I do, but that is precisely the problem some of us are pointing out. Lack of work ethic. Lack of responsibility. Lack of respect.

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william

Don't be so quick to blame all teenagers. I work retail, and many of ours are college kids. Some are better than others, but so are the older workers. What I do is a lot more involved than others, w/no slack time, but I like it. I disagree w/the shitty pay/job argument - he/she agreed to do the job for the money paid.
The biggest problems I see are twofold: either the new employee isn't clear about his/her job, or the managers have poor ethics. Before you jump to give the walking papers, talk w/him/her and make sure they understand what they are supposed to do. It should have been clear at the hiring, but sometimes more clarification is necessary.
Ethics can be a harder rock to bust. Ethics work from the top down. Nothing burns me more than to see a manager spending all day in the office on the phone when they should be walking the floor or stockroom to make sure people are doing their jobs. Too many managers want the pay, they just don't want to have to actually manager people.

ShaniFaye

I want to know why the heck I should expect my workplace to be FUN? The idea that my employeer should make my enviornment fun is completely ridiculous

If you think your job is boring and mundane then get another one....but dont expect the person who PAYS YOU TO DO YOUR JOB to babysit you and make your day like a day field trip at an amusement park.

I get up every morning to go to work.....I get up if I went to bed to late (my fault not my employers) I get up if im not "feeling well" (note that I dont mean really really sick), I go in if the weather is bad (and some people should understand how much I HATE driving in Atlanta traffic in the rain).

Why do I do this? Because I have chosen to have a job and ALL the responsibility that goes along with it and I understand that the person that hired me showed faith in my abilities and my work ethic and I value that faith too much to be a slacker.

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I was a very responsible teenage worker. Then there were an equal number who were stoned and stole things. That was 10 years ago.

Teenagers don't change....you have the good and the bad.....just like with us adults

theFez

it really depends on the environment. when i was managing restaurants i tried to make it fun for the employees. why? because fun and good attitudes are infectous. if my kitchen was having fun and my servers were having fun then my customers were usually having fun.

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slimshaydee

Have fun working in your sweatshop with shitty conditions for minimal pay.

ShaniFaye

You have no idea what kind of job I have, what the conditions are, or what kind of pay I make....but I can tell you its not a sweatshop with shitty conditions or minimal pay

I guess your responses to everyone shows the difference in the generations....you were born the year I started working as a teenager....and I had the same ethics now as I did then....my parents taught me what a work ethic was....more parents need to do the same with kids today

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bikerbob

As far as having a job goes, I'm not sure a lot of teenagers (the much maligned 17-20 group) or many other people understand the dynamics involved. This is why entry level jobs exist. More so than paying a wage, these type of jobs pay in experience. The experience of being on time, doing a job, responsibility, and accountability when one of these is remiss. This is the foundation of the mysterious "work ethic" spoke about by the ancients. In my humble estimation, this is one of the most important lessons you can learn. As a manager, I never expected superhuman performances out of the people (teen or otherwise) who made near minimum wage. I did however expect them to complete the tasks expected of them. I thought that to be a fair deal. Some of them did not. A lot of people have an entitlement mentality at work, as if the paycheck is the reward for their mere presence. Actual work entails some sort of surcharge. I got sucked into my own little rant here it seems. I will give some advice though. Part of the process of getting a better job entails not being shitty at the more menial ones. Poor working habits will bog you down forever.

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Cynthetiq

I have worked in something close to a sweatshop. I did work for shitty wages. I did it for 3 years and am a better person for doing it. Why? Because it taught me to VALUE all the things that I have now. I didn't have sick days. If I didn't punch in I didn't get paid. If I got hung over and didn't come into work or came in an hour late, I didn't get paid for that hour. If I took time off to go to the doctor, I didn't get paid. When I got in a motorcycle accident I was out for 2 weeks. I didn't get paid. Top it off, I also didn't have health insuranace.

So what did I do about it? I made sure that I had skills that would get me a better job and I applied for better jobs and eventually worked my way up. Let me repeat that, WORKED MY WAY UP.

Understand this too, I had my own consultant company making good money working 3 days a week having fun. Fun all the time. I partied every day and waterskied 3 times a week.

I left that because I knew I had a better opportunity in NYC, so I moved from LA to NYC to take a new job. That didn't pan out and I was left with ZERO, so I took the only job that would hire me immediately which happened to pay me only $4.35/hour.

In that company I also worked my way up. I became an assistant supervisor and then an assistant manager. Pay didn't increase all that much but it was more than $4.35/hour.

Here at MTV we have alot of fun working here. People think that's it's FUN all the time. It's not. Sometimes there's hard work that needs to be done. If we had fun all the time we'd never have anything on the 185 channels we have around the world.

There's time for fun and there's time for work. That's the trade off. I have fun at work even when it's hard because I like hard work. I like challenges. If I had fun at work, how would I ever have fun after work?

If you think that it's supposed to be fun all the time then I guess you don't realize that GOOD comes with BAD.

so I guess you'll just job hop from one to another... and continue to stay in the lower tiers of the workforce. I however will continue to put my head down and work.

now that I've said what I've said, I'm going to put you on ignore because well, considering your posts in this thread, you've got little to no experience in the real world, nor do you have any real experience to bring to the discussion, just theory and assumption.

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slimshaydee

Of course it isn't meant to be fun all the time. After all work is work. But every now and then a workplace should do something a lil fun just to lighten the stress and as a reward for all their hard work.

slimshaydee

So you would put me on ignore just because I don't agree with you? Maturity at its best.

ShaniFaye

and here I thought my paycheck was what I got for my hardwork........silly me.....I guess I should just go into work tomorrow and demand my fun or sit and pout if I dont get it

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theFez

plain and simple, workers who are having fun are more productive and more likely to stick around instead of jumping ship at the first job offer that pays a nickel more. turnover costs. if a company can make the job fun they should try to do it.

not for the employees benefit, for the benefit of the business.

the company i work for does nothing to make the job fun, and they suffer from nearly 90% annual turnover. so i try to make it as fun as possible for me. I try to be upbeat, joking around with people, trying to compete to get tasks done quickly, things like that.

of course my favorite part is how it annoys the 'stick-in-the-mud' types who think work should be no fun!!

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Obtuse

I think we all got that, slim, and I believe we all agree with you. My point, and the one that I believe others are trying to make, is this: if you have a job where management doesn't realize that a little fun is important and worthwhile, that doesn't give you the right to give your duties any less than your full effort.

As a matter of fact, whether you realize it or not, you've made my point in the above quote. Notice the end of your statement, "...as a reward for all their hard work." That implies that the hard work comes first, then the reward. Not the other way around. This thread isn't about the hard workers out there who have shitty bosses. It's about the shitty workers who don't deserve a reward.

Furthermore, don't place the responsibility of making the workplace fun solely on the shoulders of management. It is the entire staff that is responsible for workplace atmosphere. How can you expect your boss to make the workplace enjoyable when he has workers who don't do their jobs.

If the workers don't work, production and efficiency suffer. Then your boss's superiors rip him a new asshole. You think your boss is going to come out of his office after getting reamed and make sure you are having fun? Hell no! He's gonna come rip you a new asshole. It's circular.

On the other hand, if you work hard, your boss is happy, his boss is happy, and I bet that will result in you being happy as well. This is also circular.

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Xenomorph

I had a carrot manager and a stick manager at the same job one of my high school summers. The job was set up so that there would be one manager and one assistant on duty so I got to see a lot of managing tactics on the ground level, mano e mano. Both systems had their merits, but in a work environment where I was already motivated (a video game store) I was a much better worker under the guy who would throw me a bone from time to time.

The carrot guy, the store manager would go to one of the demo machines and challenge me to a game whenever we didn't have any customers, which was probably half the time if not more. We shucked about games like two random friends in any other setting. He didn't really care if I read a game magazine when the shelves were straight, the store was clean, and nobody was around. He'd call me on my mistakes if I got caught up in a hurry and forgot to give someone their receipt or didn't get their signature on a credit card transaction, but other than that, he didn't really order me around at all. He'd basically tell me what needed to get done at the beginning of the shift and then work side-by-side with me rather than above me so long as I didn't screw up. When I did exceptionally well on my sales numbers for sustained periods of time, he was the one that wrote up commendations and sent them up the pipe, and he'd tell the assistant managers that had to moonlight for the regulars from time to time that they'd get good sales numbers when I was on the job. The happy-cicle that Obtuse described was our situation.

The other guy, the assistant manager, constantly made a point of asserting his position relative to mine on the chain of command. During our frequent 30 minute-2 hour lapses in business, he would search for jobs for me to do just so I didn't appear to be standing around. If I wandered on a circuit around the store looking like I was trying to look for stuff that was out of place he would forget that I existed, but if I picked up a magazine or, heavens forbid, started up a game on a demo machine, he would scramble for some tucked-away archive box of ancient Game Boy games for me to realphabetize. I respected his right as my supervisor to make me do that sort of thing...after all, it was company time and I was being paid to spend it working, not playing. Still, the thoughts of how satisfied and indeed happy I was with my job were knocked down a few rungs whenever I saw he and I on the same schedule time.

When school started up and the job got inconvenient, I stayed onboard...until the store manager got promoted up to a busier store and the assistant inherited the supreme command of the store I was working it and the extended load of hours that came with it. I politely gave my two week notice of resignation. I was very good at my job and did it happily for mere nickles above minimum wage, and I realize I was an asset to the store. The moral of the story that I taught myself for when I found myself in a management position was that it doesn't hurt to give your workers a few bonuses that you don't absolutely have to if they're motivated and don't need a kick in the ass.

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Cynthetiq

It's not because I don't agree with what you say. It's because you aren't ADDING any reality to the conversation. You are only speaking about an idealism that's not ever going to happen. I agree with you that it would be best, but it's unfortunately not ever going to happen because that's the nature of paying wages to do a job.

As I was walking to work today I saw something that made me think about this thread. I walked past a BMW Roadside Assistance vehicle with a man hunched over the rear wheel replacing a flat tire in the gutter of the sidewalk. The BMW owner was standing by the roadside talking on their cellphone. Traffic at the base of the Williamsburg Bridge in NYC is nothing to sneeze at it's noisy, congested, lots of pollution.. it's shitty working conditions.

This man has to drive from stranded driver to driver and do something that the driver doesn't want to or cannot do. People are willing to pay for service, and they have every right to get that service they paid for. That person changing the wheel he doesn't do a good job, thus the person paying for the service doesn't get what they paid for and they complain that the service isn't worth the price etc. We all complain at one point in time or another about bad service...

I would love for there to be those shoulds in the world, they SHOULD let you have fun, they SHOULD give you more than a 2% raise, etc. etc. etc. but welcome to the real world, it's not the way it is. I'm not saying that one should not strive to bring awareness or change, but to just point and wag your finger without constructive methods or experience to add to this and other discussions is why you've earned the ignore spot.

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Cynthetiq

That's very correct.

I worked on a retention program to keep our technical people at the office. We had stressful jobs, and there was lots of people jumping ship to run to dot com companies. When other companies were losing people left and right, we were able to keep people on for 3-5 years, totally unheard of during that time. All due to retention programs of creating a good enjoyable work environment. (Notice I did not say fun.)

We already had good benefits, good salaries and bonuses.

What did we do to make it enjoyable?

I created a bonus based on knowledge. I called it the $5,000 book report. Basically I convinced upper management that technical people learn on their own as a hobby and habit. They don't ever see any compensation for that, they buy the hardware, they buy the books, software, and they invest the personal time. They just had to document how they learned the technology and how they applied it at the office over the course of 6 months. If they were awarded the bonus it was given out as a 3% merit increase, and a 3% cash award.

We had LAN parties even before there were such things called LAN parties. Sometimes in the middle of a work day when it was slow we'd all fire up another PC and play Duke Nukem across the network. Sometimes we'd not even go home staying until 11pm playing hooting and hollaring.

Once in a while, the managers would get together and take everyone out for dinner and drinks. Sometimes not paid for by the company but from our OWN pockets and we'd let the teams know when it was corporate or when it was personal.

I created mentoring programs for them to learn from more senior technical people in other groups to help great career growth paths.

I also let the senior technical people mentor people on the helpdesk to help create workers that I could eventually promote

I partenered with other managers in other departments to give them some of my team members 2-3 days a week so that my team members would get exposure to different parts of the technologies like the server and network teams so that they could gain experience and exposure. A few of them eventually got hired when openings became available.

Once in a while we'd have pizza for lunch.

Once in a while we'd have afternoon make a sundae snacks.

Every 3 months we did salary surveys and every 6 months we adjusted salaries to keep up with market rates.

I got tuition reimbursement for gettting MSCE/CNA certifications. Most companies would never do that because you'd need to go to an accreditted university.

We'd go to parties with music and hollywood stars that usually only production people would get invited to.

Sounds great huh? Sounds like people had lots of fun?

While we still had almost ZERO turn over for close to 5 years, people still complained about the bonus, "Why can't they just give it to us..."

People still complained about the long hours. Sometimes we'd work from 9am until 11pm because that's what the studios required of us. Sometimes we'd have to travel and work 20 hour days for 3 weeks straight...because that's what it takes to make TV shows.

I had to fire a few people because they didn't want to work, they just wanted to sit a their desks chatting on the phone with their friends surfing the web, or they came in late all the time. I had to write people up for using more then their alloted vacation, personal and sick days because they wanted to take off 1.5 months to go on a long trip or just hang out at home.

I had another guy fake disabilty for 6 months until I proved that he wasn't as injured as he was saying. He eventually left because we put him on modified desk duty instead of walking around in the field. He just wanted to sit at home and collect money.

I managed 15 people and of those 15 people, 15 of them would love to work for me again. They would do whatever it was that I asked of them because they knew that I would never ask them to do something that I was not willing to do myself first. I worked alongside them shoulder to shoulder. While I think I had a wonderful team that was able to accomplish amazing things, of those 15 I'd only pick 9 of them.

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slimshaydee

I fully understand where you are coming from... yes in the real world my little 'idealism' is not in practice, but that wasn't my point. My point is that as a manager this guy should undertake a few little things to help motivate his staff. It's up to the managers to motivate their staff to do a good job. Money is not the only way to get someone to do work. A few little things to make the job a little more interesting or challenging can go a long way to motivating someone to do a good job. Yes there are people out there who will do the bare minimum to get by, and who dont give a flying fark about their jobs, but it's up to the interviewers to screen out these people to ensure that only the best for the job are hired.

Cynthetiq

We have a rigorous hiring process here. I even got my team members to be part of the process allowing them to do the 2nd or technical interviews so that they had input as to whether the person was competent or not.

Interviewees potentially met with 4-6 people not including the head hunter pre screening process. It helped weed out a few people I'm sure, but as you can see from my previous post about the incentives I helped create, there were still people who didn't want to work very hard or at least tried to get away with as much as they can.

That's the original poster docbungle's intent/rant, that there's those people exist. You just chimed in blaming him being a bad manager without a nod to the fact that what he was expressing and feeling does have some merit, just touting idealisms.

Bustello

What do you expect for a crappy salary?

docbungle

You obviously haven't been paying attention.

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HomerSimpson

i am 17, and i am a manager for a building site now. I worked since i was 15 on £10 a day working over 14 hrs a day.Yea i didnt work full weeks a few time. not turning up now and then.But for that reason was the wages. Try giving teenagers real wages that all the other wokers get...u will find decent help then.When my wages went up as same as every1 elses i worked every day not missing a day. Now look where i am. Dont do much now but ppl do alot of work for me. muhahaha

ShaniFaye

I might suggest you read the ENTIRE thread before you make comments like that...because all that statement does is show you didnt. That has already been addressed.

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water_boy1999

I am glad I found this thread. I have enjoyed reading it.

Slim, I AM a business management major. I can quote Peter Drucker's theory of management till I am blue in the face. I can tell you how Maslow's Hierarchy ends in an individual's self actualization. I can mold a scanario using quantatative mathematics analysis to explain the statistical proof of many business decisions today. In addition, I have been in the staffing industry since I graduated and I have been through more training classes, sales classes, and extended learning classes than one should EVER have to go through.

With that, I can tell you that there is a general trend in the youth of today and a generalization that they do not have the same work ethic that we had just a short decade ago. This is not ALL teens, but it is a recognized trend in society today. You go into most retail environments nowadays and what do you see? I see a bunch of teens sitting by the register, talking to one another while a customer looks impatiently around the place for some assistence. I seldom hear or see a teenager with actual sales training anymore. I walk into FootLocker (where I used to work years ago) and I am not greeted like I was trained to do so long ago. I notice lazy retail associates because they can not associate the amount of money they are making with the quality of work they are providing. As has been said in a previous post, you can't get the fun and rewards in a job if you are not working to earn it. You can't expect young workers to come into the working world and make as much as seasoned professionals. They are in retail jobs, restaurant jobs, and other low paying jobs because these are the opportunities society has put forth to enable our youth to gain some work experience. In my current career, I hear on a daily basis, someone didn't show up for work at one of my clients. No calls, no notice, nothing. You can't blame this on management. You have to look at the trends of hy the quality of work has gone downhill over the past few years.

And again, this is not every young person entering the workplace, but a generalization. I feel that teens today are lazier. I think that they have more money, technology and options available that we did not have and this has made them look at the workforce differently than we did.

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Rodney

I must differ with you there. Business didn't sit down and say, "Let's make low-paying jobs for young people to learn the ropes of the world of work." What has really happened, especially with the advent of mechanisation and automation even in the fast-food workplace and other service venues, is that they've tried to make the jobs simpler so that low-wage children can do the work with moderately little training. Scanners in supermarkets replaced career clerks with superior ten-key skills with sullen teenagers.

Salespeople in clothing stores used to be very knowledgeable. But with the rise of discount clothing stores and the need for low prices and high volume with low profit margin, the retail professionals of yore have been giving way self-serve stories with young help that is trained only to use the registers and stock shelves. Again, the idea is to restructure jobs so that expensive, experience people are not necessary, and so that low-wage youngsters can be employed in their stead. And of course the service is crappy and so is the work ethic, because their jobs are very mechanical and structured.

What I would say to business is that a lot of people _will_ pay a little more for good service. And if you want to give good service, hire whoever proves that they can fill the bill. At a good price. The most consistly good restaurant that I go to, a very popular breakfast/lunch place, has a mainly middle-aged wait-staff of seasoned pros, with a sprinkling of young people who they're hired in from outside and who can make the grade. I pay mostly a buck more for meals here than elsewhere, but the food and service are always superb. Of course the owner is out on the floor most every moment of every day.

And there's a local supermarket that _still_ has old-fashioned registers and hires mainly younger people as cashiers. They're mainly great at what they do, and at customer service, and most tend to stay around for years. Must be the good wages. There are always a few who come and go in a month or so -- the ones who don't measure up.

And there's a local lighting store than hires college students for $10 an hour plus commission. It's a great job, a lot to learn. The problem is, you -have- to learn, or die. I remember going up to a young clerk who was obviously studying product sheets between waiting on customers and I asked him how he liked it. "It's fine," he moaned, "but there's so much to learn!" But he _was_ learning it.

So I say, screw giving young workers "a chance" with a low-wage job. Hold them to a high standard and pay them for it; if they don't meet it, can 'em. Throw 'em right into the fire and burn out the dross to leave the diamonds. I just don't accept training substandard youngsters as an excuse for paying low wages. Taken at face value, it's coddling; looked at more cynically, it's just an excuse to pay low wages.

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Redjake

I completely agree with DocBungle, which is the sad part. I am an excellent employee, and have no problem admitting it. But most of my peers aren't. I am 21 now, but I've been working since I was 15, and yes, DocBungle is correct. Most of the people my age at the time (15-18 or so) just didn't give a fuck. I gave a shit because I like to be a nice person, not necessarily because of a raise or anything. And a lot of people this day and age that are young just don't care about being nice or getting the job done at all. It's true....


The only solution I've found is to bring somebody like me into the picture and verbally abuse the workers until they realize they suck <b>that damn bad.</b> It promotes competition in the workplace, and before you know, the people around you are working hard to show you that they can do just as good of a job if not better than the "perfect employee Redjake."

It works.

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water_boy1999

So, do you get two salaries? One for you, one for your ego?

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Redjake

Definitely. And the ego gets time and a half!


Seriously though, it's pathetic how many people in their teens just don't care. I am a dying breed.


I am going to work hard at every job I have. Because I want the world, chico, and everything in it.

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heccubusiv

Really sounds like you are hiring the wrong teen workers. From experience in my life the better workers had the better jobs. A young worker like me working on my doctorate am looking for a certain type of job. So there may be a lot of good young workers but they are not looking for your certain field.

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archer

Slim, since you're so happy to sling shit at others, I have three questions for you:

1. Have YOU ever studied management?
2. Have you ever worked in management?
3. Have you ever worked at all?

As for you assertions that it's the managers job to motivate staff, I say BULLSHIT, managers are there to organise the running of the business. If I catch a taxi, am I expected to motivate the driver to do his job well? NO, the driver does the job, I pay money, which is exactly what is happening when someone is hired by a company. Sure, politeness dictates that I shouldn't act like a complete asshat during the drive, same goes for any workplace.
And yes, I do believe that workplaces should be pleasant environments, but you can't expect it to be a fucking theme park.

Oh, as for Richard Branson, he can't motivate everyone. Virgin has a lot of downright shitty, and incompetent workers, just like most large organisations. Also, their managers responsible for hiring cabin crew (for Virgin Blue) in Australia were a bunch of downright stupid arseholes who discriminated against anyone over 35, regardless of experience or proven track record.
He may have made a lot of money, but to my mind he's just a beard with an idiot hanging off it.

Ishmal

hey man hey,

FUCK YOU!!!

i'm a teen worker and have been in this job since i was 16... all my friends range from 16 to 19 and they all have steady jobs or apprentaships... none of us are slackers... dont you fucken dare try and classify the whole generation into that one word "slack" ... thats like me saying that all you old fucks are out dated and should get into retirment homes because your expectations are different from mine...

finally let me say i hope the Moderators dont ban me for this rant but if they do i'm only a rookie so i will create more accounts just to sledge you because it will be your fault that i get banned...

fuck you doc, fuck you.

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shakran

Yup. That sure strengthens your argument.

Ishmal

LOL... My bad about that...

but his comments REALLY pissed me off.

i'll try be more diplomatic in future posts.

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